Sony Big Announcement Spoiled
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That's from PS3blog.net. I'm wondering if any of you know what the big announcement was. Is it this whole PS3 home thing? Let me know.
PS Home (nee XBOX Live). Trophies (nee Achievements). Rooms (Your username and Trophies...IN 3D!!!!!!). This is good stuff, but it should have been there from launch. The console was a year late.....it could have been ready.Hulabaloza
That is very easy for people to say when you aren't workting on the system!
Originality is an illusion of the ignorant.
All these companies, Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo rip off each other. All other industries do the same thing. Once a new feature becomes popular it becomes a standard that all other companies need to have on their product. CD media, analog control, rumble, motion sensing controllers.  Look at Apple and Microsoft, they've been ripping each other off for the past 30 years or so. And we've been benefitting because of it.
Yah, home sounds a fair amount like Live, but they did add new features and make it a bit more community oriented. Having a Home with all your trophies that you can probably customize the look and feel just like Myspace, but in 3d. Other than your gamer pict, you really cant customize how people see your info. That seems to be the next step of what Live could become. At least they're adding improvements. Then with the next xbox or wii they will 1up sony and make it better. Thats how progress works. I have to say I'm pretty excited about the idea of Home.
That's from PS3blog.net. I'm wondering if any of you know what the big announcement was. Is it this whole PS3 home thing? Let me know.
I am going to say that this was not the only Big annoucement that is going to be made.
That's what happens. One company waits until others have done something, then they take those ideas and change them around a bit and act like they've created something great. I think it's pretty clear that Sony's trying to implement the best of what everyone else did to stem the criticism. But I'm afraid that this time they're pretty late to the party.bdhoff
You have made it clear several times that you clearly prefer the 360 but that you also struggle with trying to be unbiased.
Did you really forget all the previous comments from Sony about a Matrix like universe on PS3?
Did you also forget about the patents and comments Sony has made about sharing things they bought over PSN with other PS3 users?
Isn't the things described more like Second Life and Everquest?
Heck there's already exists chat-rooms where people can get their own apartments and furniture them.
Digging back in the pasts to comments we have long forggoten draws a picture of what these rumours are saying today, though back then it was soly used for trolling "Sony is so full of it, it will never happen, Matrix BS, lalala".
Yes the the rumours mentions Mii and Live but that's how human communication works. We explains things through the use of examples from things people already are acquainted with.
I mean you claim to be working in the industry so you should know that this isn't something one makes in a day.
My advice is that you gag that inner fanboy more thoroughly and see things how they are instead of how you would like them to be. :)
Can't have that your "But I'm afraid that this time they're pretty late to the party." comment get translated into what you really meant to write "I hope that Sony was too late to join the party". Thinking =/= hoping or wanting.
Come on... every feature in Windows Vista can be 1 to 1 matched to something in a MAC.
A company which doesn't copy the best of the competition is called a "stubborn" company.
The key point required is you have to "improve" upon the design if you want people's respect.
And yes I think its pretty clear that Sony has been developing this for quite awhile and if Kutaragi had a magical WISHING FAIRY I'm pretty sure this would have been implemented years ago.
Obviously Microsoft being a purely Software Company (with too much money) had the advantage of being able to create LIVE easier than Sony did.
However, I dispute that its "too late" to start something. If you truly believe its "too late" then you have a very dark and pessimistic view of industry.
GM used to be unstoppable in automotive. They've clearly been stopped.
Heck.. Before GM the Horse Drawn Carriage was unstoppable.
Anyways peace out.
I am European, so that's an obvious no. Must be hard for you not being able to find anything in my to hit down on, so you had to make the "you do not even have a PS3 yet" even though it's completely out of context and you do not have one your self either. And no I'm not even close to your level of fanboyism, never ever crusaded (a thing you can't claim not to have been doing). :)LOL...Von Gack you are the single largets fanboi for PS3 in the world.
Worse still do you even have a PS3 yet? You should have bought the one I offered you way back least then you'd be playing with something other then sitting here all day.
Yuck_Foo
That's from PS3blog.net. I'm wondering if any of you know what the big announcement was. Is it this whole PS3 home thing? Let me know.
