Sony's Hirai: "No more BC in any Playstation products"

Your PS2 isn't going to last foreverLiams

I think that was meant for me, good point but not that good, a PS2 may not last forever , but that goes for any other electronic device that includes the PS3 there is no exception, I think you need to think before you post.

NOTE: good luck to Everton tomorrow;)

Denji: "I play whatever game I feel like, PS1/PS2 or PS3. BC on PS3 just makes it easier."

so sony should just include BC and lose even more money on each consle they sell just because it's easier?...

I guess those classics everyone remembers are nothing more than a distance memory and should never be played again once that console's life is up.

Kinda pathetic if you ask me. Whatever happened to lasting value?

The PS2 is still moving units, and the games are still selling; they should keep making them as long as they're selling them and leave the PS3 on it's own strategic path instead of trying to shoehorn the PS3 as the end all be all.

One year later, and Sony is only now rectifying their strategic mistake. Had the PS3 never had BC to begin with, the console would have been priced appropriately for the market from day one, they wouldn't have taken such a financial beating; who knows, Kutaragi might have still been at the helm today, they might have had the market traction to be able to hold on to lost exclusives. It's all water under the bridge now.

[QUOTE="Quadrifoglio"]I hope this isn't true. I want to play God of War III on my PS4! :(YourDaddy88

For what? By that time, you'll be playin God of War VI on your PS4.

BC is over rated. Games continue, keep your favorites and whichever consoles you need to run them, if it's that important. Out of all systems, Sony is still the one with the best record for BC, so we really can't complain. Let's move forward people, not backwards.

haha what? anyway bc is not overrated, some people have missed past games, some because they didnt own the previous system. Being in all it doesnt break the bank for Sony to add bc, it shouldnt be such a big deal. They should force people to buy old systems for bc, or to have to do without. If they really want people to forget about the past gen, they should have developers stop making games for the PS2.

The ps2 has been out for 7 years and one quarter. I mean seriously, who has a long list of ps2 games they still want to play? I understand the contradictory statment about being an all in one machine, but it can't play the old games. On the same token however when people complain about "price tags" then what do you expect a company to do. If you manufacture something and spend about $900 dollars to make every single one of these and sell it at a loss of $600 and people still complainabout how they can't afford it, then what is a company supposed to do? When people have to cut costs on a brand new product then you have to sacrifice features and that is how it goes. I am not saying that I agree with everything Sony has done. They should have come out with more at launch and they should have come out with dev kits sooner than what they did.

The ps3 is suffering from what the GC suffered from cool games that were that came from somewhere else. The DBZ games and MK games always came to gamecube last. A few features that were in ps2 and xbox games like online and audio things weren't in the GC versions of some games.

It was no secret that the ps3 was going to cost a lot of money. They had people predicting it was going to be $1000 like 2 years ago. It seems to me the gaming consumers and developers suffer from instant gratification more so now than ever. No one ever buys a system for what will be out anymore, they always buy what is out now. Obviously when you pick up a system you want a game on it. Right now as it stands there is a good enough reason to buy a ps3 at the moment. You have Resistance, Motorstorm, Ratchet and Clank, and Uncharted as top tier games. Then you have some pretty good ones like Folklore, Ninja Gaiden Sigma, and Warhawk. Multiplalts are getting better such as COD 4, Burnout Paradise, and Devil May Cry 4. and DMC 4 has everything that the 360 version has with less or no loading at all.

Everyone that has owned any Sony systems before the ps3 knows that they take their time bringing the goods. A lot ps1 games played like SNES until 2 and a half years after system launch. The ps2 had a lot of games at the start yes, but none of them were that amazing. Bouncer and Onimusha were cool, but they weren't that awsome. The only games that had at the start were Time Splitters, Dynasty Warriors 2, Tekken Tag and Armored Core 2. Then 8 months later we had DMC 1 and Twisted Metal Black. Black wasn't even that awsome either. If people want the luxury then you have to shell out the money. That is how electronics and most material things work. You can do either of 2 things play the games that are out and wait for something that will be great or switch to 360 which has games out that are good, but aren't that spectacular. From MS's history you can expect them to announce Xbox 3 at the end of this year or the beginning of next which they will probably stop suspporting the 360 right off the bat like they did with the original. I am not trying to sound like a troll or fanboy, but I look at games more than just the games themselvesm but also the practices of each company. It seems many people aren't onboard with Sony at all and are a disgracing the ps3. You should have played most of the last gen games by now. Are you really going to go back and play God of War 2 in 2012 or GTA 3 at that time as well?

[QUOTE="Quadrifoglio"]I hope this isn't true. I want to play God of War III on my PS4! :(YourDaddy88

For what? By that time, you'll be playin God of War VI on your PS4.

