mgs4 is not being delayed!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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#1 feel_freetwo
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this is pissing me off, ive been on here twice in two days and i have seen a topic called "mgs4 delayed" with the source of "gamestop" a store which has NO inside infromation. and people reply to these topics as if they agree like "it makes sense"..."ohhhh this sucks" and one even "sooooo kojima" even though kojima has never actually delayed a game and is famous for keeping dates. mgs games are spread 3 years apart, each being released in november ish, and this is the best time for games, weather there is competition or not. from history we can tell 3 years apart with a substance version coming out a year later, and possibly a european launch in march. although the whole region free thing might change that. in the trailer it stated "07" the backlash after delayying it till march would be huge, it would be so negative. and what on earth does the ps3 have? im pretty confident they need mgs4 for the chrismas period with gta4 going to xbox360 as well. and people have said that gta4 and halo3 coming out is the reason for delay, but your forgettign that mgs3 took gta4 and halo 3 head on in 2004 and did pretty damn well. people also seem to believe that mgs4 is a huge game, hence justifying the extra development time. mgs3 and mgs2 were so much bigger then mgs1 and yet they both took 3 years to make, just like mgs1 did. and mgs4 will. also mgs4 isnt really that amazing, the graphics are nice but its not a physical marvel exactly nor is it that big. all of what we have seen is from a very small area. i remember people thinking the caves in mgs3 would be huge, there was actually only a couple of minutes of caves in the final game. also they have hired people to increase the size of the development team. hence cutting down production. point being theres no reason to believe that mgs4 is going to be some huge task in comparison to mgs2 orr mgs3. its still a game its still going to be 20 hours long. just because of blu ray it doenst mean every ps3 game is going to be 120 hours long. theres no reason to believe gamestop know anything special, because they do it all the time, they place release dates on things which havnt even been anocued, they were preordering halo 3 before any footage had been released. to conclude mgs4 november 2007, its the 20th annversary of metal gear, seems like a good year to release mgs4 to me. gamestop, amazon....the dont know anythign special, they have no inside infromation. stoop believing such nonsense and most importantly stop agreeign with the nonsense like some mindless sheep.
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#2 Krigon
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in the trailer it stated "07" the backlash after delayying it till march would be huge, it would be so negative.feel_freetwo

Kojima already said that in the trailer it was Raiden who said 07 and not him, so it could be delayed.

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#3 el_rika
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i agree

...not saying a delay couldn't happen, but so far nothing points to it.

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#4 RASECUL
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Soooo Kojima :P

Seriously, can't wait for this game, and I agree with you but if it's delayed then so be it. I did not buy a PS3 solely for MGS4. 

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#5 kkee
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OK, but even thought MGS2 took 3 years, no others games were in development at the time, but in the last year, Kojima Productions have also released MPO, MGS3 Subsistence, MGS DGN and Lunar Knights. Plus, they only started work on the PS3 dev kits after E3 2005, so they may need more time. Just because there has been a 3 year gap between each game, doesn't mean there always will be.
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#6 feel_freetwo
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raiden said 07? what the hell does that mean? and thats not exactly going to cause a huge backlash. you see some games are delayed, they say things in interviews, but never do games say its goign to be released in the trailers and not stick with it, why? because its hugly public. they wouldnt of even mention dates in the mgs4 trailer if it wasnt already on schedual. also a kojima game has never been delayed, well at least not a recent one. in fact i remember him sayying timing and keeping on track is hugly important. hes not the sort to wing it and say its ready when its ready.
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OK, but even thought MGS2 took 3 years, no others games were in development at the time, but in the last year, Kojima Productions have also released MPO, MGS3 Subsistence, MGS DGN and Lunar Knights. Plus, they only started work on the PS3 dev kits after E3 2005, so they may need more time. Just because there has been a 3 year gap between each game, doesn't mean there always will be.kkee

yeah.... and plus mgs4 will be a great game....i know it...soooooooo kojima to make great games

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#8 feel_freetwo
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OK, but even thought MGS2 took 3 years, no others games were in development at the time, but in the last year, Kojima Productions have also released MPO, MGS3 Subsistence, MGS DGN and Lunar Knights. Plus, they only started work on the PS3 dev kits after E3 2005, so they may need more time. Just because there has been a 3 year gap between each game, doesn't mean there always will be.kkee
well actually mgs1 had substance involved and a ton of gameboy and gameboy advance games. also the ps2 dev kits were just as different from the ps1 dev kits as the ps3 are from the ps2. also all the games you mentioned werent done by kojima, they were taken on and designed by his team. also he employed me people to work on mgs4. sure, mgs5 could be released 2 or 4 years after mgs4. but thats simply not going to happen with mgs4.
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gamestop, amazon....the dont know anythign special, they have no inside infromation. stoop believing such nonsense and most importantly stop agreeign with the nonsense like some mindless sheep.feel_freetwo

So I suppose we should take your word over Amazon AND Gamestop, since you got the real 'inside info' eh?

