How come so many ps3 games are 720p but not 1080? i mean is there a reason behind it? i see alot of multiplats were 360 supports 1080 but ps3 only does 720.. i was tryin to think of reasons like upscaling, or maybe there are more 720p tv's out there, im just not gettin the reason
PS3 720p vs 1080p question
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how do you know if a game is native 720 or upscaled? for example heavy rain is 720, but like ssfIV is 720 on ps3 and 1080 on back of 360 box, does this mean the game is native 720 and xbox is 'lying' about the resolution on the box?Xbox 360 automatically upscales games to 1080p, when native resolution is almost always 720p or lower.
PS3 by default plays the game at their native resolutions, and can manually configured to force upscale to 1080p.
How do people not know this by now...?
Gxgear
[QUOTE="Gxgear"]how do you know if a game is native 720 or upscaled? for example heavy rain is 720, but like ssfIV is 720 on ps3 and 1080 on back of 360 box, does this mean the game is native 720 and xbox is 'lying' about the resolution on the box?Xbox 360 automatically upscales games to 1080p, when native resolution is almost always 720p or lower.
PS3 by default plays the game at their native resolutions, and can manually configured to force upscale to 1080p.
How do people not know this by now...?
Renzokucant
There's very, very few games that's full HD aka 1080p for both consoles. You could probably count them on one hand.
Xbox sometimes list the only available video output at 1080p, and in that case yes they're lying through their teeth. But most of the time all the available outputs are listed, and the lowest one is the native res.
Its more expensive and time consuming to render games in 1080p. Some developers dont have the time/money, and some just are rushing the game production.budboarder
In addition to this the consoles do have limitationsso sometimesdevelopers would have to sacrifice framerate to get a better render resolution. So instead they put "supports 1080p" (note the use of theword support)on the back of the box, 90% of people don't know the difference so are happy, and the game performs better.
Personally I'm quite happy with upscaling as I'd be pressed to notice the difference if you had the two side by side (except FF13cutscenes which are 580 vs 1080 :)). I'd much prefer to have my game running at full screen rather than a small "boxed" version that is accurately rendered.
[QUOTE="budboarder"]Its more expensive and time consuming to render games in 1080p. Some developers dont have the time/money, and some just are rushing the game production.Chickan_117
In addition to this the consoles do have limitationsso sometimesdevelopers would have to sacrifice framerate to get a better render resolution. So instead they put "supports 1080p" (note the use of theword support)on the back of the box, 90% of people don't know the difference so are happy, and the game performs better.
Personally I'm quite happy with upscaling as I'd be pressed to notice the difference if you had the two side by side (except FF13cutscenes which are 580 vs 1080 :)). I'd much prefer to have my game running at full screen rather than a small "boxed" version that is accurately rendered.
While we're talking about FF13, interestingly on the PS3 it also force upscales to 1080p. The only game I've played thus far that does that and made me freak out when I noticed it.
I think people know that, but the TC is trying to figure out why the game isn't in 1080P, sure it may be up-scaled but it truly isn't running in 1080P. And most games flatout don't run in TRUE 1080P.Xbox 360 automatically upscales games to 1080p, when native resolution is almost always 720p or lower.
PS3 by default plays the game at their native resolutions, and can manually configured to force upscale to 1080p.
How do people not know this by now...?
Gxgear
[QUOTE="Gxgear"]I think people know that, but the TC is trying to figure out why the game isn't in 1080P, sure it may be up-scaled but it truly isn't running in 1080P. And most games flatout don't run in TRUE 1080P.Xbox 360 automatically upscales games to 1080p, when native resolution is almost always 720p or lower.
PS3 by default plays the game at their native resolutions, and can manually configured to force upscale to 1080p.
How do people not know this by now...?
gamer082009
My bad if misinterpreted.
[QUOTE="Gxgear"]how do you know if a game is native 720 or upscaled? for example heavy rain is 720, but like ssfIV is 720 on ps3 and 1080 on back of 360 box, does this mean the game is native 720 and xbox is 'lying' about the resolution on the box?Xbox 360 automatically upscales games to 1080p, when native resolution is almost always 720p or lower.
PS3 by default plays the game at their native resolutions, and can manually configured to force upscale to 1080p.
How do people not know this by now...?
Renzokucant
Correct. They are lying, in a sense. Can the game be displayed at 1080P? Yes. Is that Native resolution? Oh HELL no. The only platform that can promise games rendered in true 1080P right now is the PC.
