how does the CELL compare to a normal multi core computer processor?
normal multi core processor compared to CELL/B.E.
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[QUOTE="unkownpain69"]how does the CELL compare to a normal multi core computer processor?
vip3r666
its about a lot of times faster :)
 Its not really a black and white type of thing. The cell could be better at processing some information, while normal multi cells could be better and processing others.
Its not the mother of all chips like some people seem to think it is... its really just a new type of processorÂ
[QUOTE="unkownpain69"]how does the CELL compare to a normal multi core computer processor?
vip3r666
its about a lot of times faster :)Â
Not true at all! The Cell is a specifically designed processor that handles some stuff very well (multimedia, and vector processing, and other tasks) but is limited in other areas. I was recently at IBM (for training) and they gave us a demonstration of their new dual Cell blade server and when I asked about availability they said it wasn't available to the general public due to its very specific computational functionality. Â
It would not make a great general computer processor and shouldn't be compared to such.Â
edit: typoÂ
[QUOTE="vip3r666"][QUOTE="unkownpain69"]how does the CELL compare to a normal multi core computer processor?
GameArtGuy
its about a lot of times faster :)
 Its not really a black and white type of thing. The cell could be better at processing some information, while normal multi cells could be better and processing others.
Its not the mother of all chips like some people seem to think it is... its really just a new type of processorÂ
Yes that may be true, but true fact for sure, is the cell processor is more advanced then the xbox 360, if it wasnt then developers would already know how to work with the ps3 hardware, and when u do build an engine strictly for the ps3, the outcome of it is dead gorgeous for example.
Almost every xbox 360 game we seen so far that has beautiful graphics uses the unreal engine 3 where as for ps3 games just look at what Insomniac has done with RFOM using there own engine with RFOM for a launch game and now look at Ratchet and Clank. Also Motorstorm doesnt even use the unreal engine and look how beautiful that game is. Naughty Dog's Uncharted Drake's FOrtune is right up there with any of the best looking games to date and using there own engine. Heavenly Sword is also amazing and using its own engine. And we all know Final Fantasy 13, MGS4, GT5, and God Of War 3 will all be stunning and set the bar for graphics and all of them aint even using the unreal engine. Reason I bring this up is because look at halo 3, MS is best franchise game, finally bungie doesnt want to rely on unreal engine but look at how the game looks at its beta. Even Uncharte Drake's Fortune in its alpha stage is more impressive then halo 3 graphics wise. This is why I know if devs tap into the ps3 hardware which is more advanced then the xbox 360 hardware, u will get mind blowing games. Yes u may say the xbox 360 gpu is more advance then the rsx, but thats when cell comes into play, and the cell also can be used as a gpu, to help out rsx, which puts the rsx above the xbox 360 gpu. If u havent noticed, even early in the ps3's life, it already has impressive looking games that are on par with the xbox 360 and for a system that has been worked on by devs with a years head start over the ps3, already the ps3 is showing that not long from now when third party devs learn how to work with the ps3 hardware just like the ps3 first and second party devs, they will surpass the xbox 360 sooner or later. I give it about 1 and a half years from now, sony will have games that the xbox 360 would only wish it could handle and display. The game that will set the bar in graphics will be MGS4 for console games, I guarantee that Kojima will not dissapoint. He never has and he is one of the best devs in the world, yes even greater then Cliffy B, "FACT". :)
[QUOTE="GameArtGuy"][QUOTE="vip3r666"][QUOTE="unkownpain69"]how does the CELL compare to a normal multi core computer processor?
squallff8_fan
its about a lot of times faster :)
Its not really a black and white type of thing. The cell could be better at processing some information, while normal multi cells could be better and processing others.
Its not the mother of all chips like some people seem to think it is... its really just a new type of processor
Yes that may be true, but true fact for sure, is the cell processor is more advanced then the xbox 360, if it wasnt then developers would already know how to work with the ps3 hardware, and when u do build an engine strictly for the ps3, the outcome of it is dead gorgeous for example.
