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That may be true, but they don't have the cash that M$ has laying around.LoboSoloBut they lack the talent, highly skilled and experienced developers do not just walk the street, it takes time to build up studios. Sony has been spendig the last 10 years on building up its 1'st party through a program of many small games letting the staff become more skilled.
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joevfx
Your topic is a bit misleading.
"Sony Computer Entertainment Studios employs some 2,200 developers across 14 different studios… it has more programmers, artists, audio technicians and designers than Microsoft and Nintendo combined."
You should have said that Sony has more developers than Microsoft and Nintendo combined. Just wanted to point that out.
Wow, that's amazing. Third under EA and Ubi. That's a huge amount of creative resource. To be able to have a 1st party development program to rival the two largest multi-plat developers is truly an advantage.emitsu97And it's 2200 focused on PS2, PSP and PS3 only. The other got their resources more videly spread. I wonder if SOE was included too because they only talked about SWW.
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kingtito
Your topic is a bit misleading.
"Sony Computer Entertainment Studios employs some 2,200 developers across 14 different studios… it has more programmers, artists, audio technicians and designers than Microsoft and Nintendo combined."
You should have said that Sony has more developers than Microsoft and Nintendo combined. Just wanted to point that out.
as a company........SONY has over 200 billion in assets compared to 100+ for MS.
SONY film division + SETUSA are i believe almost half as MS.
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washimul
Your topic is a bit misleading.
"Sony Computer Entertainment Studios employs some 2,200 developers across 14 different studios… it has more programmers, artists, audio technicians and designers than Microsoft and Nintendo combined."
You should have said that Sony has more developers than Microsoft and Nintendo combined. Just wanted to point that out.
as a company........SONY has over 200 billion in assets compared to 100+ for MS.
SONY film division + SETUSA are i believe almost half as MS.
Interesting...where did you find this information.
Sony sales are much more than Microsoft but Microsoft profits are much higher. Microsoft market value is also more than 3x more than Sony. Sony does not have 200 billion in assets so stop makign up data.DeihmosYou seem to be mixing up the value of the stocks with the value of the assets. Had you taken both companies, broken them up and then sold them them piece by piece Sony would have been worth a lot more. But as you said, monopoly gives Microsoft much higher profits.
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kingtito
Your topic is a bit misleading.
"Sony Computer Entertainment Studios employs some 2,200 developers across 14 different studios… it has more programmers, artists, audio technicians and designers than Microsoft and Nintendo combined."
You should have said that Sony has more developers than Microsoft and Nintendo combined. Just wanted to point that out.
Sony sales are much more than Microsoft but Microsoft profits are much higher. Microsoft market value is also more than 3x more than Sony. Sony does not have 200 billion in assets so stop makign up data.Deihmos
Sony is number 65 on the World Fortune 500 list and MS isn't in the top 100 but MS profits were much much higher.
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joevfx
Your topic is a bit misleading.
"Sony Computer Entertainment Studios employs some 2,200 developers across 14 different studios… it has more programmers, artists, audio technicians and designers than Microsoft and Nintendo combined."
You should have said that Sony has more developers than Microsoft and Nintendo combined. Just wanted to point that out.
You're right
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kingtito
Your topic is a bit misleading.
"Sony Computer Entertainment Studios employs some 2,200 developers across 14 different studios… it has more programmers, artists, audio technicians and designers than Microsoft and Nintendo combined."
You should have said that Sony has more developers than Microsoft and Nintendo combined. Just wanted to point that out.
You're right
Misleading title of the article. :D[QUOTE="Deihmos"]Sony sales are much more than Microsoft but Microsoft profits are much higher. Microsoft market value is also more than 3x more than Sony. Sony does not have 200 billion in assets so stop makign up data.kingtito
Sony is number 65 on the World Fortune 500 list and MS isn't in the top 100 but MS profits were much much higher.
You are probably looking at the top international companies list. Ms is listed as #47 on the top 2000 global company list and Sony is #123.
[QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="Deihmos"]Sony sales are much more than Microsoft but Microsoft profits are much higher. Microsoft market value is also more than 3x more than Sony. Sony does not have 200 billion in assets so stop makign up data.Deihmos
Sony is number 65 on the World Fortune 500 list and MS isn't in the top 100 but MS profits were much much higher.
You are probably looking at the top international companies list.
Both are international companies.[QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="Deihmos"]Sony sales are much more than Microsoft but Microsoft profits are much higher. Microsoft market value is also more than 3x more than Sony. Sony does not have 200 billion in assets so stop makign up data.Deihmos
Sony is number 65 on the World Fortune 500 list and MS isn't in the top 100 but MS profits were much much higher.
