The future of Graphics on Ps3 4D

http://gamers-creed.com/?p=99

look at these videos O.O

EDIT :

In the past, we have played games, first in 2D, then in 3D. As in the video
above but not near as high quality and remember X360 is very capable of
running these high quality 3D games (and even some elements of 4D).

But in the Future, we will play Games on the Playstation 3 in Full4D!
(These are not transitions, they are textures being morphed in real time)
May I present just a tiny snipit of the future of 4D on the PS3!

Cool :D

fantastic idea of ps3 but i highly doubt they will be able to pull it off nore any system

This thread is hilarious.

4D... come on.

the forth dimension is time.

Oh and btw nice vids.

this is what sony was talking about when they said 4D

A new Dimension for Sony?

Aight so in physics they hypthosize that there is in actuality 11 dimensions. The world in which we live in now is in 3 Dimensions (width, length, and height). But it is said that the universe is in reality 4 dimensions, this is the reason why we have lightyears to measure distance. An example of this is the Sun. The sun is lockated 1 AU away from the Earth and it takes aproximitly 8 minutes for light to travel between the sun and earth meaning the sun is 8 lightminutes away from us. So because of this we are always looking 8 minutes into the past whenever we look at the sun, or if you want to look at this way; all the light on the earth is 8 minutes old.

Now 4D will never happen in video games soley because discover the 4th dimension will drive you mad. Einstein has said this and it has held true so far. For a Dimension to be a Dimension it has to be perpendicular from all the other dimension meaning from each dimension there has to be a 90 degree angle between the others. This is why we live in 3D because it works, any dimesion more than height, length, and width just won't work in our scale. This is why scientists hypthosize that the 4th dimension is time.

Someone up there said that some believe fourth dimension is time. In that case, all video games are at least 3D right? Because time passes in all of them.

4D is impossible to control and emulate onto a videogame...What do you even suspect 4D to be if the fourth dimension isn't time? Time can't be seen, so it would makeno difference in graphics.

If a video game manipulated the fourth dimension, wouldn't it be classified as a time machine?

Someone up there said that some believe fourth dimension is time. In that case, all video games are at least 3D right? Because time passes in all of them.

4D is impossible to control and emulate onto a videogame...What do you even suspect 4D to be if the fourth dimension isn't time? Time can't be seen, so it would makeno difference in graphics.

If a video game manipulated the fourth dimension, wouldn't it be classified as a time machine?

lawlersauce

[QUOTE="lawlersauce"]

Someone up there said that some believe fourth dimension is time. In that case, all video games are at least 3D right? Because time passes in all of them.

4D is impossible to control and emulate onto a videogame...What do you even suspect 4D to be if the fourth dimension isn't time? Time can't be seen, so it would makeno difference in graphics.

If a video game manipulated the fourth dimension, wouldn't it be classified as a time machine?

NickinAround

Alright...but that isn't the 4th dimension. That's more like an emulation of it put through coding on the game. It isn't actually affecting the 4th dimension in any way, it isn't generating a 4th dimension.

[QUOTE="NickinAround"][QUOTE="lawlersauce"]

Someone up there said that some believe fourth dimension is time. In that case, all video games are at least 3D right? Because time passes in all of them.

4D is impossible to control and emulate onto a videogame...What do you even suspect 4D to be if the fourth dimension isn't time? Time can't be seen, so it would makeno difference in graphics.

If a video game manipulated the fourth dimension, wouldn't it be classified as a time machine?

lawlersauce

Alright...but that isn't the 4th dimension. That's more like an emulation of it put through coding on the game. It isn't actually affecting the 4th dimension in any way, it isn't generating a 4th dimension.

the forth dimension is time.

Oh and btw nice vids.

rogerjak

Yeah, I was always told that 4D would be EVERYTHING running at once, like the real world and not loaded/spawned due to the situation or actions of the character. Like in the real world, if I kicked a can, the world wouldn't situate around me kicking a can like it would in a game. The world would continue in it's own way despite me kicking a can or not. That everything happens on it's own and completely random. Another example, you're in a house in some town in a game, but the town doesn't load until you get there. Also when you're about to enter another house. What goes on in that house doesn't happen until you walk in, and it's not at the will of the AI itself, but what it's programmed to do, in a pattern. If you were to walk in a house in the real world, everything is already happening.

4D is in now where anything to do with graphical terms. Cause graphics are pretty much as good as it gets aside for more polygons with each generation. But systems aren't capable of 4D, not for a long shot.

This thread is hilarious.

4D... come on.

Ultra-Alue

right there with you

ok well first of all I think it's kind of lame that your turning this into an argument about physics and crap and second of all while this technology is really cool even though I'm not sure if I plan on playing a game long enough to see that stuff happen, does anyone actually know if their are any games that are using this tecnology??deanie117

I personally think we're still a couple dacades away from even doing this for real.

