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#1 Nofacekilla11
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i believe sony should of made two versions one with  and one without a blue ray player.   the blue ray player  jetted the price. and i feal ripped off with it. i have no use for the blue ray i bought my ps3 for gaming not  movies
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i believe sony should of made two versions one with and one without a blue ray player. the blue ray player jetted the price. and i feal ripped off with it. i have no use for the blue ray i bought my ps3 for gaming not moviesNofacekilla11


Great idea...

But what are you going to use to load ALL the games that are on Blu-Ray Discs?
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#3 Nofacekilla11
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they could easily make games without the blue ray technology or hardrived data
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What are you gonna do when games get bigger, in a few years games will start reaching 15-20 gig range. You expect game manufacturers to make two different copies of each game one on single BluRay and a second version on 2-3 DVDs. Thats not practicle. No ones gonna do that.
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#5 Thomas-Crown
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Sony is just planning ahead. Remember? PS3 suppose to last 10 years before they make a new console (so they say).

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#6 emeritus
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What are you gonna do when games get bigger, in a few years games will start reaching 15-20 gig range. You expect game manufacturers to make two different copies of each game one on single BluRay and a second version on 2-3 DVDs. Thats not practicle. No ones gonna do that. pimperjones


Correct, Even if the PS3 used DVD's only, do you think it will last the 10 years Sony are looking at?

Blue Dragon on the 360 is a game that needs multiple DVD's, it wont take long for other games to follow suit and need a bigger storage device.

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#7 pimperjones
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Can you imagine Sony saying to manufacturers that all games need to be produced both on BluRays and DVDs. How many copies of each version do you make and what do you do with all the wasted copies that don't sell. Who picks up the tap on the extra reproduction cost. No system has ever been released with two different distribution mediums because it's not practical.
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#8 ironcreed
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I had the same view as you when I heard the price of the PS3, but after considering the long term value, long term potential, and the apparent superior durability of the PS3, I came to the realization that it is a much better long term investment than the 360 is.

I own and love the 360, but to deny an obvious design flaw would be nothing short of living in denial. The amount of 360 's that are lemoning out on people is still staggering over a year after launch. A great library it does have and will have, but what good are all of those great games on a part time system that so many people are having to replace 2, 3, 4 and even 5 times? It is beyond ridiculous.

Regardless though, both are great systems, but I am sold on the PS3 being a much better OVERALL system that will pay for itself in spades in the years to come when developers finally catch up and tap into the new technology that is still sleeping within.

So, from a long term value stand point, the PS3 will offer much more in terms of quality and durability in my opinion....which of course more than justifies the price. Just try to look down the road a little ways and you will understand what I am getting at here. Besides, the system is not even 4 months old yet, you cannot expect it to deliver everything that it is capable of right now, all at once, lol.

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#9 Nofacekilla11
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i agree with you completely . but how many of you believe your ps3 will last ten years through lots of gaming. i know the ps3 is much better quality then the ps2 but i went through 5 ps2's that burned out. unless ps3 has some magical technology that makes it unbreakable i highly doubt anyone will have one for ten years. i would much rather buy a toned down ps3 without blue ray that used multi dvds. which cost a developer less then 10 cents a piece to create. over a 600 dollar system that in two to three years could just break and force me to end up forking out another 600 ya know
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What are you gonna do when games get bigger, in a few years games will start reaching 15-20 gig range. You expect game manufacturers to make two different copies of each game one on single BluRay and a second version on 2-3 DVDs. Thats not practicle. No ones gonna do that. pimperjones


Oh, you mean how EA, Rockstar, Bethesda and other developers/publishers have already done with Blu-Ray and regular DVD games? Oblivion, Madden(other sports games), and GTA IV upcoming.

Yes, Sony was thinking ahead, but at the same time they were being a smidge too zealous with the Blu-Ray tech.

As a gamer, I honestly don't care about having to get up a couple times to change discs for Blue Dragon. It didn't bother anyone else back in the day with Final Fantasy VII now did it?

