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#1 heretic92
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so wat if the new ps3 40gb doesnt have ps2 compatability? i dont even play my ps2 games on my 60gb atm, if ur so worried dont buy it and stick with a ps2.

or u could buy this new ps3 and then some of the november games like army of two assassins creed and haze aswell as getting resitance and then ULL FORGET ABOUT PS2 GAMES FOREVER bwa hahaha

IMO this new console is great atm ive used my card reader once on my 60gig, and i only use 2 usb ports atm anyway, the most important thing the new console has going for it (over the core) is that it still has wifi

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#2 destructo888
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i don't really care BUT does it really cost Sony anything to put in SOFTWARE EMULATION
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#3 Red_26
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same here, people should stop complaining and hell i bet half the people tht are gonna buy 40 gb ps3 probebly already have ps2s
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#4 danjammer69
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I am sure there is a cost to software emulation. Think about it, anything that has to be implemented millions of times over has got to have a substantial cost associated with it. While it may not be an actual piece of hardware, it has got to add up.

And for the record, I NEVER play any of my PS2 games on my 60GB. I have moved on.

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#5 nosedive51
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It's not even a question of if I care about backwards compatibility the problem is that's is just another lie/flip flop on the, all ready huge, Sony pile of lies/flip flops. What's next?
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#6 cell1138
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hell even with my 60 gb ps3 i still play ALL of my ps2games on my ps2. why? i have no idea.
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#7 RainWest
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Um....I care....

I support the PS3 100%, but im not sure I can just...forget the 50+ ps2 games ive collected over the years. Also considering the new ps2 games are $50 when I bought them....do the math. It's 2,500 dollars; not something i can just 'forget' about.

SO yeah, I want a ps3.....no...I will not sacrifice backwards compatability.

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#8 GIJames248
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Um....I care....

I support the PS3 100%, but im not sure I can just...forget the 50+ ps2 games ive collected over the years. Also considering the new ps2 games are $50 when I bought them....do the math. It's 2,500 dollars; not something i can just 'forget' about.

SO yeah, I want a ps3.....no...I will not sacrifice backwards compatability.

RainWest

I agree, especially after Sony made fun of MS over the sames thing and talked about how important it is. But it is really funny to watch all of the Sony fanboys brush it off after ridiculing MS for only offering partial backwards compatibility, which is better than Sony who just ditched it entirely.

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#9 ghettokid15
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[QUOTE="RainWest"]

Um....I care....

I support the PS3 100%, but im not sure I can just...forget the 50+ ps2 games ive collected over the years. Also considering the new ps2 games are $50 when I bought them....do the math. It's 2,500 dollars; not something i can just 'forget' about.

SO yeah, I want a ps3.....no...I will not sacrifice backwards compatability.

GIJames248

I agree, especially after Sony made fun of MS over the sames thing and talked about how important it is. But it is really funny to watch all of the Sony fanboys brush it off after ridiculing MS for only offering partial backwards compatibility, which is better than Sony who just ditched it entirely.

sony has given everybody a chance to get 60gig which i think it the best one out of the 3 and plus they might be price drop by 50 bucks for the existeing 60 so if u really want to keep on playing yr ps2 games try to save up for the 60gig or keep yr ps2 and u have choice to get 3 existeing ps3 40g,60g, or 80g and i wouldnt be surprise if they 80gig will go down by next year or something like that

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#10 G-Legend
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same here, people should stop complaining and hell i bet half the people tht are gonna buy 40 gb ps3 probebly already have ps2sRed_26

Exactly. The problem with why they took out SE is this. At first they had EE/GS which is what the first 60GB adopters have. Then they took out EE because it was costing them money that they could save on. So they took out EE and made software emulation, but see the software emulation was working because of the GS and that allowed them to upscale PS/PS2 games as well. Then I guess they realized taking out GS (if you have a problem keep your PS2 the 40GB isn't that expensive), cutting 2 USB ports (you only really need 2 if your using your PS3 to play games), and taking out the SD readers and memory slots (which I only ever used once), helped them cut the price without sacrificing, Blu-Ray, HDMI and Wifi which are the best PS3 things.

Look at it this way you guys wanted a cheaper model and al ot of people didn't care for the extra features this allows you to just sit down and play your PS3 games. you don't buy a PS3 to play PS2 so stop babying and whining. You want to play PS2 keep your damn PS2.

