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#51 Deihmos
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[QUOTE="Deihmos"][QUOTE="noluvv"]

[QUOTE="TheSystemLord1"][QUOTE="nanomecha4"]VT3 online play is gonna suck. Lag will make it innacurate and hard to truly play well. Sucks for 360 owners.noluvv



People said that about DOA4...and oh wait...online is fantastic for that game.

Its really kind of redundant cause I havent played a game online that didnt suck with lag.  Am I missing something here? 

Maybe it's time to move from your 128KB connection?

The reason why th eXbox has online is because MS provides everything to the developers. Servers and everything so they don't have to do much. Sony does not provode Jack.... When VF5 comes out for the Xbox I am sure it will have online unlike the PS3 version. The problem is not every developer wants to consume the expense of running servers etc.

I have cable modem and its not 128kb try 3000kb.  Oh and you seem to miss the point.  No game is good with lag.  I didnt say I continuously have lag problems.  Just cause you have a good connection does not mean you wont experience lag.  What planet do you live on?

If  all parties have good connections there would be no lag and that's a fact. If your buddy has a 128K connection he will mess up the connection. I usually host games since i have a 30 000/ 5000 kb connection and we never experience lag.

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#52 kingtito
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There's a big difference between 1080p and 720p upscaled to 1080p, which is what the 360 is doing with the game. The PS3 gets a true 1080p signal with 1080p high res textures. The 360 has 720p and lower res textures that are being upscaled to 1080p. Big difference.needlesmcgirk

Serioulsy you have no idea what you're saying. VT3 is going to be "TRUE" 1080P for the 360. Stop being such a fanboy

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#53 kingtito
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why get virtua tennis to begin with? spend those 60 dollars on something bettermasterchef1000

And who's to say VT3 isn't a good game....YOU. Maybe you should change it to say "I would spend the 60 on something I think is better."

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#54 xxxxrefusedxxxx
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It's not just a matter of writing the code, they also have to pay for the servers to match up games, host the lobby chat, etc - things that XBL provide (for a fee). I guess they just don't see the cost of adding online play as worth it for the PS3 version of the game. Also, the PS3 buyers as a whole probably aren't as much into online gaming - that type of gamer would probably gravitate to the 360.Hulabaloza
Devs do not have to supply their own servers. It's been stated several times by Insomniac that Sony owns and runs all the online servers for Resistance. VT3 will more than likely have online play for both systems, as it has been in a very playable state since before the launch of the PS3, and one can only assume the extra development time has been to implement an online infrastructure for the PS3 version. It would be tantamount to suicide to release the same game on the same day for Xbox and PS3 and have one version online and the other not. That's the sort of thing that would make me want to switch systems, and I know I'm not alone. Developers know this as well and I am quite sure we will see VT3 online. Tennis is a game *made* for online play and with a good setup could turn into one of the PS3s biggest online games of the spring.
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[QUOTE="Hulabaloza"]It's not just a matter of writing the code, they also have to pay for the servers to match up games, host the lobby chat, etc - things that XBL provide (for a fee). I guess they just don't see the cost of adding online play as worth it for the PS3 version of the game. Also, the PS3 buyers as a whole probably aren't as much into online gaming - that type of gamer would probably gravitate to the 360.xxxxrefusedxxxx
Devs do not have to supply their own servers. It's been stated several times by Insomniac that Sony owns and runs all the online servers for Resistance. VT3 will more than likely have online play for both systems, as it has been in a very playable state since before the launch of the PS3, and one can only assume the extra development time has been to implement an online infrastructure for the PS3 version. It would be tantamount to suicide to release the same game on the same day for Xbox and PS3 and have one version online and the other not. That's the sort of thing that would make me want to switch systems, and I know I'm not alone. Developers know this as well and I am quite sure we will see VT3 online. Tennis is a game *made* for online play and with a good setup could turn into one of the PS3s biggest online games of the spring.

Sony owns the IP for Resistance. That's why they pay for the servers. If you are a third party publishing games on the PS3, Sony isn't going to pay for your servers. What do they have to gain at that point? Advertising could change this, but that's a ways off. This is why XBL costs money.
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#56 VonGak
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[QUOTE="nanomecha4"]VT3 online play is gonna suck. Lag will make it innacurate and hard to truly play well. Sucks for 360 owners.TheSystemLord1


People said that about DOA4...and oh wait...online is fantastic for that game.

