Why all the hate for mp?

So it seems like the past week or so has been home to quite a few threads discussing people's hatred towards multiplayer. I'm really curious why this is the case. Afterall, whe I go online for some mp I see tons of people online, and I'm assuming they're there because they like it. Sure, like most people I also enjoy the sp quite a bit in games, and when I get a game I look for a strong sp first. However, I also like to have a decent mp if it's available. Granted, I'll buy a game soley for the sp rather than solely for the mp (wiith UT3, MAG, and Warhawk being obvious exceptions). I never really played a game that was ruined by the mp, so I don't understand the hatred towards it. Sure, Bioshock 2 may not have that good of a mp, but I really enjoyed the sp. Some games are just bad, boring, or short (i.e. MOH, really short) because they're just not great games. It seems like people use the mp as a scapegoat for mediocre game sometimes. So basically, why all the hate for mp?

I do agree with the lack of splitscreen being a problem, as we get set to play a game and just sit there watching each other play... fun stuff. I do see how it could worry people before hand. Some games really don't need it, like Dead Space 2. However, I think some games are more fun with mp, such as RDR (I just didn't like the sp, but I've been that way with GTA IV as well). Nice to know it's not a hatred towards mp itself. I was actually not that into mp before getting my ps3, but now that I have it I'm pretty into it. But after the psn outage I did get back into sp games, and really have been into them more so ever since (at least something good came of it). At this point I don't think it matters if AC has mp or not (sp is still really good), I just need a break from them. Once I get done Brotherhood I'll probably have to wait a while before getting the new one (unless it turns out to be the most awesome game ever). Actaully, rather than being skeptical of mp, I'm more annoyed a game series releasing a game every year.

Love multiplayer in some games. not so much for others. I dont think bioshock should have mp. I actually love COD multiplayer even though it gets so much hate. I think alot of people are tired of games with 4 hours of singleplayer and then multiplayer. A lot of develpers are ignoring singleplayer and focusing on multiplayer. Which is lame if your buying games for $60 new and not getting desent amount of content. But mp in general is a really cool thing and really ads to the plaay ability of of a game. Lot more time playing the game instead of just selling it you might keep it to play online. I dont keep alot of singleplayer video games cause i dont like to play the story over and over again. (love heavy rain though)

Because single player is what every game should be focused on. I get annoyed when a game implements multiplayer for no reason, not only when it turns out crap, but most of the games that have it, it's completely unnecessary.

it seems like most games that shouldn't have multiplayer end up making a very bad multiplayer. also, the devs that come up with the multiplayer seem to essentially ask themselves, "how can we make our multiplayer as close to call of duty as possible?". if i want to play call of duty then i'll go play that, i don't need to play some cheap knock offAJC3317

You raise a good point with this. I was playing the homefront mp demo last night, and other than a few effects it felt like a COD knockoff (they didn't even bother changing the controls a little bit). I think that's why B:BC2 was so popular, it was simply something different. Hopefully B3 carries on the Battlefield name (just please, we need better servers that don't make the game unplayable for some people).

I don't see why people are so opposed to MP, the games people always mention as having shoehorned in multiplayer, also have much better SP experiences than their predecessors in addition to a MP component. Some of the shoehorned in MP components are actually some of the most fun and unique MPs out there as, like in Indie games, the Devs can be unique and fresh with the MP because they don't have to appeal to a big MP fanbase. BioShock 2, UC2, and ACB MP are three that people like to mention as being shoehorned in, but I've greatly enjoyed them and they have a fairly large community (for being a new MP in a SP series) that really enjoys them.

I like multiplayer in games where it needs to be. I don't need Team Ninja delaying Ninja Gaiden 3 by a year because they can't figure out how to tack on some half-assed co-op mode, or setting aside all the bonus content as DLC to offset the salaries for the guys who worked on the online stuff. Then there's the issue of games turning from amazing single player experiences (Resident Evil 4) to something that can only be enjoyed if you have a friend over or he's online, unless you're fine with crappy AI partners (Resident Evil 5)

I don't hate mp, I just think singleplayer should come first and foremost for 90% of all games. Singleplayer should always take precedence, skimping on sp for mp just doesn't cut it for me, it usually makes me stay away from buying a game.

