MGS Rant

at least assassin's creed has good gameplay and at least in assassin's creed you're not completely oblivious to what's in front of you.........assassin's creeds flaw was lack of story and repetitive gameplay.....anyway, you can read my review on that gameP08C

Don't be making rants about a game ur not good enough to beat and then covering it up by saying the story, graphics, gameplay sucks. Sure its ur opinion, but don't hide why you REALLY are making this rant.

[QUOTE="the_new_neo"]Oh dude, first of all you have to remeber that its an old game. Think if you had got it back when it came out. It featured the smartest AI ever seen in a video game before, the view, the stealth, the weapons, the story, everything about it was revelotunary. You have to realise that without that game you would have none of the games you like today. MGS1 is my favourite game of all time. To say it is poorly designed is so rediculous its just not even funny. Also I never found it to be difficult, the key to mgs is that you have to know what to do, playing the game blind without straregy is just asking for trouble. In fact I found MGS1 too easy. I guess the only advice I can give is try to sneak around? The gameplay may not be what it used, to be, perhaps its a bit outdated nad requires more patience than the modern gamer is prepared to give, but there is no denying the fact that MGS was and still is a great series that changes the way we play video games for the better. pillage05

that may be so, but the gameplay still.....not fun........not fun at all.....splinter cell? kicks ass....old mgs games....not so much ass kicking....

Its not fun for guys like you who have no patience and can't appreciate a good game. I don't mean to insult and I'm sure its just because your from another time or whatever but mgs is a hugely entertaining game. It has an involving story line, incredible realism and great gameplay. Splinter cell is just a knock off of mgs, shallow story and modern easy controls with little challenge. To compare it to the movie world I guess its like kids these days who can't appreciate the godfather trilogy saying they're too slow and whatever. Its the same principle.

Don't be making rants about a game ur not good enough to beat and then covering it up by saying the story, graphics, gameplay sucks. Sure its ur opinion, but don't hide why you REALLY are making this rant.

WR_Platinum

lol, you're funny.......

wow! i left this post alone when i went to bed at 5 a.m. and here i am at work at 1:11 and it's still alive....i must've really hit a nerve with a lot of you :) First of all can we drop the whole Assassin's Creed thing because it was not meant to be a major comparison for me because comparing the two games is like comparing apples to oranges.....although AC does have some element of stealth involved ;) anyway let's leave that alone! Next I beat the M1 EASILY it was an easy battle I was just complaining that it's stupid that you can't even see the giant ass tank right in front of you and if you take the time to go into FPS mode it blows you up or machines guns you down....it was an easy battle but that wasn't the point (for all you people that missed the point). Next, I am a pretty retro gamer and thus I always enjoy old school games, hell, I still enjoy punch out on the NES and even double dragon so OLD GEN STUFF DOES NOT BOTHER ME! Like I said a million times the gameplay mechanics for MGS1 are poor and that MANY GAMES BEFORE MGS1 HAVE BEETER GAMEPLAY MECHANICS. Yes I know the AI is great and I agree with that and didn't complain about that at all. I am not comlpaining because it is too hard because I love challenging games as there aren't enough challenging games out anymore I just think some better things could have been done with gameplay to make it a fun immersive challenge. THe top down view complaining destroy the immersiveness for me and thus makes a lot of the tasks very chore-like and only leaves me wanting to find out what happens next in the story rather than leaving wanting to actually play the game more. Anyway, I am extremely surprised that people are still posting and stuff and it's pretty cool to have this discussion with you guys!P08C

Ok, 1) please break large chunks of text like this up with paragraphs. It makes it easier for people to read and digest your point. Large 'wall of text' like this tend to get skipped over by people.

2) Would you list some of these games prior to MGS1 that you believe have better "gameplay mechanics". This is so we can get a feel for what you are basing your opinion on. Oh, and try to list some that are even somewhat remotely similar; otherwise people will flame for "why are you comparing _____ with MGS? They're nothing alike!"

I would write more, but I'm about to leave work.

clearly this guy is a complete moron- unless the entire world was wrong about mgs, including every review it got.ronniepage588

I wouldn't say entire world, but a vast majority of gamers.