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#11 ghettokid15
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amen preach it
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I don't think Sony will be dropping the software emulation because it would cost more to releases two seperate firmware updates on two seperate consoles.
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#13 nosedive51
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[QUOTE="RainWest"]

Um....I care....

I support the PS3 100%, but im not sure I can just...forget the 50+ ps2 games ive collected over the years. Also considering the new ps2 games are $50 when I bought them....do the math. It's 2,500 dollars; not something i can just 'forget' about.

SO yeah, I want a ps3.....no...I will not sacrifice backwards compatability.

GIJames248

I agree, especially after Sony made fun of MS over the sames thing and talked about how important it is. But it is really funny to watch all of the Sony fanboys brush it off after ridiculing MS for only offering partial backwards compatibility, which is better than Sony who just ditched it entirely.

Very well said.
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#14 Vyse_Legends
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Well I like it. My PS2 is dead and thanks to the EE I can play all my old favorites(and something to hold me over to all the games I want on the PS3 arrive).
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#15 Knivez0r
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If you have PS2 games you have a Ps2. Besides my PS2 is right beside my PS3 cuz i use swap magic...for backups only. - cough -
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#16 planbfreak4eva
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in the beggining i think many people played ps2 games on ps3...but after i played some ps3 games i just cant go back to play ps2 games on ps3...so there is no big deal for me...and for few others aswell...
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#17 clarkportmanken
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me too i like playing ps2 games upscaled on my ps3 plus i feel bad for all those individual that were deciding between a ps2 and a ps3, there decision got a bit tougher. But it was a tough decision for sony to make and really no matter what they took out it would have disspointed people, but thats the way buisness is you can't please everyone.
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#18 Vendrena
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if you want a ps3 with BC then get the 80gb and stop complaining but for the people who just want to play ps3 games or play blu rays with a very low price then get the 40gb. IMO its a really good idea, but i'll still take the 60gb or 80gb as i like having bc, but i'm mainly buying a ps3 for PS3 games (duh) if i don't get BC then i'll use my ps2. But really people need to grow up and stop compaling, if your low on money then get the 40gb and use your ps2 for ps2 games.
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#19 Terami
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[QUOTE="RainWest"]

Um....I care....

I support the PS3 100%, but im not sure I can just...forget the 50+ ps2 games ive collected over the years. Also considering the new ps2 games are $50 when I bought them....do the math. It's 2,500 dollars; not something i can just 'forget' about.

SO yeah, I want a ps3.....no...I will not sacrifice backwards compatability.

GIJames248

I agree, especially after Sony made fun of MS over the sames thing and talked about how important it is. But it is really funny to watch all of the Sony fanboys brush it off after ridiculing MS for only offering partial backwards compatibility, which is better than Sony who just ditched it entirely.

It's still important, it's just not included in one sku. It's ok for 360 to have multiple sku's with different options but when Sony does it, it's a bad thing? And MS has never "ditched" anything, eh? *coughs* Xbox *coughs*
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#20 digidrive
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The success of the PlayStation platforms has led to a fantastic library of games. To remove the compatability on the PS3 is to make it incompatible with the entire PlayStation library that we have today. It's like they put an end to it. I am supposed to believe that all the games I have collected, and still play from time to time are suddenly not good enough to be played. Good games are always good games. So enough about how BC is not needed. If you just want to play the newest games you can always do so, if you want to play all the games you like you won't be doing it on the new PS3 model.

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#21 GlassDominion
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i think they should have left the ps2 compatibility (by software or hardware...the method doesnt matter).

my ps2 has been broken for years, as such many many ps2 games i wanted were never bought. now that i have a ps3 (60 gig) ive spent about 200 hours on ps2 titles alone. i was happy to spend an extra 100 dollars to get the 60gig, but what about those who are unsure of the ps3 and want in at a lower price point? sucks for them cause they dont want to spend 500 on a gaming system? i see no real reason for the back compat to be dropped.

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#22 PSP107
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[QUOTE="RainWest"]

Um....I care....

I support the PS3 100%, but im not sure I can just...forget the 50+ ps2 games ive collected over the years. Also considering the new ps2 games are $50 when I bought them....do the math. It's 2,500 dollars; not something i can just 'forget' about.