Also, I highly doubt that in the next few years that MOST games will be in the 15-20 gig range, maybe a few, but not the majority.
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i believe sony should of made two versions one with and one without a blue ray player. the blue ray player jetted the price. and i feal ripped off with it. i have no use for the blue ray i bought my ps3 for gaming not moviesNofacekilla11
......how are you even going to be able to play games without a blu ray player installed? Oh yeah you cant.
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#12 Jamh83
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My PS2 is going on 6 years old with no major problems, so I have every reason to believe that my PS3 will last as long if not longer. Anything has a chance of breaking, your car, your computer, anything that's why the warranty was created. :)
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#13 jdt532
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Well considering the fact that Resistance was over 12 or 13 GBs, Lair is about 4GB per loaded area and Hideo Kojima said the single layer 25GB BR disk isn't enough for him and he wants to use the double layer 50GB BR Disk I think it's obvious that BR is important for games and Sony made the right choice including it in EVERY PS3. Also I have a feeling FFXIII will be on a double layer 50GB BR disk so that is a game that wouldn't be possible on DVDs unless it's on four or five disks...
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[QUOTE="Nofacekilla11"]i agree with you completely . but how many of you believe your ps3 will last ten years through lots of gaming. i know the ps3 is much better quality then the ps2 but i went through 5 ps2's that burned out. unless ps3 has some magical technology that makes it unbreakable i highly doubt anyone will have one for ten years. i would much rather buy a toned down ps3 without blue ray that used multi dvds. which cost a developer less then 10 cents a piece to create. over a 600 dollar system that in two to three years could just break and force me to end up forking out another 600 ya know



The console is going to be SUPPORTED for 10 years, that is no indication to how long each individual console lasts.

This means in say, 6 or 7 years time you buy a PS3 your not going to be buying a completely out of date piece of hardware with an ancient disc drive and games that come in 4 or 5 DVD's
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i believe sony should of made two versions one with  and one without a blue ray player.   the blue ray player  jetted the price. and i feal ripped off with it. i have no use for the blue ray i bought my ps3 for gaming not  moviesNofacekilla11
omg your dumb..... PS3 was built around the blu-ray. resistance is 13 GB or something. You want that on 3 DVDs. The point of the PS3 was that developers dont have to compress anything in their games. They could make the game as big and as HD as they wanted w/o running out of room. A PS3 w/o blue-ray would be trash.
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#16 mikeslemonade
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Blu-ray is the best decision ever made.  Just imagine Blu-ray replacing DVDs.  
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#17 Absynthetic
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thats just too bad

I really pity the people who use the ps3 just for gaming.

Its almost like buying Windows Vista Ultimate just to play solitaire

watch a blu ray movie, and you will not want to go back to dvd

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So your telling me that companies have to shell out extra dollars to make games on both formats BluRay and DVD for one console, thats extra packaging and extra authoring, extra duplication it all adds up when you start selling millions of pieces. And on top of that you don't even know how many copies of each version to make. So they now have to issue instead of 20 millions copies of Final Fantasy XIII on BD, an extra 10 million copies on DVD just to satisify a small group of people. The game probably won't fit on a single DVD so thats an extra 30 million copies for 4 DVDs. So instead of shipping out 20 million BluRay Final Fantasy XIII, Square now has to ship an extra 40 million DVDs thats an extra 40 million disks at 6 cents a pop, plus packaging. Just for one console. Thats rediculous. There's a reason why console manfacturers settle on one medium and one stay with it, because nobody wants to eat the overhead cost of a second medium. By your argument the PS2 should also have come with CD and DVD version, because 10 years ago DVDs were also a new medium and cost more money to produce. Let do a calculation for MGS on PS3 assuming its gona use BD50. Now lets assume MGS ships out 20 million copies worldwide. Thats 20 milion BluRays = 1 BD50 = 7 DVDs Thats 20 million BluRays + 140 miilion DVDs = total 160 million disks printed. Thats an extra 140 miilion disks my friend just to satisify a dual format console. Does that make any sense?
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[QUOTE="pimperjones"]What are you gonna do when games get bigger, in a few years games will start reaching 15-20 gig range. You expect game manufacturers to make two different copies of each game one on single BluRay and a second version on 2-3 DVDs. Thats not practicle. No ones gonna do that. Deyee


Oh, you mean how EA, Rockstar, Bethesda and other developers/publishers have already done with Blu-Ray and regular DVD games? Oblivion, Madden(other sports games), and GTA IV upcoming.

Yes, Sony was thinking ahead, but at the same time they were being a smidge too zealous with the Blu-Ray tech.

As a gamer, I honestly don't care about having to get up a couple times to change discs for Blue Dragon. It didn't bother anyone else back in the day with Final Fantasy VII now did it?

Also, I highly doubt that in the next few years that MOST games will be in the 15-20 gig range, maybe a few, but not the majority.

