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#51 iboo01
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Most likely 4-5 years
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#52 MusashiSensi
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Its said that the cell processor of the PS3 makes it a console that is too advanced for this era. Developers eventually will learn how to push it to the max, but we know for sure that thats a few years away. With that being said, will the PS3 truly last 10 years as Sony heads claim it will? Your opinion on if you think it will or will not is what I'm interested in reading. This also brings us to when the PS4 is due to hit. I think we will begin to here heavy plans and specs around 2012. Let me know what you think....

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You're what I'd call a true BEAST! PS3 JUST CAME OUT AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PS4?! WHAT THE HECK MAN?! My god! Some of you guys never seem to amaze me.

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#53 elemental_drago
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Looks like I am going to be the first person in this thread to say it. (And I can hardly believe nobody has said it already.)

I do not think there will be a PS4. I do not think that Sony is going to recoup their investment in either hardware or software development on the PS3, ever. It's kind of like Spinal Tap. It's a great movie, has lots of fans, people all over the world love it and when they meet the actors and the director they ask them why they never made another movie. They always tell them that when you make a great movie, and everybody tells you it's a great movie, if your great movie didn't make any money, you don't make a sequel to it.

3ndymion

I can see where you're coming from, but I have to disagree. Nintendo has been the underdog of the last couple generations and they've still come back for more. Sony has been top dog for a bit now, I'm sure they've made enough of a profit to weather the storm. Plus, to be fair, MS has had it's fair share of losses (a reported $1B in repairs alone) but I'm sure they'll be back with yet another console in the next generation too. The reason? 1) can't expect to be leader of the pack every year (you can hope for it, but it'd be quite lucky to pull it off). 2) Sony (and MS) both do more than make consoles (their companies as a whole). Sony is a very, very succesful company. They have the funds to funnel into this project to stay afloat for now. Blu-Ray is also taking off, and they have a hand in that too. Sony doesn't have to lead the race to be succesful, they simply need to sell enough units to make a profit. Once again, look at Nintendo.

It's a little early to claim Sony's demise as of right now. The system is barely turning one year old as is.

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#54 3ndymion
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All some admirable points--but Sony has only a fraction of the liquid assets that Microsoft has. This means that if there is a price war between the two companies, Sony will lose. And Sony has had higher losses to date for their product advancement as well. You might want to point out the billion that Microsoft has laid out for repairs over the lifetime of already-sold 360s, but how does this compare to the almost 2 billion that Sony posted losses for the game division's fiscal year ending March 2007? Sony does a lot of business. In that light they are very successful. But they do not have the assets to maintain losses the way that they have lost on the PS3. Microsoft posted a global net income this past year of 12 billion. Sony? Just barely one billion. Seeing systems on the shelf only one week after launch is something that just did not happen with the 360. This didn't even happen with the PS2. All of the events that have transpired to date put Sony at third place, and developers saw it coming. It is one of the reasons there are fewer games. It's definitely the reason there are fewer games coming, too. Sony doesn't have the money, nor do they year-to-year make the kind of money to combat developers and other partners coming to their senses and going where they can profit.

You don't have to be the leader of the pack to be profitable, Nintendo did it for many years of course, but so does Apple. Where is the third place computer platform? Linux isn't exactly it, being too splintered and ineffective to the consumer. So there IS no third place there, it's a drop off a cliff if you want alternative and you don't want a Macintosh. And the ultimate third-place example, do you remember the TurboGrafx?

