MGS Rant

It also came out...how many years ago? If you were expecting current gen level production values from a PS1 game then you were bound to be disappointed. Silent-Hal

note: i didn't complain about the graphics nor did i complain about cinematics...I complained about story, gameplay, and character naming....all of which could have been more thoughtful and well crafted which is obviously something that older gen games were capable of.....for god sakes super mario bros. on snes has a lot better gameplay than mgs 1 does!

[QUOTE="Silent-Hal"]It also came out...how many years ago? If you were expecting current gen level production values from a PS1 game then you were bound to be disappointed. P08C

note: i didn't complain about the graphics nor did i complain about cinematics...I complained about story, gameplay, and character naming....all of which could have been more thoughtful and well crafted which is obviously something that older gen games were capable of.....for god sakes super mario bros. on snes has a lot better gameplay than mgs 1 does!

MGS was a revolutionary game when it came out, both in terms of how its story was presented and in its gameplay. The Metal Gear series were the first games to introduce stealth action to the masses. You playing it 10 years later and not liking it will not change that, games progress and the bar is raised to a higher standard but back in the day MGS was one of the best.

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[QUOTE="Silent-Hal"]It also came out...how many years ago? If you were expecting current gen level production values from a PS1 game then you were bound to be disappointed. Silent-Hal

note: i didn't complain about the graphics nor did i complain about cinematics...I complained about story, gameplay, and character naming....all of which could have been more thoughtful and well crafted which is obviously something that older gen games were capable of.....for god sakes super mario bros. on snes has a lot better gameplay than mgs 1 does!

MGS was a revolutionary game when it came out, both in terms of how its story was presented and in its gameplay. The Metal Gear series were the first games to introduce stealth action to the masses. You playing it 10 years later and not liking it will not change that, games progress and the bar is raised to a higher standard but back in the day MGS was one of the best.

i can firmly say that if i were to play this game when it first game out i would hate it more then than i do now, i can appreciate the effort put into it and i can appreciate the concept but even for a ps1 game there are so many absolutely ridiculous and pointless elements to the game that make me just scratch my head and just say "wtf?"

like most people will say though....you're entitled to your own opinion....which is an absolutely legitimate thing to say and if you like the game then great for you and if you thought it was pretty dumb when it first came out and that it's still pretty dumb now then good for you too, i just think it's got crappy game mechanics (even compared to a lot of ps1 games) and an extremely cheesy story and even more cheesy names and voice overs (yes i do understand that they are 2 generations old but even star fox had better voice overs!)

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[QUOTE="Silent-Hal"]It also came out...how many years ago? If you were expecting current gen level production values from a PS1 game then you were bound to be disappointed. P08C

note: i didn't complain about the graphics nor did i complain about cinematics...I complained about story, gameplay, and character naming....all of which could have been more thoughtful and well crafted which is obviously something that older gen games were capable of.....for god sakes super mario bros. on snes has a lot better gameplay than mgs 1 does!

MGS was a revolutionary game when it came out, both in terms of how its story was presented and in its gameplay. The Metal Gear series were the first games to introduce stealth action to the masses. You playing it 10 years later and not liking it will not change that, games progress and the bar is raised to a higher standard but back in the day MGS was one of the best.

i can firmly say that if i were to play this game when it first game out i would hate it more then than i do now, i can appreciate the effort put into it and i can appreciate the concept but even for a ps1 game there are so many absolutely ridiculous and pointless elements to the game that make me just scratch my head and just say "wtf?"

like most people will say though....you're entitled to your own opinion....which is an absolutely legitimate thing to say and if you like the game then great for you and if you thought it was pretty dumb when it first came out and that it's still pretty dumb now then good for you too, i just think it's got crappy game mechanics (even compared to a lot of ps1 games) and an extremely cheesy story and even more cheesy names and voice overs (yes i do understand that they are 2 generations old but even star fox had better voice overs!)

it's your own oppinion and you have the right to it...

in MY oppinion you're probably trolling and are just complaining because you couldn't beat the game :)

see what i did here?? :P

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[QUOTE="Silent-Hal"]It also came out...how many years ago? If you were expecting current gen level production values from a PS1 game then you were bound to be disappointed. ginraisama

note: i didn't complain about the graphics nor did i complain about cinematics...I complained about story, gameplay, and character naming....all of which could have been more thoughtful and well crafted which is obviously something that older gen games were capable of.....for god sakes super mario bros. on snes has a lot better gameplay than mgs 1 does!