It wouldn't have matted if Sony or Kotaku released the info ahead of time. There STILL HAS TO BE a CONFERENCE (GDC) to showcase the details of what is new. For example, lets say that Sony spilled the beans ahead of the GDC (all the things that Kotaku is saying now). Yeah, and? SHOW US SONY! The proof will be in the pudding. Are you saying that the on-line store is good enough now? Please. ANY improvement is welcomed! And please don't confuse "comment section erupts with praise" with how the gaming community in general views Kotaku. Which is quite the opposite. The comment section on Kotaku is crawling with Wii fanboys and some xbots. Right now, xbots heads are exploding...and wii boys are crying. In a few weeks all none of this will matter because we'll (well, most of us) will be looking forward to the up coming games, and upgrades. Kotaku stays the same - sleasy bastards! Sony improves - Moves on to great things!
[QUOTE="Yuck_Foo"]I am European, so that's an obvious no. Must be hard for you not being able to find anything in my to hit down on, so you had to make the "you do not even have a PS3 yet" even though it's completely out of context and you do not have one your self either. And no I'm not even close to your level of fanboyism, never ever crusaded (a thing you can't claim not to have been doing). :) Gak you know full well I had my 360 day after launch, 2 PS3’s the day before launch and the Wii on launch. You also know I sold my 2nd 360 at Christmas and my 2nd PS3 the same day. I so wish I had picked up multiple Wii’s but I didn’t think it would take off like it did. Only thing you refuse to acknowledge is that I look for value in products. At this point there is no value to owning a PS3, not compared to a PS2, Wii and yes 360. So regardless of what rumors surround things, current state of affairs is just that. Sorry if your beloved company is not holding it’s own, but to be fair…I’ve supported them more then you have at this point, they have my money.LOL...Von Gack you are the single largets fanboi for PS3 in the world.
Worse still do you even have a PS3 yet? You should have bought the one I offered you way back least then you'd be playing with something other then sitting here all day.
Team-CSC
I think this statement sums up the situation:I love your post man, I totally agree what with you typed.
Originality is an illusion of the ignorant.
All these companies, Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo rip off each other. All other industries do the same thing. Once a new feature becomes popular it becomes a standard that all other companies need to have on their product. CD media, analog control, rumble, motion sensing controllers.  Look at Apple and Microsoft, they've been ripping each other off for the past 30 years or so. And we've been benefitting because of it.
Yah, home sounds a fair amount like Live, but they did add new features and make it a bit more community oriented. Having a Home with all your trophies that you can probably customize the look and feel just like Myspace, but in 3d. Other than your gamer pict, you really cant customize how people see your info. That seems to be the next step of what Live could become. At least they're adding improvements. Then with the next xbox or wii they will 1up sony and make it better. Thats how progress works. I have to say I'm pretty excited about the idea of Home.
ajefferism
Come on... every feature in Windows Vista can be 1 to 1 matched to something in a MAC.Who cares? Vista is still going to dominate. The value of a product isn't measured in anything but how much profit it makes.....how much it sells. Vista is the best choice for most people. Mac is overpriced quirky software that only runs on overpriced hardware. It's like a Porsche, quirky, overpriced, not many people can ride it.....but nice if you you can deal with its limits.
A company which doesn't copy the best of the competition is called a "stubborn" company.UntoldDreams
Based on performance BetaMax was better than VHS, XBOX was better than PS2, etc.......does this matter? No. In both those cases the winner was the winner for a reason.
It might not be 'too late'...but it's far later than it should be. Sony was dominant in gaming and gave a wealthy, vicious competitor, the chance to not just get their foot in the door....but become the 'go to' source for online console gaming. Is it too late for the PS brand to survive? No. Is it too late to for Sony to still be dominant? Yes, I think so.The key point required is you have to "improve" upon the design if you want people's respect. And yes I think its pretty clear that Sony has been developing this for quite awhile and if Kutaragi had a magical WISHING FAIRY I'm pretty sure this would have been implemented years ago.
Obviously Microsoft being a purely Software Company (with too much money) had the advantage of being able to create LIVE easier than Sony did.
However, I dispute that its "too late" to start something. If you truly believe its "too late" then you have a very dark and pessimistic view of industry.
GM used to be unstoppable in automotive. They've clearly been stopped.
Heck.. Before GM the Horse Drawn Carriage was unstoppable.
Anyways peace out.
I hate Microsoft as much as the next guy....but only cause it's usually David vs the Goliath MS Monopoly. In Goliath MIcrosoft vs Goliath Sony.....with MS coming in at ground zero.....I won't shed a tear for Sony.
