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#1 joevfx
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is the title of this article

http://spong.com/article/11947?cb=183

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#2 LoboSolo
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That may be true, but they don't have the cash that M$ has laying around.
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#3 Nike_Air
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" So, why, then with this enormous workforce have we still neither seen nor heard rumour of a truly great, genre-busting game for the platform? "

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#4 Caduceus06
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Thanks for the post. I'm supporting the console, but bigger doesn't necessarily mean better. We're still early in the console development cycle, as others are always talking about, and apparently willing to forgive the 360, but not the PS3. Anyway, lets see where we are in 12 months as far as SCEA products and other 2nd and 3rd party development projects and see if bigger is better.
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Been stating this for a very long time, thanks for confirming it. :)
That may be true, but they don't have the cash that M$ has laying around.LoboSolo
But they lack the talent, highly skilled and experienced developers do not just walk the street, it takes time to build up studios. Sony has been spendig the last 10 years on building up its 1'st party through a program of many small games letting the staff become more skilled.
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Wow, that's amazing.  Third under EA and Ubi.  That's a huge amount of creative resource.  To be able to have a 1st party development program to rival the two largest multi-plat developers is truly an advantage.
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#7 kingtito
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is the title of this article

http://spong.com/article/11947?cb=183

joevfx

Your topic is a bit misleading.

"Sony Computer Entertainment Studios employs some 2,200 developers across 14 different studios… it has more programmers, artists, audio technicians and designers than Microsoft and Nintendo combined."

You should have said that Sony has more developers than Microsoft and Nintendo combined. Just wanted to point that out.

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Wow, that's amazing.  Third under EA and Ubi.  That's a huge amount of creative resource.  To be able to have a 1st party development program to rival the two largest multi-plat developers is truly an advantage.emitsu97
And it's 2200 focused on PS2, PSP and PS3 only. The other got their resources more videly spread. I wonder if SOE was included too because they only talked about SWW.
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#9 washimul
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[QUOTE="joevfx"]

is the title of this article

http://spong.com/article/11947?cb=183

kingtito

Your topic is a bit misleading.

"Sony Computer Entertainment Studios employs some 2,200 developers across 14 different studios… it has more programmers, artists, audio technicians and designers than Microsoft and Nintendo combined."

You should have said that Sony has more developers than Microsoft and Nintendo combined. Just wanted to point that out.

as a company........SONY has over 200 billion in assets compared to 100+ for MS.

SONY film division + SETUSA are i believe almost half as MS.

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#10 kingtito
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[QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="joevfx"]

is the title of this article

http://spong.com/article/11947?cb=183

washimul

Your topic is a bit misleading.

"Sony Computer Entertainment Studios employs some 2,200 developers across 14 different studios… it has more programmers, artists, audio technicians and designers than Microsoft and Nintendo combined."

You should have said that Sony has more developers than Microsoft and Nintendo combined. Just wanted to point that out.

as a company........SONY has over 200 billion in assets compared to 100+ for MS.

SONY film division + SETUSA are i believe almost half as MS.

Interesting...where did you find this information.

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#11 Deihmos
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Sony sales are much more than Microsoft but Microsoft profits are much higher. Microsoft market value is also more than 3x more than Sony. Sony does not have 200 billion in assets so stop makign up data.
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#12 Team-CSC
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Sony sales are much more than Microsoft but Microsoft profits are much higher. Microsoft market value is also more than 3x more than Sony. Sony does not have 200 billion in assets so stop makign up data.Deihmos
You seem to be mixing up the value of the stocks with the value of the assets. Had you taken both companies, broken them up and then sold them them piece by piece Sony would have been worth a lot more. But as you said, monopoly gives Microsoft much higher profits.
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" So, why, then with this enormous workforce have we still neither seen nor heard rumour of a truly great, genre-busting game for the platform? "

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cause the system has only been out for 3 months
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#14 joevfx
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[QUOTE="joevfx"]

is the title of this article

http://spong.com/article/11947?cb=183

kingtito

Your topic is a bit misleading.

"Sony Computer Entertainment Studios employs some 2,200 developers across 14 different studios… it has more programmers, artists, audio technicians and designers than Microsoft and Nintendo combined."

You should have said that Sony has more developers than Microsoft and Nintendo combined. Just wanted to point that out.

my topic sint misleasing, i said that it was the title of the article and it is.
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#15 kingtito
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Sony sales are much more than Microsoft but Microsoft profits are much higher. Microsoft market value is also more than 3x more than Sony. Sony does not have 200 billion in assets so stop makign up data.Deihmos

Sony is number 65 on the World Fortune 500 list and MS isn't in the top 100 but MS profits were much much higher.