BC is over rated. Games continue, keep your favorites and whichever consoles you need to run them, if it's that important. Out of all systems, Sony is still the one with the best record for BC, so we really can't complain. Let's move forward people, not backwards.

ROFLMAO!!! how can something like BC can be overated?!?!

Well I just hope they don't "wipe it out" for the rest of us in an update or something.Denji

Software Engineer Needed.emitsu97

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[QUOTE="Quadrifoglio"]I hope this isn't true. I want to play God of War III on my PS4! :(YourDaddy88

For what? By that time, you'll be playin God of War VI on your PS4.

BC is over rated. Games continue, keep your favorites and whichever consoles you need to run them, if it's that important. Out of all systems, Sony is still the one with the best record for BC, so we really can't complain. Let's move forward people, not backwards.

Really? To my knowledge this is the Wii.

[QUOTE="emitsu97"]Software Engineer Needed.OfficialBed

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Why is it titled rumor?

i couldn't care less, i can't play anything less than 720p now, unless its handheld

You're just the person Sony's looking for. Not too many people will shell out $20 to download old PS2 games. BioShockOwnz

I don't have a PS2 library anymore and besides, who wouldn't want to play the like of every PS1/PS2 FF, MGS, GoW on their PSP? I know I had a blast with C:SotN bouncing the game save back and forth from my PSP to PS3.

Why is it titled rumor?gamenux

The rumor is the speculation the unnamed console is the PS4.

[QUOTE="nathantw666"][QUOTE="Travis281"]

I'm not going to defend Sony on this one. Maybe you guys don't like BC or would rather have two PlayStation products taking up desk space, but I don't. I love playing the old games from the PS store and popping in a PS2 game once in a while. It's honestly giving me something to do while I wait for new stuff to come out.

My PS2 is gone and next generation I don't want one console just for old games.

Travis281

I take it you don't play Guitar Hero 1, 2, Rock the 80's. If you did then you'd keep your PS2 hooked up. I have an 80GB PS3 and still keep the PS2 hooked up to play those games.

Yeah you go me there. I don't play those three games. Other than those three however, it makes sense for Sony to continue supporting BC. If Sony wants their machine to be the all-in-one magic machine they intended, they should allow me to play old-gen games.

To tell you the truth, I was just talking with a couple people about BC and I actually feel that Sony did themselves a disfavor by offering BC. I think they should have done with Microsoft did with the Xbox 360 and just cut the system at the knees, remove the PS2 from market and go forward. If they did that I think we would have started seeing a lot more games come out at a faster rate than we're currently seeing. A lot of people complained with Microsoft didn't make the Xbox360 backward compatible, but do you think they're complaining today? I was at Circuit City staring at the entire wall full of Xbox 360 games. I saw another wall filled with Nintendo Wii and DS games. I then looked at the 3/4 filled wall of PS2 games and finally the PS3 games that filled up not more than 4 game boxes side by side. Pathetic.

As it stands a lot of people are just buying more PS2's and not PS3's. Just look at the sales from Christmas. PS2 sales are still outrageously high. Sure Sony is making essentially free money since the unit prices have got to be pretty low, but on the other hand it's hurting sales of the machines that really matter, the PS3.

So, should the future PS3's and future systems be backward compatible (PS4 backward to everything before it)? In my opinion, no.

[QUOTE="Liams"]Your PS2 isn't going to last foreverStar650

I think that was meant for me, good point but not that good, a PS2 may not last forever , but that goes for any other electronic device that includes the PS3 there is no exception, I think you need to think before you post.

NOTE: good luck to Everton tomorrow;)

I was thinking and I'm not sure what you meant when you said I should be think before I post?:? When I said your PS2 won't last forever I presumed (wrongly as it turns out) that it was supposed to be an umbrella statement for all electricals. If I did list every item that could break down it would be endless!! The point I was trying to make was that there is a very strong possibilty that when the PS4 comes around and BC is gone where does that leave people and their classic PS2/3 games.

Thanks for the good luck message!

[QUOTE="YourDaddy88"]

[QUOTE="Quadrifoglio"]I hope this isn't true. I want to play God of War III on my PS4! :(Sepewrath

For what? By that time, you'll be playin God of War VI on your PS4.

BC is over rated. Games continue, keep your favorites and whichever consoles you need to run them, if it's that important. Out of all systems, Sony is still the one with the best record for BC, so we really can't complain. Let's move forward people, not backwards.

haha what? anyway bc is not overrated, some people have missed past games, some because they didnt own the previous system. Being in all it doesnt break the bank for Sony to add bc, it shouldnt be such a big deal. They should force people to buy old systems for bc, or to have to do without. If they really want people to forget about the past gen, they should have developers stop making games for the PS2.