Almost every xbox 360 game we seen so far that has beautiful graphics uses the unreal engine 3 where as for ps3 games just look at what Insomniac has done with RFOM using there own engine with RFOM for a launch game and now look at Ratchet and Clank. Also Motorstorm doesnt even use the unreal engine and look how beautiful that game is. Naughty Dog's Uncharted Drake's FOrtune is right up there with any of the best looking games to date and using there own engine. Heavenly Sword is also amazing and using its own engine. And we all know Final Fantasy 13, MGS4, GT5, and God Of War 3 will all be stunning and set the bar for graphics and all of them aint even using the unreal engine. Reason I bring this up is because look at halo 3, MS is best franchise game, finally bungie doesnt want to rely on unreal engine but look at how the game looks at its beta. Even Uncharte Drake's Fortune in its alpha stage is more impressive then halo 3 graphics wise. This is why I know if devs tap into the ps3 hardware which is more advanced then the xbox 360 hardware, u will get mind blowing games. Yes u may say the xbox 360 gpu is more advance then the rsx, but thats when cell comes into play, and the cell also can be used as a gpu, to help out rsx, which puts the rsx above the xbox 360 gpu. If u havent noticed, even early in the ps3's life, it already has impressive looking games that are on par with the xbox 360 and for a system that has been worked on by devs with a years head start over the ps3, already the ps3 is showing that not long from now when third party devs learn how to work with the ps3 hardware just like the ps3 first and second party devs, they will surpass the xbox 360 sooner or later. I give it about 1 and a half years from now, sony will have games that the xbox 360 would only wish it could handle and display. The game that will set the bar in graphics will be MGS4 for console games, I guarantee that Kojima will not dissapoint. He never has and he is one of the best devs in the world, yes even greater then Cliffy B, "FACT". :)
how come ive never seen you IN SW?
Yes that may be true, but true fact for sure, is the cell processor is more advanced then the xbox 360, if it wasnt then developers would already know how to work with the ps3 hardware, and when u do build an engine strictly for the ps3, the outcome of it is dead gorgeous for example.
Almost every xbox 360 game we seen so far that has beautiful graphics uses the unreal engine 3 where as for ps3 games just look at what Insomniac has done with RFOM using there own engine with RFOM for a launch game and now look at Ratchet and Clank. Also Motorstorm doesnt even use the unreal engine and look how beautiful that game is. Naughty Dog's Uncharted Drake's FOrtune is right up there with any of the best looking games to date and using there own engine. Heavenly Sword is also amazing and using its own engine. And we all know Final Fantasy 13, MGS4, GT5, and God Of War 3 will all be stunning and set the bar for graphics and all of them aint even using the unreal engine. Reason I bring this up is because look at halo 3, MS is best franchise game, finally bungie doesnt want to rely on unreal engine but look at how the game looks at its beta. Even Uncharte Drake's Fortune in its alpha stage is more impressive then halo 3 graphics wise. This is why I know if devs tap into the ps3 hardware which is more advanced then the xbox 360 hardware, u will get mind blowing games. Yes u may say the xbox 360 gpu is more advance then the rsx, but thats when cell comes into play, and the cell also can be used as a gpu, to help out rsx, which puts the rsx above the xbox 360 gpu. If u havent noticed, even early in the ps3's life, it already has impressive looking games that are on par with the xbox 360 and for a system that has been worked on by devs with a years head start over the ps3, already the ps3 is showing that not long from now when third party devs learn how to work with the ps3 hardware just like the ps3 first and second party devs, they will surpass the xbox 360 sooner or later. I give it about 1 and a half years from now, sony will have games that the xbox 360 would only wish it could handle and display. The game that will set the bar in graphics will be MGS4 for console games, I guarantee that Kojima will not dissapoint. He never has and he is one of the best devs in the world, yes even greater then Cliffy B, "FACT". :)
squallff8_fan
not trying to disagree with you but from a multiplat viewpoint the ps3 will always suffer, because devs will always make their games for 360 first and then quickly port then to PC due to the plataforms similar architecture
on the other hand, all ps3 exclusives can be better than 360 exclusives due to ps3's different architcture
[QUOTE="squallff8_fan"][QUOTE="GameArtGuy"][QUOTE="vip3r666"][QUOTE="unkownpain69"]how does the CELL compare to a normal multi core computer processor?
Squall_Griver
its about a lot of times faster :)
Its not really a black and white type of thing. The cell could be better at processing some information, while normal multi cells could be better and processing others.
Its not the mother of all chips like some people seem to think it is... its really just a new type of processor
Yes that may be true, but true fact for sure, is the cell processor is more advanced then the xbox 360, if it wasnt then developers would already know how to work with the ps3 hardware, and when u do build an engine strictly for the ps3, the outcome of it is dead gorgeous for example.