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#16 kingtito
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[QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="joevfx"]

is the title of this article

http://spong.com/article/11947?cb=183

joevfx

Your topic is a bit misleading.

"Sony Computer Entertainment Studios employs some 2,200 developers across 14 different studios… it has more programmers, artists, audio technicians and designers than Microsoft and Nintendo combined."

You should have said that Sony has more developers than Microsoft and Nintendo combined. Just wanted to point that out.

my topic sint misleasing, i said that it was the title of the article and it is.

You're right

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#17 8Slick8
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of course SONY is bigger than microsoft and nintendo i mean they have games, computers, music, movies ect. the list grows but them as a company hell yeah
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#18 Team-CSC
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[QUOTE="joevfx"][QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="joevfx"]

is the title of this article

http://spong.com/article/11947?cb=183

kingtito

Your topic is a bit misleading.

"Sony Computer Entertainment Studios employs some 2,200 developers across 14 different studios… it has more programmers, artists, audio technicians and designers than Microsoft and Nintendo combined."

You should have said that Sony has more developers than Microsoft and Nintendo combined. Just wanted to point that out.

my topic sint misleasing, i said that it was the title of the article and it is.

You're right

Misleading title of the article. :D
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[QUOTE="Deihmos"]Sony sales are much more than Microsoft but Microsoft profits are much higher. Microsoft market value is also more than 3x more than Sony. Sony does not have 200 billion in assets so stop makign up data.kingtito

Sony is number 65 on the World Fortune 500 list and MS isn't in the top 100 but MS profits were much much higher.

You are probably looking at the top international companies list. Ms is listed as #47 on the top 2000 global company list and Sony is #123.

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[QUOTE="kingtito"]

[QUOTE="Deihmos"]Sony sales are much more than Microsoft but Microsoft profits are much higher. Microsoft market value is also more than 3x more than Sony. Sony does not have 200 billion in assets so stop makign up data.Deihmos

Sony is number 65 on the World Fortune 500 list and MS isn't in the top 100 but MS profits were much much higher.

You are probably looking at the top international companies list.

Both are international companies.
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[QUOTE="kingtito"]

[QUOTE="Deihmos"]Sony sales are much more than Microsoft but Microsoft profits are much higher. Microsoft market value is also more than 3x more than Sony. Sony does not have 200 billion in assets so stop makign up data.Deihmos

Sony is number 65 on the World Fortune 500 list and MS isn't in the top 100 but MS profits were much much higher.

You are probably looking at the top international companies list. Ms is listed as #47 on the top 2000 global company list and Sony is not in the top 100.

Would be nice with links confirming all these claims.
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#22 Deihmos
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Can you show me this list ? Here is a link from forbes Link  since you doubt. Plus Microsoft is a USA company and Sony is Japan.
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" So, why, then with this enormous workforce have we still neither seen nor heard rumour of a truly great, genre-busting game for the platform? "

Nike_Air
probably because its only been out for 4 months..
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#24 Team-CSC
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Can you show me this list ? Here is a link from forbes Link  since you doubt.Deihmos
:) I found Sony Technology hardware & equipment on spot 123 but it doesn't seem to include the other Sony branches. Am I mistaken?
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#25 eclipsed4utoo
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Can you show me this list ? Here is a link from forbes Link since you doubt. Plus Microsoft is a USA company and Sony is Japan.Deihmos
in your link, what are they being ranked by? They are not being ranked by sales, or profits, or assets, or market value. So what exactly are they being ranked on? and who cares what country they are from. why does that matter?
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#26 joevfx
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[QUOTE="Nike_Air"]" So, why, then with this enormous workforce have we still neither seen nor heard rumour of a truly great, genre-busting game for the platform? "

Uzburacuz9
probably because its only been out for 4 months..

haha i said the same thing, people expect good games to grow on trees an the publishers just pluck them off when they are ripe.
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[QUOTE="Team-CSC"]Been stating this for a very long time, thanks for confirming it. :)
That may be true, but they don't have the cash that M$ has laying around.LoboSolo
But they lack the talent, highly skilled and experienced developers do not just walk the street, it takes time to build up studios. Sony has been spendig the last 10 years on building up its 1'st party through a program of many small games letting the staff become more skilled.