[QUOTE="lawlersauce"][QUOTE="NickinAround"][QUOTE="lawlersauce"]

Someone up there said that some believe fourth dimension is time. In that case, all video games are at least 3D right? Because time passes in all of them.

4D is impossible to control and emulate onto a videogame...What do you even suspect 4D to be if the fourth dimension isn't time? Time can't be seen, so it would makeno difference in graphics.

If a video game manipulated the fourth dimension, wouldn't it be classified as a time machine?

NickinAround

Alright...but that isn't the 4th dimension. That's more like an emulation of it put through coding on the game. It isn't actually affecting the 4th dimension in any way, it isn't generating a 4th dimension.

Dude a TV is 3D, everything around us is 3D cause we live in a 3D world.

4D doesn't necessarily define graphics, games like prince of persia and metal gear solid 3 are considered to be 4D games, but w/eSOedipus

Explain, please? I want to know.

[QUOTE="rogerjak"]

the forth dimension is time.

Oh and btw nice vids.

Denji

Yeah, I was always told that 4D would be EVERYTHING running at once, like the real world and not loaded/spawned due to the situation or actions of the character. Like in the real world, if I kicked a can, the world wouldn't situate around me kicking a can like it would in a game. The world would continue in it's own way despite me kicking a can or not. That everything happens on it's own and completely random. Another example, you're in a house in some town in a game, but the town doesn't load until you get there. Also when you're about to enter another house. What goes on in that house doesn't happen until you walk in, and it's not at the will of the AI itself, but what it's programmed to do, in a pattern. If you were to walk in a house in the real world, everything is already happening.

4D is in now where anything to do with graphical terms. Cause graphics are pretty much as good as it gets aside for more polygons with each generation. But systems aren't capable of 4D, not for a long shot.

But someday (not far from here, that I'm sure) games will be capable of 4D.

guys i think 4d might be this:

as you play the game everything gets older.

thus the reason why he said everything was deformed in real time.

So let's say you play an adventure game, and as time progresses things get older. Certainly doable, however i think the fact that PS3 can do it in real time fully is the reason why it matters so. Like he said 360 will be able to do some of it and most ly procedurely, and some PCs. Reason why he says that is because the PS3 can do SMD or something (take SMD lightly I forgot the true word) for textures tochange in real time.

Hahahahahaha, 4D technology is impossible!!! All it is, is a bunch of coding to show something aging. It is an internal clock that is directed to adjust time, it isn't adding anything amazing to video games.lawlersauce

Ya... that sounds like 4D.

[QUOTE="lawlersauce"]Hahahahahaha, 4D technology is impossible!!! All it is, is a bunch of coding to show something aging. It is an internal clock that is directed to adjust time, it isn't adding anything amazing to video games.BLKZero55

Ya... that sounds like 4D.

[QUOTE="deanie117"]ok well first of all I think it's kind of lame that your turning this into an argument about physics and crap and second of all while this technology is really cool even though I'm not sure if I plan on playing a game long enough to see that stuff happen, does anyone actually know if their are any games that are using this tecnology??Denji

I personally think we're still a couple dacades away from even doing this for real.

A couple decades away? You obviously don't know anything about procedural synthesis.... Like the guy in the article said it's not anything new and nothing was shown in that video that can't be done in real time on the CEll processor, another thing you probably know nothing about. Also those of you who keep talking like this is only something that makes textures age also don't know what you're talking about. Procedural synthesis can do a lot more than just aging textures in real time it's about deforming or altering textures in real time and generating textures in real time. Before if you shoot a rocket at a building in one frame the game engine will swap out textures in the wall and then swap in ones that show a big hole in the wall, it's like smoke and mirrors. With PS the wall will blow up and deform in real time. Another example of procedural synthesis would be a game where you plant seeds or cast some kind of magic spell and then watch as plant life like flowers or trees are generated in real time during the game or characters in the game can deform and transform in real time in the game. There are many other possibilities with procedural synthesis, to say that this wont do much for games means you don't anything about this tech.

Another upside to procedural synthesis is games that never age. What if old classics like Super Mario Bros. or FFVII were made entirely from procedural synthesis? This would mean with some simple tweaking of the game code algorithms the graphics and level geometry could be completely redone to look like a PS3 game. Here's an article about this.

http://nintendo.about.com/library/procedural/blprocedural2.htm

supposedly, that new video they showed at GDC of killzone 2 behind closed doors was showing off new 4d technologyblitzinger123

Technically it's not 4-D, but this is a good technique and that's great that Killzone 2 will use it if that's true. That particle cloud is amazing and will probably be used for the vehicle explosions and rockets in KZ2. With this vid KZ seems that much more possible.