Yes and that's why it's enjoying so great sales... no wait, seems like you are alone. Back to topic, where the heck is the sourche which sparked this debate? Sound like a spin-off on the previous Virtua Fighter being online on the 360. Heck it's even the same people, Snyper and gang. Would be nice to see you come here to talk games, just once (apparently it's too much to ask).
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[QUOTE="needlesmcgirk"]There's a big difference between 1080p and 720p upscaled to 1080p, which is what the 360 is doing with the game. The PS3 gets a true 1080p signal with 1080p high res textures. The 360 has 720p and lower res textures that are being upscaled to 1080p. Big difference.

Ummmm.... No. It is in native 1080p my little sony fanboy.
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VT3 online play is gonna suck. Lag will make it innacurate and hard to truly play well. Sucks for 360 owners.nanomecha4
You keep telling yourself that if it makes you sleep better at night.
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#59 blackace
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What the hell is VT3???ColoradoKindBud

Virtua Tennis 3 from SEGA. It sucks that they won't have Online play on the PS3. I guess SEGA didn't want to pay for the servers or something.

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#60 blackace
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The only reason 360 version has online is because Sumo Digital is western dev. AM3 is Japanese. Its not a 360/PS3 issue. Its a Developer problem. AM2 is the superior developer but Sumo is better geared for online implentation. Too bad Online is gonna suck for VT3 anyways.nanomecha4

Sounds like someone is jealous. I doubt it'll suck online. I can't wait for this game.

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[QUOTE="TheSystemLord1"][QUOTE="nanomecha4"]VT3 online play is gonna suck. Lag will make it innacurate and hard to truly play well. Sucks for 360 owners.VonGak


People said that about DOA4...and oh wait...online is fantastic for that game.

Yes and that's why it's enjoying so great sales... no wait, seems like you are alone. Back to topic, where the heck is the sourche which sparked this debate? Sound like a spin-off on the previous Virtua Fighter being online on the 360. Heck it's even the same people, Snyper and gang. Would be nice to see you come here to talk games, just once (apparently it's too much to ask).

What does sales have to do with how well a game works online? It is always nice to try to divert the argument to something more favorable for you, and that may work with some people, but I am on to your little games.
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I wouldnt worry too much about it. A tennis game wouldn't be very fun online anyway.

If fps come out for ps3 without online then you can get upset.

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#63 rocklimit
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I really don't care about online play for this game.

Online play usually brings down the quality of games.

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#64 perfect-dank-0
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I really don't care about online play for this game.

Online play usually brings down the quality of games.

rocklimit

Not true. Would halo 2 or perfect dark zero be better without online?

or what about resistance?

Online makes games better and I usually won't buy a game if it isn't online.

Although tennis will probly suck with or without it

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#65 animation_imp
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First the facts:

Xbox 360 version will be true 1080p
and will have on-line play

ps3 version will not support on-line

This is truly dissapointing as Top Spinn had on-line and it was great. Playing vt3 against your friends on-line will be amazing.

In an article for the european opm benelux, sega officials state these facts themselves. The only added feature for the ps3 is the motion control. They continued to state that sony simply hadn't provided them with the specs of their on-line support system in time, so it couldn't get implemented. Also a patch isn't likely. It is probable that the next vt game on the ps3 will support on-line...
Seems Sony has been a bit too slow... same thing with their loss of several exclusives, seems something was going on inside the sony fortress, 'cause I can't explain otherwise why one of my favourite gaming-providers let the ball slip so many times in the last year.
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IMO, this is not a console game, I am getting this for PSP and the PSP version has online play.
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[QUOTE="VonGak"][QUOTE="TheSystemLord1"][QUOTE="nanomecha4"]VT3 online play is gonna suck. Lag will make it innacurate and hard to truly play well. Sucks for 360 owners.snyper1982


People said that about DOA4...and oh wait...online is fantastic for that game.

Yes and that's why it's enjoying so great sales... no wait, seems like you are alone. Back to topic, where the heck is the sourche which sparked this debate? Sound like a spin-off on the previous Virtua Fighter being online on the 360. Heck it's even the same people, Snyper and gang. Would be nice to see you come here to talk games, just once (apparently it's too much to ask).