A game's upscaled resolution isn't important. It's the Native resolution that matters. Look at Call Of Duty on consoles. People think it looks good because it runs at 60 frames per second. But the textures and detail look like crap because the game is rendered at a Native resolution of 600P. That's SUB-HD. Halo 3 runs at 640P Native. Again, SUB-HD. MGS4 is sub-HD. The 360 version of FFXIII runs at 576P (720P for cutscenes) vs the PS3's 720P for gameplay and 1080P for cutscenes (Native). The PS3 version of Bayonetta is sub-HD.
If you have an HDTV, chances are it has a scaler built into it so images lower than its maximum resolution will fill the screen. See that 720P video game you're playing? Good God, it's filling the screen!
Congratulations, you have NO NEED to upscale the image as it has already been done for you. Upscaling 720P to 1080P does NOTHING for image quality. Want me to prove it? I've got Photoshop and some free time. :)
[QUOTE="budboarder"]Its more expensive and time consuming to render games in 1080p. Some developers dont have the time/money, and some just are rushing the game production.Chickan_117
In addition to this the consoles do have limitationsso sometimesdevelopers would have to sacrifice framerate to get a better render resolution. So instead they put "supports 1080p" (note the use of theword support)on the back of the box, 90% of people don't know the difference so are happy, and the game performs better.
Personally I'm quite happy with upscaling as I'd be pressed to notice the difference if you had the two side by side (except FF13cutscenes which are 580 vs 1080 :)). I'd much prefer to have my game running at full screen rather than a small "boxed" version that is accurately rendered.
They also have to scrifice texture quality to get a great-looking game to display in 1080p. For Example God of War 3 wouldn't have looked nearly as good if it was in 1080p.
The consoles don't really have the power to run games at native 1080p without making sacrifices. Often cartoony style games run at 1080p because they don't have detailed textures.
How come so many ps3 games are 720p but not 1080? i mean is there a reason behind it? i see alot of multiplats were 360 supports 1080 but ps3 only does 720.. i was tryin to think of reasons like upscaling, or maybe there are more 720p tv's out there, im just not gettin the reason
Renzokucant
Your not seeing more 1080p Xbox 360 games, they are upscaled and not natibe. Regardless, if you have a 1080p TV then you will be getting 1080p upscaled from the PS3 just as you do on the Xbox 360.
I don't really understand people sometimes. Many people seems to be on a race trying to get everything with a higher number just becase companys say it is better. This is like those millions contrast ratio in TVs, that's a marketing lie, it was normal when they where in the tousands but now you even see TVs with those exagerated millions in contrast. With 720p and 1080p we have a similarsituation , many of the games that say 1080p are just upscale wich means not real 1080p. Even when coparing real 720p vs 1080p side by side in person it is very difficult to see a difference, to see it you need a really big tv, need to be sit at a certain distance and even with that it isn't like changing from SD to HD.
But people are people and always says that the higher nuber is the best thing. Color saturation and quality is always better than more resolution.:P
Even when coparing real 720p vs 1080p side by side in person it is very difficult to see a difference, to see it you need a really big tv, need to be sit at a certain distance and even with that it isn't like changing from SD to HD.
soulreaper-4
No its not hard to tell, maybe you cant see it, but plenty of people can. You also dont need a big TV, you can see the difference on something as little as 22", hence why monitors have been HD long before the majority even knew what HD stood for. If you going to come out with statements like these, at least research properly before spouting things that are not true.
Xbox 360 automatically upscales games to 1080p, when native resolution is almost always 720p or lower.
PS3 by default plays the game at their native resolutions, and can manually configured to force upscale to 1080p.
How do people not know this by now...?
how do you know if a game is native 720 or upscaled? for example heavy rain is 720, but like ssfIV is 720 on ps3 and 1080 on back of 360 box, does this mean the game is native 720 and xbox is 'lying' about the resolution on the box? Take a screen shot or use a 1080[ capture card and view the aspect ratio. 1920 X 1080 = 1080p anything else isnt'[QUOTE="Renzokucant"][QUOTE="Gxgear"]1920 X 1080 = 1080p anything else isnt'Xbox 360 automatically upscales games to 1080p, when native resolution is almost always 720p or lower.
PS3 by default plays the game at their native resolutions, and can manually configured to force upscale to 1080p.