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also mgs4 isnt really that amazing, the graphics are nice but its not a physical marvel exactly nor is it that big. .feel_freetwo

WTF ?? HAve you seen the trailers..? Graphically this blows any game out of the water.. Just like MGS..MGS2 and MGS3 .. and I assume that you have a magical christal ball knowing its not going to be so big.

You just need to calm down and not get worked up over 2 threads stating something you dissagree with. You might say that gamestop is not a proper source of information but it's a source nonetheless and here in the forums we share that information.

And you might say that this game won't take longer to make that the other 3 but how do you know this? do you develope games? are you part of team kojima ? no? then be silent!!

It's already known that MGS4 is taking up a big chunk of a 50gb disc.. You don't think that that means there might be more to this game than the other three..? Or the fact that snakes moustache has more polygons than one enemy in MGS3 does not mean that this game might take a bit longer to devolpe?

But oh well ..what do i know... you must be right.. :roll:

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[QUOTE="feel_freetwo"] also mgs4 isnt really that amazing, the graphics are nice but its not a physical marvel exactly nor is it that big. .The_Tombo

WTF ?? HAve you seen the trailers..? Graphically this blows any game out of the water.. Just like MGS..MGS2 and MGS3 .. and I assume that you have a magical christal ball knowing its not going to be so big.

You just need to calm down and not get worked up over 2 threads stating something you dissagree with. You might say that gamestop is not a proper source of information but it's a source nonetheless and here in the forums we share that information.

And you might say that this game won't take longer to make that the other 3 but how do you know this? do you develope games? are you part of team kojima ? no? then be silent!!

It's already known that MGS4 is taking up a big chunk of a 50gb disc.. You don't think that that means there might be more to this game than the other three..? Or the fact that snakes moustache has more polygons than one enemy in MGS3 does not mean that this game might take a bit longer to devolpe?

But oh well ..what do i know... you must be right.. :roll:

no I think they havnt worried too much about compresion thats all that means, not that its going to be a massive game I think it will be just about the same length as the other MGS games, any way if it was any longer I think it would start to drag on a bit, the length is just right in opinion

 

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#12 feel_freetwo
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[QUOTE="feel_freetwo"] also mgs4 isnt really that amazing, the graphics are nice but its not a physical marvel exactly nor is it that big. .The_Tombo

WTF ?? HAve you seen the trailers..? Graphically this blows any game out of the water.. Just like MGS..MGS2 and MGS3 .. and I assume that you have a magical christal ball knowing its not going to be so big.

You just need to calm down and not get worked up over 2 threads stating something you dissagree with. You might say that gamestop is not a proper source of information but it's a source nonetheless and here in the forums we share that information.

And you might say that this game won't take longer to make that the other 3 but how do you know this? do you develope games? are you part of team kojima ? no? then be silent!!

It's already known that MGS4 is taking up a big chunk of a 50gb disc.. You don't think that that means there might be more to this game than the other three..? Or the fact that snakes moustache has more polygons than one enemy in MGS3 does not mean that this game might take a bit longer to devolpe?

But oh well ..what do i know... you must be right.. :roll:

