Square Enix needs to be stopped

" This is an action game in which players compete in one-on-one battles with characters from the Final Fantasy universe. Players engage in hand-to-hand combat in 3D arenas and use axes, swords, boomerangs, and magic spells (e.g., energy balls, summoned creatures) to drain opponents' life meters. Battles are highlighted by cries of pain, colorful explosions, and slow-motion sequences that zoom in on defeated characters. A handful of female characters wear revealing outfits that expose large amounts of cleavage; some of these characters' breasts also jiggle during combat. Some in-game text in also contains suggestive material (e.g., "Here's a better idea: 'Zoom camera into Tifa's cleavage!'"). Various portrait galleries depict partially nude female characters; the general shapes of their bodies are displayed instead of actual detail (i.e., no nipples or genitalia). The words "a*s," "damn," and "hell" appear in the dialogue." - ESRB statement according to Kotaku.

That was a description of the new Dissidia.

I don't have a problem with clevage but as I mature and hope that games do the same, this type of stuff has to stop. What happened to Square Enix? Neither Enix nor Squaresoft, before the merger pushed out crap like this? They had engaging stories and emotionally drew you in. It's as if the merger had caused them to lose all sense of intelligent story writing for this, this... crap.

The issues aren't just clevage, because that's not what they're traditionally known for, the issue is that they keep putting out shiny turds. It started after FFX with X-2 and ever since it's been down hill for the series of games Squaresoft created. That's including games that aren't even in the FF series. DragonQuests seem to be doing well and are staying true to tradition. I'm not saying that tradition is where we need to stay, if that's the case we'll never get anything new, I like innovation, but only if it's actually innovative and doesn't take away from something you already have.It's a shame actually, they've dropped out of my top 5 as a developer.

What do you think happened to them?

I believe that the owner of Squeare Enix is a horny 14 year old.

I think Square Enix (or at least Wada) are doing a pretty good job of stopping themselves.

I can't see them being around for too much longer and I have to say good riddance to them after the way they have treated PS3 owners this gen.

I used to love Final Fantasy games and bought my PS3 when FFXIII was still a PS3 exclusive, but just watched SE threaten to withdraw support for Sony if Sony didn't sort out the price of the PS3 (which they did) to saying they will support all consoles equally to only releasing FFXIII multi-platform and Star Ocean a year late.

In chasing the dollar, they have westernised their games so much that they are not the same games that made us fall in love with the series.Their efforts over the last two generations have been patchy at best. If Versus fails to deliver then I can see SE becoming more of a publisher than developer because I can't see anyone being interested in their games any more.

I believe that the owner of Squeare Enix is a horny 14 year old.

Melpoe

I believe that the owner of Squeare Enix is a horny 14 year old.

Melpoe

Either that or Kotaku's writer is a horny 14 year old.

TC, why don't you look for other website or importer opinions? If it's true then don't buy it and let SE be that way, we can't stop them.

They should stop because you might see some underwear in a fighting game? oO Have you ever played DOA? xD Anyway, Dissidia is one of my fav. SE games this gen and I'm going to get the sequel. Sure nuditity isn't really needed in a game like this, but IMO it's just as bad to hate a game for nuditity as it is for love a game for it :S If SE should stop something then it is with crap games like FF13 or Front Mission

Oh btw just realised that this thread is on the PS3 board? Why? It's a PSP game oO If anything it belongs there or to the general board oO

They seem very concerned with Westernizing their games, but they haven't got a clue what they're doing. They're also way too concerned with graphics and not nearly concerned enough with gameplay.

I'd be surprised if they're still around 5 years from now.

[QUOTE="Melpoe"]

I believe that the owner of Squeare Enix is a horny 14 year old.

JohnF111

If anything, SE is still keeping to its roots by showing partial nudity and swearing in its games. Japanese are notorious for being perverted and swearing is used in every language on the planet. So honestly, whats the problem? People gotta understand, like any other company for better or worse, want to expand and try to appeal to a wider audience.