How do people not know this by now...?
Fightingfan
Wrong, 1080i.
[QUOTE="Renzokucant"]
How come so many ps3 games are 720p but not 1080? i mean is there a reason behind it? i see alot of multiplats were 360 supports 1080 but ps3 only does 720.. i was tryin to think of reasons like upscaling, or maybe there are more 720p tv's out there, im just not gettin the reason
shawty1984
Your not seeing more 1080p Xbox 360 games, they are upscaled and not natibe. Regardless, if you have a 1080p TV then you will be getting 1080p upscaled from the PS3 just as you do on the Xbox 360.
Id' like to clarify, that the PS3 only outputs a 1080p picture if you manually deactivate other options. The PS3 delivers the native resolution usually and the Tv does the upscaling
[QUOTE="shawty1984"]
[QUOTE="Renzokucant"]
How come so many ps3 games are 720p but not 1080? i mean is there a reason behind it? i see alot of multiplats were 360 supports 1080 but ps3 only does 720.. i was tryin to think of reasons like upscaling, or maybe there are more 720p tv's out there, im just not gettin the reason
ArchoNils2
Your not seeing more 1080p Xbox 360 games, they are upscaled and not natibe. Regardless, if you have a 1080p TV then you will be getting 1080p upscaled from the PS3 just as you do on the Xbox 360.
Id' like to clarify, that the PS3 only outputs a 1080p picture if you manually deactivate other options. The PS3 delivers the native resolution usually and the Tv does the upscaling
Yes, sorry thats what I mean. I just explained it wrong. What I was trying to say is that the final outcome is the same, 1080p upscaled the same as the Xbox 360 (as some people seem to think the Xbox is better because it does 1080p upscale) I was trying to say that the TV will upscale itself, so the final outcome is the same for both machines.
[QUOTE="soulreaper-4"]
Even when coparing real 720p vs 1080p side by side in person it is very difficult to see a difference, to see it you need a really big tv, need to be sit at a certain distance and even with that it isn't like changing from SD to HD.
shawty1984
No its not hard to tell, maybe you cant see it, but plenty of people can. You also dont need a big TV, you can see the difference on something as little as 22", hence why monitors have been HD long before the majority even knew what HD stood for. If you going to come out with statements like these, at least research properly before spouting things that are not true. Dude get serious. The difference is so small that many people won't even noticed, it isn't like jumping from SD to HD, I too was into HD with a PC monitor long before the HDTV propaganda began .A TV with better video proccessing and color gamut will always be better than a crappy 1080p with less color quality. I have seen people in store looking at those Samsung HDTVs and saying "WOW this TV looks amazing" because is 1080p. I even remember when i got my Sony Bravia and brought it back to the store to check something some clerks where asking me, Is that TV 1080p? I tell you this by my own experience. I don't blame people like you because you are the result of the famous number marketing from corporations.
[QUOTE="Chickan_117"]
Its more expensive and time consuming to render games in 1080p. Some developers dont have the time/money, and some just are rushing the game production.budboarder
In addition to this the consoles do have limitationsso sometimesdevelopers would have to sacrifice framerate to get a better render resolution. So instead they put "supports 1080p" (note the use of theword support)on the back of the box, 90% of people don't know the difference so are happy, and the game performs better.
Personally I'm quite happy with upscaling as I'd be pressed to notice the difference if you had the two side by side (except FF13cutscenes which are 580 vs 1080 :)). I'd much prefer to have my game running at full screen rather than a small "boxed" version that is accurately rendered.
While we're talking about FF13, interestingly on the PS3 it also force upscales to 1080p. The only game I've played thus far that does that and made me freak out when I noticed it.
Don't get mad at me but you're wrong, FFXIII for PS3 is native 720p in game and it's native 1080p on the computer generated scenes.[QUOTE="Gxgear"][QUOTE="Chickan_117"]
In addition to this the consoles do have limitationsso sometimesdevelopers would have to sacrifice framerate to get a better render resolution. So instead they put "supports 1080p" (note the use of theword support)on the back of the box, 90% of people don't know the difference so are happy, and the game performs better.
Personally I'm quite happy with upscaling as I'd be pressed to notice the difference if you had the two side by side (except FF13cutscenes which are 580 vs 1080 :)). I'd much prefer to have my game running at full screen rather than a small "boxed" version that is accurately rendered.
soulreaper-4
While we're talking about FF13, interestingly on the PS3 it also force upscales to 1080p. The only game I've played thus far that does that and made me freak out when I noticed it.