You make it sound like working for microsoft isn't the dream job for most programmers (outside of Google maybe, but thats only recently).
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#28 Deihmos
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[QUOTE="Deihmos"]Can you show me this list ? Here is a link from forbes Link since you doubt. Plus Microsoft is a USA company and Sony is Japan.eclipsed4utoo
in your link, what are they being ranked by? They are not being ranked by sales, or profits, or assets, or market value. So what exactly are they being ranked on? and who cares what country they are from. why does that matter?

These global giants, ranked on a composite score for sales, profits, assets and market value, had a good year. Combined, they show a 10% gain in sales, 32% in profits, 10% in assets and 17% in market capitalization over last year. Here is an updates list for 2006. Sony is 105 and MS is 55. Link
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#29 joevfx
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[QUOTE="bballboy986"][QUOTE="Team-CSC"]Been stating this for a very long time, thanks for confirming it. :)
That may be true, but they don't have the cash that M$ has laying around.LoboSolo
But they lack the talent, highly skilled and experienced developers do not just walk the street, it takes time to build up studios. Sony has been spendig the last 10 years on building up its 1'st party through a program of many small games letting the staff become more skilled.

You make it sound like working for microsoft isn't the dream job for most programmers (outside of Google maybe, but thats only recently).

my best friend programs for google, he hates it, gets piad a hell of alot , but hates it.
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#30 Team-CSC
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[QUOTE="bballboy986"][QUOTE="Team-CSC"]Been stating this for a very long time, thanks for confirming it. :)
That may be true, but they don't have the cash that M$ has laying around.LoboSolo
But they lack the talent, highly skilled and experienced developers do not just walk the street, it takes time to build up studios. Sony has been spendig the last 10 years on building up its 1'st party through a program of many small games letting the staff become more skilled.

You make it sound like working for microsoft isn't the dream job for most programmers (outside of Google maybe, but thats only recently).

Um now you are mixing up game developers with OS and design engineers. :) Also think of MS needs to take the developers from already established studios like EA, Ubisoft, Capcom, THQ, Activision and so on. Those comming straight out uni aren't much worth due to lack of creative experience.
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#31 kingtito
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Here is the list i was going by.

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/global500/2006/full_list/

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#32 useLOGIC
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w00t @ what i have said all along: teh sony's first party is teh w00tsauce.
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That may be true, but they don't have the cash that M$ has laying around.LoboSolo
I'm pretty sure Sony's just as rich as Microsoft.
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#34 Team-CSC
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Judging the size of Sony and its revenue is very hard as many of its branches like Sony Ericcson and their disc production are sister companies where Sony owns a big share but the revenue from those companies aren't included in Sony's official revenue. So Sony Ericsson having a great year can't be seen from anything else than the share value increase.
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Just cause Sony has 2,200 people working for them doesn't mean the PS3 will have the best first party games. When it comes to game developers quality is better than quantity. If Sony would trim 500 employees that aren't very good and then take the cash they saved and hire Hideo Kojima or someone like that they would be way better off. What first party games so far has been any good for the PS3? None... Resistance was created by Insomniac which I think is a third party or second party actually cause they mainly make games for Sony consoles.
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[QUOTE="LoboSolo"]That may be true, but they don't have the cash that M$ has laying around.espoac
I'm pretty sure Sony's just as rich as Microsoft.

Sony is no where as profitable as Microsoft. Microsoft sales were $46.06 bil Profits:$11.91 bil. Sony Sales $68.58 bil Profit $1.08 bil
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#37 Team-CSC
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Just cause Sony has 2,200 people working for them doesn't mean the PS3 will have the best first party games. When it comes to game developers quality is better than quantity. If Sony would trim 500 employees that aren't very good and then take the cash they saved and hire Hideo Kojima or someone like that they would be way better off. What first party games so far has been any good for the PS3? None... Resistance was created by Insomniac which I think is a third party or second party actually cause they mainly make games for Sony consoles.jdt532
Would be a tad too early to yell for top notch 1'st party titles, the console has only been out for a very short time. But we can just look at what Sony 1'st party has made for the PS2, not too shabby. And as I said, it takes time to establish good dev studios.
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There a couple of questions though that I think are important here: 1) How much of that is already tied up in investments? 2) How does their net revenue compare on average?
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" So, why, then with this enormous workforce have we still neither seen nor heard rumour of a truly great, genre-busting game for the platform? "

Nike_Air
Uh, because you don't pull a game out your a**. It actually has to be created (concepts, writers and developers). Plus, on the graphical side. That will take time due to the learning curve of the Cell and tools. The 2,200 developer has to be in place to even make the games in the first place. What? Should they not have those 1st party devs and then expect to make the games? I can't believe the author of the article actually asked that question. 
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[QUOTE="bballboy986"] You make it sound like working for microsoft isn't the dream job for most programmers (outside of Google maybe, but thats only recently).