[QUOTE="JohnF111"][QUOTE="Melpoe"]

I believe that the owner of Squeare Enix is a horny 14 year old.

San_09

They should stop because you might see some underwear in a fighting game? oO Have you ever played DOA? xD Anyway, Dissidia is one of my fav. SE games this gen and I'm going to get the sequel. Sure nuditity isn't really needed in a game like this, but IMO it's just as bad to hate a game for nuditity as it is for love a game for it :S If SE should stop something then it is with crap games like FF13 or Front Mission

Oh btw just realised that this thread is on the PS3 board? Why? It's a PSP game oO If anything it belongs there or to the general board oO

Yeah SE sucks a lot lately but they are publisher for Deus Ex: Human Revolution and until Deus Ex releases SE is relevant to me atm. No new release date has been announced and Eidos seems to be doing a good job with Deus Ex so im waiting to see what happens.

Have you played 3rd Birthday? It's utter trash.istuffedsunny

Really?! That's a shame. The director of that game is one of the only two directors I care about anymore at Square-Enix anymore (yes, the other one is Tetsuya Nomura, and no, I'm not including Edios in that statement). What's wrong with it?

Well, it has been downhill since Final Fantasy X. But given the fact, usually franchise mashups aren't really know for their stories. The story for the first Dissidia was kind of lame, but I expected it. It's almost like expecting a great story out of a Capcom verses game.

As far as the sexual detail, that's the Japanese for you. There are far worse than what you've described, so take it for what it is. So many characters are stereotyped and "sexual" everywhere else, what makes Dissidia any different? It happens in NA as well.

Listen, I'm not fond of all of the changes to the union and the downfall of the Final Fantasy franchise either. But it is just Dissidia after all, so it would be suggested as such "just don't buy it".

I actually wrote a little GS review on it... It's the first game that disappointed me so bad I had to let it all out lol But honestly if you like what's his name (Toriyama? I forget) or Nomura, you may enjoy T3B. I hate them both :P

I actually wrote a little GS review on it... It's the first game that disappointed me so bad I had to let it all out lol But honestly if you like what's his name (Toriyama? I forget) or Nomura, you may enjoy T3B. I hate them both :P

istuffedsunny

Ugh, no, no. I hate Motomu Toriyama. Seriously, he is truly one of the worst directors/writers ever in my opinion (in this case his writing must suck then since that was his position). I like Tetsuya Nomura. Granted he has his faults, but I love his games. Hajime Tabata was the one I was referring to (the director of Crisis Core).

EDIT: Okay, I read your review. I was afraid that would happen. I love the director but when I saw he was working on a "survival horror" game and how action-driven it was, I thought, "This won't end well." Square-Enix basically did to Parasite Eve what Capcom did to Resident Evil with Resident Evil 5, huh? Figures. Also, when I saw Toriyama as the writer, I thought, "Please, please, pleeeeeeeease don't let this be a generic, love story with the sappy, whinny female protagonist" and it's just that. Ugh, oh well. Glad I read your review before picking that up (I was gonna purchase it used anyway after losing 60 dollars on that pile of crap Final Fantasy XIII).

The best way tochange a company is to quit buying their product. Not asking for a petition. Not throwing an onlinetantrum. Just quit buying. They don't make games foryourwarm fuzzy feelings, they do it because its fun to develope, it pays for the expensive colleges, and it justifies the huge amounts of time and effort it takes to make a game. Your dollar is the only ammunition you have that counts so start using it wisely.

As a side note: Gamer's are the worst people to grab opinions on what they would like to see in a game because theyare so diverse and fickle. You can't please everyone so instead of trying, you choose an audience and cater to them. If that audience isn't you, don't play.

Well, it has been downhill since Final Fantasy X. But given the fact, usually franchise mashups aren't really know for their stories. The story for the first Dissidia was kind of lame, but I expected it. It's almost like expecting a great story out of a Capcom verses game.

