New PSN Terms of Service

What does it mean you have 30 days?.

I remember that I had to agree to the new terms of service aggreement earlier this year by just saying that I agreed to continue using the PSN so do I just agree to the new terms of service just like I did before?.

This is absolutely atrociuos treatment of customers. Thank you for the template, however i believe my days with sony will now be over. they are leaving users no choice but to A) have no rights or B) hack the systems in order to get some functionality. Did you read that you also no longer purchase any content, it is simply licensed and thus, not yours. They can revoke your access to a movie you've paid for through them at any time AND for any reason. These broad 'sweeping' rights in favour of the company are part of the reason they were targeted already. I will most likely be moving my system to a modded version, but i DO hope that sony is again targeted by some of the groups that showed the world how little sony cares for their customers data.mylast_words

Wait people are now required to hack the PS3 to play games? The terms have absolutely nothing to do with any changes to how games are played, it's about people who feel the need to sue Sony and try and fill their own pockets.

So when I agree to the new terms of service , can I do my online stuff like downloading games from the store and talking to my friends like I always do?.

Wait people are now required to hack the PS3 to play games? The terms have absolutely nothing to do with any changes to how games are played, it's about people who feel the need to sue Sony and try and fill their own pockets.mylast_words

Actually John, no. I am unable to use my system today, in the same fashion as yesterday, which includes me watching Netflix (the only real reason i go online with the system) without signing away ANY right i have as a consumer. I had no interest in modding my system before (well, it did cross my mind when i was playing GTA4 with the LONG load times, that if i had a modded box i could at least put it on the HDD which would increase the load speed) but now will have to research it so that i can continue to use it to watch Netflix without PSN, if that's even possible.

So when I agree to the new terms of service , can I do my online stuff like downloading games from the store and talking to my friends like I always do?.

pashmina626

And at the end of the day, what? Its the customers that decide how their info is used, you GAVE Sony permission to use any information you intentionally provided for them. What, you think any online service is without risks? Theres hackers everywhere, your SSN can be accessed by almost any government agency, they can erase you from existence if they wanted to. Major banks are constantly getting cyberattacked, almost on a weekly basis. And taking this into account, ultimately its up to the individual what they provide for services online.

This is why I limit what I put on the internet and throughly research a company or website before giving them information about me. Sony doesn't have my CC info or SSN (that I gave them intentionally, for all I know they probably do have it).

I have no reason to sue Sony, considering their service is free and I can play games online, for free. Until this changes, I have no problem with this.

And at the end of the day, what? Its the customers that decide how their info is used, you GAVE Sony permission to use any information you intentionally provided for them. What, you think any online service is without risks? Theres hackers everywhere, your SSN can be accessed by almost any government agency, they can erase you from existence if they wanted to. Major banks are constantly getting cyberattacked, almost on a weekly basis. And taking this into account, ultimately its up to the individual what they provide for services online.

This is why I limit what I put on the internet and throughly research a company or website before giving them information about me. Sony doesn't have my CC info or SSN (that I gave them intentionally, for all I know they probably do have it).

I have no reason to sue Sony, considering their service is free and I can play games online, for free. Until this changes, I have no problem with this.

KamuiFei

Sony doesn't have any useful info on me after the April thing, and they never will. If they feel like losing my email ("go****yourselfsonyexecs@aol.com") then they're welcome to do so. No credit card, no real address... They can sit followed by a nice long spin.

:lol:

Thank you TC for posting this very pertinent info, though. You do indeed rock, m'friend!!! You (and your law-talkin' friend) are genuine friends and assets to the gaming community at-large!!! We could use a few more such as yourself 'round here!!!

:)

I don't care. I'm perfectly happy playing games on my PS3 exactly the way Sony intended. If I couldn't enjoy gaming without hacking my console and suing people, I wouldn't have taken up the hobby in the first place.

I don't care. I'm perfectly happy playing games on my PS3 exactly the way Sony intended. If I couldn't enjoy gaming without hacking my console and suing people, I wouldn't have taken up the hobby in the first place.

Jackc8

What happens if your PS3 is bricked by an update? Yeah didn't quite think that one through cause it will be tough luck for you if Sony say '' it wasn't us and you can't prove it and even if you can you signed your rights away LOL''

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I don't care. I'm perfectly happy playing games on my PS3 exactly the way Sony intended. If I couldn't enjoy gaming without hacking my console and suing people, I wouldn't have taken up the hobby in the first place.

HGAT

What happens if your PS3 is bricked by an update? Yeah didn't quite think that one through cause it will be tough luck for you if Sony say '' it wasn't us and you can't prove it and even if you can you signed your rights away LOL''

THIS.

Look, I don't want to fuel the paranoia train, but this agreement does effectually strip you of your rights as a consumer where Sony is concerned with it's wording. This is not "The Sky Is Falling", but it certainly IS lawyers testing the waters for what they can get their clients away with. If you think Sony has warm fuzzies just because Kaz has a nice easy way about him and they coughed up some "free" software, you'd be wrong. Sony is beginning to erect a beach like Normandy with this recent agreement. They are preparing themselves for a (possible or eventual) consumer D-Day landing, and if you need a graphic example of what they are thinking, watch the first 25 minutes of "Saving Private Ryan" again. They want lawyer-machinegun nests set up to mow down every consumer soldier who leaves the troop transport, and no mistake.

This **** should not be taken lightly.

I love how everyone are making this a universal "OMG you no longer have consumer rights!!". Yes you do, just because you can't join or create a class action suit doesn't mean your helpless, you still have warranty, servicing and not to mention consumer help, and when last was an update released that caused a class action suit, if an update bricking your PS3 is the best you can come up with as fuel against this new term from Sony then god help us all.

Oh yeah and you can still sue Sony just don't expect millions of others to join in on the drain train.

I love how everyone are making this a universal "OMG you no longer have consumer rights!!". Yes you do, just because you can't join or create a class action suit doesn't mean your helpless, you still have warranty, servicing and not to mention consumer help, and when last was an update released that caused a class action suit, if an update bricking your PS3 is the best you can come up with as fuel against this new term from Sony then god help us all.JohnF111

It's not just giving up your rights to a class action suit, but also the right to SUE them in court. It binds you to arbitration, which is a non-lawful process (my wording might be misleading there, an out of court process) whereby your case is determined by a mediator. Just an FYI, I could be that mediator, and I could decide that you have no case, no matter what information you provide. In that case your next recourse is the courts, which you can no longer use as you've waived your rights to sue in court. Welcome to binding arbitration.mylast_words

Does this apply to EU users too?

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I don't care. I'm perfectly happy playing games on my PS3 exactly the way Sony intended. If I couldn't enjoy gaming without hacking my console and suing people, I wouldn't have taken up the hobby in the first place.

HGAT

What happens if your PS3 is bricked by an update? Yeah didn't quite think that one through cause it will be tough luck for you if Sony say '' it wasn't us and you can't prove it and even if you can you signed your rights away LOL''

You wouldn't be able to prove that a software update caused a hardware malfuction anyway, so...

And so you agree to not join in a class action suit against Sony. Big deal. Personally speaking I'd never be a party to a class action suit anyway (and have, indeed, declined to do so in the past). They just seem kinda sleazy to me.