SO yeah, I want a ps3.....no...I will not sacrifice backwards compatability.

GIJames248

I agree, especially after Sony made fun of MS over the sames thing and talked about how important it is. But it is really funny to watch all of the Sony fanboys brush it off after ridiculing MS for only offering partial backwards compatibility, which is better than Sony who just ditched it entirely.

This is 2 the reason i hate when ppl say stuff lile "why should u care about BC"

BC was the best thing that happen to consoles and now is standard.

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#23 radioioRobert
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Here's a Quote from SONY's Phil Harrison...

"Backwards compatibility, as you know from PlayStation One and PlayStation 2, is a core value of what we believe we should offer. And access to the library of content people have created, bought for themselves, and accumulated over the years is necessary to create a format. PlayStation is a format meaning that it transcends many devices -- PSOne, PS2, and now PS3." - Phil Harrison, SONY, December 2006 to Gamepro

Source: http://www.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=55108

To shut the door on nearly 115 million potential PS2 customers make no sense whatsoever ... why upgrade to a system that won't play your hugePS2 collection? But it will play your PSX games? Yes ... I still have PSX games (I play them on my PS2).

EVERY Ps3 should allow the user to free up the space taken up by the ps2, so you still have room foryour Wii60.

I can't wait to see the return line the day after Christmas when peoplerealize these won't play Ps2 games, evenwith emulation.

GREAT move Sony, almost asgood as packaging it with the AWFUL Spiderman 3. Good Job!

RIP (prediction for the PS3)

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#24 Velric
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Alright, lets dispell some untruths here for the moment.

Yes, the 40GB cannot play PS2 games but it can play PS1 games. Also, software emulation is going to be available, but without the extra chipset the 80GB is using to process the current emulations, it is going to require new firmware to be produced. It is going to be a much slower process and might never be that exciting.

With that said, I am glad I have the 60GB. I would never want a system that didn't offer BC.

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#25 stygiansanity
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I can understand why people would want to be able to play their PS2 games on the PS3, but what I don't get is now that Sony has ditched support for the PS2 games everyone is so quick to agree that it's not needed, where as just a few weeks ago the PS2 games were used as a reason to actually own a PS3.
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#26 PSP107
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Here's a Quote from SONY's Phil Harrison...

"Backwards compatibility, as you know from PlayStation One and PlayStation 2, is a core value of what we believe we should offer. And access to the library of content people have created, bought for themselves, and accumulated over the years is necessary to create a format. PlayStation is a format meaning that it transcends many devices -- PSOne, PS2, and now PS3." - Phil Harrison, SONY, December 2006 to Gamepro

Source: http://www.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=55108

To shut the door on nearly 115 million potential PS2 customers make no sense whatsoever ... why upgrade to a system that won't play your hugePS2 collection? But it will play your PSX games? Yes ... I still have PSX games (I play them on my PS2).

EVERY Ps3 should allow the user to free up the space taken up by the ps2, so you still have room foryour Wii60.

I can't wait to see the return line the day after Christmas when peoplerealize these won't play Ps2 games, evenwith emulation.

GREAT move Sony, almost asgood as packaging it with the AWFUL Spiderman 3. Good Job!

RIP (prediction for the PS3)

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Phil Harrison is the same guy who said rumble was last gen. I wonder what will he say about BC.

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I care. This is what put SOny ahead of everyone else. The fact that what game you would want to play on the new system you could. This is something Sony made part of the package. Yes its all about the future and what they need to do to improve, but at the same time they need to keep a strong hold on the past and keep backwards compatability. Its needed for Sony cause this is something they prided thermselves on not us.

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Phil Harrison is the same guy who said rumble was last gen. I wonder what will he say about BC.PSP107

dont attack phil, hes just a spoksman

and hes really good at it, i saw an interview where they were asking questions that went below the belt and he was able to keep his cool and give some excelent replies.

