PS4 hardware almost confirmed

09:49:51

[QUOTE="claytonjoseph"]

-PS4 will not be out before late 2015, at the earliest (because of communicated console life cycle of 10 years)

gmaster456

No no no no no no no. Yes the PS3 will last 10 years but that does NOT mean there won't be a console selling alongside it at the same time. The situtation will be the same as it is now with the PS2 selling alongside the PS3.

We're gonna see something major on the PS4 at E3 2012 if not an actual release. Quote me on it.

I have you on record. I will expect a full apology when you are proven wrong.

I also think it will be later because the PS3 is last in console sales (compared to Wii & 360), Sony just started making profit on actual PS3 hardware about 1 1/2 yr ago, & the PS3 library of quality games just hit a good stride about 3/4-1yr ago. Sony will squeeze way more $$$ out of the PS3 before they bring out the next-gen console, keep in mind the PS2 is still selling ok.

Although, even if we do see/hear something @ E3 2012 it may not be out until 2014 or 2015. How bad would it piss you off for them to start the anticipation 2 yrs before the release?

09:49:51[QUOTE="gmaster456"]

[QUOTE="claytonjoseph"]

-PS4 will not be out before late 2015, at the earliest (because of communicated console life cycle of 10 years)

claytonjoseph

No no no no no no no. Yes the PS3 will last 10 years but that does NOT mean there won't be a console selling alongside it at the same time. The situtation will be the same as it is now with the PS2 selling alongside the PS3.

We're gonna see something major on the PS4 at E3 2012 if not an actual release. Quote me on it.

I have you on record. I will expect a full apology when you are proven wrong.

Although, even if we do see/hear something @ E3 2012 it may not be out until 2014 or 2015. How bad would it piss you off for them to start the anticipation 2 yrs before the release?

I have no problem with being proved wrong and would not have a problem with apolgozing if I am. Honestly I wouldn't be that ticked if it didn't come out until 2015 I just think its highly unlikely that sony would wait that long. Microsoft is said to be working on a next gen console as we speak and a new nintendo console should be due right around the corner as well and sony will need something to counter those 2 products which will very likely be out before 2015. While there are some decent looking games out for the PS3 is hardware is getting outdated. I don't care how much BS is tossed at me saying "herf derf devs aren't using its full potential yet herf derf". A game can only be optimized so much. If the console is already outdated now just imagine how bad it will be 4 years from now in 2015.

After seeing the new Unreal Engine footage and Battlefield 3... I think it's about time. This gen of consoles are seriously starting to show their age. dk00111

[QUOTE="jshaas"][QUOTE="Deathtransit"] I think the PS3 is pretty maxed out with U2 and KZ3. How much more can they optimize?dk00111

Most games this gen can't do 1080p, and even less can do it with decent AA. Despite what some might tell you, it's pretty evident that the PS3 is reaching it's grapical limits, and as that happens, it's time to start developing the next gen consoles.

[QUOTE="dk00111"]

[QUOTE="jshaas"]

When they make a game that uses most of a BR disc, I'll consider it maxed out. The fact that most games only use 20% - 30% (some less) of the disc's capacity tells me that there's a potential that hasn't been met.jshaas

Most games this gen can't do 1080p, and even less can do it with decent AA. Despite what some might tell you, it's pretty evident that the PS3 is reaching it's grapical limits, and as that happens, it's time to start developing the next gen consoles.

Yep... It is crazy to think that the PS3 "reached" it graphic potential just in their 4th year. The games coming out in PS3's 4th year are looking far superior than the first couple years and I believe they will only get better especially by looking at some of the future trailers. The PS2 was putting out some of their best graphic games way beyond their 4th year. God of War 2 came out in PS2's 7th year and that pretty much maxed out the PS2. The graphics are only going to get better as time goes by with the PS3. However, I don't have any problems with the PS3's graphics at all. I am even content with playing God of War 2 HD on my PS3.