Don't get mad at me but you're wrong, FFXIII for PS3 is native 720p in game and it's native 1080p on the computer generated scenes.He is correct. The "other" console's version is 576p Native in game and 720p Native during cutscenes.
[QUOTE="Gxgear"][QUOTE="Chickan_117"]
In addition to this the consoles do have limitationsso sometimesdevelopers would have to sacrifice framerate to get a better render resolution. So instead they put "supports 1080p" (note the use of theword support)on the back of the box, 90% of people don't know the difference so are happy, and the game performs better.
Personally I'm quite happy with upscaling as I'd be pressed to notice the difference if you had the two side by side (except FF13cutscenes which are 580 vs 1080 :)). I'd much prefer to have my game running at full screen rather than a small "boxed" version that is accurately rendered.
soulreaper-4
While we're talking about FF13, interestingly on the PS3 it also force upscales to 1080p. The only game I've played thus far that does that and made me freak out when I noticed it.
Don't get mad at me but you're wrong, FFXIII for PS3 is native 720p in game and it's native 1080p on the computer generated scenes.I just went by my TV's output, it's showing 1080p throughout so I just assumed the gameplay is upscaled 720p. I know the cutscenes are rendered in 1080p. That's why I said I was freaked out at first because I'd rather play the game in native resolution.
Don't get mad at me but you're wrong, FFXIII for PS3 is native 720p in game and it's native 1080p on the computer generated scenes.[QUOTE="soulreaper-4"][QUOTE="Gxgear"]
While we're talking about FF13, interestingly on the PS3 it also force upscales to 1080p. The only game I've played thus far that does that and made me freak out when I noticed it.
Gxgear
I just went by my TV's output, it's showing 1080p throughout so I just assumed the gameplay is upscaled 720p. I know the cutscenes are rendered in 1080p. That's why I said I was freaked out at first because I'd rather play the game in native resolution.
Wow. Someone that ACTUALLY knows that native resolution is better. They do exist! :P
the REAL reason we don't see very many (if any) true native 1080p games is slightly due to development cost, but mostly becasue these consoles arent as powerful as some people believe them to be. It is AMAZING what dev's are squeezing out of those little boxes, but in reality they couldnt handle great looking games at that high res. if anyone with a decent PC can see what raising the resolution does to their frame-rate on most games u'd understand why these consoles can't do it. Sure the CELL BBE is a stunning chip for media encoding and the 360 GPU was ground breaking to have the first ever unified architecture, but these machines were launched TO EARLY!!!!!
i will stop my rant here before its too late!
[QUOTE="shawty1984"]
[QUOTE="soulreaper-4"]
Even when coparing real 720p vs 1080p side by side in person it is very difficult to see a difference, to see it you need a really big tv, need to be sit at a certain distance and even with that it isn't like changing from SD to HD.
soulreaper-4
No its not hard to tell, maybe you cant see it, but plenty of people can. You also dont need a big TV, you can see the difference on something as little as 22", hence why monitors have been HD long before the majority even knew what HD stood for. If you going to come out with statements like these, at least research properly before spouting things that are not true. Dude get serious. The difference is so small that many people won't even noticed, it isn't like jumping from SD to HD, I too was into HD with a PC monitor long before the HDTV propaganda began .A TV with better video proccessing and color gamut will always be better than a crappy 1080p with less color quality. I have seen people in store looking at those Samsung HDTVs and saying "WOW this TV looks amazing" because is 1080p. I even remember when i got my Sony Bravia and brought it back to the store to check something some clerks where asking me, Is that TV 1080p? I tell you this by my own experience. I don't blame people like you because you are the result of the famous number marketing from corporations.
Sigh, come back when you know what your talking about. There is a huge difference between 720p and 1080p and you can see it on small TV's. Ive been fed no marketing from coperations telling me this, its something that is 100% fact. Infact the jump from SD to HD 720p here in the UK (were SD is 576i) is near enough the same as 720p to 1080p. You need to go and educate yourself before you make yourself look a right fool.
[QUOTE="Gxgear"][QUOTE="Chickan_117"]
In addition to this the consoles do have limitationsso sometimesdevelopers would have to sacrifice framerate to get a better render resolution. So instead they put "supports 1080p" (note the use of theword support)on the back of the box, 90% of people don't know the difference so are happy, and the game performs better.