we share information? well i would think that baseless things would not be encouraged to be shared? if i said that the ps3 is going to cost £9 would everyone jump for joy and believe me? no, theres absoltly no backing for it. word from gamestop should not be posted flat out. mgs4 is a nice looking game, i wouldnt say it blowsanythign out of the water, cyrsis looks ten times better. and also games liek heavenly sword have much better enviroments. yes i do know that the mgs4 trailer was not done, there was filters and lightign effects which were clearly not put on. and polygon wise, its a nice looking game. how do i know its not going to be so big. well dont misunderstand me, the game is probably going to be the same size as mgs3 if a little bigger. there are five areas in mgs4, the first is probably going to be as big as the map in the corner of this image http://metalgearsolid.org/gallery/galleries/1.%20Metal%20Gear%20Saga/Metal%20Gear%20Solid%204/Screenshots/013.jpg through out mgs trailer history levels have looked bigger, this is a thign with all trailers. mgs2 made a whole game look like a trailer, mgs3 made the first part of the game look like hours of gaming, while you could run through it in 3 minutes. but mgs has always made smaller but more detailed levels. sure this is a assumption, but a highly valid one, because (not to blow my own trumpet) i know a hell of alot about mgs. and yes i do know a hell of alot about developing games, its what i do with my life. also the amount of polygons in snakes moustache doesnt exactly mean much, from the trailers we know it has no benefits to physics, also its not exactly going to increase the file size a huge amoutn to justify blu ray. kojima already said that he wants high quality sounds, thats audio. hes said that the more space a developer has, that they will fill it. and thats probably true. mgs3 took up a dual layed disc so i dont see why mgs4 wont justify a blu ray disc. but that doesnt really come form the acutal level size. you can make a high quality area fit to about 20mb. in fact alot of space is audio, unless you use a codec like mp3 audio will take up a ton of space. also a blu ray disc is 25gb, not 50gb. as well as that it basically means developers dont have to worry about compression. look at resistence, that was 17 gb, and can you honestly say that was twice the size of call of duty? no it was done by not caring abotu size, that or buffer to make it look bigger. hey, i could be wrong, mgs4 could very well come out in 08 and gamestop could have insider infromation. but i highly doubt it.
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#13 feel_freetwo
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[QUOTE="feel_freetwo"]gamestop, amazon....the dont know anythign special, they have no inside infromation. stoop believing such nonsense and most importantly stop agreeign with the nonsense like some mindless sheep.Thee_Chigga

So I suppose we should take your word over Amazon AND Gamestop, since you got the real 'inside info' eh?

yeah you actually should. my arguments are all true, and this is because i love the series and i know all about the goings on. what i have said in this topic is highly logical, unlike what amazon and gamestop would do, and here some news and make a assumption. im not sayying you should listern to my advice of dvds or the neext hippy hop artist. but when it comes to mgs, i know way more then amazong or gamestop.
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[QUOTE="Thee_Chigga"]

[QUOTE="feel_freetwo"]gamestop, amazon....the dont know anythign special, they have no inside infromation. stoop believing such nonsense and most importantly stop agreeign with the nonsense like some mindless sheep.feel_freetwo

So I suppose we should take your word over Amazon AND Gamestop, since you got the real 'inside info' eh?

yeah you actually should. my arguments are all true, and this is because i love the series and i know all about the goings on. what i have said in this topic is highly logical, unlike what amazon and gamestop would do, and here some news and make a assumption. im not sayying you should listern to my advice of dvds or the neext hippy hop artist. but when it comes to mgs, i know way more then amazong or gamestop.

The burden of proof is on the websites, not the topic creator. So his point cant have holes picked in it.

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#15 feel_freetwo
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you can disagree with me all you want. thats fine. all i want is when the next topic comes up with "gamestop says mgs4 is delayed" or anythign like that, i would love if people didnt say "oh i expected this" or "sooooo kojima" or maybe " oh great more devlopement time" just do not believe stuff that isnt official.
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#16 OnlineGama
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i smell yah kid...but cah know their hast really been any inside iformation on these big titles like ....MGS4,SSBB,Too Human those are greta game sim looken for and yet theirs no info on them and im afraid they might be delayed...this is pissen me off buy the second...
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Once Konami comes out and say it will be out next year. then I will believe it.
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#18 Devils_Joker_22
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you can disagree with me all you want. thats fine. all i want is when the next topic comes up with "gamestop says mgs4 is delayed" or anythign like that, i would love if people didnt say "oh i expected this" or "sooooo kojima" or maybe " oh great more devlopement time" just do not believe stuff that isnt official.feel_freetwo

I hope you know i was agreeing with you?

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Once Konami comes out and say it will be out next year. then I will believe it.SolidSnake2020
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#20 Nightflash28
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Yeah, again people are jumping the gun over nothing.

Then again, there always is the possibility of a delay. Anyways, neither is a reason to freak out like some people here do.
If the get it done on time, hooray. If not, well; good things need time.

So relax, people. 

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[QUOTE="feel_freetwo"]you can disagree with me all you want. thats fine. all i want is when the next topic comes up with "gamestop says mgs4 is delayed" or anythign like that, i would love if people didnt say "oh i expected this" or "sooooo kojima" or maybe " oh great more devlopement time" just do not believe stuff that isnt official.Devils_Joker_22

I hope you know i was agreeing with you?

i knew, i was just stresssing the point of the topic.
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#22 Thomas-Crown
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Well, is only a speculations... So far no confirmation from anywhere about whether or not the game has been delayed. People just want to express their opinion about a possible delay which has been long speculated or even expect it. There's no need to get mad at people who'd expressed their view, after all, this is a forum...Kojima or Konami is the only reliable source and we all know they will not clarifly this because anything can happen during the production of the game.
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i want this
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#24 The_Tombo
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ya i know what you are sayin freetwo and i agree with you for the most part..