Sorry poster but you don't get what i'm saying.

MGS1 game mechanics and gameplay are still good.

First of all the game is third person action stealth game. Forget the first person controls, I think they were added just for people who don't like 3rd personshooting, ie me. 3rd person shooters (gears included and gta) drive me insane. Having the the ability to switch to 1st person is a privlege and from what i understand MGS was the first if not one of the first to implement this in gaming.

How about a peek around a corner or duck under a divide- MGS. GeoW and Gta4 and many other games use this mechanic alot and people say they are the best. (see gametrailers review of gta4) So when you say the gameplay mechanics just don't work , yet you like old style game, I don't think you get what i mean. Even if that were true

MGS has a great

atmosphere

engagin storyline

humor

thoughtfulness

great boss battles

and was the innovative game many devs copy off of even to this day.

I appreciate your opinion, but i respectfully disagree, and so do alot of other people.

i mean- for real- he goes on about every time i go into fps mode i die omg omg omg this game sucks......dude the whole top down thing was implemented to make things more difficult so that you could simply see was coming right around the corner and provider better gameplay because at the time the technology wasnt good enough to have smart enough enemy AI so that if you played in FPS mode you would dominate the entire game-

you make absolutely no sense- at one point you say -- the gameplay and the story telling only leave me wanting to know what happens next...........isn't that A GOOD THING YOU MORON!!!????

the game relied heavily on using a little something called STRATEGY..... you are completely dumb if you stood in front a tank and decided it should be okay to stand still and look at it in FPS mode- and you wnder why it kept blowing you up- the tank itself should never be hard to dodge- the whole point of mgs is to figure out a way around things by finding the enemies weakness and dodging their attacks. its a stealth game in the sense that you have to hide a lot?

the top down thing was eventually adressed in mgs3- but the truth is, mgs1 and 2 actually had very poor mechanical AI. the top down view evens the playing field between you and the enemies. it made the relatively small maps seem larger and made you remember the map layouts and locations easier to find. this was considered genius in a time when innovation was the number one thing in gaming. not 'do what everyone else has down in the past that works okay'

[QUOTE="ronniepage588"]clearly this guy is a complete moron- unless the entire world was wrong about mgs, including every review it got.RahKayne

I wouldn't say entire world, but a vast majority of gamers.

Sorry poster but you don't get what i'm saying.

MGS1 game mechanics and gameplay are still good.

First of all the game is third person action stealth game. Forget the first person controls, I think they were added just for people who don't like 3rd personshooting, ie me. 3rd person shooters (gears included and gta) drive me insane. Having the the ability to switch to 1st person is a privlege and from what i understand MGS was the first if not one of the first to implement this in gaming.

How about a peek around a corner or duck under a divide- MGS. GeoW and Gta4 and many other games use this mechanic alot and people say they are the best. (see gametrailers review of gta4) So when you say the gameplay mechanics just don't work , yet you like old style game, I don't think you get what i mean. Even if that were true

MGS has a great

atmosphere

engagin storyline

humor

thoughtfulness

great boss battles

and was the innovative game many devs copy off of even to this day.

I appreciate your opinion, but i respectfully disagree, and so do alot of other people.

yeah you nail it-

plus, isn't it sad that 10+ years after it came out- this guy is passing judgement on it?!?!

and to what you said- about not the world world praising it- its definitely true- even if people didn't really like the game- they were smart enough to acknowledge some of the huge leaps it took for the industry and overall it was definitely a positive addition to the gaming world.

[QUOTE="Silent-Hal"]It also came out...how many years ago? If you were expecting current gen level production values from a PS1 game then you were bound to be disappointed. P08C

note: i didn't complain about the graphics nor did i complain about cinematics...I complained about story, gameplay, and character naming....all of which could have been more thoughtful and well crafted which is obviously something that older gen games were capable of.....for god sakes super mario bros. on snes has a lot better gameplay than mgs 1 does!

LOL, you spent $30-$40 on this collection and you don't like the story?

Aghhhhh. Kids.:roll:

ok...first.....why are some people calling me a moron? I really don't understand why just because i am criticizing a game that EVERYONE likes because I don't PREFER the mechanics and I think that other things could have been done to make it a better game that I am a moron?!?!