What does sales have to do with how well a game works online? It is always nice to try to divert the argument to something more favorable for you, and that may work with some people, but I am on to your little games.

Very simple, if online was a selling point for the genre then the DOA titles boosting online would have been doing better. And the games' downside, the responsiveness , is also what makes it possible to be played online.
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First the facts:

Xbox 360 version will be true 1080p
and will have on-line play

ps3 version will not support on-line

This is truly dissapointing as Top Spinn had on-line and it was great. Playing vt3 against your friends on-line will be amazing.

In an article for the european opm benelux, sega officials state these facts themselves. The only added feature for the ps3 is the motion control. They continued to state that sony simply hadn't provided them with the specs of their on-line support system in time, so it couldn't get implemented. Also a patch isn't likely. It is probable that the next vt game on the ps3 will support on-line...
Seems Sony has been a bit too slow... same thing with their loss of several exclusives, seems something was going on inside the sony fortress, 'cause I can't explain otherwise why one of my favourite gaming-providers let the ball slip so many times in the last year.
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Can you provide a link to where Sega officially stated that VT3 for PS3 will not be online? That fact basically determines whether I purchase this game or not.
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[QUOTE="Deihmos"][QUOTE="noluvv"]

[QUOTE="TheSystemLord1"][QUOTE="nanomecha4"]VT3 online play is gonna suck. Lag will make it innacurate and hard to truly play well. Sucks for 360 owners.noluvv



People said that about DOA4...and oh wait...online is fantastic for that game.

Its really kind of redundant cause I havent played a game online that didnt suck with lag.  Am I missing something here? 

Maybe it's time to move from your 128KB connection?

The reason why th eXbox has online is because MS provides everything to the developers. Servers and everything so they don't have to do much. Sony does not provode Jack.... When VF5 comes out for the Xbox I am sure it will have online unlike the PS3 version. The problem is not every developer wants to consume the expense of running servers etc.

I have cable modem and its not 128kb try 3000kb.  Oh and you seem to miss the point.  No game is good with lag.  I didnt say I continuously have lag problems.  Just cause you have a good connection does not mean you wont experience lag.  What planet do you live on?

I never have lag..even with me PS2... no lag. Never.
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[QUOTE="animation_imp"]First the facts:

Xbox 360 version will be true 1080p
and will have on-line play

ps3 version will not support on-line

This is truly dissapointing as Top Spinn had on-line and it was great. Playing vt3 against your friends on-line will be amazing.

In an article for the european opm benelux, sega officials state these facts themselves. The only added feature for the ps3 is the motion control. They continued to state that sony simply hadn't provided them with the specs of their on-line support system in time, so it couldn't get implemented. Also a patch isn't likely. It is probable that the next vt game on the ps3 will support on-line...
Seems Sony has been a bit too slow... same thing with their loss of several exclusives, seems something was going on inside the sony fortress, 'cause I can't explain otherwise why one of my favourite gaming-providers let the ball slip so many times in the last year.
xxxxrefusedxxxx
Can you provide a link to where Sega officially stated that VT3 for PS3 will not be online? That fact basically determines whether I purchase this game or not.

heres one from ign http://ps3.ign.com/articles/735/735569p1.html i chose ign because cows cant stop talking about the oblivion report from there.
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[QUOTE="xxxxrefusedxxxx"][QUOTE="animation_imp"]First the facts:

Xbox 360 version will be true 1080p
and will have on-line play

ps3 version will not support on-line

This is truly dissapointing as Top Spinn had on-line and it was great. Playing vt3 against your friends on-line will be amazing.

In an article for the european opm benelux, sega officials state these facts themselves. The only added feature for the ps3 is the motion control. They continued to state that sony simply hadn't provided them with the specs of their on-line support system in time, so it couldn't get implemented. Also a patch isn't likely. It is probable that the next vt game on the ps3 will support on-line...
Seems Sony has been a bit too slow... same thing with their loss of several exclusives, seems something was going on inside the sony fortress, 'cause I can't explain otherwise why one of my favourite gaming-providers let the ball slip so many times in the last year.
jxditu
Can you provide a link to where Sega officially stated that VT3 for PS3 will not be online? That fact basically determines whether I purchase this game or not.

heres one from ign http://ps3.ign.com/articles/735/735569p1.html i chose ign because cows cant stop talking about the oblivion report from there.