Personally I'm quite happy with upscaling as I'd be pressed to notice the difference if you had the two side by side (except FF13cutscenes which are 580 vs 1080 :)). I'd much prefer to have my game running at full screen rather than a small "boxed" version that is accurately rendered.
soulreaper-4
While we're talking about FF13, interestingly on the PS3 it also force upscales to 1080p. The only game I've played thus far that does that and made me freak out when I noticed it.
Don't get mad at me but you're wrong, FFXIII for PS3 is native 720p in game and it's native 1080p on the computer generated scenes.It might be native 720p, but if you have a 1080p TV, then you are playing in 1080p upscale.
Dude get serious. The difference is so small that many people won't even noticed, it isn't like jumping from SD to HD, I too was into HD with a PC monitor long before the HDTV propaganda began .A TV with better video proccessing and color gamut will always be better than a crappy 1080p with less color quality. I have seen people in store looking at those Samsung HDTVs and saying "WOW this TV looks amazing" because is 1080p. I even remember when i got my Sony Bravia and brought it back to the store to check something some clerks where asking me, Is that TV 1080p? I tell you this by my own experience. I don't blame people like you because you are the result of the famous number marketing from corporations.[QUOTE="soulreaper-4"]
[QUOTE="shawty1984"]
No its not hard to tell, maybe you cant see it, but plenty of people can. You also dont need a big TV, you can see the difference on something as little as 22", hence why monitors have been HD long before the majority even knew what HD stood for. If you going to come out with statements like these, at least research properly before spouting things that are not true.shawty1984
Sigh, come back when you know what your talking about. There is a huge difference between 720p and 1080p and you can see it on small TV's. Ive been fed no marketing from coperations telling me this, its something that is 100% fact. Infact the jump from SD to HD 720p here in the UK (were SD is 576i) is near enough the same as 720p to 1080p. You need to go and educate yourself before you make yourself look a right fool. Ah you are mad little kid? I didn't meant to make you mad kiddo. A person with the equipment and the experiencing of seeing in person like me doesn't need to go out and get educated by others. By the way why don't you visite CNET.COM and read the explanation of 720p vs 1080p? Don't tell me you know more than these people who try almost every TV in existence.
1080p requires more work for programmers but also more work for CPU/GPU . Current generation consoles aren't powerful enough to do this for all kind of games . WipeoutHD is true 1080p resolution .It's the only game I know on PS3 to have true 1080p graphics, exept for some arcade stuff . AND YOU DO SEE THE DIFFERENCE between 720 and 1080p !!
[QUOTE="shawty1984"]
[QUOTE="soulreaper-4"] Dude get serious. The difference is so small that many people won't even noticed, it isn't like jumping from SD to HD, I too was into HD with a PC monitor long before the HDTV propaganda began .A TV with better video proccessing and color gamut will always be better than a crappy 1080p with less color quality. I have seen people in store looking at those Samsung HDTVs and saying "WOW this TV looks amazing" because is 1080p. I even remember when i got my Sony Bravia and brought it back to the store to check something some clerks where asking me, Is that TV 1080p? I tell you this by my own experience. I don't blame people like you because you are the result of the famous number marketing from corporations.
soulreaper-4
Sigh, come back when you know what your talking about. There is a huge difference between 720p and 1080p and you can see it on small TV's. Ive been fed no marketing from coperations telling me this, its something that is 100% fact. Infact the jump from SD to HD 720p here in the UK (were SD is 576i) is near enough the same as 720p to 1080p. You need to go and educate yourself before you make yourself look a right fool. Ah you are mad little kid? I didn't meant to make you mad kiddo. A person with the equipment and the experiencing of seeing in person like me doesn't need to go out and get educated by others. By the way why don't you visite CNET.COM and read the explanation of 720p vs 1080p? Don't tell me you know more than these people who try almost every TV in existence.
Sigh, go over to the AV forums and talk to the real experts and they will tell you I am right. You think your so clever, but your so far friom the truth, its laughable.
