PS3 issue being blown out of proportions?

Note to mod: this isn't about PSN but the financial and legal ramifications for Sony.

Sony currently faces 2 law suits that I know of and one of them is suing for a BILLION dollars! that is such an absurd amount and I have a problem with this.

Firstly, While having personal info being stolen is a bad thing, it does not justify such a negative reaction for people. Many corporations make money doing just this, such as google or microsoft.

Sony has said that credit card information wasnt stolen apparently, but even if it were, its very easy to just cancel the card. any money that is stolen is due to the negligence of the card holder.

Not having PSN and our info stolen is a major inconvienance at best, but it does not justify suing Sony for BILLIONS! These lawyers claim to be helping us, the users, but in reality we would never really see that money come back to us and it would only drive up the prices of video game related goods and/or delay releases of great games.

C$1 billion be used to pay for "costs of credit monitoring services and fraud insurance coverage for two years."

if i read that correctly from the gamespot article, the 1 billion will be used to help customers(ie you and me).

in other words, sony will cover credit monitoring services and fraud insurance to anyone who requires it.

C$1 billion be used to pay for "costs of credit monitoring services and fraud insurance coverage for two years."

if i read that correctly from the gamespot article, the 1 billion will be used to help customers(ie you and me).

in other words, sony will cover credit monitoring services and fraud insurance to anyone who requires it.

Batang_X990

Note to mod: this isn't about PSN but the financial and legal ramifications for Sony.

Sony currently faces 2 law suits that I know of and one of them is suing for a BILLION dollars! that is such an absurd amount and I have a problem with this.

Firstly, While having personal info being stolen is a bad thing, it does not justify such a negative reaction for people. Many corporations make money doing just this, such as google or microsoft.

Sony has said that credit card information wasnt stolen apparently, but even if it were, its very easy to just cancel the card. any money that is stolen is due to the negligence of the card holder.

Not having PSN and our info stolen is a major inconvienance at best, but it does not justify suing Sony for BILLIONS! These lawyers claim to be helping us, the users, but in reality we would never really see that money come back to us and it would only drive up the prices of video game related goods and/or delay releases of great games.

chewy130

yeah they say it is for monitering credit, but i doubt they'll use all that money for its purpose.

and anything can be hacked really, no matter how good security is.

yeah they say it is for monitering credit, but i doubt they'll use all that money for its purpose.

and anything can be hacked really, no matter how good security is.

chewy130

So what? Sony still should have had better security in place. If they did, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

It's not blown out of propotions. 75 million people. This money is to help us from identity theft. 75 million times a 50 bucks already equates to3,750,000,000. Which means if all 75 million users need help we'd get less than 50 bucks each to help us out or more specifically $13.33 each. At 30 Mill users its $28.57. Of course not everyone needs it but my point is that again its 75 million people who's names, address, telephone, e-mail, etc that are stolen. 1 billion is a small asking price. I'm not suprised the FBI, Homeland Security, Congress, and others are involved in this matter. 75 million is just too many people to toss aside. Check that its at 78 million people......

As far as blaming Sony is concerned, they do deserved it but in this case, I think one would be ignorant if you don't blame both the hackers and Sony. As I have already stated elsewhere, Sony needs this to be a humbling experience and not think they are untouchable just becasue they got the dough, the hackers have to be brought to justice for stealing information that is not theirs. Because of these two F***s, we the gamers have to suffer for their faults. F the hackers and F sony for being so cocky.

[QUOTE="chewy130"]

yeah they say it is for monitering credit, but i doubt they'll use all that money for its purpose.

and anything can be hacked really, no matter how good security is.

Vari3ty

So what? Sony still should have had better security in place. If they did, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

thank you vari3ty i agree

It's not blown out of propotions. 75 million people. This money is to help us from identity theft. 75 million times a 50 bucks already equates to3,750,000,000. Which means if all 75 million users need help we'd get less than 50 bucks each to help us out or more specifically $13.33 each. At 30 Mill users its $28.57. Of course not everyone needs it but my point is that again its 75 million people who's names, address, telephone, e-mail, etc that are stolen. 1 billion is a small asking price. I'm not suprised the FBI, Homeland Security, Congress, and others are involved in this matter. 75 million is just too many people to toss aside. Check that its at 78 million people......

cdragon_88

It's not blown out of propotions. 75 million people. This money is to help us from identity theft. 75 million times a 50 bucks already equates to3,750,000,000. Which means if all 75 million users need help we'd get less than 50 bucks each to help us out or more specifically $13.33 each. At 30 Mill users its $28.57. Of course not everyone needs it but my point is that again its 75 million people who's names, address, telephone, e-mail, etc that are stolen. 1 billion is a small asking price. I'm not suprised the FBI, Homeland Security, Congress, and others are involved in this matter. 75 million is just too many people to toss aside. Check that its at 78 million people......

cdragon_88

So what? Sony still should have had better security in place. If they did, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Vari3ty

If a person gets shot in the chest and dies would you really say, "Well he should have been wearing a bullet proof vest, he apparently wasn't prepared enough!"