Graphics are the determining factor for releasing a new console? Are we in SW, and I didn't know it? Well, I just respectfully disagree here. KZ2, KZ3, and UC2 all look amazing. UC3 will look amazing. But, Battlefield 3 is the best looking thing I've seen on any system (not PC). How can you say the PS3 has reached its graphical limits when each big release looks better than the previous? I thought gamers wanted high quality gaming experiences that come from solid story, characters, and gameplay... not the best graphics. I do think there's a graphical standard that shouldn't be undercut this gen, but if the game sucks... it sucks looking pretty too. I don't know. Maybe I'm just not ready to hear that my $500 PS3 is getting replaced anytime soon. Maybe in couple years I'll feel differently about it.

jshaas

Well, if graphics aren't the primary factor for determining when to release a new console, then what is?

U2 and KZ3 looked good primarily because of their art style, not their technical aspects. Adventure and scifi games are more likely to age slower when it comes to graphics because the art style can save them. Other games, such as racing games and modern fps games, age much more quickly, because realism is what's usually saught after. Story, gameplay and characters don't really depend on hardware, you're right, and like you, I value those greatly. However, graphics do play a role in the quality of games. While I don't think current gen consoles are outdated enough to justify announcements of new consoles this year, I definitely think development for next gen devices should be underway. When a handheld rivals a console in graphics, it's time for new consoles imo.

"Most likely" and "I'm pretty sure" doesn't mean anything.

I could claim "I'm pretty sure PS4 would have two blu ray drives and a 4Ghz processor"

PS4 hardware? Well Sony should start considering a follow up to the PS3. Since MS has ststed that they have at least Started theirs. I would notjump the gun yet. Playstation 4 is still a long ways off.

personal wishlist:

Features that MUST be there for a launch purchase :

• PS1 compatibility
• PS2 compatibility
• PS3 compatibility
• PSN compatibility
• No mandatory control scheme that you need to move around with AKA wiimote/psmove because of home space limits

Things i can live without but would be nice :

• Hard drive transfert from ps3 to ps4
• Bigger cloud save space for PS+ proportionnal save space increase for ps4 saves
• Home trophy room
• PS3 Hardware compatibility (i don't mind reusing my hold controllers and eyetoy)
• Low price point especially if most games are for 3d cause i'll need a new tv o_O.

PS4 will probably come around 2013-2014 and it will cost a ton (+$650), have very little good games available and have bugs. I will always pass on getting the "newest" system until price comes down, enough time passes where there are plenty of good games and the bugs are cleared out. I guess I'll get the SLIM PS4 in 2016.

BH14

Hopefully Sony learns from their mistake with the PS3 lets be honest they had a rough time at the beginning of this gen and lets hope they don't go the Nintendo way and focus on casual games.

I dont want the ps4 to come out untill 2014 :cry: coz my ps3 is just a year and half

What about the PS4 with i7 Intel processor, and NVIDIA graphic chip and 2GB of RAM.

Easy, powerfull and multifunctional.

The bad would be, it will be a hackers party.

Pelon208

I don't think it works like that,plus the ps3 processor is very strong until today.

though the nvidia denver project is basically confirmed not to be in the ps4, I want to remind you that the project denver is basically a CELL CPU with lesser graphic capabilities! It is a CPU with a GPU integrated, The Cell with the one standard CPU with several spu's(wich is perfect for gfx computing) is based on the same ideas! I will bet you that the hardware for ps4 will be CELL cpu's. I read( quite a while ago, have no links, sorry) that the CELL cpu is pushed into the 6 Ghz area by IBM, and they have managed to get it upto 16 cores of SPU's on the latest silicone wafer. I also read that Sony has bought the cell factorys from toshiba sometime early this year, which means they probably have means to use the CELL in more products then the ps3. This also pushes the manufacturing costs pretty low, as it is an familiar architecture, nad they own the manufacturing themselves! Actually what they might do, is to push several 16x core CPU's into the ps4, and maybe go for mid end GPU from nvidia, and do most of the math on the CELL cpu's, as originally planned on the ps3. The only thing i REALLY hope for, is at least 6 GB of ram, and hopefully XDR RAM, as in the ps3, only a faster xdr2 generation. Only problem is, that the XDR RAM is by far the most expensive ram, and will due to this probably be exchanged by a cheaper DDR ram of the generation ( DDR7? ) These are my pennies! edit: found an article adding up to my own speculations: http://www.gamertechtv.com/2011/sony-playstation-ps4-rumors-release-date-specs/ imgaerion