Sony's federation of divisions is widely attributed to be a big part of the problem with the PS3. BluRay for games sounds like a good idea and games can always use more memory, but at this point none need it. There is more storage available to BluRay than any game requires or than any team can reasonably develop into a single game given the typical time-frame for release schedules. Oblivion for the PC has more content available with mods, with higher resolution textures and full-featured surround sound audio than you will ever play on the PS3 (or the 360), I just looked at my installation and with things like Qarl's texture enhancement pack and a tonne more of content, additional quests, audio, etc. it was all less than 7.8GB. This fits handily on a DVD. It's clear BluRay was done for movies on the PS3, and this hurt the PS3 as a game machine, when it brought on delays for the PAL market and even fewer units to the earlier launch in other regions than anticipated. And there were STILL units sitting on shelves, only a week after its debut. The price-drop is nothing but a fire-sale on the original model which will not come back once it is gone, Sony very likely has about as many units sitting in warehouses as they have already sold to take the prices south this soon, and the thing is still vastly expensive in other key markets (Europe/PAL). Yes, Sony is very successful, but the game division is not more recently, and the PS2 will not continue to support the PS3 like a proverbial crutch going into next year as more games are moving to other newer platforms that are growing while that one diminishes. Because Sony is so segmented between their electronics, computers, games, movie production, etc. it is a LOT easier for them to pull out of any one market or to drastically alter their m.o. if they ever need to. The analyst gamespot interviewed knows this, and sees signs of it happening already. Not enough proof for you? Why don't I have a PS2 memory card slot under the flap in my PS3 for free? Answer: So you can buy Sony's adapter for more $. Why do they have a memory stick slot there instead? Answer: they're pushing another format again. Why did they have to develop yet another optical format for use with the PSP? They already had MD and Hi-MD discs. No, they wanted to lock you in to another format, one that they could control for their portable movie format, and the PSP suffers because of it similarly to the PS3 with BluRay.

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#55 gioiscool2
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what i think is that we shouldnt even been thinking about a ps4 for now, i mean comon! we have a great system and its brand new, lets see what it can do and most of all lest enjoy it! thats my thought about this coment! halla
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#56 fishdog1619
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i gaurentee this will be sony's last console they r moving away from that scene
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#57 The_Exculpator
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Im already busy enough with the ps3! Playstation 4!!! AGH MY HEAD!!! IT HUUUURRRTSS!!!

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#58 Sk8ter_213
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i'm guessing 2014

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#59 gizmo_logix
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All some admirable points--but Sony has only a fraction of the liquid assets that Microsoft has. This means that if there is a price war between the two companies, Sony will lose. 3ndymion
Your forgetting a big factor. Brand loyalty. This not about blind following. But personal choice! Some people like Lexus. Others like Chevy. There are real personal reasons that people like products from one company over another. Price wars are only part of. In fact, M$ could lower their price to $299 and Sony could drop their price to $399 and the PS3 would sell more. Bank on it. Why would someone pay more a so called "alternative" is available for less? Personal value. Oh, and there's also hatred of Microsoft. That's undeniable. And before you bring up Sony hatred. I bet I can find more Microsoft haters than Sony haters. This is very similar to why people love Honda and Toyota. Brand loyalty.
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#60 csqwared
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w[QUOTE="gizmo_logix"][QUOTE="KraigA"]the rams not good enough to make the ps3 last..marth678

The RAM is only an issue if you write code for a PC/360. The Cell/RSX architecture doesn't work like the PC/360. The Cell's SPUs do a lot of pre and post processing. And once the devs start to get better use of these SPUs you'll start to see the longevity of the PS3. If the PC/360 is ALL YOU KNOW. Of course it's "hard" to learn the PS3. But this is very typical of American thinking. They think that the world revolves around them. Using a little country slang.... There's more than one way to skin a cat.

wtf how do you know hes american, also what does that have to do with the ps3, imamerican and i dont think the world revolves around me, typical every where else in the world to hate on america

i agree man, why the hell do you people all make fun of americans... its really gettin old... and im sure that some kid from england, or wherever the hell your from has said something about wanting ps4... so shut the hell up man... and honestly ps4 wont be out for at least 7 years... for all the reasons posted above
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#61 gizmo_logix
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i'm guessing 2014

Sk8ter_213
Yep. Around there. 2012-13. That's around 5 1/2 years for the PS3.
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#62 Deyee
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The Playstation 4 launch will be within a year of the next Xbox launch. Technology is ALWAYS moving forward.
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#63 libthegod
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2012.........