Almost every xbox 360 game we seen so far that has beautiful graphics uses the unreal engine 3 where as for ps3 games just look at what Insomniac has done with RFOM using there own engine with RFOM for a launch game and now look at Ratchet and Clank. Also Motorstorm doesnt even use the unreal engine and look how beautiful that game is. Naughty Dog's Uncharted Drake's FOrtune is right up there with any of the best looking games to date and using there own engine. Heavenly Sword is also amazing and using its own engine. And we all know Final Fantasy 13, MGS4, GT5, and God Of War 3 will all be stunning and set the bar for graphics and all of them aint even using the unreal engine. Reason I bring this up is because look at halo 3, MS is best franchise game, finally bungie doesnt want to rely on unreal engine but look at how the game looks at its beta. Even Uncharte Drake's Fortune in its alpha stage is more impressive then halo 3 graphics wise. This is why I know if devs tap into the ps3 hardware which is more advanced then the xbox 360 hardware, u will get mind blowing games. Yes u may say the xbox 360 gpu is more advance then the rsx, but thats when cell comes into play, and the cell also can be used as a gpu, to help out rsx, which puts the rsx above the xbox 360 gpu. If u havent noticed, even early in the ps3's life, it already has impressive looking games that are on par with the xbox 360 and for a system that has been worked on by devs with a years head start over the ps3, already the ps3 is showing that not long from now when third party devs learn how to work with the ps3 hardware just like the ps3 first and second party devs, they will surpass the xbox 360 sooner or later. I give it about 1 and a half years from now, sony will have games that the xbox 360 would only wish it could handle and display. The game that will set the bar in graphics will be MGS4 for console games, I guarantee that Kojima will not dissapoint. He never has and he is one of the best devs in the world, yes even greater then Cliffy B, "FACT". :)
how come ive never seen you IN SW?
LOL im in there alot aswell but mostly in other forums checking out updates and stuff to my ps3 and xbox 360 and ps2 and psp.
not trying to disagree with you but from a multiplat viewpoint the ps3 will always suffer, because devs will always make their games for 360 first and then quickly port then to PC due to the plataforms similar architectureon the other hand, all ps3 exclusives can be better than 360 exclusives due to ps3's different architcture
FireFalkon
The 360 uses a tri-core PPC970 based RISC processor how does i compare to the x86 CISC based CPUs again?
The 360 uses a tri-core PPC970 based RISC processor how does i compare to the x86 CISC based CPUs again?guyhunter
i don't know but it seems that EA and Ubisoft do, maybe it's because it has a processor,ram,and gpu arranged in the same way a normal PC is, who knows, i don't spend my time studying video game hardware
what i said was based on what i saw in the industry i.e. most, if not all 360 games launch on PC tooÂ
[QUOTE="squallff8_fan"]Yes that may be true, but true fact for sure, is the cell processor is more advanced then the xbox 360, if it wasnt then developers would already know how to work with the ps3 hardware, and when u do build an engine strictly for the ps3, the outcome of it is dead gorgeous for example.