The fact is....if it wasn't for Microsoft there would be no online console gaming right now...or it would be pretty pathetic. Competition - improving on what the other guy is offering - is why a free market can make things better. I'm all for this. If Sony can MySpace/2ndLife it up, make online play even better, then that should add alot.
Is it too late to for Sony to still be dominant? Yes, I think so. HulabalozaSo, what you are saying is that Sony can't "be dominant" in the first 3-4 months after it's release? So, tell me? When was the last Playstation releaesd? Reminder, SIX 1/2 years ago! How old were you then? Think about it. Talk to me in 3-4 years. If you are still around.
[QUOTE="Hulabaloza"]Is it too late to for Sony to still be dominant? Yes, I think so. gizmo_logixSo, what you are saying is that Sony can't "be dominant" in the first 3-4 months after it's release? So, tell me? When was the last Playstation releaesd? Reminder, SIX 1/2 years ago! How old were you then? Think about it. Talk to me in 3-4 years. If you are still around.
The PS2 took off cause of a few things:
1. A huge game - GTA (which, like most games, are multiplatform now)
2. Hit the sweet spot with a new technology everyone wanted - DVD (BD might have done this in a couple years when price is lower and there was more demand)
3. Head start - the PS2 has a very weak first year, like the PS3 (or 360 or any console really), but got by cause the competition was weak (Dreamcast) or just not there yet (Gamecube/XBOX)
The PS3 is in third place total and in sales. It won't do any better after a price drop on the 360. Sony has to lower the price to be competitive, just be competitive.....there is really no way they can dominate like last gen. That's a fantasy at this point. The PS3 has one thing....brand and even that is damaged. Price is a huge anchor. It has a negative advantage in games cause of the late start. I'm just being realistic here, not predicting doom.....just saying that PS dominance is over, and nothing short of a $300-400 price drop, can change that.
[QUOTE="gizmo_logix"][QUOTE="Hulabaloza"]Is it too late to for Sony to still be dominant? Yes, I think so. HulabalozaSo, what you are saying is that Sony can't "be dominant" in the first 3-4 months after it's release? So, tell me? When was the last Playstation releaesd? Reminder, SIX 1/2 years ago! How old were you then? Think about it. Talk to me in 3-4 years. If you are still around.
The PS2 took off cause of a few things:
1. A huge game - GTA (which, like most games, are multiplatform now)
2. Hit the sweet spot with a new technology everyone wanted - DVD (BD might have done this in a couple years when price is lower and there was more demand)
3. Head start - the PS2 has a very weak first year, like the PS3 (or 360 or any console really), but got by cause the competition was weak (Dreamcast) or just not there yet (Gamecube/XBOX)
The PS3 is in third place total and in sales. It won't do any better after a price drop on the 360. Sony has to lower the price to be competitive, just be competitive.....there is really no way they can dominate like last gen. That's a fantasy at this point. The PS3 has one thing....brand and even that is damaged. Price is a huge anchor. It has a negative advantage in games cause of the late start. I'm just being realistic here, not predicting doom.....just saying that PS dominance is over, and nothing short of a $300-400 price drop, can change that. I'll reply to this later. Most of your points I agree on. But they are obvious. I'll post back later with some not so obvious factors of why the PS3 will dominate again.
[QUOTE="gizmo_logix"][QUOTE="Hulabaloza"]Is it too late to for Sony to still be dominant? Yes, I think so. HulabalozaSo, what you are saying is that Sony can't "be dominant" in the first 3-4 months after it's release? So, tell me? When was the last Playstation releaesd? Reminder, SIX 1/2 years ago! How old were you then? Think about it. Talk to me in 3-4 years. If you are still around.
The PS2 took off cause of a few things:
1. A huge game - GTA (which, like most games, are multiplatform now)
2. Hit the sweet spot with a new technology everyone wanted - DVD (BD might have done this in a couple years when price is lower and there was more demand)
3. Head start - the PS2 has a very weak first year, like the PS3 (or 360 or any console really), but got by cause the competition was weak (Dreamcast) or just not there yet (Gamecube/XBOX)
The PS3 is in third place total and in sales. It won't do any better after a price drop on the 360. Sony has to lower the price to be competitive, just be competitive.....there is really no way they can dominate like last gen. That's a fantasy at this point. The PS3 has one thing....brand and even that is damaged. Price is a huge anchor. It has a negative advantage in games cause of the late start. I'm just being realistic here, not predicting doom.....just saying that PS dominance is over, and nothing short of a $300-400 price drop, can change that. since you believe in your crystal ball so much, why don't you tell me the lottery numbers for tomorrow's drawing.....since your crystal ball can tell the future.