[QUOTE="Vari3ty"]So what? Sony still should have had better security in place. If they did, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

If a person gets shot in the chest and dies would you really say, "Well he should have been wearing a bullet proof vest, he apparently wasn't prepared enough!"

[QUOTE="cdragon_88"]

It's not blown out of propotions. 75 million people. This money is to help us from identity theft. 75 million times a 50 bucks already equates to3,750,000,000. Which means if all 75 million users need help we'd get less than 50 bucks each to help us out or more specifically $13.33 each. At 30 Mill users its $28.57. Of course not everyone needs it but my point is that again its 75 million people who's names, address, telephone, e-mail, etc that are stolen. 1 billion is a small asking price. I'm not suprised the FBI, Homeland Security, Congress, and others are involved in this matter. 75 million is just too many people to toss aside. Check that its at 78 million people......

CajunShooter

If we tone it down to 20 million users its still 50 bucks each. At ten million its 100 bucks. At 5 mill its 200 bucks. So on and so forth. If you have become a victim of identity theft, I doubt a 200 bucks is going to do much for you.

[QUOTE="Vari3ty"]So what? Sony still should have had better security in place. If they did, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

If a person gets shot in the chest and dies would you really say, "Well he should have been wearing a bullet proof vest, he apparently wasn't prepared enough!"

[QUOTE="Vari3ty"]So what? Sony still should have had better security in place. If they did, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

CajunShooter

If a person gets shot in the chest and dies would you really say, "Well he should have been wearing a bullet proof vest, he apparently wasn't prepared enough!"

honestly dude, sony's online service was not "tip top" shape, it was good but saying it was "there best" is laughable,this could have been avoided to an extent

[QUOTE="bblundell"][QUOTE="CajunShooter"] Hindsight is 20/20. Anytime something bad happens someone could have always been better prepared for a situation, but a lot of times until that particular thing happens you really don't have a clue as to what extent you need to be prepared.

If a person gets shot in the chest and dies would you really say, "Well he should have been wearing a bullet proof vest, he apparently wasn't prepared enough!"

CajunShooter

honestly dude, sony's online service was not "tip top" shape, it was good but saying it was "there best" is laughable,this could have been avoided to an extent

eboyishere

Could it have been better, well certainly it could have been. Sony followed the same security procedures a lot of companies do to comply with standard procedure for storing and protecting information.

True, but most people that have forewarnings usually have the common (in Sony's case "business") sense to change something to prevent or lessen any type of issue that may or may not arise.

bblundell

I don't recall anyone on these boards predicting this would happen back when the so called "warning signs" were happening. I am sure Sony didn't realize anything this big would happen as well.

[QUOTE="eboyishere"]

honestly dude, sony's online service was not "tip top" shape, it was good but saying it was "there best" is laughable,this could have been avoided to an extent

CajunShooter

Could it have been better, well certainly it could have been. Sony followed the same security procedures a lot of companies do to comply with standard procedure for storing and protecting information.

The funny thing is that they're still finding out the items that were taken stolen from April 17th - 19th. I believe within the last couple of days they just realized it. The realization is that they did get hacked, and they were caught with their pants around the ankles. Don't get me wrong I'm a Sony supporter, and most articles on the internet about this are still speculations, but the simple fact is that they were hacked. Sony followed the same security procedures as a lot of other companies?? Keep in mind that storing plain-text client information (whether it's behind firewalls or not) is hardly up to par. I'm not trying to spar with you on this......just having a conversation about it. I don't want this turning into a big argument.bblundell

People tend to forget that bad things happen. Everyone wants to blame someone and are blaming Sony and saying they were negligent. There is a difference between negligence and unfortunate things happening. The leak didn't happen because of Sony negligence, but because a person or persons wanted to harm Sony. It wasn't Sony's negligence, but the determination of a person(s) to commit illegal acts.

sony = not doing enough. and at this point thats way beyond inexcusable.

personaly i feel like this. at first i was happy about this whole sony welcome back program. give the customers free stuff that we own....not gonna cost us much, the fans are happy because their hungry littly mouths are now collectively shut and the few that are left complaining, noone cares about anyway. Heres the thing though....WHAT ARE THEY DOING ABOUT THE POTENTIAL DAMAGE ALREADY DONE?? how are they easing subscriber fears? the people already on the service thats affected, why arent they saying hey look (and i agree wholeheartedly with the provided link) well take care of you on a personal standpoint. Ill tell you, its called owning up to your own shortcomings. MS did it with the RROD and it costed them in the billions...hey its a tough pill to swallow but when you have peoples livelihoods at stake its a necessary action. i dont care who gets fired...or where they move security, or who they hire to be put in charge of the new center. i want to hear about my personal behind being covered and sone hasnt done that. hell they havent even followed through on the helplines for the cedit agencies and whatnot.