Almost every xbox 360 game we seen so far that has beautiful graphics uses the unreal engine 3 where as for ps3 games just look at what Insomniac has done with RFOM using there own engine with RFOM for a launch game and now look at Ratchet and Clank. Also Motorstorm doesnt even use the unreal engine and look how beautiful that game is. Naughty Dog's Uncharted Drake's FOrtune is right up there with any of the best looking games to date and using there own engine. Heavenly Sword is also amazing and using its own engine. And we all know Final Fantasy 13, MGS4, GT5, and God Of War 3 will all be stunning and set the bar for graphics and all of them aint even using the unreal engine. Reason I bring this up is because look at halo 3, MS is best franchise game, finally bungie doesnt want to rely on unreal engine but look at how the game looks at its beta. Even Uncharte Drake's Fortune in its alpha stage is more impressive then halo 3 graphics wise. This is why I know if devs tap into the ps3 hardware which is more advanced then the xbox 360 hardware, u will get mind blowing games. Yes u may say the xbox 360 gpu is more advance then the rsx, but thats when cell comes into play, and the cell also can be used as a gpu, to help out rsx, which puts the rsx above the xbox 360 gpu. If u havent noticed, even early in the ps3's life, it already has impressive looking games that are on par with the xbox 360 and for a system that has been worked on by devs with a years head start over the ps3, already the ps3 is showing that not long from now when third party devs learn how to work with the ps3 hardware just like the ps3 first and second party devs, they will surpass the xbox 360 sooner or later. I give it about 1 and a half years from now, sony will have games that the xbox 360 would only wish it could handle and display. The game that will set the bar in graphics will be MGS4 for console games, I guarantee that Kojima will not dissapoint. He never has and he is one of the best devs in the world, yes even greater then Cliffy B, "FACT". :)
FireFalkon
not trying to disagree with you but from a multiplat viewpoint the ps3 will always suffer, because devs will always make their games for 360 first and then quickly port then to PC due to the plataforms similar architecture
on the other hand, all ps3 exclusives can be better than 360 exclusives due to ps3's different architcture
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Youre right, its powerful and does have the upper hand in processing power out of all the systems. What i was trying to say though is the cell is NOT this super powerful processor like a lot of people on this board seem to think it is. "The power of the CELL" is just one of the most ignorant statements one here can say as its really just slightly better than the 360 and/or PC multicore units. The fact is most people are thinking of the cell as something outrageously powerful that is 2,5, or 10x more powerful than anything else... and its just simply not. Its a really good, and really efficient, and really cool running processor granted, but its not SkyNet.
 One thing that always comes to mind whenever the idea of "ps3 will just take longer to look better" is the fact that the 360 is aimed towards about 5-5.5 years, and the ps3 (according to Big K) is aimed towards a TEN year life span. Will the CELL upperhand be unlocked before the new 360 comes out with a granted better than the cell processor (MS is now developing it internal) or will it be after? Its really a good and a bad for both parties. 360 fans will need a new console sooner, but ps3 fans will be running on "outdated" (not by much) hardware.
[QUOTE="guyhunter"]
The 360 uses a tri-core PPC970 based RISC processor how does i compare to the x86 CISC based CPUs again?FireFalkon
i don't know but it seems that EA and Ubisoft do, maybe it's because it has a processor,ram,and gpu arranged in the same way a normal PC is, who knows, i don't spend my time studying video game hardware
what i said was based on what i saw in the industry i.e. most, if not all 360 games launch on PC too
 The idea that most 360 games will launch on the PC is because of two factors... the PC is more or less a MS platform, and the architechture is very much alike. (Note XNA)
[QUOTE="vip3r666"][QUOTE="unkownpain69"]how does the CELL compare to a normal multi core computer processor?
guyhunter
its about a lot of times faster :)
Not true at all! The Cell is a specifically designed processor that handles some stuff very well (multimedia, and vector processing, and other tasks) but is limited in other areas. I was recently at IBM (for training) and they gave us a demonstration of their new dual Cell blade server and when I asked about availability they said it wasn't available to the general public due to its very specific computational functionality.
It would not make a great general computer processor and shouldn't be compared to such.
edit: typo
Are you serious? The ps3 sucks at multimedia, thats funny :lol:
[QUOTE="vip3r666"][QUOTE="unkownpain69"]how does the CELL compare to a normal multi core computer processor?
GameArtGuy
its about a lot of times faster :)
Its not really a black and white type of thing. The cell could be better at processing some information, while normal multi cells could be better and processing others.
Its not the mother of all chips like some people seem to think it is... its really just a new type of processor
Exactly. Not to mention, the mother of all processors with only the same amount of RAM available to it as compared to a regular processor really doesnt show much of a difference.
Its funny how people are so easily conviced that the hype a company throws at them to sell systems is the truth. I kinda feel sorry for them really...eventually they will be disapointed. Its much better to take a much more realistic approach and not completely believe everything you hear.
Of course, the majority of people in this thread will say that the Cell is some kind of amazing processor (even though the one in the PS3 is just in order, and not more powerful than an out of order Core 2 Duo 6400)...so the guy asking this question wont really get his question answered appropriately...and end up believing the majority's opinion, which is biased. But whatever. lolÂ
[QUOTE="FireFalkon"][QUOTE="squallff8_fan"]Yes that may be true, but true fact for sure, is the cell processor is more advanced then the xbox 360, if it wasnt then developers would already know how to work with the ps3 hardware, and when u do build an engine strictly for the ps3, the outcome of it is dead gorgeous for example.