[QUOTE="Hulabaloza"]PS Home (nee XBOX Live). Trophies (nee Achievements). Rooms (Your username and Trophies...IN 3D!!!!!!). This is good stuff, but it should have been there from launch. The console was a year late.....it could have been ready.Ericvon71
That is very easy for people to say when you aren't workting on the system!
True, though everyone keep your panties on. It's still only a rumor.if this were the case then everyone is copying Atari for having a conole that plays games and has a controller.
YOU ARE A GOD DAMN FOOL! Who cares if you have been playing with people for several years, that doesnt mean S%$T when you get down to brass tax. Look, gamers will go to whatever they deem as cool. Sony has never said they are trying to make a product that is better than XBL. Rather, comparable to XBL. OF course there wont be a ton of people in the community right away, NOT EVERYONE HAS ONE YET! Please stop your pointless fanboy drivel and look at the world around you. This is not about one service being better than the other, its about new markets. Sony is offering something they really havent attempted before, so there focus is on the current owners and potential future owners of there product. In marketing there is a concept called, "The Product Life Cycle". There are the Introduction products, they are things that are brand new, such as the Wii. There there are the Growth products such as the 360 and PS3, they are the current products out on the market. Then you have Maturity, when a product is at the peak of its profitability, and of course, then there is decline. A few years ago, with the release of XBL on the original Xbox, consumers were finally given online games (although PC's have had it for many years) on a console. PS2 had this function as well, but it was deemed not as good as XBL. Which, even I will admit was true. Then with the PS3, you have what marketers would refer to as a competitor. As in, Sony noticed the changes made with XBL and is attmepting to offer the same product at a competative price. In this case, it cost nothing. Aside from the actual price tag of the system. What I am trying to say here, is Sony is doing exactly what a computer company, shampoo company or even a car company would do: making the market competative by offer the same type of product at a lower cost. There is no copying here (to a certain extent, meaning Sony is not taking XBL and calling it PSL) they are only meeting a demand of the consumer, and offering a quality product to people who buy THEIR product. So all that crap about community not happening on the PSN is a joke. Lets call XBL the city right now, but PSN is the emerging town.
very very nice
YOU ARE A GOD DAMN FOOL! Who cares if you have been playing with people for several years, that doesnt mean S%$T when you get down to brass tax. Look, gamers will go to whatever they deem as cool. Sony has never said they are trying to make a product that is better than XBL. Rather, comparable to XBL. OF course there wont be a ton of people in the community right away, NOT EVERYONE HAS ONE YET! Please stop your pointless fanboy drivel and look at the world around you. This is not about one service being better than the other, its about new markets. Sony is offering something they really havent attempted before, so there focus is on the current owners and potential future owners of there product. In marketing there is a concept called, "The Product Life Cycle". There are the Introduction products, they are things that are brand new, such as the Wii. There there are the Growth products such as the 360 and PS3, they are the current products out on the market. Then you have Maturity, when a product is at the peak of its profitability, and of course, then there is decline. A few years ago, with the release of XBL on the original Xbox, consumers were finally given online games (although PC's have had it for many years) on a console. PS2 had this function as well, but it was deemed not as good as XBL. Which, even I will admit was true. Then with the PS3, you have what marketers would refer to as a competitor. As in, Sony noticed the changes made with XBL and is attmepting to offer the same product at a competative price. In this case, it cost nothing. Aside from the actual price tag of the system. What I am trying to say here, is Sony is doing exactly what a computer company, shampoo company or even a car company would do: making the market competative by offer the same type of product at a lower cost. There is no copying here (to a certain extent, meaning Sony is not taking XBL and calling it PSL) they are only meeting a demand of the consumer, and offering a quality product to people who buy THEIR product. So all that crap about community not happening on the PSN is a joke. Lets call XBL the city right now, but PSN is the emerging town.
JoeyDrey
Again....I don't care who copies who.