.....to tell you the truth I think that anyone that says this game is easy and that it is an absolute breeze for them is full of crap and is just trying to sound like the high and mighty master gamer....well you're not so high and mighty and I am sure you died plenty of times on your first time through on MGS (btw I'm playing it on normal). So please stop lying to everyone and yourself and admit that the game was hard for you at certain points because YOU ARE NOT SPECIAL.

Lastly, I think it is an innovative game especially for its time and that I can understand why people enjoy it! It's definitely an interesting concept to say the least! Also, I would post a list of games that have better gameplay but you would all flame me because they're not in the same genre as MGS but when it comes to gameplay mechanics genre doesn't matter it's how the developers use the controls for the player to react to particular situations and the fact that YOU CAN'T SEE WHAT"S IN FRONT OF YOU IS ABSLUTELY RIDICULOUS!!!!!! I hated top-down view in GTA 1 and I still hate it today!

I thinks it's absoltuely hilarious that a lot of people are getting so pissed off because I am criticizing their beloved MGS and not conforming to what EVERYBODY thinks....it's funny that people call me a moron because of this because when it boils down to it that's the only reason you are getting so pissed off....it absolutely disheartens you and makes you feel angry that someone can actually say bad things about a classic game...well you know what MGS 1 isn't what it's cracked up to be and i'll throw this one out for the hell of it too Final Fantasy VII S-U-C-K-S! LOL!

I don't need to equip my flame shield because I am impervious to flame!

LOL, you spent $30-$40 on this collection and you don't like the story?

Aghhhhh. Kids.:roll:

email2003

LOL, actually i'm 21 not some stupid whiney forum punk but I enjoyed what I played of MGS 2 when I played a little bit of it, the mechanics are better than the first and the story was pretty intriguing and left me wanting to know what happened in the previous game....i'm not upset with my purchase one single bit it's just not the top game in my library right now that's all

[QUOTE="email2003"]

LOL, you spent $30-$40 on this collection and you don't like the story?

Aghhhhh. Kids.:roll:

P08C

LOL, actually i'm 21 not some stupid whiney forum punk but I enjoyed what I played of MGS 2 when I played a little bit of it, the mechanics are better than the first and the story was pretty intriguing and left me wanting to know what happened in the previous game....i'm not upset with my purchase one single bit it's just not the top game in my library right now that's all

Out of curiousity, what about the mechanics in MGS2 do you think is better? As far as I can understand from your posts so far, you mainly hated the overhead view in MGS1. If I remember correctly, MGS2 still has that same view/camera?

I grew up playing Atari and NES, so the top down view doesn't really bother me. In fact, I think it adds some nostalgia and a classic feeling to it. MGS1 is actually my favorite out of the 3, perhaps because of it's old school classic feeling.

EDIT: I didn't think it was an easy game. The toughest part for me was battling Metal Gear. The controls can be a bit flakey but it is a sign of the time, and nothing that makes me think any lesser of the game. Diazepam + Sniper Rifle = gameplay :D

I grew up playing Atari and NES, so the top down view doesn't really bother me. In fact, I think it adds some nostalgia and a classic feeling to it. MGS1 is actually my favorite out of the 3, perhaps because of it's old school classic feeling.

EDIT: I didn't think it was an easy game. The toughest part for me was battling Metal Gear. The controls can be a bit flakey but it is a sign of the time, and nothing that makes me think any lesser of the game. Diazepam + Sniper Rifle = gameplay :D

hopesfoll

Well, we have one person who has owned up, any other takers? Just admit it...it's a tough game!

[QUOTE="hopesfoll"]

I grew up playing Atari and NES, so the top down view doesn't really bother me. In fact, I think it adds some nostalgia and a classic feeling to it. MGS1 is actually my favorite out of the 3, perhaps because of it's old school classic feeling.