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#29 senjutsu
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I'm not playing my ps2 games on my ps3... hell, my ps2 games are not even "real" copy, so err, my ps3 can't really run them anyway, lol. After years and years of buying all the games, I started copying those, so I don't really care... the last I've bought is FF12 and I only bought it because I like squeenix :D Anyway, it's not like I'd play ps2 games on the ps3. I tryed with gran turismo 3 but the grpahics were so UGLY that I downloaded GT HD instead, lol.
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#30 meischris39
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I care and i think its totally ridiculous to take out Software emulation, after all how much does it cost to run an emulator, absolutely nothing. Its the R&D that costs and thats already taken care of. Big mistake Sony
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#31 PSP107
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[QUOTE="PSP107"]Phil Harrison is the same guy who said rumble was last gen. I wonder what will he say about BC.GlassDominion

dont attack phil, hes just a spoksman

and hes really good at it, i saw an interview where they were asking questions that went below the belt and he was able to keep his cool and give some excelent replies.

yeah but the words he chose felt like he really meant that rumble was last gen.

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#32 GlassDominion
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[QUOTE="GlassDominion"]

[QUOTE="PSP107"]Phil Harrison is the same guy who said rumble was last gen. I wonder what will he say about BC.PSP107

dont attack phil, hes just a spoksman

and hes really good at it, i saw an interview where they were asking questions that went below the belt and he was able to keep his cool and give some excelent replies.

yeah but the words he chose felt like he really meant that rumble was last gen.

but they havent exactly gone back on that have they? the ps3 is being shipped with the sixaxis controllers. only now they offer the dual shock 3 with rumble for those who would like it. its not something dumb like redesigning their console to have a new video out connector, and call it the same system *cough xbox pro now shipping with hdmi*

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#34 tHeFuTuReHeAd
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its a fair point, ive got a ps2 atm, and i hardly ever play ps1 games on it. i do have to wonder why theres ps1 compatibility and not ps2, why not the other way round, i suppose its a cost thing.
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The success of the PlayStation platforms has led to a fantastic library of games. To remove the compatability on the PS3 is to make it incompatible with the entire PlayStation library that we have today. It's like they put an end to it. I am supposed to believe that all the games I have collected, and still play from time to time are suddenly not good enough to be played. Good games are always good games. So enough about how BC is not needed. If you just want to play the newest games you can always do so, if you want to play all the games you like you won't be doing it on the new PS3 model.

digidrive

BC is important only to those who have games they still want to play through and had a ps2. Don't forget all the new ps3 owners who don't own a ps2 or ps1 etc... They may not care to go back and catch up on past games (maybe one reason they didn't own a ps2)

As time goes on and more PS3 games come out BC does become less relevant. I agree it's important and there are still clear options to buy a model with BC. IMO the 40g with no bc is a nice package for those looking to jump into this gen rather than last.

After a couple years how many people played ps1 games on their ps2? I'm sure a fair amount but a lot were also like myself, never owned a ps1 and didn't paticularly care to try and catch up from the begining of ps1, I simply enjoyed ps2 and only ps2.

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#36 stickstick86
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i dont care...i have played and finished all the 10.0 games that the ps2 have, now is time to move on...

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#37 TinyuslessMicro
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No one. Im the dude that wrote about it meaning nothing to 90% of the users. But 100% of the bashes will use it to either brag on their system, or bash another. Thats all it is is a brag point. And if some feels the need to even start psot on it, I guarantee the point is not so they can play old games. I never go "Hay my PS3 plays Daxter 1." If im that bored to have to play that game, I plug in the PS2.
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#38 NielsNL
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I think any company has the right to offer their potential customers two different products at different prices of which the cheaper one has more limitations. I would be more than happy to pay more for a system with the 60GB version's perks, but I'm sure there are a lot of people who don't care about BC but like the fact that there's a cheaper way of getting themselves a PS3. Now Sony caters to both types of customers.
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[QUOTE="GIJames248"][QUOTE="RainWest"]

Um....I care....

I support the PS3 100%, but im not sure I can just...forget the 50+ ps2 games ive collected over the years. Also considering the new ps2 games are $50 when I bought them....do the math. It's 2,500 dollars; not something i can just 'forget' about.

