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#1 deactivated-583a1f5a6d5ad
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Hi there all,

I have not mutch money to spend on an HD TV,

Here i'll see an Philips HD tv,

Now my question is: with this LCD performance can i get fully the ps3 grapics experiance?

Here is the link with details of the HDTV.

Thx greets

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Ummmm, I see no link...
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Sh*t, sorry forgot it hehe

HERE LINK: http://www.redcoon.nl/index.php/cmd/shop/a/ProductDetail/pid/B120942/cid/15005/Philips_32_PF_5331/#

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It looks nice, but the fact that it all appears to be in German makes it impossible to read the specs on it.

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From what little I understood, it looks to be a good deal.  Good contrast ratio, a couple of HDMI ports, and the res I think looks to be good (if I'm reading it right).
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i'll look for you for some english spec. hold on
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#7 Qbrozen
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well, from the little i can get on that site, it appears it is merely 1080i (i could certainly be wrong). So no, you will not get the full experience.
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Looks good, but does it accept 1080p? I don't read German. Find out if it accepts 1080p and you should be in business. Even if it only accepts 1080i, you will be fine if the de-interlacer works properly.
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well, from the little i can get on that site, it appears it is merely 1080i (i could certainly be wrong). So no, you will not get the full experience. Qbrozen

It may only accept 1080i, but will display any video in 1080p...if it is in fact a 1080p display and not a 768p. I would assume it is 1080p since I saw no reference to 768p.

Get a Sharp or a Sony and you will be lovin life!

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[QUOTE="Qbrozen"]well, from the little i can get on that site, it appears it is merely 1080i (i could certainly be wrong). So no, you will not get the full experience. SD_Hitman

It may only accept 1080i, but will display any video in 1080p...if it is in fact a 1080p display and not a 768p. I would assume it is 1080p since I saw no reference to 768p.

Get a Sharp or a Sony and you will be lovin life!

Philips USA has no such thing as a 32" 1080p LCD, according to their website. But who knows? I can't find that exact model number in the US site. We have a PF5321, while the one on that German site is a PF5331. That could just be the color difference, though (21 is silver and 31 is black??). Even the higher model numbers we have here don't handle 1080p, though.
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[QUOTE="Qbrozen"]well, from the little i can get on that site, it appears it is merely 1080i (i could certainly be wrong). So no, you will not get the full experience. SD_Hitman

It may only accept 1080i, but will display any video in 1080p...if it is in fact a 1080p display and not a 768p. I would assume it is 1080p since I saw no reference to 768p.

Get a Sharp or a Sony and you will be lovin life!

Don't forget samsung!

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the screen size is too small for 1080p to make a difference anyway.
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That's not a 1080p or 1080i tv, from the specs searching on the web it's a normal 1366*768 resolution for a 32inch LCD panel.

Just search the model number online, every site that sells it shows 768p.

Just look for your self:
http://shopping.aliceadsl.fr/f/26157/Philips_32_PF_5331.htm
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the screen size is too small for 1080p to make a difference anyway.mmirza23


Not it's not too small if it were 1080p, there's no such thing as too small, it's all depends how far you sit from it. I mean a 30inch PC LCD screen has twice the number of pixels as 1080p, so it just depends where you sit.
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yeah, thats true but I was assuming he wouldn't be sitting close enough where it would make a difference.
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Also, I hear no LCD really ever shows 1080p accuratly when it is because with motion the pixels can't update fast enough to maintain the finer details. You'll have to wait for the new 120hz LCD 1080p tvs to prevent detail loss in motion.
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don't buy hd ready
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don't buy hd ready karnis


Wrong, there's no reason not to, so I don't know where you are coming from...
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Also, I hear no LCD really ever shows 1080p accuratly when it is because with motion the pixels can't update fast enough to maintain the finer details. You'll have to wait for the new 120hz LCD 1080p tvs to prevent detail loss in motion.TimothyB
i have a 1080p tv lcd what you say is not true.
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[QUOTE="karnis"]don't buy hd ready TimothyB


Wrong, there's no reason not to, so I don't know where you are coming from...

if you plan on watching high definition television you want a hdtv not hd ready reason why atsc tuner it has nothing to do with games but it does with tv who the hell wants a hd cable box.
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[QUOTE="TimothyB"]Also, I hear no LCD really ever shows 1080p accuratly when it is because with motion the pixels can't update fast enough to maintain the finer details. You'll have to wait for the new 120hz LCD 1080p tvs to prevent detail loss in motion.karnis
i have a 1080p tv lcd what you say is not true.



I'm not saying an LCD is not 1080p when it is, but due to the nature of the pixels, if you have fast motion there will be some slight blurring due to the response rate of an LCD TV. And if there is blurring, then it can't be full 1080p all the time since detail is lost.