That's from way back in September before PS3 even launched. It's safe to say things could have changed since then. If it doesn't have online for PS3 I'm going to be pissed!

Edit:

[UPDATE: In speaking with a Sega representative, the company confirmed that online support will be specific to the Xbox 360, while the PlayStation 3 version will include added support for the PS3 controller's tilt functionality in lieu of being able to play online. Both versions, however, will include support for 1080p resolution.

“What we really wanted to do was focus on making each version unique,” commented a Sega representative, “and so with the Xbox Live features and the SIXAXIS tilt functionality, we think that each version will offer players an unique experience.”]

from http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=12664

First Tony Hawk, now VT3. I'm seriously considering trading my PS3 for a 360. This is ridiculous. What kind of a sports game does not have online play???
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#72 jxditu
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http://www.sega.com/games/game_temp.php?game=virtuatennis3&lid=gp_virtuatennis3&lpos=nav_pldwnlst

guess thats it. no online for ps3

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[QUOTE="snyper1982"][QUOTE="VonGak"][QUOTE="TheSystemLord1"][QUOTE="nanomecha4"]VT3 online play is gonna suck. Lag will make it innacurate and hard to truly play well. Sucks for 360 owners.VonGak


People said that about DOA4...and oh wait...online is fantastic for that game.

Yes and that's why it's enjoying so great sales... no wait, seems like you are alone. Back to topic, where the heck is the sourche which sparked this debate? Sound like a spin-off on the previous Virtua Fighter being online on the 360. Heck it's even the same people, Snyper and gang. Would be nice to see you come here to talk games, just once (apparently it's too much to ask).

What does sales have to do with how well a game works online? It is always nice to try to divert the argument to something more favorable for you, and that may work with some people, but I am on to your little games.

Very simple, if online was a selling point for the genre then the DOA titles boosting online would have been doing better. And the games' downside, the responsiveness , is also what makes it possible to be played online.

Niceeee..... Circle around my question with misdirection. I asked what does online gaming performance have to do with how well it sales? If it performs well online, it does not matter how well it sales, when sales was never even a part of the discussion. You really are good at never flat out answering a question, but instead making comments that seem to hold water on the surface, but really don't. The simple answer to my question was, sales have absolutely NOTHING to do with how well the game works online......
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#75 ATG1
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[QUOTE="Videodogg"]both the 360 and PS3 have the ability to play online, so why did the PS3 version of VT3 get the shaft for no online play?ZeLeam
link saying that ps3 vt3 wont have online play?

http://games.kikizo.com/news/200702/024.asp

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#76 xxxxrefusedxxxx
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Well, that settles it for me. This game went from a sure-fire launch-day purchase to not even renting it out of spite. I'm incredibly disappointed by this. Maybe I should trade my PS3 for a 360 because it seems clear Sony doesn't care about online.
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#77 Master__Shake
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The PS3 version is 1080P and will have Online play. The 360 version is not 1080P. nanomecha4
360 is online and 1080p...but somehow to me online is more important than 1080p...oh well 360 has both.
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#78 FootballGamer
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The PS3 version is 1080P and will have Online play. The 360 version is not 1080P. nanomecha4


Wrong. The 360 will be 1080p, and will have online. I am not sure about the PS3 version, but everthing I have read so far is saying it will ot be online.
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#79 ecarriga
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Maybe it's time to move from your 128KB connection?

The reason why th eXbox has online is because MS provides everything to the developers. Servers and everything so they don't have to do much. Sony does not provode Jack.... When VF5 comes out for the Xbox I am sure it will have online unlike the PS3 version. The problem is not every developer wants to consume the expense of running servers etc.

actually the online servers for resistance fall of man are owned operated and managed by sony.... so they supply much more than is widely perceived by the public....
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#80 Master__Shake
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VT3 online play is gonna suck. Lag will make it innacurate and hard to truly play well. Sucks for 360 owners.nanomecha4
Obviously you've never played top spin which has excellent online play.
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#81 FootballGamer
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[QUOTE="rocklimit"]I really don't care about online play for this game.

Online play usually brings down the quality of games.

perfect-dank-0

Not true. Would halo 2 or perfect dark zero be better without online?

or what about resistance?