The devs of mass effect were originally thought it that it would impossible for them to fit the game on one DVD. Well, with heavy compression and very efficient code, they managed to BARELY cram the game on one DVD9. Blue Dragon is on 3 DVDs. Blu-ray is neccessary. Deal with it.
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well considering there is usb hardrives it wouldnt be a pro0blem to spend 50 cents make them on dvd discs then the users who didnt want the blue ray could by a usb hardrive and store there dvd discson that for less then the price opf a blue ray player 1 500 gb usb drive 125 bucks at best buy on sale now that can store plenty of 50 gb games on it :) and i am sure is less then the blue ray is to include
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#21 stinkeyb
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thats stupid then one of them wouldn't be able to play games 
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i agree with you completely . but how many of you believe your ps3 will last ten years through lots of gaming. i know the ps3 is much better quality then the ps2 but i went through 5 ps2's that burned out. unless ps3 has some magical technology that makes it unbreakable i highly doubt anyone will have one for ten years. i would much rather buy a toned down ps3 without blue ray that used multi dvds. which cost a developer less then 10 cents a piece to create. over a 600 dollar system that in two to three years could just break and force me to end up forking out another 600 ya knowNofacekilla11

I do not really have the expectation for a PS3 to last for 10 years, but who knows for sure? Hell, my N64 still works fine, lol. Just consider the differences in the PS3 and that technology if you will.:lol: 

I just firmly believe that for the long run, and thinking of your investment long term....the PS3 will indeed deliver more bang for your buck quality and durability wise. Blu Ray is just yet another added bonus that only solidifies that long term value as well....not to mention that it only enhances the entertainment value considerably.

The price is clearly justified when you consider all that you get measured in with a long term point of view....which in the end makes sense and makes it actually worth the price.

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yeha but you cut the price of the ps3 to 400 and your gonnaa gain aabout 2 million more purchases. at least. so yeah it could work. and also game developers could of easily added there games to a marketplace for download and with a detachable harddrive you could just download all your games to it .. just like a pc
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#24 Nofacekilla11
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come on rocket scienti9st i ddidnt say release one that wouldnt be able to play the games
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[QUOTE="Nofacekilla11"]well considering there is usb hardrives it wouldnt be a pro0blem to spend 50 cents make them on dvd discs then the users who didnt want the blue ray could by a usb hardrive and store there dvd discson that for less then the price opf a blue ray player 1 500 gb usb drive 125 bucks at best buy on sale now that can store plenty of 50 gb games on it :) and i am sure is less then the blue ray is to include



Yes that makes perfect sense... Lets say the PS3 without a BR player cost $400 like the premium 360 then you go out and buy a $100 external HDD that totals more than $500. Explain to me why you just wouldn't buy the $500 PS3?....
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#26 Adultgmr77
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I don't know about you, I'm absolutly estatic having a blu-ray player built in.  I just bought a 50" Samsung 1080p HDTV ($1300.00 open box, after selling my last TV for $900.00:D), and hooked up w/hdmi cable and the games and movies look FANTASTIC.  Having a HD game machine and HD movie player w/out spending 3000.00 on an uber computer is GREAT.  By the way I do have a good computer for gaming too.
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If you can convince any game publisher to print out an extra 140 millions DVDs for each AAA title, cause that how many DVDs it'll take to fit 20 million copies of the new Metal Gear Solid on BluRay 50.
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#28 rasstarman
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Do people really believe the PS3 will last 10 years? Are you mad? The PS3 will be 5 years tops before another console is released. In 5 years the PS3 will be old tech and games could look a lot better.
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[QUOTE="jdt532"][QUOTE="Nofacekilla11"]well considering there is usb hardrives it wouldnt be a pro0blem to spend 50 cents make them on dvd discs then the users who didnt want the blue ray could by a usb hardrive and store there dvd discson that for less then the price opf a blue ray player 1 500 gb usb drive 125 bucks at best buy on sale now that can store plenty of 50 gb games on it :) and i am sure is less then the blue ray is to include



Yes that makes perfect sense... Lets say the PS3 without a BR player cost $400 like the premium 360 then you go out and buy a $100 external HDD that totals more than $500. Explain to me why you just wouldn't buy the $500 PS3?....