EDIT: I didn't think it was an easy game. The toughest part for me was battling Metal Gear. The controls can be a bit flakey but it is a sign of the time, and nothing that makes me think any lesser of the game. Diazepam + Sniper Rifle = gameplay :D

P08C

Well, we have one person who has owned up, any other takers? Just admit it...it's a tough game!

lol, yeah.. I had some fun boss fights where the first time or two I would die pretty quick, and I would continue and would then take the boss down real quick. Would take a couple times every now and then to figure out the system of some of the boss battles. They each have their own method of which to be beat. I've grown the mentality after playing games these last couple gens that I can just run in with guns blazing and take things out. It isn't so with MGS1, and I was often reminded of that when going back and later playing it.

[QUOTE="P08C"][QUOTE="hopesfoll"]

I grew up playing Atari and NES, so the top down view doesn't really bother me. In fact, I think it adds some nostalgia and a classic feeling to it. MGS1 is actually my favorite out of the 3, perhaps because of it's old school classic feeling.

EDIT: I didn't think it was an easy game. The toughest part for me was battling Metal Gear. The controls can be a bit flakey but it is a sign of the time, and nothing that makes me think any lesser of the game. Diazepam + Sniper Rifle = gameplay :D

hopesfoll

Well, we have one person who has owned up, any other takers? Just admit it...it's a tough game!

lol, yeah.. I had some fun boss fights where the first time or two I would die pretty quick, and I would continue and would then take the boss down real quick. Would take a couple times every now and then to figure out the system of some of the boss battles. They each have their own method of which to be beat. I've grown the mentality after playing games these last couple gens that I can just run in with guns blazing and take things out. It isn't so with MGS1, and I was often reminded of that when going back and later playing it.

yeah, i would assume that on most peoples' first time through they would've had to die at least once on some of the bosses in order to figure how to adjust their strategy to ebat that particular boss.

[QUOTE="hopesfoll"][QUOTE="P08C"][QUOTE="hopesfoll"]

I grew up playing Atari and NES, so the top down view doesn't really bother me. In fact, I think it adds some nostalgia and a classic feeling to it. MGS1 is actually my favorite out of the 3, perhaps because of it's old school classic feeling.

EDIT: I didn't think it was an easy game. The toughest part for me was battling Metal Gear. The controls can be a bit flakey but it is a sign of the time, and nothing that makes me think any lesser of the game. Diazepam + Sniper Rifle = gameplay :D

P08C

Well, we have one person who has owned up, any other takers? Just admit it...it's a tough game!

lol, yeah.. I had some fun boss fights where the first time or two I would die pretty quick, and I would continue and would then take the boss down real quick. Would take a couple times every now and then to figure out the system of some of the boss battles. They each have their own method of which to be beat. I've grown the mentality after playing games these last couple gens that I can just run in with guns blazing and take things out. It isn't so with MGS1, and I was often reminded of that when going back and later playing it.

yeah, i would assume that on most peoples' first time through they would've had to die at least once on some of the bosses in order to figure how to adjust their strategy to ebat that particular boss.

Yeah, unless they used a guide or walkthrough.

[QUOTE="P08C"][QUOTE="hopesfoll"][QUOTE="P08C"][QUOTE="hopesfoll"]

I grew up playing Atari and NES, so the top down view doesn't really bother me. In fact, I think it adds some nostalgia and a classic feeling to it. MGS1 is actually my favorite out of the 3, perhaps because of it's old school classic feeling.

EDIT: I didn't think it was an easy game. The toughest part for me was battling Metal Gear. The controls can be a bit flakey but it is a sign of the time, and nothing that makes me think any lesser of the game. Diazepam + Sniper Rifle = gameplay :D

hopesfoll

Well, we have one person who has owned up, any other takers? Just admit it...it's a tough game!

lol, yeah.. I had some fun boss fights where the first time or two I would die pretty quick, and I would continue and would then take the boss down real quick. Would take a couple times every now and then to figure out the system of some of the boss battles. They each have their own method of which to be beat. I've grown the mentality after playing games these last couple gens that I can just run in with guns blazing and take things out. It isn't so with MGS1, and I was often reminded of that when going back and later playing it.

yeah, i would assume that on most peoples' first time through they would've had to die at least once on some of the bosses in order to figure how to adjust their strategy to ebat that particular boss.