Good post how many posts have we read on these boards that start with I didn't feel Ratchet & Clank (insert game of your choice) would appeal to me but my girlfreind/wife/sister/brother/aunt/uncle/dog/next doors budgie (delete as appropriate) bought it for me and I love it where can I buy the rest of series.....................................................

I bought the 60GB and to be honest, I rarely play PS2 games now. Back when I first got it, I'd play quite a few (went through the MGS series, ZoE2, RE4, etc) but now that we actually have a handful of great PS3 games to play, there's not much of a reason to go back.babystapler

Do you think you'll play PS3 games on your PS4 if your lucky enough to own one? If not then good for you. If you think you might then according to this article you might not be able too. This is not just about playing your PS2 games on your PS3 this is about playing PSP games on the PSP2, playing PS3 games on the PS4, playing PS4 games on the PS5, playing PS5 games on the PS6, playing....................................................

I dont think he really meant even 0% software emulation. I think he meant like, no more 100% hardware BC in any PS product. Otherwise, we'd be hearing about it being stripped from the 80 GB.carljohnson3456

Or he's preping us for the news they are pulling software BC from the 80gig model. That's my bet.

[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"]I dont think he really meant even 0% software emulation. I think he meant like, no more 100% hardware BC in any PS product. Otherwise, we'd be hearing about it being stripped from the 80 GB.Yuck_Too

Or he's preping us for the news they are pulling software BC from the 80gig model. That's my bet.

I doubt it man, they've already cut the production costs down to $400. I cant imagine why they would pull software emulation from the 80 GB.

Alright, forgive me if I'm missing something, but I'm not quite sure I understand what is going on.

They are removing BC from all PS3's produced from this point on? Or do they mean they are going to remove it from all future/next gen playstation consoles/handhelds produced from this moment on? (I.E. PS4, PSP2 etc...)

If that question doesn't make sense I'm sorry, work has fried my brain.

Alright, forgive me if I'm missing something, but I'm not quite sure I understand what is going on.

They are removing BC from all PS3's produced from this point on? Or do they mean they are going to remove it from all future/next gen playstation consoles/handhelds produced from this moment on? (I.E. PS4, PSP2 etc...)

If that question doesn't make sense I'm sorry, work has fried my brain.

Amaranthix

From the look of things currently, I believe Hirai just means future Playstation products, getting rid of software emulation in the 80gigs wouldn't make sense considering it costs next to nothing for them. I honestly think Sony just wants to move forward, (unless they find a way to make cheap BC hardware in the future, but I doubt that)

[QUOTE="Amaranthix"]

Alright, forgive me if I'm missing something, but I'm not quite sure I understand what is going on.

They are removing BC from all PS3's produced from this point on? Or do they mean they are going to remove it from all future/next gen playstation consoles/handhelds produced from this moment on? (I.E. PS4, PSP2 etc...)

If that question doesn't make sense I'm sorry, work has fried my brain.

KamuiFei

From the look of things currently, I believe Hirai just means future Playstation products, getting rid of software emulation in the 80gigs wouldn't make sense considering it costs next to nothing for them. I honestly think Sony just wants to move forward, (unless they find a way to make cheap BC hardware in the future, but I doubt that)

Ok, whew. I just bought an 80gig so I guess it wouldn't effect me, but that'd still suck for the current Gen.

Personally it doesn't bother me. If I want to play older generation games I'll play them on my PS2.

PlayStation 3 is for PS3 games. I support their look into future and focusing on today's product. That's how it becomes better. 8)

I am 100% sure the PS4 will have full BC towards Ps1 ,PS2 and PS3 .Emulation for PS1 and PS2 will be dirty easy for it and it will be based on Cell technology (maybe a motherboard with say 7 Cell+ toghether ) and the deal with Nvidia was also for the PS4 so the graphics card will be fully compatible .

In fact ,they are already hiring people to work on emulation BC so Hirai can say whatever because he needs to to put some confidence in investors and create an image and keep those 40Gb selling like mad ,but the future will prove otherwise .

[QUOTE="Yuck_Too"]

[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"]I dont think he really meant even 0% software emulation. I think he meant like, no more 100% hardware BC in any PS product. Otherwise, we'd be hearing about it being stripped from the 80 GB.carljohnson3456

Or he's preping us for the news they are pulling software BC from the 80gig model. That's my bet.

I doubt it man, they've already cut the production costs down to $400. I cant imagine why they would pull software emulation from the 80 GB.

They pulled all BC from the 40gig for no other reason then to stop people fromplaying PS2 games on it.

I could very easily see them doing the same thing for the 80gig and or the next models that follow it.

They pulled all BC from the 40gig for no other reason then to stop people fromplaying PS2 games on it.Yuck_Too

Are you sure that had nothing to do with minimizing unit production cost?

I hope this isn't true. I want to play God of War III on my PS4! :(Quadrifoglio

Or Kingdom Hearts 3 :(