You are probably looking at the top international companies list. Ms is listed as #47 on the top 2000 global company list and Sony is not in the top 100.
Would be nice with links confirming all these claims." So, why, then with this enormous workforce have we still neither seen nor heard rumour of a truly great, genre-busting game for the platform? "probably because its only been out for 4 months..
Nike_Air
Can you show me this list ? Here is a link from forbes Link since you doubt. Plus Microsoft is a USA company and Sony is Japan.Deihmosin your link, what are they being ranked by? They are not being ranked by sales, or profits, or assets, or market value. So what exactly are they being ranked on? and who cares what country they are from. why does that matter?
[QUOTE="Nike_Air"]" So, why, then with this enormous workforce have we still neither seen nor heard rumour of a truly great, genre-busting game for the platform? "probably because its only been out for 4 months.. haha i said the same thing, people expect good games to grow on trees an the publishers just pluck them off when they are ripe.
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That may be true, but they don't have the cash that M$ has laying around.LoboSoloBut they lack the talent, highly skilled and experienced developers do not just walk the street, it takes time to build up studios. Sony has been spendig the last 10 years on building up its 1'st party through a program of many small games letting the staff become more skilled. You make it sound like working for microsoft isn't the dream job for most programmers (outside of Google maybe, but thats only recently).
[QUOTE="Deihmos"]Can you show me this list ? Here is a link from forbes Link since you doubt. Plus Microsoft is a USA company and Sony is Japan.eclipsed4utooin your link, what are they being ranked by? They are not being ranked by sales, or profits, or assets, or market value. So what exactly are they being ranked on? and who cares what country they are from. why does that matter? These global giants, ranked on a composite score for sales, profits, assets and market value, had a good year. Combined, they show a 10% gain in sales, 32% in profits, 10% in assets and 17% in market capitalization over last year. Here is an updates list for 2006. Sony is 105 and MS is 55. Link
That may be true, but they don't have the cash that M$ has laying around.LoboSoloBut they lack the talent, highly skilled and experienced developers do not just walk the street, it takes time to build up studios. Sony has been spendig the last 10 years on building up its 1'st party through a program of many small games letting the staff become more skilled. You make it sound like working for microsoft isn't the dream job for most programmers (outside of Google maybe, but thats only recently). my best friend programs for google, he hates it, gets piad a hell of alot , but hates it.
That may be true, but they don't have the cash that M$ has laying around.LoboSoloBut they lack the talent, highly skilled and experienced developers do not just walk the street, it takes time to build up studios. Sony has been spendig the last 10 years on building up its 1'st party through a program of many small games letting the staff become more skilled. You make it sound like working for microsoft isn't the dream job for most programmers (outside of Google maybe, but thats only recently). Um now you are mixing up game developers with OS and design engineers. :) Also think of MS needs to take the developers from already established studios like EA, Ubisoft, Capcom, THQ, Activision and so on. Those comming straight out uni aren't much worth due to lack of creative experience.
[QUOTE="LoboSolo"]That may be true, but they don't have the cash that M$ has laying around.espoacI'm pretty sure Sony's just as rich as Microsoft.
Just cause Sony has 2,200 people working for them doesn't mean the PS3 will have the best first party games. When it comes to game developers quality is better than quantity. If Sony would trim 500 employees that aren't very good and then take the cash they saved and hire Hideo Kojima or someone like that they would be way better off. What first party games so far has been any good for the PS3? None... Resistance was created by Insomniac which I think is a third party or second party actually cause they mainly make games for Sony consoles.jdt532Would be a tad too early to yell for top notch 1'st party titles, the console has only been out for a very short time. But we can just look at what Sony 1'st party has made for the PS2, not too shabby. And as I said, it takes time to establish good dev studios.
" So, why, then with this enormous workforce have we still neither seen nor heard rumour of a truly great, genre-busting game for the platform? "Uh, because you don't pull a game out your a**. It actually has to be created (concepts, writers and developers). Plus, on the graphical side. That will take time due to the learning curve of the Cell and tools. The 2,200 developer has to be in place to even make the games in the first place. What? Should they not have those 1st party devs and then expect to make the games? I can't believe the author of the article actually asked that question.Â
Nike_Air
What first party games so far has been any good for the PS3? None... Resistance was created by Insomniac which I think is a third party or second party actually cause they mainly make games for Sony consoles.jdt532What first-party games have been released? One, maybe two and by most accounts Formula One is a solid racing game rated 80/100 or above.