I like multiplayer in games where it needs to be. I don't need Team Ninja delaying Ninja Gaiden 3 by a year because they can't figure out how to tack on some half-assed co-op mode, or setting aside all the bonus content as DLC to offset the salaries for the guys who worked on the online stuff. Then there's the issue of games turning from amazing single player experiences (Resident Evil 4) to something that can only be enjoyed if you have a friend over or he's online, unless you're fine with crappy AI partners (Resident Evil 5)

istuffedsunny

Oh RE5, the game that should've never happened. But I don't think the mp ruined it, I just think it was a bad game (somehow with great scores). It's sort of like we pretend Silent Hill Homecoming never happened (well ok, it wasn't that bad, just not up to standards).

So after reading what people have been saying I agree that a sp should get more attention. Especially now when games usually have bad stories and annoying characters. Granted, most games I've played have had a passable/decent story, but I think more time should be spent on storytelling and proper character development.

It's because online MP is overshadowing SP and now we're getting stuck with crap single-player modes like on Marvel vs. Capcom 3 and Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood (compared to Assassin's Creed II anyway).

I do agree with the lack of splitscreen being a problem, as we get set to play a game and just sit there watching each other play... fun stuff. I do see how it could worry people before hand. Some games really don't need it, like Dead Space 2. However, I think some games are more fun with mp, such as RDR (I just didn't like the sp, but I've been that way with GTA IV as well). Nice to know it's not a hatred towards mp itself. I was actually not that into mp before getting my ps3, but now that I have it I'm pretty into it. But after the psn outage I did get back into sp games, and really have been into them more so ever since (at least something good came of it). At this point I don't think it matters if AC has mp or not (sp is still really good), I just need a break from them. Once I get done Brotherhood I'll probably have to wait a while before getting the new one (unless it turns out to be the most awesome game ever). Actaully, rather than being skeptical of mp, I'm more annoyed a game series releasing a game every year.

blueboxdoctor

The people are not against multiplayer itself, they love it. Rather, they don't like how developers seem to force themselves to include it. Reptylus

why do i hate multiplayer? hmm..... where do i even start.... i don't think this thread contains enough space for me to fully express my hate towards the dreadful, video game ruining mp... lol

hate isn't a strong enough word... i've seen so many games get butchered by multiplayer that i'm seriously thinking about giving up gaming all together... **** multiplayer and the horse it rode in on. i'm not even gonna comment further... :evil:

hate isn't a strong enough word... i've seen so many games get butchered by multiplayer that i'm seriously thinking about giving up gaming all together... **** multiplayer and the horse it rode in on. i'm not even gonna comment further... :evil:

lotusclown

I'm actually curious which games were completely ruined by mp. I've played games that have bad mp, but have yet to get to one that's been ruined by mp (well depend, I heard Warhawk was supposed to have sp, and if that's the case, then yes, it was ruined by mp that I wasn't really a fan of). I don't want to argue your opinion, I'm just interested in what games your referring to.

[QUOTE="hkymike"]I LOVE MP! I play both single player and multiplayer but MP is so much funner then single player lotusclown

Wow, you mad?

I don't hate multiplayer... I just hate that it's the main focus these days. I do not understand how people can play online so much. How many times can you run back and forth in a map shooting people over and over and over and over before it gets boring. Everything is a FPS game with maybe 10 maps and millions of people playing them daily just running around these small arenas shooting one another over and over and... you get the point.

Gets boring quickly for me. I switch games a lot. I used to be into online gaming at the beginning of this gen but now it's just tiresome.