Almost every xbox 360 game we seen so far that has beautiful graphics uses the unreal engine 3 where as for ps3 games just look at what Insomniac has done with RFOM using there own engine with RFOM for a launch game and now look at Ratchet and Clank. Also Motorstorm doesnt even use the unreal engine and look how beautiful that game is. Naughty Dog's Uncharted Drake's FOrtune is right up there with any of the best looking games to date and using there own engine. Heavenly Sword is also amazing and using its own engine. And we all know Final Fantasy 13, MGS4, GT5, and God Of War 3 will all be stunning and set the bar for graphics and all of them aint even using the unreal engine. Reason I bring this up is because look at halo 3, MS is best franchise game, finally bungie doesnt want to rely on unreal engine but look at how the game looks at its beta. Even Uncharte Drake's Fortune in its alpha stage is more impressive then halo 3 graphics wise. This is why I know if devs tap into the ps3 hardware which is more advanced then the xbox 360 hardware, u will get mind blowing games. Yes u may say the xbox 360 gpu is more advance then the rsx, but thats when cell comes into play, and the cell also can be used as a gpu, to help out rsx, which puts the rsx above the xbox 360 gpu. If u havent noticed, even early in the ps3's life, it already has impressive looking games that are on par with the xbox 360 and for a system that has been worked on by devs with a years head start over the ps3, already the ps3 is showing that not long from now when third party devs learn how to work with the ps3 hardware just like the ps3 first and second party devs, they will surpass the xbox 360 sooner or later. I give it about 1 and a half years from now, sony will have games that the xbox 360 would only wish it could handle and display. The game that will set the bar in graphics will be MGS4 for console games, I guarantee that Kojima will not dissapoint. He never has and he is one of the best devs in the world, yes even greater then Cliffy B, "FACT". :)
GameArtGuy
not trying to disagree with you but from a multiplat viewpoint the ps3 will always suffer, because devs will always make their games for 360 first and then quickly port then to PC due to the plataforms similar architecture
on the other hand, all ps3 exclusives can be better than 360 exclusives due to ps3's different architcture
Â
Youre right, its powerful and does have the upper hand in processing power out of all the systems. What i was trying to say though is the cell is NOT this super powerful processor like a lot of people on this board seem to think it is. "The power of the CELL" is just one of the most ignorant statements one here can say as its really just slightly better than the 360 and/or PC multicore units. The fact is most people are thinking of the cell as something outrageously powerful that is 2,5, or 10x more powerful than anything else... and its just simply not. Its a really good, and really efficient, and really cool running processor granted, but its not SkyNet.
One thing that always comes to mind whenever the idea of "ps3 will just take longer to look better" is the fact that the 360 is aimed towards about 5-5.5 years, and the ps3 (according to Big K) is aimed towards a TEN year life span. Will the CELL upperhand be unlocked before the new 360 comes out with a granted better than the cell processor (MS is now developing it internal) or will it be after? Its really a good and a bad for both parties. 360 fans will need a new console sooner, but ps3 fans will be running on "outdated" (not by much) hardware.
There is no way Sony really expects the PS3 to last 10 years. If you believe that, I have a massive bridge to sell you. Look at what the next generation of consoles MIGHT look like (my own hypothetical, yet realistic prediction). Remember...this is 4 years from now...an eternity in computer tecnology terms...meaning that the parts required to make this system will be much cheaper than we can imagine right now.
first and foremost, DX 10 with a much faster GPU, and at least 128 MB embedded VRAM of some type.
Possibly a Quadcore Processor, or a more advanced Cell, each core running at 4 GHZ
1 GIGABYTE of RAM
4 to 6 Megabytes of Shares L2 Cache
Â
You are gonna tell me...that is Microsoft or Nintendo (maybe they would?) created a console like this, capable of blowing the PS3s graphics completely out of the water, that Sony would just sit back and STILL say that their console is supposed to last them another 4 years? PLEASE....They would TOTALLY make the PS4 right there just to be able to compete.