MGS was a revolutionary game when it came out, both in terms of how its story was presented and in its gameplay. The Metal Gear series were the first games to introduce stealth action to the masses. You playing it 10 years later and not liking it will not change that, games progress and the bar is raised to a higher standard but back in the day MGS was one of the best.

i can firmly say that if i were to play this game when it first game out i would hate it more then than i do now, i can appreciate the effort put into it and i can appreciate the concept but even for a ps1 game there are so many absolutely ridiculous and pointless elements to the game that make me just scratch my head and just say "wtf?"

like most people will say though....you're entitled to your own opinion....which is an absolutely legitimate thing to say and if you like the game then great for you and if you thought it was pretty dumb when it first came out and that it's still pretty dumb now then good for you too, i just think it's got crappy game mechanics (even compared to a lot of ps1 games) and an extremely cheesy story and even more cheesy names and voice overs (yes i do understand that they are 2 generations old but even star fox had better voice overs!)

it's your own oppinion and you have the right to it...

in MY oppinion you're probably trolling and are just complaining because you couldn't beat the game :)

see what i did here?? :P

trolling huh? is that your response to somebody who starts to diss on a game that is near and dear to your heart? and no i haven't beat the game yet i just took a break from it to tell you all how much it sucks before i go back to playing it some more.....you guys should feel privelaged that i hold your opinions about video games highly enough that i am willing to stomach througn this whole game without dropping it altogether. LOL, trolling? whatever you say man....

Wait, I just woke up. Is it time to argue over MGS1 again? Let's throw in Gran Turismo 1 and Pac Man while we're at it.

Wait, I just woke up. Is it time to argue over MGS1 again? Let's throw in Gran Turismo 1 and Pac Man while we're at it.

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you didn't get the memo?

[QUOTE="Silent-Hal"]It also came out...how many years ago? If you were expecting current gen level production values from a PS1 game then you were bound to be disappointed. P08C

note: i didn't complain about the graphics nor did i complain about cinematics...I complained about story, gameplay, and character naming....all of which could have been more thoughtful and well crafted which is obviously something that older gen games were capable of.....for god sakes super mario bros. on snes has a lot better gameplay than mgs 1 does!

This game came out almost 10 years ago. Whether it be gameplay, graphics, or whatever, you cant expect the MGS to live up to your standards now. When MGS came out, it was the cream of the crop. The people who bought this game loved it. EGM even gave this game a perfect 10. Something that was unheard of in that time. The only other game to recieve a 10 was Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time and I recall vividly that they reviewed both of these games in the same issue of EGM. Now, that's quite a feat. Even me, an MGS fan who loved MGS back then, probably wouldnt enjoy it as much now, because my standards are a lot higher. I'm just not going to enjoy it or like it as much based on what I expect of games, today. Try Metal Gear Solid 2. It's a lot better than MGS, imo. And MGS3 is a great follow-up as well.

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[QUOTE="Silent-Hal"]It also came out...how many years ago? If you were expecting current gen level production values from a PS1 game then you were bound to be disappointed. Elann2008

note: i didn't complain about the graphics nor did i complain about cinematics...I complained about story, gameplay, and character naming....all of which could have been more thoughtful and well crafted which is obviously something that older gen games were capable of.....for god sakes super mario bros. on snes has a lot better gameplay than mgs 1 does!