Einstein at work here.
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because 500 gb of storage space is worth more to me then a blue ray player,. i didnt buy a ps3 for movies. if i want a blue ray player i would go get a blue ray -player as a stand alone when they proove its not gonna be a failed project like lazer discs. thats was the next gen in movie too anyone remember them. for those who want movies with there gaming machine thats cool . i was just thinking alternatives to it. i own one so theres no going back now.. but i would of prefferred to have one without blue ray and stored games through hardrive over a movie player

also i dont see  pc's  needing blue ray players to make quality games.  i havent seen anything on ps3 xbox360 or any other gaming system that has surpassed pc  games

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[QUOTE="Nofacekilla11"]because 500 gb of storage space is worth more to me then a blue ray player,. i didnt buy a ps3 for movies. if i want a blue ray player i would go get a blue ray -player as a stand alone when they proove its not gonna be a failed project like lazer discs. thats was the next gen in movie too anyone remember them. for those who want movies with there gaming machine thats cool . i was just thinking alternatives to it. i own one so theres no going back now.. but i would of prefferred to have one without blue ray and stored games through hardrive over a movie player

Yeah you think Sony's gonna let you rip there million dollar games all onto a hardrive and let you play them off an external HDD. Well maybe Sony should start distributing there games off P2P LOL You do realize that BluRay and HDDVD drives are coming to PC right? In the next 2 years DVD drives will be obsolete and PC games will start being distributed on HD DVD or BluRay. Get real stop holding on to a dying technology, games get bigger, movies get bigger everything gets bigger, DVD is yesterdays news. A new optical medium is bound to replace it live with it.
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i believe sony should of made two versions one with and one without a blue ray player. the blue ray player jetted the price. and i feal ripped off with it. i have no use for the blue ray i bought my ps3 for gaming not moviesNofacekilla11


Stupidest thread ever

I don't think you even have a PS3... it would be ridiculous for someone who owns a PS3 to come out and say: "Yeah, the PS3 has all of these awesome features but I don't really want any of them."  or... "I want a PS3 but I don't want the drive that comes in it."

Where are you coming from exactly?  This just doesn't make logical sense
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[QUOTE="Nofacekilla11"]because 500 gb of storage space is worth more to me then a blue ray player,. i didnt buy a ps3 for movies. if i want a blue ray player i would go get a blue ray -player as a stand alone when they proove its not gonna be a failed project like lazer discs. thats was the next gen in movie too anyone remember them. for those who want movies with there gaming machine thats cool . i was just thinking alternatives to it. i own one so theres no going back now.. but i would of prefferred to have one without blue ray and stored games through hardrive over a movie player



I refuse to educate someone who refuses to listen.

Maybe the previous generation is more suited to you, easier to understand.
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#34 Nofacekilla11
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and you dont think there is already blue ray disc burners being created. and soon you will be seeing ps3 games on the internet piracy circuit come on all technology eventually gets cracked and gets misabused
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#35 rasstarman
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Maybe it can be done like PCs where you must have the original disk to play a game. I see nothing wrong with what the poster is saying.
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i believe sony should of made two versions one with  and one without a blue ray player.   the blue ray player  jetted the price. and i feal ripped off with it. i have no use for the blue ray i bought my ps3 for gaming not  moviesNofacekilla11
If you didnt know that the games that you are playing on are Blu-Ray so I guess your S.O.L. if you want to get new games
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because 500 gb of storage space is worth more to me then a blue ray player,. i didnt buy a ps3 for movies. if i want a blue ray player i would go get a blue ray -player as a stand alone when they proove its not gonna be a failed project like lazer discs. thats was the next gen in movie too anyone remember them. for those who want movies with there gaming machine thats cool . i was just thinking alternatives to it. i own one so theres no going back now.. but i would of prefferred to have one without blue ray and stored games through hardrive over a movie player

also i dont see  pc's  needing blue ray players to make quality games.  i havent seen anything on ps3 xbox360 or any other gaming system that has surpassed pc  games

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What PC games are you playing?
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[QUOTE="pimperjones"][QUOTE="Nofacekilla11"]because 500 gb of storage space is worth more to me then a blue ray player,. i didnt buy a ps3 for movies. if i want a blue ray player i would go get a blue ray -player as a stand alone when they proove its not gonna be a failed project like lazer discs. thats was the next gen in movie too anyone remember them. for those who want movies with there gaming machine thats cool . i was just thinking alternatives to it. i own one so theres no going back now.. but i would of prefferred to have one without blue ray and stored games through hardrive over a movie player

Yeah you think Sony's gonna let you rip there million dollar games all onto a hardrive and let you play them off an external HDD. Well maybe Sony should start distributing there games off P2P LOL You do realize that BluRay and HDDVD drives are coming to PC right? In the next 2 years DVD drives will be obsolete and PC games will start being distributed on HD DVD or BluRay. Get real stop holding on to a dying technology, games get bigger, movies get bigger everything gets bigger, DVD is yesterdays news. A new optical medium is bound to replace it live with it.