The PS3 will still be going strong all the way to 2015 though, then it will eventually fade. *crystal ball told me*

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#64 opi-14
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uh....I think about I will retire for spending videogames. I feel I'm older! i will keep my collection games and play for my rest life!

GOOD LUCK FOR YOUR LIFE!

opi-14

Let me think.... If PS4 be out then I will retire to spend videogames that my plan....I will keep to play my PS3 is good enough for me. I'm happy with PS3. I know Sony also successful console on videogame.

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#65 rogerjak
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I want PS9 :o

But srsly, PS3 isn't out for an year yet and we are already talking about PS4? come on!

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#66 sunkyour-ship
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I believe that Sony will not be releasing the PS4 for a long while because it will take time to harness the sheer power of the PS3. The Ps3 is the only true next generation console because it is the only of the three that sports a next generation disc drive and the other consoles will need to add that as a standard feature. Also, with the amount of potential left in the PS3's hardware, Sony will not need to make a PS4 when the "xbox 720 and wII" (or whatever they will be called) come out.

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#67 Amnesiac23
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wow. I'm amazed that people are taking this topic so serisously and getting upset over it. Come on, it's a topic for fun :P
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#68 sunkyour-ship
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everybody loves a good heated conversation full of logic and facts! ....:cry:
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#69 gabwa007
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Think they should rebrand Playstation ? Playstation 4 sounds kind of silly.
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#70 MusashiSensi
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Looks like I am going to be the first person in this thread to say it. (And I can hardly believe nobody has said it already.)

I do not think there will be a PS4. I do not think that Sony is going to recoup their investment in either hardware or software development on the PS3, ever. It's kind of like Spinal Tap. It's a great movie, has lots of fans, people all over the world love it and when they meet the actors and the director they ask them why they never made another movie. They always tell them that when you make a great movie, and everybody tells you it's a great movie, if your great movie didn't make any money, you don't make a sequel to it.

3ndymion

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?! You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. They will/might take a different approach next time, but not another system? Right! Yea! SURE!

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#71 3ndymion
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Did you even read the article?
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#72 Dante865
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IMHO - I think the PS4 is already here, lying deep within the bowels of the PS3, Cell Processor - Just a few years, let Unreal Engine4 hit, you'll drop your jaw in awe... thats how powerful i think the PS3 is
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#73 Benny_Blakk
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I am very glad that so many people had few reserves on their opinion on the original topic, though some went another direction with it (arguing specs and dev techniques). For the record, I am more than happy with my PS3 and the only reason I brought this up in the first place is cuz i was looking at it from the responsible adult standpoint....you know...when you get your check, that money is "already spent"? preparing for the next. A lot of you took this too seriously, whining that its "wrong" to discuss this. I don't recall standing outside with a picket sign demanding a PS4 to be relased right now! but, all in all, no matter your views, its an interesting topic. I just know that technology continues to get closer to what was only fantasy 50 years ago. I just hope i live long enough to see one of Star Treck's holodecks!:P