When it comes to computer hardware, you need some common sense. You cant EVER assume that your hardware can last 10 years without being outdated. I mean other than the Cell and the Blu Ray , there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING even remotely cutting edge about the PS3. Its just like the other console in every other aspect. It takes more than a processor and MEdia Format to make acomputer last more than 10 years. The practical approach is that of Microsoft and Nintendo, each in their own way. So far, they have done everything absolutely right...and they are both ahead of the PS3 for that reason. To assume that they made a bad decision on the longevity of their consoles is a little naive. its much better to try to keep the console affordable, yet give it enough of a life span to appease customers. Â
Sony didnt make theirs affordable, and saying that it should last 10 years is a flat out lie. They dont even believe that. Cuz like I said, as soon as Microsoft and Nintendo put out their new ones, sony will be FORCED to do the same, or stay behind. It doesnt take a genius to realize thatÂ
[QUOTE="GameArtGuy"][QUOTE="FireFalkon"][QUOTE="squallff8_fan"]Yes that may be true, but true fact for sure, is the cell processor is more advanced then the xbox 360, if it wasnt then developers would already know how to work with the ps3 hardware, and when u do build an engine strictly for the ps3, the outcome of it is dead gorgeous for example.
Almost every xbox 360 game we seen so far that has beautiful graphics uses the unreal engine 3 where as for ps3 games just look at what Insomniac has done with RFOM using there own engine with RFOM for a launch game and now look at Ratchet and Clank. Also Motorstorm doesnt even use the unreal engine and look how beautiful that game is. Naughty Dog's Uncharted Drake's FOrtune is right up there with any of the best looking games to date and using there own engine. Heavenly Sword is also amazing and using its own engine. And we all know Final Fantasy 13, MGS4, GT5, and God Of War 3 will all be stunning and set the bar for graphics and all of them aint even using the unreal engine. Reason I bring this up is because look at halo 3, MS is best franchise game, finally bungie doesnt want to rely on unreal engine but look at how the game looks at its beta. Even Uncharte Drake's Fortune in its alpha stage is more impressive then halo 3 graphics wise. This is why I know if devs tap into the ps3 hardware which is more advanced then the xbox 360 hardware, u will get mind blowing games. Yes u may say the xbox 360 gpu is more advance then the rsx, but thats when cell comes into play, and the cell also can be used as a gpu, to help out rsx, which puts the rsx above the xbox 360 gpu. If u havent noticed, even early in the ps3's life, it already has impressive looking games that are on par with the xbox 360 and for a system that has been worked on by devs with a years head start over the ps3, already the ps3 is showing that not long from now when third party devs learn how to work with the ps3 hardware just like the ps3 first and second party devs, they will surpass the xbox 360 sooner or later. I give it about 1 and a half years from now, sony will have games that the xbox 360 would only wish it could handle and display. The game that will set the bar in graphics will be MGS4 for console games, I guarantee that Kojima will not dissapoint. He never has and he is one of the best devs in the world, yes even greater then Cliffy B, "FACT". :)
menduco76
not trying to disagree with you but from a multiplat viewpoint the ps3 will always suffer, because devs will always make their games for 360 first and then quickly port then to PC due to the plataforms similar architecture
on the other hand, all ps3 exclusives can be better than 360 exclusives due to ps3's different architcture
Â
Youre right, its powerful and does have the upper hand in processing power out of all the systems. What i was trying to say though is the cell is NOT this super powerful processor like a lot of people on this board seem to think it is. "The power of the CELL" is just one of the most ignorant statements one here can say as its really just slightly better than the 360 and/or PC multicore units. The fact is most people are thinking of the cell as something outrageously powerful that is 2,5, or 10x more powerful than anything else... and its just simply not. Its a really good, and really efficient, and really cool running processor granted, but its not SkyNet.
One thing that always comes to mind whenever the idea of "ps3 will just take longer to look better" is the fact that the 360 is aimed towards about 5-5.5 years, and the ps3 (according to Big K) is aimed towards a TEN year life span. Will the CELL upperhand be unlocked before the new 360 comes out with a granted better than the cell processor (MS is now developing it internal) or will it be after? Its really a good and a bad for both parties. 360 fans will need a new console sooner, but ps3 fans will be running on "outdated" (not by much) hardware.
There is no way Sony really expects the PS3 to last 10 years. If you believe that, I have a massive bridge to sell you. Look at what the next generation of consoles MIGHT look like (my own hypothetical, yet realistic prediction). Remember...this is 4 years from now...an eternity in computer tecnology terms...meaning that the parts required to make this system will be much cheaper than we can imagine right now.
first and foremost, DX 10 with a much faster GPU, and at least 128 MB embedded VRAM of some type.