Yeah, unless they used a guide or walkthrough.

i think MGS is the kind of game where the whole fun is finding new strategies to get through different areas and actually using your brain, so yeah, i think guids would completely ruin the game for me

Okay, I'm going to try to break this down as much as possible so you can understand. The reason why people are getting annoyed is because you are insulting one of the greatest games of all time, supposedly because you don't think it compares to modern games, has a 'bad' camera angle and you don't like the character names. Do you understand how rediculous that sounds?

I'm not going to get into a heated debate but I will try to conclude this as best I can; games move on. You're trying to rate a game over 10 years old. To appreciate it, you have to imagine you were there, I'll set the scene: you have just played over 500 hours nonstop of a couple of final fantasys, tomb raider and of course; crash bandicoot. Along comes a guy called solid snake. Everything about this game was new and exciting, all the games you play now have more than likely incorporated aspects of mgs into the gameplay, which is probably why the original seems so bland and problem ridden to you.

I mean, of course your going to encounter problems; it was the first of its kind. and by the sounds of your posts you appear to be a more modern action orientated gamer, which is probably why a challenging game that requires a great deal of patience is so difficult for you and easy for you to put down. I'm probably not going to change your mind, but I hope I helped you to understand a liitle something about the history of games and why people are getting so annoyed. :) I mean its easy to insult a game that came out 10 years ago when your comparing it to the current games.

Okay, I'm going to try to break this down as much as possible so you can understand. The reason why people are getting annoyed is because you are insulting one of the greatest games of all time, supposedly because you don't think it compares to modern games, has a 'bad' camera angle and you don't like the character names. Do you understand how rediculous that sounds?

I'm not going to get into a heated debate but I will try to conclude this as best I can; games move on. 1.You're trying to rate a game over 10 years old. 2. To appreciate it, you have to imagine you were there, I'll set the scene: you have just played over 500 hours nonstop of a couple of final fantasys, tomb raider and of course; crash bandicoot. Along comes a guy called solid snake. Everything about this game was new and exciting, all the games you play now have more than likely incorporated aspects of mgs into the gameplay, which is probably why the original seems so bland and problem ridden to you.

I mean, of course your going to encounter problems; it was the first of its kind. and by the sounds of your posts 3. you appear to be a more modern action orientated gamer, which is probably why a 4. challenging game that requires a great deal of patience is so difficult for you and easy for you to put down. 5.I'm probably not going to change your mind, but I hope I helped you to understand a liitle something about the history of games and why people are getting so annoyed. :) I mean its easy to insult a game that came out 10 years ago when your comparing it to the current games.

the_new_neo

1. I am not insulting the game.....ok maybe a little but all of those insults were for the sake of humor (the whole solid snake/boner inuendo was supposed to be funny! hahaha)

2. Classic games should be timeless....if i sit down and play LoZ: OT I have no complaints whatsoever. I shouldn't have to put myself into another time period to enjoy a game (which i do enjoy MGS)

3. I actually prefer JRPGS and WRPGS as well as FPS

4. Actually I enjoy a good challenging game because too many games are way too easy these days and last night I played the game for about 5 hours or so.

5. I do understand the history of games as I have been gaming since atari

I think MGS is a god game just not a classic

[QUOTE="the_new_neo"]

Okay, I'm going to try to break this down as much as possible so you can understand. The reason why people are getting annoyed is because you are insulting one of the greatest games of all time, supposedly because you don't think it compares to modern games, has a 'bad' camera angle and you don't like the character names. Do you understand how rediculous that sounds?

I'm not going to get into a heated debate but I will try to conclude this as best I can; games move on. 1.You're trying to rate a game over 10 years old. 2. To appreciate it, you have to imagine you were there, I'll set the scene: you have just played over 500 hours nonstop of a couple of final fantasys, tomb raider and of course; crash bandicoot. Along comes a guy called solid snake. Everything about this game was new and exciting, all the games you play now have more than likely incorporated aspects of mgs into the gameplay, which is probably why the original seems so bland and problem ridden to you.