But still you should be used to useless threads.. and as much as the threads about MGS4 being delayed jumping the gun.. all you have to do is read their info and decide for yourself if it is true or not and leave it be .. thats what i do (mostly :P)

I still thinkg mgs4 has some of the greatest graphics I've ever seen .. and crysis is exclusive to the pc (so far) so it is not (yet) fair to compare it to a console game because pc games have always looked better than their console counter-parts.

And I was not saying that the game is going to be longer that the previous three i was merely implying that it is probably more work to create the stuff in mgs4 than in the previous three and that it would (most likely) take longer to do it.

Oh and I know quite a bit about mgs as well ;) 

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#25 kkee
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just do not believe stuff that isnt official.feel_freetwo

I think you need to calm down. People have been speculating on the release date for 2 years since the only clue to an official date has been the E3 2006 trailer. In an interview earlier this year (I think it was with Edge Magazine, but I'll need to confirm that), Kojima was asked if 2007 was the official release date and he answered that Raiden put that date, not himself. This was considered a hint towards the game coming out in 2008 for North American and Japanese gamers (Europe was expected to get it in 2008 anyway).

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#26 The_Tombo
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[QUOTE="feel_freetwo"]just do not believe stuff that isnt official.kkee

I think you need to calm down. People have been speculating on the release date for 2 years since the only clue to an official date has been the E3 2006 trailer. In an interview earlier this year (I think it was with Edge Magazine, but I'll need to confirm that), Kojima was asked if 2007 was the official release date and he answered that Raiden put that date, not himself. This was considered a hint towards the game coming out in 2008 for North American and Japanese gamers (Europe was expected to get it in 2008 anyway).

don't remind me *grumble*

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[QUOTE="kkee"]

[QUOTE="feel_freetwo"]just do not believe stuff that isnt official.The_Tombo

I think you need to calm down. People have been speculating on the release date for 2 years since the only clue to an official date has been the E3 2006 trailer. In an interview earlier this year (I think it was with Edge Magazine, but I'll need to confirm that), Kojima was asked if 2007 was the official release date and he answered that Raiden put that date, not himself. This was considered a hint towards the game coming out in 2008 for North American and Japanese gamers (Europe was expected to get it in 2008 anyway).

don't remind me *grumble*

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#28 treelog187
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Didnt take the time to read topic, but the TC is correct.  People should not take release dates seriously that are given from gaming vendors as they are usually just an estimated guess.  I have seen many release dates posted for MGS4 everything from 7/7/07 to the most recent guess being 3/1/08.  Unless Kojima himself puts out a confirmed release date than nothing is Solid.  Companies like gamestop do not have any secret info on the industry as some of you may think.  Im not saying the game wont be delayed, but untill Kojima or Konami state otherwise this game is still slated for 07.  Dont even bring up the Raiden said 07 not me BS.  It was supposed to be a joke.  Kojima put that at the end of the trailer because its what he is aiming for.  If it slips into 08 then oh well, but I would expect a mid November launch.
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If there's choice, I'd rather want a delay; so Kojima can add rumble and other stuffs he wants to add.
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#30 feel_freetwo
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If there's choice, I'd rather want a delay; so Kojima can add rumble and other stuffs he wants to add.Funglip
thats why you have a substance version. and why would the ps3 add rumble? for a single game that wont sell much beyound 5 million . yes thats alot. the lack of rumble is a interent thing, and isnt a concern of the general people. not even gamers notice the xbox360 has rumble. sure some 3rd parties might come out with it. but i doubt we will see sony relaunchign the controller for rumble. also, you dont need a delay to add in rumble, its a simple few lines of code, its not exactly a five month job. they could probably copy and paste it almost from mgs2 scripts.
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#31 NWA_31
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[QUOTE="feel_freetwo"]in the trailer it stated "07" the backlash after delayying it till march would be huge, it would be so negative.Krigon

Kojima already said that in the trailer it was Raiden who said 07 and not him, so it could be delayed.

He did ? :? Lmfao Kojima is so awesome :P

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#32 Xanog1
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I don't understand how this rumor could have started.

How could a game be delayed when we don't even know when it is supposed to come out?

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#33 feel_freetwo
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I don't understand how this rumor could have started.