I read somewhere long ago (like in 2005) that Sony invest like a billion dollars in the CELL processor, so I think this is very likely to happen.

I don't think Sony will get rid of the CELL with the investment they did.

I read somewhere long ago (like in 2005) that Sony invest like a billion dollars in the CELL processor, so I think this is very likely to happen.

I don't think Sony will get rid of the CELL with the investment they did.

Pelon208

Finally, if there's one thing I hope the company learned, it's that you can't sell something at $600 and expect to win.istuffedsunny

• Sufficient RAM: this generation it was a major constraint
• Backwards Compatability: If I can't keep my PSN purchases or PS3 discs, I have no reason to stay with Sony next gen.
• Dual Wireless N Radios: Obvious (2.4 and 5)
• Voice Chat: Cross Game Chat, Chat Lobbies
• Rear USB Ports: Plugging accessories in to the front is lame
• Screen Capture & Gameplay Recording: This is a must have
• Standard 2.5" HDD: Great advantage this gen, if you go propriertary you will burn in hell

NO way.... Nvidia is way to expensive which is why MS and Sony have given them the boot. NEXT gen CPU is IBM or Sony Multi CELL CPU.... ITS GPU is going to Power VR which is in their PSV.

Ihave not even seen any articles conecting Nvidia with the cpu design. and agianNvidia would charge too much.. they did withPS3's gpu which is clearly less able than ATI's GPU in Xbox 360. Sony will not make that mistake again

[QUOTE="BH14"]

PS4 will probably come around 2013-2014 and it will cost a ton (+$650), have very little good games available and have bugs. I will always pass on getting the "newest" system until price comes down, enough time passes where there are plenty of good games and the bugs are cleared out. I guess I'll get the SLIM PS4 in 2016.

Wild_Card

any way i think the head guys at sony thought they could build a system that cost a lot and people would buy it any way. while it hardly tanked it was far from the all but instant exploson that the first two systems were. 500 and 600$ ect is just to much for a console for it to have mass apeal. And thats not to say sony over charged or any thing. at the time it was a very fair price for what the hardwear was. the BR player alone made it worth it as stand alone BR players were even more money. but still thats a ton of cash for a lot of people to spend, plus buying games ect. Any way i expect the ps4 to be much more compatative as far as price goes. i predect under 400$ eather 349.99 or 499.99$ USA max. And hopefully sony wont unknowningly help fund and devlope one of there rivals GPU this time lol.I think this time Sony will focus on bringing a good console for a reasonable price. PS2 outsold Xbox360 and PS3 for a while, before PS2 slaes slowed down. Just drop the price of PS3 to 199 and instant sales bost. Focus on new IP and there you go. Sony just bought back their factory that makes Cell chips, so the cost is less.

An updated Cell cost little to make. Having manynew 34nm or 22nmcells would have about the same heat out put as the 65nm cell. SO no need for the same expensive cooling that the fat PS3s had. Also Sony could put 2 or more on a single packet.