I mean, of course your going to encounter problems; it was the first of its kind. and by the sounds of your posts 3. you appear to be a more modern action orientated gamer, which is probably why a 4. challenging game that requires a great deal of patience is so difficult for you and easy for you to put down. 5.I'm probably not going to change your mind, but I hope I helped you to understand a liitle something about the history of games and why people are getting so annoyed. :) I mean its easy to insult a game that came out 10 years ago when your comparing it to the current games.

P08C

1. I am not insulting the game.....ok maybe a little but all of those insults were for the sake of humor (the whole solid snake/boner inuendo was supposed to be funny! hahaha)

2. Classic games should be timeless....if i sit down and play LoZ: OT I have no complaints whatsoever. I shouldn't have to put myself into another time period to enjoy a game (which i do enjoy MGS)

3. I actually prefer JRPGS and WRPGS as well as FPS

4. Actually I enjoy a good challenging game because too many games are way too easy these days and last night I played the game for about 5 hours or so.

5. I do understand the history of games as I have been gaming since atari

I think MGS is a god game just not a classic

How can it not be a classic? I'm sorry, I wasn't trying to make an argument but you pulled me in. If it wasn't a classic then why does it have such a strong response from it's fans when someone like you comes in and starts ragging on it? and concerning your example of a 'classic', if you had never played LoZ and decided to sit down 10 years later and pick up a copy I'm quite sure you might find a couple of complaints. The only reason you can't complain is because a sense of nostalgia comes flooding back to you and you can remember a time when the game was perfect. The same applies to MGS. and I'm sorry if I insulted you with my appearance of being condescending by trying to teach you a little something about video games but I assumed that if you had been gaming around the time of mgs, you would have picked one up.

.....to tell you the truth I think that anyone that says this game is easy and that it is an absolute breeze for them is full of crap and is just trying to sound like the high and mighty master gamer....well you're not so high and mighty and I am sure you died plenty of times on your first time through on MGS (btw I'm playing it on normal). So please stop lying to everyone and yourself and admit that the game was hard for you at certain points because YOU ARE NOT SPECIAL.P08C

You get offended for being called a moron, but now you are calling me a liar (even though I never called you a moron) First of all, for me, who played Tenchu: Stealth Assassin's, which was the only other game out with MGS that was about stealth, made MGS a breeze. Is not that the AI in Tenchu was any better, but it was a much harder game and a great way to get accustomed to the mechanics of MGS, which are similar. Second, I never said I didn't die at all. I died a few times, but never because the game was hard. If I died once in a boss, I would beat him in the next go.

Just because you find it hard, doesn't make a game hard. Just because I find it easy, doesn't make me a master. There are plenty of easy games out there that some people find hard. This is one of those easy games that can be hard to some people. Generalizations do make you sound like a moron, no offense.

[QUOTE="P08C"][QUOTE="the_new_neo"]

Okay, I'm going to try to break this down as much as possible so you can understand. The reason why people are getting annoyed is because you are insulting one of the greatest games of all time, supposedly because you don't think it compares to modern games, has a 'bad' camera angle and you don't like the character names. Do you understand how rediculous that sounds?

I'm not going to get into a heated debate but I will try to conclude this as best I can; games move on. 1.You're trying to rate a game over 10 years old. 2. To appreciate it, you have to imagine you were there, I'll set the scene: you have just played over 500 hours nonstop of a couple of final fantasys, tomb raider and of course; crash bandicoot. Along comes a guy called solid snake. Everything about this game was new and exciting, all the games you play now have more than likely incorporated aspects of mgs into the gameplay, which is probably why the original seems so bland and problem ridden to you.

I mean, of course your going to encounter problems; it was the first of its kind. and by the sounds of your posts 3. you appear to be a more modern action orientated gamer, which is probably why a 4. challenging game that requires a great deal of patience is so difficult for you and easy for you to put down. 5.I'm probably not going to change your mind, but I hope I helped you to understand a liitle something about the history of games and why people are getting so annoyed. :) I mean its easy to insult a game that came out 10 years ago when your comparing it to the current games.

the_new_neo

1. I am not insulting the game.....ok maybe a little but all of those insults were for the sake of humor (the whole solid snake/boner inuendo was supposed to be funny! hahaha)

2. Classic games should be timeless....if i sit down and play LoZ: OT I have no complaints whatsoever. I shouldn't have to put myself into another time period to enjoy a game (which i do enjoy MGS)

3. I actually prefer JRPGS and WRPGS as well as FPS

4. Actually I enjoy a good challenging game because too many games are way too easy these days and last night I played the game for about 5 hours or so.