The product life cycle doesn't live in a vacuum. Sony is introducing a product into a well established market. Yes, it has new features, but what actually will drive people to it? The only thing is games.  People playing....games made by.....developers.
The people attracted to the PS3 aren't as likely into online games. The established games for the PS brand are mostly one player jobs. Developers (take the recent Virtua Tennis or VF5) aren't looking at the system as a place for online gaming. The community isn't there. Not a problem if you live in a vacuum....you can just create it. Unfortunately someone is already filling the space....XBL.
Take GRAW....if you are a huge fan of the series or Tom Clancy games in general....which console are you likely to buy them on? Halo 2.... Racing games like PGR and Forza..... Look at the lists of what people are playing.  Look at the established -online- games.
Yes, if Sony delivers the GTA sized hit of this gen - for online play - they can get the marketshare back.....but that's their only chance....THEY have to deliver it. If a 3rd party devleoper has an online game you can bet they will target the 360 & XBL. If a game has online play, the 360 will get the most focus. Compare that with GTA....it came from a 3rd party and pretty much made the PS2 what it was.
[QUOTE="JoeyDrey"]YOU ARE A GOD DAMN FOOL! Who cares if you have been playing with people for several years, that doesnt mean S%$T when you get down to brass tax. Look, gamers will go to whatever they deem as cool. Sony has never said they are trying to make a product that is better than XBL. Rather, comparable to XBL. OF course there wont be a ton of people in the community right away, NOT EVERYONE HAS ONE YET! Please stop your pointless fanboy drivel and look at the world around you. This is not about one service being better than the other, its about new markets. Sony is offering something they really havent attempted before, so there focus is on the current owners and potential future owners of there product. In marketing there is a concept called, "The Product Life Cycle". There are the Introduction products, they are things that are brand new, such as the Wii. There there are the Growth products such as the 360 and PS3, they are the current products out on the market. Then you have Maturity, when a product is at the peak of its profitability, and of course, then there is decline. A few years ago, with the release of XBL on the original Xbox, consumers were finally given online games (although PC's have had it for many years) on a console. PS2 had this function as well, but it was deemed not as good as XBL. Which, even I will admit was true. Then with the PS3, you have what marketers would refer to as a competitor. As in, Sony noticed the changes made with XBL and is attmepting to offer the same product at a competative price. In this case, it cost nothing. Aside from the actual price tag of the system. What I am trying to say here, is Sony is doing exactly what a computer company, shampoo company or even a car company would do: making the market competative by offer the same type of product at a lower cost. There is no copying here (to a certain extent, meaning Sony is not taking XBL and calling it PSL) they are only meeting a demand of the consumer, and offering a quality product to people who buy THEIR product. So all that crap about community not happening on the PSN is a joke. Lets call XBL the city right now, but PSN is the emerging town.
Hulabaloza
Again....I don't care who copies who.
The product life cycle doesn't live in a vacuum. Sony is introducing a product that is well established. Yes, it has new features, but what actually will drive people to it? People playing....games made by.....developers.
The people attracted to the PS3 aren't as likely into online games. The established games for the PS brand are mostly one player jobs. Developers (take the recent Virtua Tennis or VF5) aren't looking at the system as a place for online gaming. The community isn't there. Not a problem if you live in a vacuum....you can just create it. Unfortunately someone is already filling the space....XBL.
Take GRAW....if you are a huge fan of the series or Tom Clancy games in general....which console are you likely to buy them on? Halo 2.... Racing games like PGR and Forza..... Look at the lists of what people are playing.
Yes, if Sony delivers the GTA sized hit of this gen - for online play - they can come back.....but that's their only chance....THEY have to deliver it. If a 3rd party devleoper has an online game you can bet they will target the 360 & XBL. If a game has online play, the 360 will get the most focus. Compare that with GTA....it came from a 3rd party and pretty much made the PS2 what it was.
i disagree. to assume that grand theft auto was the only game series that made the ps2 what it is seems to be a bit shortsided. look at the MGS series, the Final Fantasy Series, the SOCOM series (i could go on but you get the point) the fact is that all the people that hate the ps3 are seeing that Sony is making positive steps to improve their product and then make rash comments such as the one you ended your last post with. While GTA did alot for the PS2, it wasn't the only game that made it what it was, and the same will be for the PS3 (or the 360 for that matter): one game cannot determine the fate of the system!
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