No idea, but it doesn't really bother me, because games look awesome in 720p ;)
Add ninja gaide sigma 2 to the list.1080p requires more work for programmers but also more work for CPU/GPU . Current generation consoles aren't powerful enough to do this for all kind of games . WipeoutHD is true 1080p resolution .It's the only game I know on PS3 to have true 1080p graphics, exept for some arcade stuff . AND YOU DO SEE THE DIFFERENCE between 720 and 1080p !!
zekere
The 360 isnt real 1080p its upscaled. Most games run in 720p, less expensive and less work. Some games like FF13 is in 1080p native.
Hmm my TV is just a 32' sony bravia (not with full HD 1080p, max reso 1366x768 or something), it upscales games to 1080p though like, MGS4, FF13 and GT5. I can see quite a difference between uncharted 2 resolution and those, like the graphics have more "teeths" if they runa t 720p and stuff. Those look good enough for me still.
[QUOTE="zekere"]Add ninja gaide sigma 2 to the list.1080p requires more work for programmers but also more work for CPU/GPU . Current generation consoles aren't powerful enough to do this for all kind of games . WipeoutHD is true 1080p resolution .It's the only game I know on PS3 to have true 1080p graphics, exept for some arcade stuff . AND YOU DO SEE THE DIFFERENCE between 720 and 1080p !!
Fightingfan
Was NGS2 really 1080p ? I thought it was like GT5 prologue an upscaled version of 1280 x 1080 pixels, not native 1920 x 1080 p .
Hmm my TV is just a 32' sony bravia (not with full HD 1080p, max reso 1366x768 or something), it upscales games to 1080p though like, MGS4, FF13 and GT5. I can see quite a difference between uncharted 2 resolution and those, like the graphics have more "teeths" if they runa t 720p and stuff. Those look good enough for me still.
Scrotous
ur native resolution for that style of TV is 720p. games will be best played at taht native res due to heaps of fast moving stuff often on screen. however u may want to crank it up to 1080i for movies (a 1366x768 tv cannot do 1080p, just an upscaled 1080i)
The 360 isnt real 1080p its upscaled. Most games run in 720p, less expensive and less work. Some games like FF13 is in 1080p native.
AgentZero225
Sigh, the amount of people who post here who dont know what they are talking about is astonishing.
The Xbox 360 can and does do 1080p native. Not many games are 1080p native, but there is a few.
FF13 is playable in 1080p native. It is sub HD on the Xbox 360 and 720p on the PS3 (with the videos in 1080p)
Hmm my TV is just a 32' sony bravia (not with full HD 1080p, max reso 1366x768 or something), it upscales games to 1080p though like, MGS4, FF13 and GT5. I can see quite a difference between uncharted 2 resolution and those, like the graphics have more "teeths" if they runa t 720p and stuff. Those look good enough for me still.
Scrotous
No, your TV does not upscale them to 1080p, it can never do that, it hasnt got enough pixels for this to happen. 1080p is 1920 x 1080, your TV is 1366 x 768. It may be able to recieve a 1080p input, but it will never output at 1080p native or upscaled.
[QUOTE="Scrotous"]
Hmm my TV is just a 32' sony bravia (not with full HD 1080p, max reso 1366x768 or something), it upscales games to 1080p though like, MGS4, FF13 and GT5. I can see quite a difference between uncharted 2 resolution and those, like the graphics have more "teeths" if they runa t 720p and stuff. Those look good enough for me still.
kungfool69
ur native resolution for that style of TV is 720p. games will be best played at taht native res due to heaps of fast moving stuff often on screen. however u may want to crank it up to 1080i for movies (a 1366x768 tv cannot do 1080p, just an upscaled 1080i)
Sigh, dont give advice if you dont know what your talking about.
The native resolution for his TV is actually 768p, not 720p. Also you cant crank a 1366 x 768 up to 1080i, it doesnt have enough pixels, 1080i is 1920 x 1080, the same as 1080p. So if it cant do 1080p, then it cant do 1080i. It might be able to accept a 1080i input (and 1080p for that matter) but it will never display them.
[QUOTE="kungfool69"]
[QUOTE="Scrotous"]
Hmm my TV is just a 32' sony bravia (not with full HD 1080p, max reso 1366x768 or something), it upscales games to 1080p though like, MGS4, FF13 and GT5. I can see quite a difference between uncharted 2 resolution and those, like the graphics have more "teeths" if they runa t 720p and stuff. Those look good enough for me still.
shawty1984
ur native resolution for that style of TV is 720p. games will be best played at taht native res due to heaps of fast moving stuff often on screen. however u may want to crank it up to 1080i for movies (a 1366x768 tv cannot do 1080p, just an upscaled 1080i)
Sigh, dont give advice if you dont know what your talking about.