[QUOTE="imgaerion"]though the nvidia denver project is basically confirmed not to be in the ps4, I want to remind you that the project denver is basically a CELL CPU with lesser graphic capabilities! It is a CPU with a GPU integrated, The Cell with the one standard CPU with several spu's(wich is perfect for gfx computing) is based on the same ideas! I will bet you that the hardware for ps4 will be CELL cpu's. I read( quite a while ago, have no links, sorry) that the CELL cpu is pushed into the 6 Ghz area by IBM, and they have managed to get it upto 16 cores of SPU's on the latest silicone wafer. I also read that Sony has bought the cell factorys from toshiba sometime early this year, which means they probably have means to use the CELL in more products then the ps3. This also pushes the manufacturing costs pretty low, as it is an familiar architecture, nad they own the manufacturing themselves! Actually what they might do, is to push several 16x core CPU's into the ps4, and maybe go for mid end GPU from nvidia, and do most of the math on the CELL cpu's, as originally planned on the ps3. The only thing i REALLY hope for, is at least 6 GB of ram, and hopefully XDR RAM, as in the ps3, only a faster xdr2 generation. Only problem is, that the XDR RAM is by far the most expensive ram, and will due to this probably be exchanged by a cheaper DDR ram of the generation ( DDR7? ) These are my pennies! edit: found an article adding up to my own speculations: http://www.gamertechtv.com/2011/sony-playstation-ps4-rumors-release-date-specs/ Pelon208

I read somewhere long ago (like in 2005) that Sony invest like a billion dollars in the CELL processor, so I think this is very likely to happen.

I don't think Sony will get rid of the CELL with the investment they did.

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That was 2007 I am sure it is easy to add a few new features standard or change the basic design and have a nice powerfull chip and have a few of them in a PS4. I say 2015 for PS4 PS3 will sell with a price drop. Also drop in game price. 59.99 to 49.99 for new games!!

10 year lifecycle? Who cares? The PS3 (and xbox) only have 512 RAM total... split between cpu and gpu. We desperately need a next gen console.

Xbox 720 is rumored to be out in Q4 2012 - so this will put the pressure on Sony. I don't think they'll be read to match or beat that release date but I think they'll be aiming for late 2013.

My Predictions:

Release date: Late 2013

RAM: 4 GB

CPU: Updated Cell

GPU: ATi

Cost: $600 (not bad considering inflation)

I think the Xbox will win the Console war. They have way more money and I think they put way more resources into development. They will also win again by releasing their console first gaining the majority of marketshare before Sony makes it to the table

Why the move? Why can't we stay more? World economy isn't the greatest, and many developers barely starting catching up to the PS3.Victorious_Fize

Next gen will have to sort out hardware reliability this time around both the ps3 and 360 have suffered from bad hardware reliability. I think its disgusting that they were let out of the door with such issues.

also not everyone has piles of money to spend on new consoles atm and I dont seem the situation easing in the next year or so

I dunno I thought the PS3 had pretty good hardware. I bought mine used off ebay

(original ps2 compatible version) and it's been working flawlessly for years.

On the other hand every single person I know who had a 360 has eventually had a Red

Ring of Death and had to buy another.

Maybe it's just me?

Maybe I've had two ps3's since getting getting my first one over 18 months ago. The first one must have been from a dodgy batch as the blu ray drive just stopped working the second is still going strong touch wood

I am not sure that this will go in the PS4. Isn't ARM a portable CPU, therefore pushing the 64bit processing power of ARM make no sense especially when the Cell process is has already 32bit, 64bit and 129bit registers in the PPE and only 128bit in the SPE. The PS2 RISC processors were 64bit. So to say that this processor will go into the PS4 would not be right. NVIDIA I have no doubt will be involved in the PS4 in some capacity. And since the often seen underpower GPU that sits in the PS3 and is often a sign by those on the MS camp as a sign of weakness. There will be certainly a bit of grunt behind what is in the PS4mike_on_mic

Look the date of the first post. This is old news, but the recent post are interesting IMO.

I would like to see the cell again in the PS4, I mean every developer says that the problem with the PS3 its not its processor but the RAM and the GPU. So an upgraded CELL with 4gb of RAM and a nice GPU will make a beast of a console.