How could a game be delayed when we don't even know when it is supposed to come out?

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we do....2007.
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#34 Funglip
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[QUOTE="Funglip"]If there's choice, I'd rather want a delay; so Kojima can add rumble and other stuffs he wants to add.feel_freetwo
thats why you have a substance version. and why would the ps3 add rumble? for a single game that wont sell much beyound 5 million . yes thats alot. the lack of rumble is a interent thing, and isnt a concern of the general people. not even gamers notice the xbox360 has rumble. sure some 3rd parties might come out with it. but i doubt we will see sony relaunchign the controller for rumble. also, you dont need a delay to add in rumble, its a simple few lines of code, its not exactly a five month job. they could probably copy and paste it almost from mgs2 scripts.

Who cares what u think? If Kojima wants more time, he'll get more time and gamers should support him.  PS3 is a new piece of hardware; they need time to figure things out.  Maybe they just realize "Oh shoot, we could do this so much better!", then they would want to fix it.  Why wouldn't you want the game to be better?  I don't understand ur logic what so ever.    Edit: The fact that you think your opinion represents general people is pretty funny.  Try not to centralize yourself too much. Kojima's rumble is awesome!
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#35 odin2019
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[QUOTE="feel_freetwo"]in the trailer it stated "07" the backlash after delayying it till march would be huge, it would be so negative.Krigon

Kojima already said that in the trailer it was Raiden who said 07 and not him, so it could be delayed.

Raiden who said?  Raiden my @ss...who programs Raiden what to say?

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[QUOTE="feel_freetwo"]in the trailer it stated "07" the backlash after delayying it till march would be huge, it would be so negative.Krigon

Kojima already said that in the trailer it was Raiden who said 07 and not him, so it could be delayed.

Raiden said 07?! LMAO what the hell is that suppose to mean?! Is raiden like a real person now or something 

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#37 Denji
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[QUOTE="feel_freetwo"]gamestop, amazon....the dont know anythign special, they have no inside infromation. stoop believing such nonsense and most importantly stop agreeign with the nonsense like some mindless sheep.Thee_Chigga

So I suppose we should take your word over Amazon AND Gamestop, since you got the real 'inside info' eh?

 

No it's just logic. Neither Amazon or Gamestop have a crystal ball either. They get the same info we do, they have to get the call when an official release date was announced to the public. If you knew (which you seem not to) Kojima keeps secrets about his games, especially Metal Gear. Closely guarded too and nothing is leaked. So yeah, just cause they're a store, doesn't mean they know. They hear it when we hear it. Expect info in July's E3. 

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#38 Denji
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[QUOTE="Krigon"]

[QUOTE="feel_freetwo"]in the trailer it stated "07" the backlash after delayying it till march would be huge, it would be so negative.BrutonNYC

Kojima already said that in the trailer it was Raiden who said 07 and not him, so it could be delayed.

Raiden said 07?! LMAO what the hell is that suppose to mean?! Is raiden like a real person now or something

 

Yeah really, that's the dumbest comment I've heard in ages (Metal Gear related anyways)

 

 

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#39 darkmanure
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Kojima said he'll try to get it out by 2007 so its uncomfirmed. No release date = no delay since theres no real date to begin with.
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i dont care when it comes out because im not getting the ps3 until it goes down like 300 bucks (aussie) at the moment im fine with mgs2 and mgs3, i finished mgs3 on friday and tried european extreme, and it took me and hour to do wat 10 minutes would! it was so friggin hard.also im on a quest to find all the frogs.

i cant wait till it comes out so i can play it at my mates house and maybe in eb games.

also can someone please tell me in english what the relatiionshiop with the boss, big boss, snake, snake, snake, ocelot and all that kerfuffle. i stil dont know who i was playing with on mgs3 cuz he looked the same as mgs2. 

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there is another store that has delayed it......
http://www.playthree.net/2007/05/metal-gear-solid-4-delayed-until-2008.html
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According to EGM, Kojima said he has high hopes for the ps3 success, and he expects FFXIII to realy boost support before he releases MGS 4. XIII isn't slated for release until 08, obviously.
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#43 feel_freetwo
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another retailer said it???? that means nothing, n to the o to the t to the h to the i to the n to the g...nothing.
According to EGM, Kojima said he has high hopes for the ps3 success, and he expects FFXIII to realy boost support before he releases MGS 4. XIII isn't slated for release until 08, obviously.dru26
i would love to see a quote of that. and also maybe he believes its beign released in 2007, although i doubt he even said it.