Its not...Microsoft has become an oppressive, backwards, slow-moving company that is far more similar to IBM during the 70s and 80s than Microsoft would ever care to admit. For one, I would prefer working at Google, Yahoo, IBM, Sun Microsystems, Apple, or any number of other places. While we're at it: Sony first-parties kill Microsoft's first-parties. Microsoft essentially has Bungie and thats it. Sony has Psygnosis, Naughty Dog, Studio Santa Monica, Zipper Interactive, London Studio, Incognito, Studio Japan, Clap Hanz, and Team Ico. While you may not have heard of several of these groups you've certainly heard of games they make.
What first party games so far has been any good for the PS3? None... Resistance was created by Insomniac which I think is a third party or second party actually cause they mainly make games for Sony consoles.jdt532
What first-party games have been released? One, maybe two and by most accounts Formula One is a solid racing game rated 80/100 or above.
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[QUOTE="joevfx"]

is the title of this article

http://spong.com/article/11947?cb=183

kingtito

Your topic is a bit misleading.

"Sony Computer Entertainment Studios employs some 2,200 developers across 14 different studios… it has more programmers, artists, audio technicians and designers than Microsoft and Nintendo combined."

You should have said that Sony has more developers than Microsoft and Nintendo combined. Just wanted to point that out.

I agree, this really doesnt mean much at all. The games speak for themselves. Sony does have pretty solid first party games, but overall I think Nintendo takes it.

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[QUOTE="bballboy986"] You make it sound like working for microsoft isn't the dream job for most programmers (outside of Google maybe, but thats only recently).Runningflame570
Its not...Microsoft has become an oppressive, backwards, slow-moving company that is far more similar to IBM during the 70s and 80s than Microsoft would ever care to admit. For one, I would prefer working at Google, Yahoo, IBM, Sun Microsystems, Apple, or any number of other places. While we're at it: Sony first-parties kill Microsoft's first-parties. Microsoft essentially has Bungie and thats it. Sony has Psygnosis, Naughty Dog, Studio Santa Monica, Zipper Interactive, London Studio, Incognito, Studio Japan, Clap Hanz, and Team Ico. While you may not have heard of several of these groups you've certainly heard of games they make.
What first party games so far has been any good for the PS3? None... Resistance was created by Insomniac which I think is a third party or second party actually cause they mainly make games for Sony consoles.jdt532
What first-party games have been released? One, maybe two and by most accounts Formula One is a solid racing game rated 80/100 or above.

I would love to work at EBAY. EBAY employee's have it made. They get free lunches, high wages and onsite gym. I wouldn't mind any of the other company's either.

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[QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="joevfx"]

is the title of this article

http://spong.com/article/11947?cb=183

nish14

Your topic is a bit misleading.

"Sony Computer Entertainment Studios employs some 2,200 developers across 14 different studios… it has more programmers, artists, audio technicians and designers than Microsoft and Nintendo combined."

You should have said that Sony has more developers than Microsoft and Nintendo combined. Just wanted to point that out.

I agree, this really doesnt mean much at all. The games speak for themselves. Sony does have pretty solid first party games, but overall I think Nintendo takes it.

That's your opinion and a question about taste. When not being nostalgic I'd say the 1'st party Nintendo titles weren't very good last gen compared to Sony's 1'st party titles.
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#44 jdt532
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[QUOTE="jdt532"]What first party games so far has been any good for the PS3? None... Resistance was created by Insomniac which I think is a third party or second party actually cause they mainly make games for Sony consoles.Runningflame570
What first-party games have been released? One, maybe two and by most accounts Formula One is a solid racing game rated 80/100 or above.



Here are the Sony developed games and their average rating from metacritic.com

Untold Legends 59/100

NBA 07 63/100

Formula One: CE 74/100

Flow average rating from GS, IGN and 1up is 7.2

Motorstorm so far has one rating from IGN which is 8.9

The average for all these ratings is 7.1, I'd say Sony needs to step it up and make better PS3 games...
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#45 NextGenNow
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[QUOTE="washimul"][QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="joevfx"]

is the title of this article

http://spong.com/article/11947?cb=183

kingtito

Your topic is a bit misleading.