This game came out almost 10 years ago. Whether it be gameplay, graphics, or whatever, you cant expect the MGS to live up to your standards now. When MGS came out, it was the cream of the crop. The people who bought this game loved it. EGM even gave this game a perfect 10. Something that was unheard of in that time. The only other game to recieve a 10 was Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time and I recall vividly that they reviewed both of these games in the same issue of EGM. Now, that's quite a feat. Even me, an MGS fan who loved MGS back then, probably wouldnt enjoy it as much now, because my standards are a lot higher. I'm just not going to enjoy it or like it as much based on what I expect of games, today. Try Metal Gear Solid 2. It's a lot better than MGS, imo. And MGS3 is a great follow-up as well.

hey you get an A+ for actually having a civil answer that doesn't seem to flame me for the sole reason of me dissing on a game that most people enjoy! Thanks man! Definitely...i've already tried 2 and played it all the way up until you play start as raiden.........it was pretty awesome and i heard three kicks ass. Ijust want to finish this one because it sets up the next 2 and because i am taking everybody's word for it that it's an awesome game.

so i just beat the ninja for the first time......it was pretty epic ;)P08C

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[QUOTE="Silent-Hal"]It also came out...how many years ago? If you were expecting current gen level production values from a PS1 game then you were bound to be disappointed. P08C

note: i didn't complain about the graphics nor did i complain about cinematics...I complained about story, gameplay, and character naming....all of which could have been more thoughtful and well crafted which is obviously something that older gen games were capable of.....for god sakes super mario bros. on snes has a lot better gameplay than mgs 1 does!

This game came out almost 10 years ago. Whether it be gameplay, graphics, or whatever, you cant expect the MGS to live up to your standards now. When MGS came out, it was the cream of the crop. The people who bought this game loved it. EGM even gave this game a perfect 10. Something that was unheard of in that time. The only other game to recieve a 10 was Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time and I recall vividly that they reviewed both of these games in the same issue of EGM. Now, that's quite a feat. Even me, an MGS fan who loved MGS back then, probably wouldnt enjoy it as much now, because my standards are a lot higher. I'm just not going to enjoy it or like it as much based on what I expect of games, today. Try Metal Gear Solid 2. It's a lot better than MGS, imo. And MGS3 is a great follow-up as well.

hey you get an A+ for actually having a civil answer that doesn't seem to flame me for the sole reason of me dissing on a game that most people enjoy! Thanks man! Definitely...i've already tried 2 and played it all the way up until you play start as raiden.........it was pretty awesome and i heard three kicks ass. Ijust want to finish this one because it sets up the next 2 and because i am taking everybody's word for it that it's an awesome game.

No problem. ;) MGS3 definitely kicks ass, but out of the three, my favorite would be MGS2. Enjoy, it's going to be epic. :)

[QUOTE="P08C"]so i just beat the ninja for the first time......it was pretty epic ;)FlemmingM

yeah dude, the whole cut-scene after i beat the ninja/gray fox was pretty cool and the story is getting pretty good and otacon is a pretty cool character but my main complaint is the top down view.....i think it was a pretty poor choice on the developer's part. what i think would be cooler would be a first person view and when you hug up against the walls and stuff it should switch to a third person face on view so you can see around the corners

at least assassin's creed has good gameplay and at least in assassin's creed you're not completely oblivious to what's in front of you.........assassin's creeds flaw was lack of story and repetitive gameplay.....anyway, you can read my review on that gameP08C

So which one is it, buddy. :lol:

[QUOTE="P08C"]at least assassin's creed has good gameplay and at least in assassin's creed you're not completely oblivious to what's in front of you.........assassin's creeds flaw was lack of story and repetitive gameplay.....anyway, you can read my review on that gameRMANPOWER

So which one is it, buddy. :lol:

how about i rephrase myself........assassin's creed has good GAMEPLAY MECHANICS but the story aspect of the gameplay was too repetitive....how's that....did i appease you mister analyzer of text? how about you use your wonderful analytical skills to be a reporter for cnn or something and tear apart politicians' arguments and stuff......anyway......yeah, have fun sir!