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#74 sony4evababy
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You guys are all miss leading man everyone here is mostly just saying that MS next gen console will be better than the PS4 dont be dum everyone first of all needs to relaize that wher still in this gen ok and time hasnt passed yet the PS3 is just getting to it peaks which means people are starting to see how much this system does the true potiensial of a console xbox 360 was lucky becasue they got a year to get games but what people where buy the 360s for was the all anticipated Halo 3 game well its out and it over but think now that the halo tririlogy is done whats microsoft gonna do now they arent going to having any good games for a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng time. Well if ur worried about the ps3 games dont cry the console war isnt over yet its just begon the ps3 is without a doubt awsome but all i hear people compalin about it is that its to expensive or it has no games wow big deal its gonna kick ass this year of 2008 well going back to the topic of the ps4 now i know that MS is planning to launch it in 2010 but i think sony will not launch thers because they want to make the best console any one will ever see but that takes time and not a simple two or three years like microsoft is doing with there product now dont get me miss leading i for one am a microsoft fan when it comes to there computers but not at all their gaming consoles. Now thers one thing that i think is going to be a propblem mostly for microsft but not for sony the problem is nintendo now your think oh wow nintendo im so scared well you will be because this gen the brought out the wii which is the best console that we have ever seen with motion sensig gaming will just think the next gen what if they make incrdiable graphics then MS is screwed cause a motion sensing game with cool graphics and who knows what else they will make i mean come on all microsoft is planning to make is just liek the 360 a controller gaming console that has a good online server well thats not going to work anymore. Now im not at all worried about sony because ive been with them since the start best dam company i ever spent my money. The PS4 im sure as you can think many possiblites of what it will look like and what it will be able to do who knows what if the ps4 is the first gaming console to go vertuale i mena gameimg is becoming reality as you all know who knows whats in store for use in time only time can tell so right now just enjoy this gen and we will see what happens in the next gen. I for one know that when the next gen is here i will buy all of this new console because i will not be poor no affensive people im syaing that i will have a job and be able to afford all of this future stuff dam all of you man wher stillin this gen dont ruin it for others you guys make peopel not buy anything because you guys talk about stuff ahead of our time i mean come on if ur always looking for new stuff you will never be satidfied youno why cause their will always be new stuff in the making this is life its not a game it how things work when something breaks you go replace it not whenever something newcomes out oh well o hope this has helped youpeople.
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#75 Soulreaver9
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first off nobody in their right mind is gonna read that great wall of text. Secondly great job of bringing up a 5 month old thread.
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#76 True-Legend86
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If sony wants it to last 10years, it will. Facts to back it up, look at the PS1....PS2 is still going strong into its 8th year. And i think that a very good think sony has planned, that way it gives the people who can't afford it now to get it late in its life time....
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#78 fgjnfgh
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We won't see it unless Sony has a good sales from the ps3
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#79 fgjnfgh
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I won't read that
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#80 stickstick86
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who da heck cares about ps4...enjoy the ps3!!!
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#81 IppotheFighter
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Im happy with my ps3 right now.But lets hope when ps4 does come out that sony actually try and keep their exclusives and not let m$ buy them.All microsoft did was divide the gamers, sony was the winner between n64 and xbox and soon to be 360.The ones that lose out are the gamers, because now we have to waste money on 2 consoles instead of one.
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#82 Akira345
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Actually sony has already plans for playstation 4, 5 and even 6! This became clear when Ken Kutagari gave an interview for EE Times. " Playstation 3 is on the market so we can speak freely for the next Sony steps",states Kutagari.He revealed that he has already plans for playstation 4, 5 and even 6- each one of them will be network ariented. i found and translate some from this article- http://www.sandanski.us/index.php?news=363.

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#83 FlauM
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I can't beleive we're even having this conversation. ps3 hasnt been out for a year yet...Sephiroth228

Didn't it come out in November 2006 in Japan, North America, and Asia?

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#84 mbrockway
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Actually sony has already plans for playstation 4, 5 and even 6! This became clear when Ken Kutagari gave an interview for EE Times. " Playstation 3 is on the market so we can speak freely for the next Sony steps",states Kutagari.He revealed that he has already plans for playstation 4, 5 and even 6- each one of them will be network ariented. i found and translate some from this article- http://www.sandanski.us/index.php?news=363.

Akira345

Yeah, too bad he got promoted all the way out of Sony CE. His plans are officially crap now. Who the heck took over hardware development, anyways? Its sad to think, but what if there isn't even anyone there planning for this? We've known about Cell since the PS2 came out, without Ken who the heck are we gonna look to?

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#85 elms1
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Just face it... the playstation 3 is the most amazing piece of hardware on the console market. Now that the software push will come you will start to notice.
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#86 Sokol4ever
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PlayStation 3 is here to stay and will provide the same great experience we had since PS1 area.

Ignoring that fact is more then foolish.

Once PS4 is ready, it will be released. Sony always went their own way when setting standarts, today and future is no different.