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kingtito
Your topic is a bit misleading.
"Sony Computer Entertainment Studios employs some 2,200 developers across 14 different studios… it has more programmers, artists, audio technicians and designers than Microsoft and Nintendo combined."
You should have said that Sony has more developers than Microsoft and Nintendo combined. Just wanted to point that out.
I agree, this really doesnt mean much at all. The games speak for themselves. Sony does have pretty solid first party games, but overall I think Nintendo takes it.
[QUOTE="bballboy986"] You make it sound like working for microsoft isn't the dream job for most programmers (outside of Google maybe, but thats only recently).Runningflame570Its not...Microsoft has become an oppressive, backwards, slow-moving company that is far more similar to IBM during the 70s and 80s than Microsoft would ever care to admit. For one, I would prefer working at Google, Yahoo, IBM, Sun Microsystems, Apple, or any number of other places. While we're at it: Sony first-parties kill Microsoft's first-parties. Microsoft essentially has Bungie and thats it. Sony has Psygnosis, Naughty Dog, Studio Santa Monica, Zipper Interactive, London Studio, Incognito, Studio Japan, Clap Hanz, and Team Ico. While you may not have heard of several of these groups you've certainly heard of games they make.
What first party games so far has been any good for the PS3? None... Resistance was created by Insomniac which I think is a third party or second party actually cause they mainly make games for Sony consoles.jdt532What first-party games have been released? One, maybe two and by most accounts Formula One is a solid racing game rated 80/100 or above.
I would love to work at EBAY. EBAY employee's have it made. They get free lunches, high wages and onsite gym. I wouldn't mind any of the other company's either.
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nish14
Your topic is a bit misleading.
"Sony Computer Entertainment Studios employs some 2,200 developers across 14 different studios… it has more programmers, artists, audio technicians and designers than Microsoft and Nintendo combined."
You should have said that Sony has more developers than Microsoft and Nintendo combined. Just wanted to point that out.
I agree, this really doesnt mean much at all. The games speak for themselves. Sony does have pretty solid first party games, but overall I think Nintendo takes it.
That's your opinion and a question about taste. When not being nostalgic I'd say the 1'st party Nintendo titles weren't very good last gen compared to Sony's 1'st party titles.[QUOTE="jdt532"]What first party games so far has been any good for the PS3? None... Resistance was created by Insomniac which I think is a third party or second party actually cause they mainly make games for Sony consoles.Runningflame570What first-party games have been released? One, maybe two and by most accounts Formula One is a solid racing game rated 80/100 or above.
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kingtito
Your topic is a bit misleading.
"Sony Computer Entertainment Studios employs some 2,200 developers across 14 different studios… it has more programmers, artists, audio technicians and designers than Microsoft and Nintendo combined."
You should have said that Sony has more developers than Microsoft and Nintendo combined. Just wanted to point that out.
as a company........SONY has over 200 billion in assets compared to 100+ for MS.
SONY film division + SETUSA are i believe almost half as MS.
Interesting...where did you find this information.
Thats common knowledge dude...just check out their earning for the last fiscal year (2006)[QUOTE="Runningflame570"][QUOTE="jdt532"]What first party games so far has been any good for the PS3? None... Resistance was created by Insomniac which I think is a third party or second party actually cause they mainly make games for Sony consoles.jdt532What first-party games have been released? One, maybe two and by most accounts Formula One is a solid racing game rated 80/100 or above.
[QUOTE="jdt532"][QUOTE="Runningflame570"][QUOTE="jdt532"]What first party games so far has been any good for the PS3? None... Resistance was created by Insomniac which I think is a third party or second party actually cause they mainly make games for Sony consoles.NextGenNowWhat first-party games have been released? One, maybe two and by most accounts Formula One is a solid racing game rated 80/100 or above.
[QUOTE="Uzburacuz9"][QUOTE="Nike_Air"]" So, why, then with this enormous workforce have we still neither seen nor heard rumour of a truly great, genre-busting game for the platform? "probably because its only been out for 4 months.. haha i said the same thing, people expect good games to grow on trees an the publishers just pluck them off when they are ripe. I think most people expect the next gen systems to have amazing games right from the start. After spending 600+ on the PS3 and the best game is only Resistance... some disapointment is acceptable. This is not a troll post... Microsoft did the same thing with the 360. However, I think everyone (at the time) expected more from Sony. They didn't deliver.
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