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[QUOTE="P08C"]at least assassin's creed has good gameplay and at least in assassin's creed you're not completely oblivious to what's in front of you.........assassin's creeds flaw was lack of story and repetitive gameplay.....anyway, you can read my review on that gameP08C

So which one is it, buddy. :lol:

how about i rephrase myself........assassin's creed has good GAMEPLAY MECHANICS but the story aspect of the gameplay was too repetitive....how's that....did i appease you mister analyzer of text? how about you use your wonderful analytical skills to be a reporter for cnn or something and tear apart politicians' arguments and stuff......anyway......yeah, have fun sir!

Did you forget to take your pills, I just asked a simple question on what you meant.

Next time relook over what you say because it makes you sound bad.

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[QUOTE="P08C"]at least assassin's creed has good gameplay and at least in assassin's creed you're not completely oblivious to what's in front of you.........assassin's creeds flaw was lack of story and repetitive gameplay.....anyway, you can read my review on that gameRMANPOWER

So which one is it, buddy. :lol:

how about i rephrase myself........assassin's creed has good GAMEPLAY MECHANICS but the story aspect of the gameplay was too repetitive....how's that....did i appease you mister analyzer of text? how about you use your wonderful analytical skills to be a reporter for cnn or something and tear apart politicians' arguments and stuff......anyway......yeah, have fun sir!

Did you forget to take your pills, I just asked a simple question on what you meant.

Next time relook over what you say because it makes you sound bad.

the fact that the only post you could reply to was an off-topic post rather than adding something worthwhile to my thread makes you look bad

man could you ease on the cliche "smart hostile rebuttal which drives attention away from my stupid post and attempts to take down the person who found the problem", its like nazis trying to say, "let me rephrase that we HElPED regain jobs for common germans by FIRING the jews "... (preparing to be flamed)0800_vaughan

alright man, i'm done with that, i'll just ignore all the bad posts

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[QUOTE="P08C"]at least assassin's creed has good gameplay and at least in assassin's creed you're not completely oblivious to what's in front of you.........assassin's creeds flaw was lack of story and repetitive gameplay.....anyway, you can read my review on that gameP08C

So which one is it, buddy. :lol:

how about i rephrase myself........assassin's creed has good GAMEPLAY MECHANICS but the story aspect of the gameplay was too repetitive....how's that....did i appease you mister analyzer of text? how about you use your wonderful analytical skills to be a reporter for cnn or something and tear apart politicians' arguments and stuff......anyway......yeah, have fun sir!

Did you forget to take your pills, I just asked a simple question on what you meant.

Next time relook over what you say because it makes you sound bad.

the fact that the only post you could reply to was an off-topic post rather than adding something worthwhile to my thread makes you look bad

We could battle it back and forth talking ish to eachother, but the fact remains that you made a goof and I pointed it out. It's nothing to get into a "fight" about, I just thought it was funny you said one thing, then you go into saying another thing.

good, why didnt you do that in the first place, back to topic, mgs is a TACTICAL espionage action game as stated on the game box its not supposed to be easy or convienient, its a challenge (tactics) you have to infiltrate the enemy base (espionage), then you have to blow sh*t up (action) and these three themes are what make it such a great game, unlike most games that lose some of their traits to coadhere to the times, and that makes a crap game. mgs is practically the only game that uses its theme in every game, tactics to infiltrate, espionage to take down the enemy and action to keep the story fresh, and for fun. mgs therefore = fun. and as YOU said its all up to your tastes...0800_vaughan

i've never played syphon filter before but isn't it kind of the same thing....i know it came out after MGS....but what is it like in comparison to MGS....mechanics and story wise?