"Sony Computer Entertainment Studios employs some 2,200 developers across 14 different studios… it has more programmers, artists, audio technicians and designers than Microsoft and Nintendo combined."

You should have said that Sony has more developers than Microsoft and Nintendo combined. Just wanted to point that out.

as a company........SONY has over 200 billion in assets compared to 100+ for MS.

SONY film division + SETUSA are i believe almost half as MS.

Interesting...where did you find this information.

Thats common knowledge dude...just check out their earning for the last fiscal year (2006)
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#46 NextGenNow
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[QUOTE="Runningflame570"][QUOTE="jdt532"]What first party games so far has been any good for the PS3? None... Resistance was created by Insomniac which I think is a third party or second party actually cause they mainly make games for Sony consoles.jdt532
What first-party games have been released? One, maybe two and by most accounts Formula One is a solid racing game rated 80/100 or above.



Here are the Sony developed games and their average rating from metacritic.com

Untold Legends 59/100

NBA 07 63/100

Formula One: CE 74/100

Flow average rating from GS, IGN and 1up is 7.2

Motorstorm so far has one rating from IGN which is 8.9

The average for all these ratings is 7.1, I'd say Sony needs to step it up and make better PS3 games...

I go by Game Informer IGN 1Up is garbage....Plus you forgot Resistance....
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#47 jdt532
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[QUOTE="jdt532"][QUOTE="Runningflame570"][QUOTE="jdt532"]What first party games so far has been any good for the PS3? None... Resistance was created by Insomniac which I think is a third party or second party actually cause they mainly make games for Sony consoles.NextGenNow
What first-party games have been released? One, maybe two and by most accounts Formula One is a solid racing game rated 80/100 or above.



Here are the Sony developed games and their average rating from metacritic.com

Untold Legends 59/100

NBA 07 63/100

Formula One: CE 74/100

Flow average rating from GS, IGN and 1up is 7.2

Motorstorm so far has one rating from IGN which is 8.9

The average for all these ratings is 7.1, I'd say Sony needs to step it up and make better PS3 games...

I go by Game Informer IGN 1Up is garbage....Plus you forgot Resistance....



Everyone has their opinion on which game review publication is best.... Anyway Resistance was created by Insomniac which isn't a first party developer.
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#48 HawksNDoves
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[QUOTE="Uzburacuz9"][QUOTE="Nike_Air"]" So, why, then with this enormous workforce have we still neither seen nor heard rumour of a truly great, genre-busting game for the platform? "

joevfx
probably because its only been out for 4 months..

haha i said the same thing, people expect good games to grow on trees an the publishers just pluck them off when they are ripe.

I think most people expect the next gen systems to have amazing games right from the start. After spending 600+ on the PS3 and the best game is only Resistance... some disapointment is acceptable. This is not a troll post... Microsoft did the same thing with the 360. However, I think everyone (at the time) expected more from Sony. They didn't deliver.
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#50 Runningflame570
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[QUOTE="jdt532"] [QUOTE="Runningflame570"] What first-party games have been released? One, maybe two and by most accounts Formula One is a solid racing game rated 80/100 or above.



Here are the Sony developed games and their average rating from metacritic.com

Untold Legends 59/100

NBA 07 63/100

Formula One: CE 74/100

Flow average rating from GS, IGN and 1up is 7.2

Motorstorm so far has one rating from IGN which is 8.9

The average for all these ratings is 7.1, I'd say Sony needs to step it up and make better PS3 games...

Okay, I was inaccurate in my statements about how many first-party titles has been released. But my statement still stands, most places rated Formula One 80 or above, its the two (incredibly misguided IMO) 40ish scores that has it at 74/100 otherwise it would be AA. Most of Sony's stronger first-parties such as Naughty Dog, Zipper, Santa Monica, and Team Ico haven't released their titles yet. Psygnosis (Liverpool Studios) has made a solid racer, as has Evolution Studios (which actually isn't first-party) and Formula One isn't even Psygnosis' strongest property. London Studio could have a serious effect upon the PS3 in Europe and they haven't released Sing Star OR The Getaway yet. Need I remind you, Grand Turismo (top-selling racing franchise of all time), Jak and Daxter (something like 30 million), Syphon Filter, God of War, SOCOM, Wipeout, Hot Shots Golf, and Twisted Metal are all first-party Sony properties.