The native resolution for his TV is actually 768p, not 720p. Also you cant crank a 1366 x 768 up to 1080i, it doesnt have enough pixels, 1080i is 1920 x 1080, the same as 1080p. So if it cant do 1080p, then it cant do 1080i. It might be able to accept a 1080i input (and 1080p for that matter) but it will never display them.
it will havea display compatibility of up to 1080i, and being a Sony should make it look pretty good still. i regularlly run DVD's, HD-DVDs and bluray on my samsung LA32R71 at 1920x1080i at 50hz (native res of 1366x768), and i do see a noticeable difference between 1366x768. perhaps i am just got lucky and grabbed a TV that was goood at the time. the image is downscaled yes, but the TV itself still reads it as 1080i.
[QUOTE="shawty1984"]
[QUOTE="kungfool69"]
ur native resolution for that ****of TV is 720p. games will be best played at taht native res due to heaps of fast moving stuff often on screen. however u may want to crank it up to 1080i for movies (a 1366x768 tv cannot do 1080p, just an upscaled 1080i)
kungfool69
Sigh, dont give advice if you dont know what your talking about.
The native resolution for his TV is actually 768p, not 720p. Also you cant crank a 1366 x 768 up to 1080i, it doesnt have enough pixels, 1080i is 1920 x 1080, the same as 1080p. So if it cant do 1080p, then it cant do 1080i. It might be able to accept a 1080i input (and 1080p for that matter) but it will never display them.
it will havea display compatibility of up to 1080i, and being a Sony should make it look pretty good still. i regularlly run DVD's, HD-DVDs and bluray on my samsung LA32R71 at 1920x1080i at 50hz (native res of 1366x768), and i do see a noticeable difference between 1366x768. perhaps i am just got lucky and grabbed a TV that was goood at the time. the image is downscaled yes, but the TV itself still reads it as 1080i.
Your TV can input at 1080i image, but you will never ever see a 1080i image, your TV can never display at 1080i due to the resolution of 1080i being 1920 x 1080, your TV is 1366 x 768.
You never regulary run them at 1080i, as I said, your TV cant do 1080i, you might be inputting 1080i, but that is not running or displaying 1080i. The reason you will be seeing a better picture is probably because your downscaling from 1080i to 768p instead of upscaling from 720p to 768p. Reading an image at 1080i and displaying it at 1080i are two totally different things, if you read the post I was quoting to, you said it will upscale to 1080i.
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Sigh, dont give advice if you dont know what your talking about.
The native resolution for his TV is actually 768p, not 720p. Also you cant crank a 1366 x 768 up to 1080i, it doesnt have enough pixels, 1080i is 1920 x 1080, the same as 1080p. So if it cant do 1080p, then it cant do 1080i. It might be able to accept a 1080i input (and 1080p for that matter) but it will never display them.shawty1984
it will havea display compatibility of up to 1080i, and being a Sony should make it look pretty good still. i regularlly run DVD's, HD-DVDs and bluray on my samsung LA32R71 at 1920x1080i at 50hz (native res of 1366x768), and i do see a noticeable difference between 1366x768. perhaps i am just got lucky and grabbed a TV that was goood at the time. the image is downscaled yes, but the TV itself still reads it as 1080i.
Your TV can input at 1080i image, but you will never ever see a 1080i image, your TV can never display at 1080i due to the resolution of 1080i being 1920 x 1080, your TV is 1366 x 768.
You never regulary run them at 1080i, as I said, your TV cant do 1080i, you might be inputting 1080i, but that is not running or displaying 1080i. The reason you will be seeing a better picture is probably because your downscaling from 1080i to 768p instead of upscaling from 720p to 768p. Reading an image at 1080i and displaying it at 1080i are two totally different things, if you read the post I was quoting to, you said it will upscale to 1080i.
well, apparently i am not allowed to mince words on the internet.....anyway i feel no reason to come back into this thread :) our jobs here are done boys, move along, nothing to see here.