also, i think that if the top down view was different the devs could've added a different element to the gameplay to keep it just as challenging.....i just can't stand not being able to see in front of me ESPEICALLY WHEN A BIG ASS M1 TANK IS POINTING IT'S FREAKING CANNON AT ME! I dunno maybe snake is a blind savant tactical genius

the view is a problem but then again how many people have put up with it and decided that this game was a revolution for its time, im sure that if people with about ten years more gaming experience than us say that the game is good then who are we to say that something so trivial as a view point makes a game "unfunable"... the trick is to quickly survey the area first person then use that info to stage your attack just like real warfare. annoying but true, just wait till mgs 2 and 3, first person reveals so many easter eggs it aint funny, trust me youll learn to love easter eggs in mgs more than any other game. i can name nearly every one of them (mgs2 and 3, havent played 1 in years).

the view is a problem but then again how many people have put up with it and decided that this game was a revolution for its time, im sure that if people with about ten years more gaming experience than us say that the game is good then who are we to say that something so trivial as a view point makes a game "unfunable"... the trick is to quickly survey the area first person then use that info to stage your attack just like real warfare. annoying but true, just wait till mgs 2 and 3, first person reveals so many easter eggs it aint funny, trust me youll learn to love easter eggs in mgs more than any other game. i can name nearly every one of them (mgs2 and 3, havent played 1 in years).

0800_vaughan

i think i've been playing video games long enough to have an informed opinion. i've been playing since atari which i played for my first time when i was thee or four and now i'm 21. and i really don't care if other people say that it was great or revolutionary, they can have their own opinions and i can understand why they have those opinions because they are well founded opinions i just have my own certain preference that i was stating here that's all. i'm sure it's a worthwhile game and i;m sure i'll find that out even more as i play more but now it's time for bed because i'm tired as hell and just for kicks i'll make a new thread tommorow night and ley y'all know where i'm at in the game and tell you guys what i think and such....whether or not you are interested i'll post it for anybody to read that wants to read.....anyway have a good night/good morning guys! and thanks to all you who made good posts....i definitely wouldn't be thanking myself here!

[QUOTE="0800_vaughan"]good, why didnt you do that in the first place, back to topic, mgs is a TACTICAL espionage action game as stated on the game box its not supposed to be easy or convienient, its a challenge (tactics) you have to infiltrate the enemy base (espionage), then you have to blow sh*t up (action) and these three themes are what make it such a great game, unlike most games that lose some of their traits to coadhere to the times, and that makes a crap game. mgs is practically the only game that uses its theme in every game, tactics to infiltrate, espionage to take down the enemy and action to keep the story fresh, and for fun. mgs therefore = fun. and as YOU said its all up to your tastes...P08C

i've never played syphon filter before but isn't it kind of the same thing....i know it came out after MGS....but what is it like in comparison to MGS....mechanics and story wise?

also, i think that if the top down view was different the devs could've added a different element to the gameplay to keep it just as challenging.....i just can't stand not being able to see in front of me ESPEICALLY WHEN A BIG ASS M1 TANK IS POINTING IT'S FREAKING CANNON AT ME! I dunno maybe snake is a blind savant tactical genius

The M1 Tank was NOT hard. You can easily make it through that fight without getting touched. Chaff grenades are your best friend.

I think you should get MGSTTS if the controls are a big issue to you because in MGSTTS you have the option to use a FPM like the one used in MGS2.

Here goes a link so you can see what I'm talking about http://www.gamespot.com/pages/image_viewer/frame_lead.php?pid=589712&img=18

Well you have every right to give your opinion on the game, still if you have a GAMECUBE you can play MGS: The twin Snake like the poster above me said. It has the gameplay elements of MGS2 and you might like it.

That is if you have a GC to begin with, if not then carry playing this game till the end. The story gets interesting as you get deep into it.

