When Will People Get it Through Their Heads That Blu-Ray is Essential to the PS3

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I cringe everytime I see someone post something like, "Sony should just axe Blu-Ray", " I don't even watch Blu-Ray"

Are they retarded or something? Blu-Ray isn't just for movies, it's a bigger, better format for the improvment of games as well, just like the DVD with the CD. Just because Mircrosoft decided to stay with an Archaic format, doesn't mean that Sony should too(video game industry is all about progressing right?)

it's funny becuase developers like Epic with Unreal Tournament and Rockstar with GTAIV are already having problems with the DVD compared to Blu-Ray for their games, and the develpers of Killzone 2 has said that KZ2 couldn't be done on the XBOX 360, the main reason being Blu-Ray.

The Biggest thing though is that if Sony cut out Blu-Ray and went back to DVD all of a sudden, you'd end up with those newer models not being able to play any Blu Ray games.

People are so stupid.

People are so stupid.

Out_Kast3000

Yes, robot overlord. We are.

/sarcasm

What are you now, God or something? Don't call people stupid. You are a person! So, according to your logic, you are in fact stupid, which would explain why you would say, "People are so stupid."

Not everybody follows games and gaming hardware like we do. Yes, people in-the-know know that Blu-ray is a very important component of the PS3 as it greatly expands what developers can do with their games. Some people don't understand this. These same people probably don't know that 360 games are DVD-9's and that PS2 and Xbox games were on DVDs. Most people still just call them all CDs.

It's not that they're stupid. It's that they don't spend their time reading about video games and that video games aren't one of their main hobbies.

The only thing that really fills up a blue-ray disc is the uncompressed 7.1 sound... Everything else can fit on a DVD if they wanted. Atleast, most of the games that are being developed can be one ay or another. It is a good thing to have, but at the moment it really isn't essential.RoganSarine

Well, the HD pre-rendered cutscenes take up a bit of space too.

been there done that. This topic MIGHT had some value in 2006/beginning 2007, but now....meh.rogerjak

True but did you know that less than half of Ps3 owners didnt know it played Blu ray? Or what Blu ray even is?

By time late 2008 and beyond blu ray will be a factor, But right now its not a factor

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I cringe everytime I see someone post something like, "Sony should just axe Blu-Ray", " I don't even watch Blu-Ray"

Are they retarded or something? Blu-Ray isn't just for movies, it's a bigger, better format for the improvment of games as well, just like the DVD with the CD. Just because Mircrosoft decided to stay with an Archaic format, doesn't mean that Sony should too(video game industry is all about progressing right?)

it's funny becuase developers like Epic with Unreal Tournament and Rockstar with GTAIV are already having problems with the DVD compared to Blu-Ray for their games, and the develpers of Killzone 2 has said that KZ2 couldn't be done on the XBOX 360, the main reason being Blu-Ray.

The Biggest thing though is that if Sony cut out Blu-Ray and went back to DVD all of a sudden, you'd end up with those newer models not being able to play any Blu Ray games.

People are so stupid.

Out_Kast3000

I wouldnt say blu-ray is essentail to gaming.

It's a fine and welcomed feature, ps3 allows me to watch hd movies without buying an attachement.

Blu-ray has its strengths and weakness's over dvd.

blu-ray holds 5 times as much as a dvd, but reads much slowerd than a dvd meaning longer load times unless you put 2-5 gb of the game on the hdd and even then its about even with 360/ps2 loading times.

Blu-ray in the ps3 reads at 2X.

Blu-ray will not enhance gaming, well it will enhance it and be able to do it on one disc, but 360 can have the same hd textures the same amount of hd video etc etc it would just need to be on multiple discs.

Of course killzone 2 would be possible on ps3 in terms of size(im not sure what effects it has that say 360 cant do but in terms of size it could easily be done) if killzone was over 40gb it would have to be on 2 discs.

people forget they can do great things with compression and as tech and software gets better they can do more.

In a recent interview withID softwarewhen they were talking aboutthere new game rage saying it will be around 80gbbbbb in size and will fit on one blu-ray disc and 2 dvd9' for pc and 360.

As its been reported before over 40gb can be compressed into dvd9 without loss of quality, so its quite clear dvd9 will get the job done for this generation with the only inconvenience being 360 owners may have to use multiple discs, this is nothing new and really only interupts a gaming expierence for around 10 secs.

Im very pleased ps3 came with a blu-ray player its awesome but by no means does that mean ps3 will have games that could be 5 times the size content wise than 360, it just means they can have them games on one disc, a good feautre but not an essential one.

http://pc.qj.net/John-Carmack-talks-Tech-5-80GB-of-textures-will-fit-in-one-Blu-ray-or-2-DVDs/pg/49/aid/99296

http://uk.gamespot.com/pc/driving/idtech5/news.html?sid=6176188

Even if sony lost the hd format war they would never drop the format, when sony released beatmax they intialy took the lead over vhs and looked liked it would dominate in 1983 but after 18 months or so VHS just took off and crippled betamax but sony still supported it for another 8-9 years.

Sonyhave been trying to sow up the multimedia market for years with betamax,UMD,mindisc but all failed it looks like there onto a winner with blu-ray but even if they lossed i'd expect blu-ray to be around for a long time.