Possibly a Quadcore Processor, or a more advanced Cell, each core running at 4 GHZ
1 GIGABYTE of RAM
4 to 6 Megabytes of Shares L2 Cache
Â
You are gonna tell me...that is Microsoft or Nintendo (maybe they would?) created a console like this, capable of blowing the PS3s graphics completely out of the water, that Sony would just sit back and STILL say that their console is supposed to last them another 4 years? PLEASE....They would TOTALLY make the PS4 right there just to be able to compete.
When it comes to computer hardware, you need some common sense. You cant EVER assume that your hardware can last 10 years without being outdated. I mean other than the Cell and the Blu Ray , there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING even remotely cutting edge about the PS3. Its just like the other console in every other aspect. It takes more than a processor and MEdia Format to make acomputer last more than 10 years. The practical approach is that of Microsoft and Nintendo, each in their own way. So far, they have done everything absolutely right...and they are both ahead of the PS3 for that reason. To assume that they made a bad decision on the longevity of their consoles is a little naive. its much better to try to keep the console affordable, yet give it enough of a life span to appease customers. Â
Sony didnt make theirs affordable, and saying that it should last 10 years is a flat out lie. They dont even believe that. Cuz like I said, as soon as Microsoft and Nintendo put out their new ones, sony will be FORCED to do the same, or stay behind. It doesnt take a genius to realize thatÂ
I'm starting to think I should return my PS3 and wait for the next game console to come out.
Cell BE is designed for a certain use(s) and excels at what it was purposed at. Same goes for the X360's core. In General Computing, you CANNOT use the Cell BE nor the X360's core due to them not complying to some IEEE general computing processor standards (something to do with numerical accuracy or something, not sure. ). Therefore, no accurate comparison can be made, and if one is made, it is not accurate.
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Oh, and 4MB to 6MB L2 Cache, psshh...that's next year for you (Intel's Penryn and Nehalem). Think 12+ MB L2 Cache or more.  Remember, technology progresses EXPONENTIALLY, not linearly. For all we know, we could have some sort of ultra -low latency RAM made out of organic or animal tissue :0. Â
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PS2 lasted 7 years and going it's pretty ignorant to say PS3 might not last that long, Unlike MS Sony don't ditch their consoles.darkmanure
Wrong, Xbox fans moved on to the 360. Xbox devs moved on to the 360. Ps2 fans kept their Ps2s. Ps2 Devs stuck to the Ps2Â
Yeah they abandoned the xbox, xbox fans were forced to move. PS2 fans are not thats why devs still make games for it.
 PS2 is still selling and outselling every console.
[QUOTE="darkmanure"]PS2 lasted 7 years and going it's pretty ignorant to say PS3 might not last that long, Unlike MS Sony don't ditch their consoles.GameArtGuy
Wrong, Xbox fans moved on to the 360. Xbox devs moved on to the 360. Ps2 fans kept their Ps2s. Ps2 Devs stuck to the Ps2
is it just me or did you just support what he just said?[QUOTE="GameArtGuy"][QUOTE="darkmanure"]PS2 lasted 7 years and going it's pretty ignorant to say PS3 might not last that long, Unlike MS Sony don't ditch their consoles.longhorn7
Wrong, Xbox fans moved on to the 360. Xbox devs moved on to the 360. Ps2 fans kept their Ps2s. Ps2 Devs stuck to the Ps2
is it just me or did you just support what he just said?lol :DÂ ... and anyways about the 10 year lifespan... its not farfetched at all.. i was reading some japanese playstation magazines and it also mentioned how both the psp and ps3 are aimed at a 10-yr life cycle... its not surprising at all if you look at how impressive some of the more recent updates are for the ps3/psp... media sharing, remote play w/ psp anywhere in the world. Wheres the 360s updates? i mean nintendo has got its Wii channel. ANyways... dont wanna start an argument with any MS ppl here.... just that i think MS has more or less developed the x360 with a lifespan of about 5-6 yrs.