2 weeks into damage control and this shouldve been your PRIMARY objective if concern about your users was paramount. cmon sony....show me something.

[QUOTE="chewy130"]

yeah they say it is for monitering credit, but i doubt they'll use all that money for its purpose.

and anything can be hacked really, no matter how good security is.

Vari3ty

So what? Sony still should have had better security in place. If they did, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

To those who are talking about 1 billion dollars going to users, here's a heads up:

1) There aren't actually 77 million users because millions of them have 2 or 3 different PSN accounts each. So maybe you can cut he number down by about 15 - 20 million.

2) you don't actually think that if this monkey actually wins, the whole 1 billion goes to us, do you? Are we forgetting about the law firm? go online and check the percentage they get if they win this type of case.

3) Credit cards are insured at the banks that issue them and others are insured by the credit card companies themselves. This means that if a hacker uses you credit card illegaly, then the transaction is covered by the insurance. This is one of the main reasons we USE credit cards to begin with. Unfortunatly, some banks around the world are too cheap to pay for insurance which, really is their fault.

Food for thought people, BRING ON THE RAIN (Hide behind my concrete wall, in Kevlar, waiting for the post-comment fallout)

[QUOTE="Batang_X990"]

C$1 billion be used to pay for "costs of credit monitoring services and fraud insurance coverage for two years."

if i read that correctly from the gamespot article, the 1 billion will be used to help customers(ie you and me).

in other words, sony will cover credit monitoring services and fraud insurance to anyone who requires it.

PoisoN_Facecam0

The Department of Defense has been hacked more often but does that mean we can't depend on the government to secure us from threats? No it just means someone really wanted to get into the data and they did... Again nothing is hackproof and nothing will ever be hackproof it's just the way things go.

[QUOTE="PoisoN_Facecam0"][QUOTE="Batang_X990"]

C$1 billion be used to pay for "costs of credit monitoring services and fraud insurance coverage for two years."

if i read that correctly from the gamespot article, the 1 billion will be used to help customers(ie you and me).

in other words, sony will cover credit monitoring services and fraud insurance to anyone who requires it.

The Department of Defense has been hacked more often but does that mean we can't depend on the government to secure us from threats? No it just means someone really wanted to get into the data and they did... Again nothing is hackproof and nothing will ever be hackproof it's just the way things go.

Lahey" where ya staying Rick"

Ricky" at the **** off hotel Lahey"

Note to mod: this isn't about PSN but the financial and legal ramifications for Sony.

Sony currently faces 2 law suits that I know of and one of them is suing for a BILLION dollars! that is such an absurd amount and I have a problem with this.

Firstly, While having personal info being stolen is a bad thing, it does not justify such a negative reaction for people. Many corporations make money doing just this, such as google or microsoft.

Sony has said that credit card information wasnt stolen apparently, but even if it were, its very easy to just cancel the card. any money that is stolen is due to the negligence of the card holder.

Not having PSN and our info stolen is a major inconvienance at best, but it does not justify suing Sony for BILLIONS! These lawyers claim to be helping us, the users, but in reality we would never really see that money come back to us and it would only drive up the prices of video game related goods and/or delay releases of great games.

chewy130

I find it incredible that you have somehow flipped this around in your mind so that not only is Sony not responsible, the victims are guilty of "negligence". It's like going up to a rape victim and saying "With an ass like that, you shouldn't have worn such a sexy outfit, honey." The Sony fanboys are really showing that they will forgive Sony for anything at this point. What would they have to do for you to question their business practices? Chop your grandmother's head off?

any money that is stolen is due to the negligence of the card holder.chewy130

[QUOTE="chewy130"]

Note to mod: this isn't about PSN but the financial and legal ramifications for Sony.

Sony currently faces 2 law suits that I know of and one of them is suing for a BILLION dollars! that is such an absurd amount and I have a problem with this.

Firstly, While having personal info being stolen is a bad thing, it does not justify such a negative reaction for people. Many corporations make money doing just this, such as google or microsoft.

Sony has said that credit card information wasnt stolen apparently, but even if it were, its very easy to just cancel the card. any money that is stolen is due to the negligence of the card holder.

Not having PSN and our info stolen is a major inconvienance at best, but it does not justify suing Sony for BILLIONS! These lawyers claim to be helping us, the users, but in reality we would never really see that money come back to us and it would only drive up the prices of video game related goods and/or delay releases of great games.

bblundell

In both cases Hackers are the middle men

Sony>hackers>customers

customers>hackers>Sony

[QUOTE="Vari3ty"]So what? Sony still should have had better security in place. If they did, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

CajunShooter

If a person gets shot in the chest and dies would you really say, "Well he should have been wearing a bullet proof vest, he apparently wasn't prepared enough!"

Sony was using outdated, unpatched servers. This isn't so much hindsight criticism as it is pointing out a complete disregard for consumer privacy.