As far as the sexual detail, that's the Japanese for you. There are far worse than what you've described, so take it for what it is. So many characters are stereotyped and "sexual" everywhere else, what makes Dissidia any different? It happens in NA as well.

Listen, I'm not fond of all of the changes to the union and the downfall of the Final Fantasy franchise either. But it is just Dissidia after all, so it would be suggested as such "just don't buy it".

The best way tochange a company is to quit buying their product. Not asking for a petition. Not throwing an onlinetantrum. Just quit buying. They don't make games foryourwarm fuzzy feelings, they do it because its fun to develope, it pays for the expensive colleges, and it justifies the huge amounts of time and effort it takes to make a game. Your dollar is the only ammunition you have that counts so start using it wisely.

As a side note: Gamer's are the worst people to grab opinions on what they would like to see in a game because theyare so diverse and fickle. You can't please everyone so instead of trying, you choose an audience and cater to them. If that audience isn't you, don't play.

[QUOTE="Denji"]

Well, it has been downhill since Final Fantasy X. But given the fact, usually franchise mashups aren't really know for their stories. The story for the first Dissidia was kind of lame, but I expected it. It's almost like expecting a great story out of a Capcom verses game.

As far as the sexual detail, that's the Japanese for you. There are far worse than what you've described, so take it for what it is. So many characters are stereotyped and "sexual" everywhere else, what makes Dissidia any different? It happens in NA as well.

Listen, I'm not fond of all of the changes to the union and the downfall of the Final Fantasy franchise either. But it is just Dissidia after all, so it would be suggested as such "just don't buy it".

lowkey254

Well, wouldn't Tifa be a prime example?

[QUOTE="lowkey254"][QUOTE="Denji"]

Well, it has been downhill since Final Fantasy X. But given the fact, usually franchise mashups aren't really know for their stories. The story for the first Dissidia was kind of lame, but I expected it. It's almost like expecting a great story out of a Capcom verses game.

As far as the sexual detail, that's the Japanese for you. There are far worse than what you've described, so take it for what it is. So many characters are stereotyped and "sexual" everywhere else, what makes Dissidia any different? It happens in NA as well.

Listen, I'm not fond of all of the changes to the union and the downfall of the Final Fantasy franchise either. But it is just Dissidia after all, so it would be suggested as such "just don't buy it".

Denji

Well, wouldn't Tifa be a prime example?

[QUOTE="lowkey254"][QUOTE="Denji"]

Well, it has been downhill since Final Fantasy X. But given the fact, usually franchise mashups aren't really know for their stories. The story for the first Dissidia was kind of lame, but I expected it. It's almost like expecting a great story out of a Capcom verses game.

As far as the sexual detail, that's the Japanese for you. There are far worse than what you've described, so take it for what it is. So many characters are stereotyped and "sexual" everywhere else, what makes Dissidia any different? It happens in NA as well.

Listen, I'm not fond of all of the changes to the union and the downfall of the Final Fantasy franchise either. But it is just Dissidia after all, so it would be suggested as such "just don't buy it".

Well, wouldn't Tifa be a prime example?

[QUOTE="Denji"]

[QUOTE="lowkey254"] This is true and I understand that the Japanese are pervs (judgmental yes) but I've never seen that from Squaresoft or Enix, it's becoming prevalent as of late.lowkey254

Well, wouldn't Tifa be a prime example?

Not in the FMVs...

[QUOTE="Denji"]

[QUOTE="lowkey254"] This is true and I understand that the Japanese are pervs (judgmental yes) but I've never seen that from Squaresoft or Enix, it's becoming prevalent as of late.lowkey254

Well, wouldn't Tifa be a prime example?

[QUOTE="lowkey254"][QUOTE="Denji"]

Well, wouldn't Tifa be a prime example?

Not in the FMVs...