[QUOTE="Denji"]

[QUOTE="deanie117"]ok well first of all I think it's kind of lame that your turning this into an argument about physics and crap and second of all while this technology is really cool even though I'm not sure if I plan on playing a game long enough to see that stuff happen, does anyone actually know if their are any games that are using this tecnology??jdt532

I personally think we're still a couple dacades away from even doing this for real.

A couple decades away? You obviously don't know anything about procedural synthesis.... Like the guy in the article said it's not anything new and nothing was shown in that video that can't be done in real time on the CEll processor, another thing you probably know nothing about. Also those of you who keep talking like this is only something that makes textures age also don't know what you're talking about. Procedural synthesis can do a lot more than just aging textures in real time it's about deforming or altering textures in real time and generating textures in real time. Before if you shoot a rocket at a building in one frame the game engine will swap out textures in the wall and then swap in ones that show a big hole in the wall, it's like smoke and mirrors. With PS the wall will blow up and deform in real time. Another example of procedural synthesis would be a game where you plant seeds or cast some kind of magic spell and then watch as plant life like flowers or trees are generated in real time during the game or characters in the game can deform and transform in real time in the game. There are many other possibilities with procedural synthesis, to say that this wont do much for games means you don't anything about this tech.

Another upside to procedural synthesis is games that never age. What if old classics like Super Mario Bros. or FFVII were made entirely from procedural synthesis? This would mean with some simple tweaking of the game code algorithms the graphics and level geometry could be completely redone to look like a PS3 game. Here's an article about this.

http://nintendo.about.com/library/procedural/blprocedural2.htm

Okay about that deforming I watched the Killzone trailer and when the ship lands and gets blown up and the ground deforms is that what you're talking about?

Wow, just wow......stay in schoolBreakingPoint8

Seriously! So Mario for the NES was using "4D technology" with a friggin countdown ya nobs. The fourth dimension is inescapable, for crying out loud people, stop getting so riled up about silly buzzwords for new texture rendering technology, hahaha.

Okay about that deforming I watched the Killzone trailer and when the ship lands and gets blown up and the ground deforms is that what you're talking about?G-Legend

Yeah, that's one form of procedural synthesis.

[QUOTE="NickinAround"][QUOTE="lawlersauce"][QUOTE="NickinAround"][QUOTE="lawlersauce"]

Someone up there said that some believe fourth dimension is time. In that case, all video games are at least 3D right? Because time passes in all of them.

4D is impossible to control and emulate onto a videogame...What do you even suspect 4D to be if the fourth dimension isn't time? Time can't be seen, so it would makeno difference in graphics.

If a video game manipulated the fourth dimension, wouldn't it be classified as a time machine?

Maidendude

Alright...but that isn't the 4th dimension. That's more like an emulation of it put through coding on the game. It isn't actually affecting the 4th dimension in any way, it isn't generating a 4th dimension.

Dude a TV is 3D, everything around us is 3D cause we live in a 3D world.

don't we live in a 4d world?

[QUOTE="G-Legend"]Okay about that deforming I watched the Killzone trailer and when the ship lands and gets blown up and the ground deforms is that what you're talking about?jdt532

Yeah, that's one form of procedural synthesis.

And this is possible for a game?

[QUOTE="jdt532"]

[QUOTE="G-Legend"]Okay about that deforming I watched the Killzone trailer and when the ship lands and gets blown up and the ground deforms is that what you're talking about?G-Legend

Yeah, that's one form of procedural synthesis.

And this is possible for a game?

Procedural synthesis has already been done in past games and so has real time geometry deformation. Ever play Red Faction? Now obviously the PS3 is capable of doing waaay more than what was done in past games so yes this is definitely possible.

[QUOTE="SOedipus"]4D doesn't necessarily define graphics, games like prince of persia and metal gear solid 3 are considered to be 4D games, but w/eIbukiNinja

Explain, please? I want to know.

mgs3 takes place before any of the other metal gear games, thus things must go according to how they "should", ie. can't kill ocelot or you would make a time paradox, kinda hard to explain. prince of persia on the otherhand is quite obvious how you can slow down time, etc. onimusha 3 could be seen as a 4d game as well seeing how you play in two differnent time periods and events in the past(jaques) have a direct influence on the present(samanosuke) part of the game

[QUOTE="G-Legend"][QUOTE="jdt532"]

[QUOTE="G-Legend"]Okay about that deforming I watched the Killzone trailer and when the ship lands and gets blown up and the ground deforms is that what you're talking about?jdt532

Yeah, that's one form of procedural synthesis.

And this is possible for a game?

Procedural synthesis has already been done in past games and so has real time geometry deformation. Ever play Red Faction? Now obviously the PS3 is capable of doing waaay more than what was done in past games so yes this is definitely possible.

Okay