5. I do understand the history of games as I have been gaming since atari

I think MGS is a god game just not a classic

How can it not be a classic? I'm sorry, I wasn't trying to make an argument but you pulled me in. If it wasn't a classic then why does it have such a strong response from it's fans when someone like you comes in and starts ragging on it? and concerning your example of a 'classic', if you had never played LoZ and decided to sit down 10 years later and pick up a copy I'm quite sure you might find a couple of complaints. The only reason you can't complain is because a sense of nostalgia comes flooding back to you and you can remember a time when the game was perfect. The same applies to MGS. and I'm sorry if I insulted you with my appearance of being condescending by trying to teach you a little something about video games but I assumed that if you had been gaming around the time of mgs, you would have picked one up.

Not trying to argue AT ALL just giving my personal viewpoint that's all....for me personalyl MGS isn't a classic and for me personally most of the original LoZ sucked ass (NES versions) so yeah, that's all I am just speaking from a personal standpoint that's all

[QUOTE="P08C"].....to tell you the truth I think that anyone that says this game is easy and that it is an absolute breeze for them is full of crap and is just trying to sound like the high and mighty master gamer....well you're not so high and mighty and I am sure you died plenty of times on your first time through on MGS (btw I'm playing it on normal). So please stop lying to everyone and yourself and admit that the game was hard for you at certain points because YOU ARE NOT SPECIAL.C-Himura

You get offended for being called a moron, but now you are calling me a liar (even though I never called you a moron) First of all, for me, who played Tenchu: Stealth Assassin's, which was the only other game out with MGS that was about stealth, made MGS a breeze. Is not that the AI in Tenchu was any better, but it was a much harder game and a great way to get accustomed to the mechanics of MGS, which are similar. Second, I never said I didn't die at all. I died a few times, but never because the game was hard. If I died once in a boss, I would beat him in the next go.

Just because you find it hard, doesn't make a game hard. Just because I find it easy, doesn't make me a master. There are plenty of easy games out there that some people find hard. This is one of those easy games that can be hard to some people. Generalizations do make you sound like a moron, no offense.

wow! i never called you a liar I called the guy with the gear/bolt/nut things in his avatar a liar. anyway, i'm speaking about my own personal preferences that's all and i would still beg to differ that this game was easy for you.......remember the onyl person i was directing my hostility before was the guy i mentioned above

[QUOTE="the_new_neo"][QUOTE="P08C"][QUOTE="the_new_neo"]

Okay, I'm going to try to break this down as much as possible so you can understand. The reason why people are getting annoyed is because you are insulting one of the greatest games of all time, supposedly because you don't think it compares to modern games, has a 'bad' camera angle and you don't like the character names. Do you understand how rediculous that sounds?

I'm not going to get into a heated debate but I will try to conclude this as best I can; games move on. 1.You're trying to rate a game over 10 years old. 2. To appreciate it, you have to imagine you were there, I'll set the scene: you have just played over 500 hours nonstop of a couple of final fantasys, tomb raider and of course; crash bandicoot. Along comes a guy called solid snake. Everything about this game was new and exciting, all the games you play now have more than likely incorporated aspects of mgs into the gameplay, which is probably why the original seems so bland and problem ridden to you.

I mean, of course your going to encounter problems; it was the first of its kind. and by the sounds of your posts 3. you appear to be a more modern action orientated gamer, which is probably why a 4. challenging game that requires a great deal of patience is so difficult for you and easy for you to put down. 5.I'm probably not going to change your mind, but I hope I helped you to understand a liitle something about the history of games and why people are getting so annoyed. :) I mean its easy to insult a game that came out 10 years ago when your comparing it to the current games.