Online gamers are insane by Farcry 3's denfinition. Doing the same thing over and over again expecting things to be different.

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[QUOTE="hkymike"]I LOVE MP! I play both single player and multiplayer but MP is so much funner then single player Demonjoe93

Wow, you mad?

[QUOTE="lotusclown"]

[QUOTE="hkymike"]I LOVE MP! I play both single player and multiplayer but MP is so much funner then single player Demonjoe93

Wow, you mad?

Wow... There are plenty of single player games out there and plenty of multiplayer games. Everyone has different tastes and different developers focus on different aspects. I too love multiplayer, but recently ive been playing alot of singleplayer games such as L.A. Noire and Heavy Rain. Developers have not given up on singleplayer and they wont. They also wont give up on multiplayer eather. Games like COD and battlefield are mostly about online even though i always play the singleplayer and games like Oblivion and Bioshock (the first) are about single player. We are free to choose what we like in games. Thats the beauty of gaming today. There is stuff for everyone.

It's mostly because a lot of developers skimp on the sp mode when they start adding mpxsynth

A game has a budget - X amount of dollars to make the whole thing. The more money that goes towards the development of the multiplayer, the less that goes to the single player. So the single player experience suffers, there's just no doubt about it.

I personally don't like online because it's infinitely repetitive. Once you learn a map and how the mission needs to proceed, you do basically the exact same thing every time.

With racing games, it's darned near impossible to actually "race" due to the number of asinine children who only want to play demolition derby.

And then there are the campers, the noob tubers, the hackers, etc.

Online has no story, no characters, no progression from beginning to middle to end - it's not a "game", it's a gameplay mechanic.

[QUOTE="lotusclown"]

hate isn't a strong enough word... i've seen so many games get butchered by multiplayer that i'm seriously thinking about giving up gaming all together... **** multiplayer and the horse it rode in on. i'm not even gonna comment further... :evil:

blueboxdoctor

I'm actually curious which games were completely ruined by mp. I've played games that have bad mp, but have yet to get to one that's been ruined by mp (well depend, I heard Warhawk was supposed to have sp, and if that's the case, then yes, it was ruined by mp that I wasn't really a fan of). I don't want to argue your opinion, I'm just interested in what games your referring to.

Sadly, I've asked the same thing and they keep resorting to the same three or so games (ACB, BioShock 2, UC2), which don't actually count because 2 of the 3 have vastly improved SP from their predecessors and a MP component so the MP actually improved the SP if anything. In the case of BioShock 2, a completely different studio was in charge of MP so it is irrelevant, not to mention the MP was actually really fun; I doubt many of the people bashing it actually played it.

A game has a budget - X amount of dollars to make the whole thing. The more money that goes towards the development of the multiplayer, the less that goes to the single player. So the single player experience suffers, there's just no doubt about it.

I personally don't like online because it's infinitely repetitive. Once you learn a map and how the mission needs to proceed, you do basically the exact same thing every time.

With racing games, it's darned near impossible to actually "race" due to the number of asinine children who only want to play demolition derby.

And then there are the campers, the noob tubers, the hackers, etc.

Online has no story, no characters, no progression from beginning to middle to end - it's not a "game", it's a gameplay mechanic.

Jackc8

The budget that goes towards MP wouldn't even be used in the SP anyways, why is it better to shoehorn more things into an already complete SP campaign to improve length, but it's so wrong to include a MP mode?

I don't hate it, I simply rarely ever play it. That being said, once a game includes multiplayer I find it hard for me to shed 60 bucks knowing I'll be playing a portion of it. Whether it's good or not, I simply don't find myself buying such said game day 1 mainly because of multiplayer. Obvious example would be Assassin's Creed, it was a title which I loved and loved the idea that it's single player only. Needless to say I haven't bought Brotherhood yet and I doubt I will, same thing would happen to Revelations as well. So I might as well just give up the series by itself.