[QUOTE="Denji"]

[QUOTE="lowkey254"] I'm sorry but when I think of her I go back to FFVII and a pixelated sprite isn't a good example. Even the instruction manual kept her pretty tamed. lowkey254

Not in the FMVs...

Actually FFXII came after FFX-2 and it was actually good. Everything after that, however, was a shiny turd.

[QUOTE="Denji"]

[QUOTE="lowkey254"] I'm sorry but when I think of her I go back to FFVII and a pixelated sprite isn't a good example. Even the instruction manual kept her pretty tamed. lowkey254

Not in the FMVs...

Every 16bit Final Fantasy game has had the same Yoshitaka Amano art work and has relied on sprites. Final Fantasy characters have been visually "sexualized" since 7.

Since I'm replaying FF8 now and we're talking about the whole sex thing: Anyone remember Shiva? :D

Like for example, is that hair or just her "underwear"?

I usually am appalled by the whole sex thing in videogames but TC is overreacting to be saying Square-Enix needs to stop (based upon the ESRB description). There are many reason why Square-Enix is lame but pointing to this description of Dissidia 2 as the basis for it is just sad. Dissidia 2 is purely fanservice from the start, its not like a new FF or new IP. I bet you want the creators of BlazBlue to be burned to the ground too then, eh?

If youcan't stand the sightofwomen with large breasts then you must not watch movies or even go outside either. Sure I would prefer if women would dress more dignified but thats not going to happen. The only thing I can do is respect them and treat them like everyone else.

[QUOTE="lowkey254"][QUOTE="Denji"] I played that as a teenager, I'm sure in my hornier days I would have noticed something, but if you say so. If you look at Square's work between 4-6 and 8&9, they didn't have anything remotely perverted. Why would they do that for 7? Anyway, my point is that the substance is no longer with Square-Enix. They put out garbage games now.Denji

Every 16bit Final Fantasy game has had the same Yoshitaka Amano art work and has relied on sprites. Final Fantasy characters have been visually "sexualized" since 7.

I usually am appalled by the whole sex thing in videogames but TC is overreacting to be saying Square-Enix needs to stop (based upon the ESRB description). There are many reason why Square-Enix is lame but pointing to this description of Dissidia 2 as the basis for it is just sad. Dissidia 2 is purely fanservice from the start, its not like a new FF or new IP. I bet you want the creators of BlazBlue to be burned to the ground too then, eh?

If youcan't stand the sightofwomen with large breasts then you must not watch movies or even go outside either. Sure I would prefer if women would dress more dignified but thats not going to happen. The only thing I can do is respect them and treat them like everyone else.

I'm done with this thread. I've stated and defended my point, as you all have with yours. On to my next topic.

Um, did everyone just forget the one simple fact of their immaturity?

They're Japanese.

EDIT: They also need to stop making remakes. ENOUGH FFIV. THERE'S LIKE 5 DIFFERENT VERSIONS NOW.

While I can agree that there seems to be a trade-off trend of substance for sex appeal, the only people I can blame is the community that supports it.

Gamers these days ask for one thing and buy another. Most people want their girls hot and sexy, the guys buff and dark and the voilence to be shocking. I think its this era of instant gratification that put the spotlight on games like God of War or Bayonetta instead of Valkyria Chronicles or Heavy Rain (granted different genres) and its not surprising to see SE take the approach of what sells.

While it may seem like creative juices are drying up, its more likley they are trying to appeal to a new (older) crowd that is failing. Change will be inevitable as money is spent on different games. Until then, sex and voilence sells and you can't blame a company for following the dollar since thats what we use to voice our opinions.

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In the end of the day, you buy what you want, so if you're not into that short of thing they shouldn't made it?

There's a lot of awful shows on tv, change channel button is my friend.

Live and let live i say, if SE wants to go that way, let them go, trying to stop people or change their minds is the number one cause for most of the bad things that happen in society.