P08C

1. I am not insulting the game.....ok maybe a little but all of those insults were for the sake of humor (the whole solid snake/boner inuendo was supposed to be funny! hahaha)

2. Classic games should be timeless....if i sit down and play LoZ: OT I have no complaints whatsoever. I shouldn't have to put myself into another time period to enjoy a game (which i do enjoy MGS)

3. I actually prefer JRPGS and WRPGS as well as FPS

4. Actually I enjoy a good challenging game because too many games are way too easy these days and last night I played the game for about 5 hours or so.

5. I do understand the history of games as I have been gaming since atari

I think MGS is a god game just not a classic

How can it not be a classic? I'm sorry, I wasn't trying to make an argument but you pulled me in. If it wasn't a classic then why does it have such a strong response from it's fans when someone like you comes in and starts ragging on it? and concerning your example of a 'classic', if you had never played LoZ and decided to sit down 10 years later and pick up a copy I'm quite sure you might find a couple of complaints. The only reason you can't complain is because a sense of nostalgia comes flooding back to you and you can remember a time when the game was perfect. The same applies to MGS. and I'm sorry if I insulted you with my appearance of being condescending by trying to teach you a little something about video games but I assumed that if you had been gaming around the time of mgs, you would have picked one up.

Not trying to argue AT ALL just giving my personal viewpoint that's all....for me personalyl MGS isn't a classic and for me personally most of the original LoZ sucked ass (NES versions) so yeah, that's all I am just speaking from a personal standpoint that's all

Thats fine. You are entitled to your opinion. I can accept that. Its just that the way your going about it is stating it as though it was fact, thats what people are getting annoyed about. Well, some people are just getting annoyed because you put the words 'not', 'good', and 'mgs' in the same sentence. lol, I've been there, once I made a thread about how video games are going too main stream using mgs4 as my prime example and was flamed so much it was unbelievable :P.

anyway...the whole point of this thread has been lost in all the mess so i'm just going to let it die.....have fun fanboysP08C

all i'm asking is for all you guys to open your eyes and criticize the glorious MGS and point out its flaws. It's not that hard!P08C

Actually, it is pretty hard. The game was made to have a top down view and hard boss fights.. those aren't flaws.. those are intentional. I don't think it is so much about the game having flaws or issues as much as your personal preference.

wow! i never called you a liar I called the guy with the gear/bolt/nut things in his avatar a liar. anyway, i'm speaking about my own personal preferences that's all and i would still beg to differ that this game was easy for you.......remember the onyl person i was directing my hostility before was the guy i mentioned above

P08C

You said that anyone that says this game is easy is full of crap. I said it was easy, so, even if indirectly, it also applies to me. That's why generalization sucks.

Now, I don't care if you believe me and I don't care what your opinion is on the game, everyone has their opinion and tastes. Everyone loves Halo and calls it epic, but I don't. Is a good shooter, no doubt about that, but for me is not the be all.

As far as MGS, yeah it has its flaws. Bad camera (like you said), bad AI, sometimes cumbersome controls. But all games have their flaws, but what MGS did cannot be denied. It was a revolutionary title because no one had ever done the things in that genre the way MGS did, not even Tenchu, which came out a little earlier and had a much better camera. Overall, with its flaws, MGS is a superb title, just like GTA (from 1 to SA) are superb, even when the gameplay was high on hit and miss.

Well you have every right to give your opinion on the game, still if you have a GAMECUBE you can play MGS: The twin Snake like the poster above me said. It has the gameplay elements of MGS2 and you might like it.

That is if you have a GC to begin with, if not then carry playing this game till the end. The story gets interesting as you get deep into it.

I hope you enjoy it, if not then MGS2&3 will be worth playing, especially MGS3 it is my favorite.

Star650

Well if he has a Wii he can play it on that as well.

I respect your opinion but i disagree.

I think MGS 1 is one of the best games ever made. I can agree with you about the camera as it is a bit annoying, but i've never had any problems seeing where i'm going or who i'm shooting. The story is incredible and probably the best in the series, aswell as the characters being memorable.

I played the game when it first came out and instantly fell in love. I played through it again just two weeks ago and that love has not faded or changed. You just have to realise that it was probably the best game around when it first came out. The gameplay is a bit dated but if it bothers you then you can buy the "Twin Snakes" which is a remake of MGS 1 that released on the gamecube with all the gameplay features of MGS2.