[QUOTE="GameArtGuy"][QUOTE="darkmanure"]PS2 lasted 7 years and going it's pretty ignorant to say PS3 might not last that long, Unlike MS Sony don't ditch their consoles.longhorn7
Wrong, Xbox fans moved on to the 360. Xbox devs moved on to the 360. Ps2 fans kept their Ps2s. Ps2 Devs stuck to the Ps2
is it just me or did you just support what he just said?No, think about it. Good games where coming out for the Xbox for a good few months after the 360 came out, or directly before. The 360 however has been out for almost a year and a half... Of course by now the Xbox wont have any games. The Ps3 however has only been out for half a year...the ps2 is still moving strong because of that (and the entry barrier to the ps3). Its not either company is dropping their old system, the Xbox HAD to be dropped sooner because the 360 came out a relativly long time ago.
Im gonna say the ps3 is going to have a 8 year life span. I think we can expect the new Xbox with the MS processor in 2009 (or at least announced...).  Â
[QUOTE="squallff8_fan"]Yes that may be true, but true fact for sure, is the cell processor is more advanced then the xbox 360, if it wasnt then developers would already know how to work with the ps3 hardware, and when u do build an engine strictly for the ps3, the outcome of it is dead gorgeous for example.
Almost every xbox 360 game we seen so far that has beautiful graphics uses the unreal engine 3 where as for ps3 games just look at what Insomniac has done with RFOM using there own engine with RFOM for a launch game and now look at Ratchet and Clank. Also Motorstorm doesnt even use the unreal engine and look how beautiful that game is. Naughty Dog's Uncharted Drake's FOrtune is right up there with any of the best looking games to date and using there own engine. Heavenly Sword is also amazing and using its own engine. And we all know Final Fantasy 13, MGS4, GT5, and God Of War 3 will all be stunning and set the bar for graphics and all of them aint even using the unreal engine. Reason I bring this up is because look at halo 3, MS is best franchise game, finally bungie doesnt want to rely on unreal engine but look at how the game looks at its beta. Even Uncharte Drake's Fortune in its alpha stage is more impressive then halo 3 graphics wise. This is why I know if devs tap into the ps3 hardware which is more advanced then the xbox 360 hardware, u will get mind blowing games. Yes u may say the xbox 360 gpu is more advance then the rsx, but thats when cell comes into play, and the cell also can be used as a gpu, to help out rsx, which puts the rsx above the xbox 360 gpu. If u havent noticed, even early in the ps3's life, it already has impressive looking games that are on par with the xbox 360 and for a system that has been worked on by devs with a years head start over the ps3, already the ps3 is showing that not long from now when third party devs learn how to work with the ps3 hardware just like the ps3 first and second party devs, they will surpass the xbox 360 sooner or later. I give it about 1 and a half years from now, sony will have games that the xbox 360 would only wish it could handle and display. The game that will set the bar in graphics will be MGS4 for console games, I guarantee that Kojima will not dissapoint. He never has and he is one of the best devs in the world, yes even greater then Cliffy B, "FACT". :)
FireFalkon
not trying to disagree with you but from a multiplat viewpoint the ps3 will always suffer, because devs will always make their games for 360 first and then quickly port then to PC due to the plataforms similar architecture
on the other hand, all ps3 exclusives can be better than 360 exclusives due to ps3's different architcture
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Two Words....Assassins Creed....Originally built for the PS3 and then ported over. GTAIV.......PS3-MS port over and the've even stated that the MS version of GTAIV will suffer due to the fact of using DVD9
also check this ps3 has 9 cores
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lr-R4bUZIQw
IQT786
Only 6 are operational for the PS3.
[QUOTE="GameArtGuy"][QUOTE="vip3r666"][QUOTE="unkownpain69"]how does the CELL compare to a normal multi core computer processor?
menduco76
its about a lot of times faster :)
Its not really a black and white type of thing. The cell could be better at processing some information, while normal multi cells could be better and processing others.
Its not the mother of all chips like some people seem to think it is... its really just a new type of processor
Exactly. Not to mention, the mother of all processors with only the same amount of RAM available to it as compared to a regular processor really doesnt show much of a difference.
Its funny how people are so easily conviced that the hype a company throws at them to sell systems is the truth. I kinda feel sorry for them really...eventually they will be disapointed. Its much better to take a much more realistic approach and not completely believe everything you hear.
Of course, the majority of people in this thread will say that the Cell is some kind of amazing processor (even though the one in the PS3 is just in order, and not more powerful than an out of order Core 2 Duo 6400)...so the guy asking this question wont really get his question answered appropriately...and end up believing the majority's opinion, which is biased. But whatever. lol
your kidding right, theres no way any cpu that isnt ranked extreme can handle the cell
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