I don't hate it, I simply rarely ever play it. That being said, once a game includes multiplayer I find it hard for me to shed 60 bucks knowing I'll be playing a portion of it. Whether it's good or not, I simply don't find myself buying such said game day 1 mainly because of multiplayer. Obvious example would be Assassin's Creed, it was a title which I loved and loved the idea that it's single player only. Needless to say I haven't bought Brotherhood yet and I doubt I will, same thing would happen to Revelations as well. So I might as well just give up the series by itself.

finalserenade75

Well, Brotherhood's sp is right there with AC2's sp. I was also worried about getting this game, but that was because it came only a year after the 2nd (same goes for Revelations now) and I just assumed it wouldn't be as good. So far I've been pleasently surprised. Making the game in one large city rather than several smaller ones gives a more coherent feel to the game (not to say the others were bad for having several cities, this is just a nice change). It's easy enough to really get into the game without even touching the mp.

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[QUOTE="lotusclown"]

hate isn't a strong enough word... i've seen so many games get butchered by multiplayer that i'm seriously thinking about giving up gaming all together... **** multiplayer and the horse it rode in on. i'm not even gonna comment further... :evil:

StealthMonkey4

I'm actually curious which games were completely ruined by mp. I've played games that have bad mp, but have yet to get to one that's been ruined by mp (well depend, I heard Warhawk was supposed to have sp, and if that's the case, then yes, it was ruined by mp that I wasn't really a fan of). I don't want to argue your opinion, I'm just interested in what games your referring to.

Sadly, I've asked the same thing and they keep resorting to the same three or so games (ACB, BioShock 2, UC2), which don't actually count because 2 of the 3 have vastly improved SP from their predecessors and a MP component so the MP actually improved the SP if anything. In the case of BioShock 2, a completely different studio was in charge of MP so it is irrelevant, not to mention the MP was actually really fun; I doubt many of the people bashing it actually played it.

Yeah, I've rathered enjoyed all 3 of those games. I wasn't a fan of UC1, but the 2nd game really got me wanting to play the 3rd for it's sp because it's mp beta isn't doing anything for me. ACB has a sp just as good as the 2nd game. For Bioshock 2 I actually am liking the story a little more than the 1st. I think it's because the main antagonist is more involved, and there seems to be more background to Andrew Ryan in it, which is rather interesting. I played some of the mp in ACB and Bioshock 2, and I think it's interesting how the both tried to be something other than a COD ripoff and people are basically putting them down for it.

I don't hate it, I simply rarely ever play it. That being said, once a game includes multiplayer I find it hard for me to shed 60 bucks knowing I'll be playing a portion of it. Whether it's good or not, I simply don't find myself buying such said game day 1 mainly because of multiplayer. Obvious example would be Assassin's Creed, it was a title which I loved and loved the idea that it's single player only. Needless to say I haven't bought Brotherhood yet and I doubt I will, same thing would happen to Revelations as well. So I might as well just give up the series by itself.

finalserenade75

[QUOTE="finalserenade75"]

I don't hate it, I simply rarely ever play it. That being said, once a game includes multiplayer I find it hard for me to shed 60 bucks knowing I'll be playing a portion of it. Whether it's good or not, I simply don't find myself buying such said game day 1 mainly because of multiplayer. Obvious example would be Assassin's Creed, it was a title which I loved and loved the idea that it's single player only. Needless to say I haven't bought Brotherhood yet and I doubt I will, same thing would happen to Revelations as well. So I might as well just give up the series by itself.

ShangTsung17

A different Dev made the MP, it has absolutely no effect on the SP campaign at all.

1. Because it forces SP people who don't play much MP games to pay for a feature they don't want.
2. MP is killing the SP experience. Rare anymore is it possible to find a decently long, quality SP campaign that is worth paying full price for.
3. Usually the MP feels like an afterthought. It seldom stands out from other games.
4. Particularly with Sony: slow network + onlilne gaming = unhappy campers.