Well, the HD pre-rendered cutscenes take up a bit of space too.

dewmandew7

Enough space so as not to fit on a DVD-9?

I will tell you why it is developers are torn. Development costs will shoot up if they need different texture packs for the PS3 to use its additional space or limit a game they already have on the PS3 to get it on the 360. The way I see things panning out? Any game that is a multi-platform release will always have enough data to be stored on DVD-9 and any special features on the PS3 will likely be gimmicks to make it seem like they are using the extra space for something. If both developers decided to go with a next gen format or if they decided to stick with DVD-9 it would have been acceptable to developers, the problem for them is the tremendous difference in storage (HD-DVD and Blu-Ray would have been much easier to develop for than DVD-9 and Blu-Ray).

My 2 cents.

Thats actually the biggest reason why I got the PS3. No need for multiple discs when you can have in just one. Plus more content and bigger worlds or w/e.martialbullet

This is where people get it wrong yes there will be no need for multiple discs, but 360 can have the same size of content or world size's it just may have to put it on 2-3 discs.

The only real advantage of un-compressed anything is sound, video will not lose quality through good compression as already proved in 360's graphics, but uncompressed surround sound will be better.

Blu-Ray holds an unnecessary amount of info. No one in the history of forever will ever fill up a Blu-Ray disc.PlasmaBeam44

Thats wrong they will already be reaching limits on blu-ray.

Allot of 360 games will be over 25gb in space(ps3 only uses 25gb BD discs at the moment but can use 50gb) they are just compressed.

Look at oblivion that game is huge and is compressed to around 6gb, compression can do great things.

id sotwares new game will be around 80gb in size and will have to be compressed to fit onto one 50gb ps3 blu-ray disc.

Blu-Ray holds an unnecessary amount of info. No one in the history of forever will ever fill up a Blu-Ray disc.PlasmaBeam44

You sound allot like this guy Scott Nudds...

http://www.jonlee.ca/hindsight-is-2020/

Blu-Ray holds an unnecessary amount of info. No one in the history of forever will ever fill up a Blu-Ray disc.PlasmaBeam44

Blu-Ray holds an unnecessary amount of info. No one in the history of forever will ever fill up a Blu-Ray disc.PlasmaBeam44

Bill gates once said no one will ever need more than 638KB of memory for their PC...

DVD archaic? Sorry to burst your bubble bud but many MILLIONS of people are just now buying into the DVD craze...and you think Blu-Ray is going to replace it? Hell no.

Case in point: A person walks in to Wal-Mart. They see 2 copies of a movie after walking around for a bit. The Blu-Ray copy retails for $29.99 USD, and the DVD version retails for $9.99 USD...which is the average joe going to buy?

BTW, switching discs every 14-18 hours in Blue Dragon doesn't make the format useless for long games. If Oblivion can fit on a DVD, then Blu-Ray isn't needed yet.

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People are so stupid.

dewmandew7

Yes, robot overlord. We are.

/sarcasm

What are you now, God or something? Don't call people stupid. You are a person! So, according to your logic, you are in fact stupid, which would explain why you would say, "People are so stupid." .

DVD archaic? Sorry to burst your bubble bud but many MILLIONS of people are just now buying into the DVD craze...and you think Blu-Ray is going to replace it? Hell no.

Case in point: A person walks in to Wal-Mart. They see 2 copies of a movie after walking around for a bit. The Blu-Ray copy retails for $29.99 USD, and the DVD version retails for $9.99 USD...which is the average joe going to buy?

BTW, switching discs every 14-18 hours in Blue Dragon doesn't make the format useless for long games. If Oblivion can fit on a DVD, then Blu-Ray isn't needed yet.

TheSystemLord1

1) I love when people confuse the massiveness of Oblivion's universe with its actual size in gigabytes. For a game that's really large and really intensive (yes, even more so than Oblivion), BluRay will be a great luxury. It's often cited as one of the reasons companies decide to make a game exclusive for the PS3.

2) Is BluRay going to replace DVDs anytime soon? Nope. But it's something I'd rather have in my console than not. We call that a "plus" factor.

DVD archaic? Sorry to burst your bubble bud but many MILLIONS of people are just now buying into the DVD craze...and you think Blu-Ray is going to replace it? Hell no.

Case in point: A person walks in to Wal-Mart. They see 2 copies of a movie after walking around for a bit. The Blu-Ray copy retails for $29.99 USD, and the DVD version retails for $9.99 USD...which is the average joe going to buy?

BTW, switching discs every 14-18 hours in Blue Dragon doesn't make the format useless for long games. If Oblivion can fit on a DVD, then Blu-Ray isn't needed yet.

TheSystemLord1

Dont know if you were referring to me (archaic remark) but I was questioning if that was what the TC meant, call it sarcasm if you will. I agree with you on the movie copies scenario, paying an extra $20 for more detailed blood and cleavage doesnt seem like a sound investment for those who are technically aware as I assume we all are here. On the non-technical front, one format is cheaper, giving you the exact same movie, content be damned, it is the movie we care about, $10 any day.