Here's an example of 1080p 120hz LCDs can do:

--------"120Hz Clear Motion Drive
JVC’s 120Hz Clear Motion Drive uses an original high-precision interpolation algorithm, which detects the movement in images, and increases the frame rate to 120Hz to create an interpolated image that is displayed as two frames — the original plus the newly interpolated frame — in the same time it takes a 60Hz set to display a single frame. Through this method, brighter moving images without flickering or blurring can be achieved. The high-speed 120Hz drive is an applied technology derived from D.I.S.T. technology perfected over the years."--------

Pulled from here: http://www.jvc.com/press/index.jsp?item=540&pageID=1

I'm sure if you search for 1080p 120Hz LCDs in google you'll find the same thing.
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[QUOTE="TimothyB"][QUOTE="karnis"]don't buy hd ready karnis


Wrong, there's no reason not to, so I don't know where you are coming from...

if you plan on watching high definition television you want a hdtv not hd ready reason why atsc tuner it has nothing to do with games but it does with tv who the hell wants a hd cable box.



Depends on which HD built-in you get. Not many would find use for an over the air antenna for digital tv. And sure you have cable card slots for digital cable, but you miss out on all the cool features a real cable box can give. Like advance interactive guides, on-demand, even more important is digital video recording for SD and HD. So while you say "who wants a cable box", I say "who wouldn't," plus who would want a VCR under there tv just to record things if they could have something more like a Tivo

And then for people with satellite services, you have to use their boxes no matter what, so the HD built-in is wasted again. And even a cable card from the cable company for the TV will usually cost you something a month too, so bringing up a cable box costs you something per month is moot there. Like how it drives people nuts that got the HD Tivo Series 3 that has two cable card slots and people are charged for both cable cards a month even though it's one device.

But that's just my view.
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[QUOTE="karnis"][QUOTE="TimothyB"]Also, I hear no LCD really ever shows 1080p accuratly when it is because with motion the pixels can't update fast enough to maintain the finer details. You'll have to wait for the new 120hz LCD 1080p tvs to prevent detail loss in motion.TimothyB
i have a 1080p tv lcd what you say is not true.



I'm not saying an LCD is not 1080p when it is, but due to the nature of the pixels, if you have fast motion there will be some slight blurring due to the response rate of an LCD TV. And if there is blurring, then it can't be full 1080p all the time since detail is lost.

Here's an example of 1080p 120hz LCDs can do:

--------"120Hz Clear Motion Drive
JVC’s 120Hz Clear Motion Drive uses an original high-precision interpolation algorithm, which detects the movement in images, and increases the frame rate to 120Hz to create an interpolated image that is displayed as two frames — the original plus the newly interpolated frame — in the same time it takes a 60Hz set to display a single frame. Through this method, brighter moving images without flickering or blurring can be achieved. The high-speed 120Hz drive is an applied technology derived from D.I.S.T. technology perfected over the years."--------

Pulled from here: http://www.jvc.com/press/index.jsp?item=540&pageID=1

I'm sure if you search for 1080p 120Hz LCDs in google you'll find the same thing.

i don't care i got my 1080p hdtv i have not seen any blurred image what so ever
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[QUOTE="TimothyB"][QUOTE="karnis"][QUOTE="TimothyB"]Also, I hear no LCD really ever shows 1080p accuratly when it is because with motion the pixels can't update fast enough to maintain the finer details. You'll have to wait for the new 120hz LCD 1080p tvs to prevent detail loss in motion.karnis
i have a 1080p tv lcd what you say is not true.



I'm not saying an LCD is not 1080p when it is, but due to the nature of the pixels, if you have fast motion there will be some slight blurring due to the response rate of an LCD TV. And if there is blurring, then it can't be full 1080p all the time since detail is lost.

Here's an example of 1080p 120hz LCDs can do:

--------"120Hz Clear Motion Drive
JVC’s 120Hz Clear Motion Drive uses an original high-precision interpolation algorithm, which detects the movement in images, and increases the frame rate to 120Hz to create an interpolated image that is displayed as two frames — the original plus the newly interpolated frame — in the same time it takes a 60Hz set to display a single frame. Through this method, brighter moving images without flickering or blurring can be achieved. The high-speed 120Hz drive is an applied technology derived from D.I.S.T. technology perfected over the years."--------

Pulled from here: http://www.jvc.com/press/index.jsp?item=540&pageID=1

I'm sure if you search for 1080p 120Hz LCDs in google you'll find the same thing.

i don't care i got my 1080p hdtv i have not seen any blurred image what so ever



True true, I wish I had a 1080p tv even if it were LCD, as it would still be better than my 768p one. And the difference is probably no that great to warrant a new purchase or anything, but this is just a sign that things are just getting better and better for the next time you buy a new tv :) . Like at a recent electronics show a reporter wrote he saw there difference pretty good when they had two LCDs side by side, the old and the new, and who knows how carefully the video was picked to show the difference of 120hz compared to your normal movie and such.
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[QUOTE="karnis"][QUOTE="TimothyB"][QUOTE="karnis"]don't buy hd ready TimothyB


Wrong, there's no reason not to, so I don't know where you are coming from...

if you plan on watching high definition television you want a hdtv not hd ready reason why atsc tuner it has nothing to do with games but it does with tv who the hell wants a hd cable box.