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#87 truenextgen
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My guess would be 2012 or 2013. Same for all three companies. 2011 at the earliest seeing how tech will change for some. And some are going to grow old fast. And now the long development times, and years of learning systems. No one is going to bring out something new and start that all over anytime soon. If you brought a new system in, by the time it got established again! It would be 2 years after or more. Thats why this will be one of the longest system races ever. Its also the reason why 2009 and 2010 are so much more important than 2007 and 2008.
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#88 B-k2020
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U r so right,hey u know what I gotta say somethin' I didn't even get my Ps3,all I got is a nice little Ps2 and tht is it,so can all of u get satisfied with what he got,besides I think the ps3 is gonna kick it up to12 hole years.
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#89 kweeni
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dude ps3 just started, i personally don't want to see a ps4 in like atleast 5 years or so
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#90 yokofox33
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U r so right,hey u know what I gotta say somethin' I didn't even get my Ps3,all I got is a nice little Ps2 and tht is it,so can all of u get satisfied with what he got,besides I think the ps3 is gonna kick it up to12 hole years.B-k2020

Dude, I know you're new here, but dang. You just bumbed a massively old thread. That's a no-no.

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#91 GANGSTASAN
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Eh, this is my theory if it makes you feel any better...

PS1 Released in US 1995.

Ps2 came out in the US 5 years after, so 2000

PS3 came out 6 years after, so 2006 (US)

PS4 may come put in 7 years after, so 2013 (US)

As for Europe they got the console about 6 months later or so. Probably 2014 for Europe.

Just an estimate though.

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#92 groundgamer
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I don't want a PS4 just yet, and there won't be either. I hope they wait about 4 years atleast, cause' the PS3 is just fine.
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#93 double_heist
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Before 10 years pass.
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#94 Dante_May_Die
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Its said that the cell processor of the PS3 makes it a console that is too advanced for this era. Developers eventually will learn how to push it to the max, but we know for sure that thats a few years away. With that being said, will the PS3 truly last 10 years as Sony heads claim it will? Your opinion on if you think it will or will not is what I'm interested in reading. This also brings us to when the PS4 is due to hit. I think we will begin to here heavy plans and specs around 2012. Let me know what you think....

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STOP THE PS4 THREADS I JUST BOUGHT MY PS3 FFS!!!
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#95 VinPal_94
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I don't think that there will be a new game console released for a few years (at least 3 imo). If there would be one, it probably wouldn't be Sony since the PS3 was the last of the next/present gen consoles.

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#96 Furi-Kun
Member since 2007 • 10903 Posts

Post this in the Playstation 4 forum.

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#97 double_heist
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[QUOTE="Akira345"]

Actually sony has already plans for playstation 4, 5 and even 6! This became clear when Ken Kutagari gave an interview for EE Times. " Playstation 3 is on the market so we can speak freely for the next Sony steps",states Kutagari.He revealed that he has already plans for playstation 4, 5 and even 6- each one of them will be network ariented. i found and translate some from this article- http://www.sandanski.us/index.php?news=363.

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Yeah, too bad he got promoted all the way out of Sony CE. His plans are officially crap now. Who the heck took over hardware development, anyways? Its sad to think, but what if there isn't even anyone there planning for this? We've known about Cell since the PS2 came out, without Ken who the heck are we gonna look to?

Kaz Hirai. I dunno, but he seems kinda good though... And they did a reorganization the entire department. All I know Ken Kutaragi was pretty "controversial" during PS3's release. Oh and he did make the PS2 a platform hard to develop for though if i remember correctly.
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#98 blank33
Member since 2005 • 1896 Posts

Dear Tc, (stop)

The Ps3 is only a forth of the way through its life cycle. (stop)

Nobody knows. (stop)

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#99 raven_squad
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2012. It's so powerful, it marks the end of the human race. Those 2012 theories aren't jokes people. Heed them.
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#100 XxTerryH15xX
Member since 2008 • 172 Posts

how about never