I hope you enjoy it, if not then MGS2&3 will be worth playing, especially MGS3 it is my favorite.

i loved mgs 1 but i played twin snakes that i borrowed of my friend for the gamecube. updated mgs2 graphics and all. if you dont like the mgs1 plot you will probably hate 2 with a vengenance i love it. but 2 is so confusing in comparison you will have to think about the plot for a while after all to figure it out. 3 isnt really relevant to the plot of 2 so i never played it. if i was u if u dont like 1 dont play two cause its more of the same but better plot, graphics.

I think you should get MGSTTS if the controls are a big issue to you because in MGSTTS you have the option to use a FPM like the one used in MGS2.

Here goes a link so you can see what I'm talking about http://www.gamespot.com/pages/image_viewer/frame_lead.php?pid=589712&img=18

bluegender

BUT THAT GAME IS A OVER EXAGGERATED (sorry for the caps) and if he have a GC then i guess but the original is better..

I completed MGS1 a few months ago and despite its graphics I though it was very good. The story was great and you actually felt like you were fighting for something.

You found the tank bit hard? It was easy! Just wait for the guy on the machine gun to pop up and chuck a grenade.

btw, feel free to flame away....cause i'll say it....MGS (at least MGS 1) isn't that great of a game and to tell you the truth I have no idea how this game survived past the first one and became such a hyped title.....anyway number 1 is disappointing I hope number 2 is less cheesy and a little more thoughtfulP08C

I'll wait till you finished the second game, however i should add this.

Have you ever watched much older movies? So classics are still good, however even some of thebest ones have corny script to us and corny action scenes, because we are used to it now or because we are accustomed to something better? It's the same with videogames.

Also might I add have youever played Half Life? (not HL2, the old one)

Oh dude, first of all you have to remeber that its an old game. Think if you had got it back when it came out. It featured the smartest AI ever seen in a video game before, the view, the stealth, the weapons, the story, everything about it was revelotunary. You have to realise that without that game you would have none of the games you like today. MGS1 is my favourite game of all time. To say it is poorly designed is so rediculous its just not even funny. Also I never found it to be difficult, the key to mgs is that you have to know what to do, playing the game blind without straregy is just asking for trouble. In fact I found MGS1 too easy. I guess the only advice I can give is try to sneak around? The gameplay may not be what it used, to be, perhaps its a bit outdated nad requires more patience than the modern gamer is prepared to give, but there is no denying the fact that MGS was and still is a great series that changes the way we play video games for the better. the_new_neo

that may be so, but the gameplay still.....not fun........not fun at all.....splinter cell? kicks ass....old mgs games....not so much ass kicking....

[QUOTE="Silent-Hal"]It also came out...how many years ago? If you were expecting current gen level production values from a PS1 game then you were bound to be disappointed. P08C

note: i didn't complain about the graphics nor did i complain about cinematics...I complained about story, gameplay, and character naming....all of which could have been more thoughtful and well crafted which is obviously something that older gen games were capable of.....for god sakes super mario bros. on snes has a lot better gameplay than mgs 1 does!

exactly! you complained about design choices that were not frowned upon in 1998. after playing games that have improved upon that, you are so used to it that going back to play it as it was orignally got ou to think like that. otherwise, its just like saying "I hate how Mario can't fly" in the original mario brothers

Metal Gear had always one aspect regardless in which age it came out - outstanding and mature/political story with many twists. I personally believe Metal Gear Solid was the best in series with MGS 3 right behind it.

It's hard to expect ten years after that this generation of gamers who, like myself, have grown into much higher standards and expectation from our games to really appreciate MGS 1.

I bought it the day it was out, and that whole year no other game came close to it. However, looking back today at the game, all I can do is smile and remember the good times.

You will probably enjoy MGS 2 and especially love MGS 3 a lot more then MGS 1. And that's perfectly fine, as time moves on, so do our tastes.

One thing is for sure, MGS 4 and MGO are going to rock my world on June 12th for a long time. :)

You know, I'm a big believer of the whole "opinions can't be wrong", but you're wrong.

The design works well and it's a 10 year old game. L2MGS.