Depends on which HD built-in you get. Not many would find use for an over the air antenna for digital tv. And sure you have cable card slots for digital cable, but you miss out on all the cool features a real cable box can give. Like advance interactive guides, on-demand, even more important is digital video recording for SD and HD. So while you say "who wants a cable box", I say "who wouldn't," plus who would want a VCR under there tv just to record things if they could have something more like a Tivo

And then for people with satellite services, you have to use their boxes no matter what, so the HD built-in is wasted again. And even a cable card from the cable company for the TV will usually cost you something a month too, so bringing up a cable box costs you something per month is moot there. Like how it drives people nuts that got the HD Tivo Series 3 that has two cable card slots and people are charged for both cable cards a month even though it's one device.

  being able to pause live tv is cool & if it has a hdd to record tv that's great but can you put those recorded tv shows on your computer.
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[QUOTE="TimothyB"][QUOTE="karnis"][QUOTE="TimothyB"][QUOTE="karnis"]don't buy hd ready karnis


Wrong, there's no reason not to, so I don't know where you are coming from...

if you plan on watching high definition television you want a hdtv not hd ready reason why atsc tuner it has nothing to do with games but it does with tv who the hell wants a hd cable box.



Depends on which HD built-in you get. Not many would find use for an over the air antenna for digital tv. And sure you have cable card slots for digital cable, but you miss out on all the cool features a real cable box can give. Like advance interactive guides, on-demand, even more important is digital video recording for SD and HD. So while you say "who wants a cable box", I say "who wouldn't," plus who would want a VCR under there tv just to record things if they could have something more like a Tivo

And then for people with satellite services, you have to use their boxes no matter what, so the HD built-in is wasted again. And even a cable card from the cable company for the TV will usually cost you something a month too, so bringing up a cable box costs you something per month is moot there. Like how it drives people nuts that got the HD Tivo Series 3 that has two cable card slots and people are charged for both cable cards a month even though it's one device.

fine i give up sure maybe being able to pause live tv is cool & if it has a hdd to record tv that's great but can you put those recorded tv shows on your computer.



Correct, you can't transfer you recorded video to a computer, atleast with Comcast equipment. Tivo has always let you transfer files to a computer. Though, the new HD Series 3 Tivo has this function sort of disabled for now last I heard when it launched due to all the crap with it being HD. The unit is even supposed to allow you to connect external HDDs for more space. Until they figure out all the HD rights and stuff it's hard to want to purchase a $600+ unit. This makes the $10 a month for Comcast HD digital video recorder look like a blessing even if you can't transfer files. And satellite usually charges near $200 or more just to get an HD DVR.
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Philips makes awful sets. In general avoid brands like Philips, RCA, Syntax Olevia, and the like.
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I CANT READ FRENCH!
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[QUOTE="karnis"][QUOTE="TimothyB"][QUOTE="karnis"][QUOTE="TimothyB"][QUOTE="karnis"]don't buy hd ready TimothyB


Wrong, there's no reason not to, so I don't know where you are coming from...

if you plan on watching high definition television you want a hdtv not hd ready reason why atsc tuner it has nothing to do with games but it does with tv who the hell wants a hd cable box.



Depends on which HD built-in you get. Not many would find use for an over the air antenna for digital tv. And sure you have cable card slots for digital cable, but you miss out on all the cool features a real cable box can give. Like advance interactive guides, on-demand, even more important is digital video recording for SD and HD. So while you say "who wants a cable box", I say "who wouldn't," plus who would want a VCR under there tv just to record things if they could have something more like a Tivo

And then for people with satellite services, you have to use their boxes no matter what, so the HD built-in is wasted again. And even a cable card from the cable company for the TV will usually cost you something a month too, so bringing up a cable box costs you something per month is moot there. Like how it drives people nuts that got the HD Tivo Series 3 that has two cable card slots and people are charged for both cable cards a month even though it's one device.

fine i give up sure maybe being able to pause live tv is cool & if it has a hdd to record tv that's great but can you put those recorded tv shows on your computer.



Correct, you can't transfer you recorded video to a computer, atleast with Comcast equipment. Tivo has always let you transfer files to a computer. Though, the new HD Series 3 Tivo has this function sort of disabled for now last I heard when it launched due to all the crap with it being HD. The unit is even supposed to allow you to connect external HDDs for more space. Until they figure out all the HD rights and stuff it's hard to want to purchase a $600+ unit. This makes the $10 a month for Comcast HD digital video recorder look like a blessing even if you can't transfer files. And satellite usually charges near $200 or more just to get an HD DVR.

well right now in canada hd programing requires a hd cable box but there are not many hd channels yet when more are available i'll get a hd cable box.
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Philips makes awful sets. In general avoid brands like Philips, RCA, Syntax Olevia, and the like.BroweChisox

Agreed, do not buy a Philips LCD HDTV.  I had one for a year and a half with numerous problems.  I had the panel replaced because of a huge white spot in the top right corner of the screen, a software problem with the menu that kept flashing on screen and wouldn't stop, and then to top it off, my new panel had dead pixels.

After the lemon law kicked in I received my money back and purchased a Samsung 46' LCD 1080p and couldn't be more happy.  Samsung generally rates among the top with less problems and best service repair out of all HDTV's.  Philips's rates almost the bottom.