Dude get serious. The difference is so small that many people won't even noticed, it isn't like jumping from SD to HD, I too was into HD with a PC monitor long before the HDTV propaganda began .A TV with better video proccessing and color gamut will always be better than a crappy 1080p with less color quality. I have seen people in store looking at those Samsung HDTVs and saying "WOW this TV looks amazing" because is 1080p. I even remember when i got my Sony Bravia and brought it back to the store to check something some clerks where asking me, Is that TV 1080p? I tell you this by my own experience. I don't blame people like you because you are the result of the famous number marketing from corporations.[QUOTE="soulreaper-4"]
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No its not hard to tell, maybe you cant see it, but plenty of people can. You also dont need a big TV, you can see the difference on something as little as 22", hence why monitors have been HD long before the majority even knew what HD stood for. If you going to come out with statements like these, at least research properly before spouting things that are not true.shawty1984
Sigh, come back when you know what your talking about. There is a huge difference between 720p and 1080p and you can see it on small TV's. Ive been fed no marketing from coperations telling me this, its something that is 100% fact. Infact the jump from SD to HD 720p here in the UK (were SD is 576i) is near enough the same as 720p to 1080p. You need to go and educate yourself before you make yourself look a right fool. I would not put any weight behind this kids posts since he points out he only plays on a 24 " monitor and has only seen a bigger tv at his friends. Lots of other good posts here to get some good info though. 720P and 1080P are noticeable if you really look hard but on one of my 32" 1080P tvs I can't tell at all.
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[QUOTE="soulreaper-4"] Dude get serious. The difference is so small that many people won't even noticed, it isn't like jumping from SD to HD, I too was into HD with a PC monitor long before the HDTV propaganda began .A TV with better video proccessing and color gamut will always be better than a crappy 1080p with less color quality. I have seen people in store looking at those Samsung HDTVs and saying "WOW this TV looks amazing" because is 1080p. I even remember when i got my Sony Bravia and brought it back to the store to check something some clerks where asking me, Is that TV 1080p? I tell you this by my own experience. I don't blame people like you because you are the result of the famous number marketing from corporations.
BaconB1ts123
Sigh, come back when you know what your talking about. There is a huge difference between 720p and 1080p and you can see it on small TV's. Ive been fed no marketing from coperations telling me this, its something that is 100% fact. Infact the jump from SD to HD 720p here in the UK (were SD is 576i) is near enough the same as 720p to 1080p. You need to go and educate yourself before you make yourself look a right fool. I would not put any weight behind this kids posts since he points out he only plays on a 24 " monitor and has only seen a bigger tv at his friends. Lots of other good posts here to get some good info though. 720P and 1080P are noticeable if you really look hard but on one of my 32" 1080P tvs I can't tell at all.
What you need to understand is what I post is 100% fact, dont believe me, then your quite welcome to go over the AV forums and post this thread over there and see what the 'expets' say. Otherwise, if you dont have any knowledge, then dont comment on something you know nothing about.
I would not put any weight behind this kids posts since he points out he only plays on a 24 " monitor and has only seen a bigger tv at his friends. Lots of other good posts here to get some good info though. 720P and 1080P are noticeable if you really look hard but on one of my 32" 1080P tvs I can't tell at all.[QUOTE="BaconB1ts123"]
[QUOTE="shawty1984"]
Sigh, come back when you know what your talking about. There is a huge difference between 720p and 1080p and you can see it on small TV's. Ive been fed no marketing from coperations telling me this, its something that is 100% fact. Infact the jump from SD to HD 720p here in the UK (were SD is 576i) is near enough the same as 720p to 1080p. You need to go and educate yourself before you make yourself look a right fool.shawty1984
What you need to understand is what I post is 100% fact, dont believe me, then your quite welcome to go over the AV forums and post this thread over there and see what the 'expets' say. Otherwise, if you dont have any knowledge, then dont comment on something you know nothing about. I tried to find some "expets" on the AVforums but I could only find experts and they all agree with me :)
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[QUOTE="BaconB1ts123"] I would not put any weight behind this kids posts since he points out he only plays on a 24 " monitor and has only seen a bigger tv at his friends. Lots of other good posts here to get some good info though. 720P and 1080P are noticeable if you really look hard but on one of my 32" 1080P tvs I can't tell at all.
BaconB1ts123
What you need to understand is what I post is 100% fact, dont believe me, then your quite welcome to go over the AV forums and post this thread over there and see what the 'expets' say. Otherwise, if you dont have any knowledge, then dont comment on something you know nothing about. I tried to find some "expets" on the AVforums but I could only find experts and they all agree with me :)
And your willing to prove that are you?
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