SO yeah, I want a ps3.....no...I will not sacrifice backwards compatability.

ghettokid15

I agree, especially after Sony made fun of MS over the sames thing and talked about how important it is. But it is really funny to watch all of the Sony fanboys brush it off after ridiculing MS for only offering partial backwards compatibility, which is better than Sony who just ditched it entirely.

sony has given everybody a chance to get 60gig which i think it the best one out of the 3 and plus they might be price drop by 50 bucks for the existeing 60 so if u really want to keep on playing yr ps2 games try to save up for the 60gig or keep yr ps2 and u have choice to get 3 existeing ps3 40g,60g, or 80g and i wouldnt be surprise if they 80gig will go down by next year or something like that

not everyone only north america got the 60gb PS3 that has backward compatibility

and i care about that cause i never had a PS2 and now i'll never get that chance to play all the tiles i missed. and its just ridiculous to own a PS3 yet i still have to buy a PS2 to play PS2 games on it, thats just crazy

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#40 K-E316
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I dont care about BC too. But some ppl like it cus if ur ps2 is dead you can play them on ur PS3.
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#41 outbreak201
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40 gb ps3 doesnt have ps2 backwards compatibility? how about ps1? THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE !!!1
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#42 NielsNL
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It has PS1 BC. Read the topic before you post.
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#43 power-baron
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so wat if the new ps3 40gb doesnt have ps2 compatability? i dont even play my ps2 games on my 60gb atm, if ur so worried dont buy it and stick with a ps2.

or u could buy this new ps3 and then some of the november games like army of two assassins creed and haze aswell as getting resitance and then ULL FORGET ABOUT PS2 GAMES FOREVER bwa hahaha

IMO this new console is great atm ive used my card reader once on my 60gig, and i only use 2 usb ports atm anyway, the most important thing the new console has going for it (over the core) is that it still has wifi

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I will NEVER stop playing my PS1/2 games. Same goes for all my games regardless of when they came out. I play games because they are fun and I enjoy it. BC is great and I don't ever want to see it set aside just because poor people like you only buy 1 or 2 games a year. Dollars speak louder then words and you ain't got no say.
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#44 Vampyronight
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Personally, I consider this to be a bad move by Sony. Yes, there are definately some perks to getting a lower cost unit out there (and I think the PS3 could pick up in sales at $400).

However, BC is important to many people. In fact, I almost didn't buy my PS3 because I ended up with the Hong Kong version, which means my BC is tied to Asia and not the US (granted some games come with English, but not all of them). I really want to play Yakuza 1 and 2...but now I have to play the JPN versions without English. I don't know if I'm going to get it now.

With time, sure, BC will be less important. But right now, there's a severe lack of great, defining games for the PS3. Not every niche has been covered, and until then, BC will be highly important. Plus, there's always a few games from every gen that you'll want for a good long while.

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#45 kier1992
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I wish i would of bought the 40gbs.. that is all i can say
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#46 sniper_99
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I friggin care dammit! I'm not gonna hook up my PS2 and get wires all cluttered and ****! and neither does my PS2 work becuzz of the common "disc read error" problem, it is unacceptable to not have backwards compatibility on the top selling console of last generation.
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#47 da1writer
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And no one here takes into account that a PS2 emulator may be implemented later via firmware. No, because everyone is crying a river over losing it on the 40 GB sku. The people who are crying the hardest are already PS3 owners which is very sad. I'm also very sick of these retarded threads keep popping up, it's like your providing a new dyper forthe babies to poop in. I hope no one else makes anymore threads like this, you are only feeding the whiners. I hope a mod actually notices this retarded subjects over 40 GB not having BC and locks every single one of them. You guys need to grow up and look toward the future, not the past.
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#48 tonka_92
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And no one here takes into account that a PS2 emulator may be implemented later via firmware. No, because everyone is crying a river over losing it on the 40 GB sku. The people who are crying the hardest are already PS3 owners which is very sad. I'm also very sick of these retarded threads keep popping up, it's like your providing a new dyper forthe babies to poop in. I hope no one else makes anymore threads like this, you are only feeding the whiners. I hope a mod actually notices this retarded subjects over 40 GB not having BC and locks every single one of them. You guys need to grow up and look toward the future, not the past.da1writer

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#49 kier1992
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I dont know why people are complanning about not having ps2 compatabilty... i bet everyone who bought a ps3 has a ps2? why is everyone complanning about ps2 bc? i thought more people would be complanning about the fact this is a cheaper verison and its not fair for the people who bought the 60gb ps3...
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#50 urio1
Member since 2007 • 1576 Posts
idc for PS2 compatibility... besides, only one model doesn't have BC and that is the model i will purchase seeing as how i have no interest in the PS2 at all...