LOL, Yeah they could do a promo if you DL 10 free PS3 games off a P2P you get a free 40" 1080p Sony Bravia tv.
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[QUOTE="emeritus"][QUOTE="Nofacekilla11"]because 500 gb of storage space is worth more to me then a blue ray player,. i didnt buy a ps3 for movies. if i want a blue ray player i would go get a blue ray -player as a stand alone when they proove its not gonna be a failed project like lazer discs. thats was the next gen in movie too anyone remember them. for those who want movies with there gaming machine thats cool . i was just thinking alternatives to it. i own one so theres no going back now.. but i would of prefferred to have one without blue ray and stored games through hardrive over a movie player



I refuse to educate someone who refuses to listen.

Maybe the previous generation is more suited to you, easier to understand.

This guy thinks that everything in the universe should all fit into a 4.7 gig DVD. LOL. MGS will use BD50 thats 50 gigs thats 6 DVD9s and 11 DVD5s. Ever try playing game with 11 DVDs. Wait maybe we should go back and start putting all games on CDs thats uhh..lets see 70 CDs for MGS on PS3 you got any duffel bags.
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#40 LiquidMetal14
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Fact of the matter is Sony need to push its new proprietary format and they're wise for choosing the large capacity medium.
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#42 Brendruis
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dont see pc's needing blue ray players to make quality games.Nofacekilla11


PC games are inherently different, friend.  They are stored on the disc in compressed form in an archive then extracted to your hard-drive.

Also my EverQuest and EverQuest 2 directories are both over 10 Gigabytes on my PC
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#43 Brendruis
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If you believe all of that hype then you are an idiot. If you think a PC will need a bluray drive to make good games then you are dead wrong.

rasstarman


I've been following your posting, buddy...calling people idiots and consistently trolling PS3 threads

Will somebody ban this guy please?
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thats what i am saying you could have a disc you load all the info onto a haerxdrive bam you have your game stored . i would of rathered them offer a hardrived version over a blue ray version. the blue ray player besides the gaming aspect is no use to me. and jackass i didnt say download anything for free. i said a marketplace and sony points or credit card purchases could be used to make money through that. i am just saying i would of rathered have a huge hardrive storing my games over the fact i can play a movie in high def whoopity doo. if i wanted a movie player i wouldnt do it through a gaming system
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#45 pimperjones
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 Here's your Metal Gear Solid for PS3 on CD just for you.
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#46 Nofacekilla11
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your right they are and could of beed done on the ps3 as well instead of just the blue ray way. i am saying it is possible without a blue ray player to create next gen gaming
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#47 Brendruis
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[QUOTE="Nofacekilla11"]thats what i am saying you could have a disc you load all the info onto a haerxdrive bam you have your game stored . i would of rathered them offer a hardrived version over a blue ray version. the blue ray player besides the gaming aspect is no use to me. and jackass i didnt say download anything for free. i said a marketplace and sony points or credit card purchases could be used to make money through that. i am just saying i would of rathered have a huge hardrive storing my games over the fact i can play a movie in high def whoopity doo. if i wanted a movie player i wouldnt do it through a gaming system



Maybe that's possible...I don't know... but then it isn't a console anymore really is it?  The whole point of a console is you put the game in the drive and it plays..  You're suggesting that every user would have to install and configure their games... It's much simpler to just put the game in and go
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[QUOTE="pimperjones"] Here's your Metal Gear Solid for PS3 on CD just for you.

Best part is in disc 3246 when you swing off that vine, man thats was off the hook :o
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when i play battlefield 2142 on my pc i just put my game in and go ? its just already stored in my system
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[QUOTE="Nofacekilla11"]thats what i am saying you could have a disc you load all the info onto a haerxdrive bam you have your game stored . i would of rathered them offer a hardrived version over a blue ray version. the blue ray player besides the gaming aspect is no use to me. and jackass i didnt say download anything for free. i said a marketplace and sony points or credit card purchases could be used to make money through that. i am just saying i would of rathered have a huge hardrive storing my games over the fact i can play a movie in high def whoopity doo. if i wanted a movie player i wouldnt do it through a gaming system

A huge hardrives storing all your games on it, hold on I'm getting a vision here. I got it it's called a PC. I already have one and don't need a second one made by Sony thank you very much.