Online makes games better and I usually won't buy a game if it isn't online.

Although tennis will probly suck with or without it



Hes talking about tennis games online, and I understand what he saying, because any lag or hicup in a tennis game can cause you to lose.It has to be smooth the whole time.
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#82 FootballGamer
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OMG people are getting too worked up over this, its tennis! Okay virtua tennis is good for playing on something like a psp but whats the point buying it for a PS3? too repetitive even if it does have mini games and why play online anyway because your better off playing against the computer without lag and people calling you a noob on every point. plus its sega and so far, they haven't impressed much.speedjunkie1992


I really cant stand little kids. Why by a tennis game for a home console, I dont know, maybe so I can play with friends on my 50 inch instead of playing by myself on PSP. Hey while your at it, why buy any game on anything but psp. In fact im selling my home theater, and buying 3 more PSPs. GET OUT OF HERE AND DONT COME BACK!
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or better, play the real thing!speedjunkie1992


Another intelligent post. Ill go play in the imaginary court that I dont have in my back yard. Also, when I get the itch for some tennis at midnight, Ill go up and down the street yelling to see if someone wants to play.
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#84 FootballGamer
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why get virtua tennis to begin with? spend those 60 dollars on something bettermasterchef1000


There are some ignorant people on this site!
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[QUOTE="needlesmcgirk"]There's a big difference between 1080p and 720p upscaled to 1080p, which is what the 360 is doing with the game. The PS3 gets a true 1080p signal with 1080p high res textures. The 360 has 720p and lower res textures that are being upscaled to 1080p. Big difference.



Not true, but you can keep pushing that false information, since I can see you are one of those type of people. It is almost impossible to tell the diff between a straight 720/1080i source, and a straight 1080p source, let alone an upscaled 720p. 1080p is a marketing ploy at this point to make you feel as if your 720p/1080i set is old and outdated when this just isnt true. Until they start coming out with more 65inch plus tvs, it is unnecessary and useless. The only other way someone would benefit from it is if they sat at a desk and played a 360 or PS3 in 1080p.

Check this out, it will explain it all.

http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=ps3&thread.id=938503
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#86 FootballGamer
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VT3 online play is gonna suck. Lag will make it innacurate and hard to truly play well. Sucks for 360 owners.nanomecha4


How does it suk for them. they have more options them the PS3 owners. At least they can try to play online if they want. I reall cant understand how someone can try and find anyway to make another system look bad. I am fortunate enough to be able to afford them all, but if not I would just pick the one that best fits my needs, wothout bashing the others. Its racism I tell you, straight up racism.
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#87 Cellien
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[QUOTE="ColoradoKindBud"]

[QUOTE="nanomecha4"]The only reason 360 version has online is because Sumo Digital is western dev. AM3 is Japanese. Its not a 360/PS3 issue. Its a Developer problem. AM2 is the superior developer but Sumo is better geared for online implentation. Too bad Online is gonna suck for VT3 anyways.davez82

Another fanboy statement. I'm shocked & surprised...



dood seriously are u the fanboy police for ps3 fanboys on the ps3 forum??? go to some other forum. its so annoying you saying fanboy every other post..

Fanboy alert! Lol.. I think its funny when he does that, cause I can just see some dude popping in and saying "FANBOY ALERT!!" in real life in the middle of the conversation. :D
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#88 FootballGamer
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[QUOTE="needlesmcgirk"]There's a big difference between 1080p and 720p upscaled to 1080p, which is what the 360 is doing with the game. The PS3 gets a true 1080p signal with 1080p high res textures. The 360 has 720p and lower res textures that are being upscaled to 1080p. Big difference.kingtito

Serioulsy you have no idea what you're saying. VT3 is going to be "TRUE" 1080P for the 360. Stop being such a fanboy



Let it be, he will get in trouble one day, by going around talking about something he obviously knows nothing about.
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#89 FootballGamer
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[QUOTE="rocklimit"]I really don't care about online play for this game.

Online play usually brings down the quality of games.

perfect-dank-0

Not true. Would halo 2 or perfect dark zero be better without online?

or what about resistance?

Online makes games better and I usually won't buy a game if it isn't online.

Although tennis will probly suck with or without it

I dont see what you guys have against tennis games. I find most baseball games to be to slow paced. I also think bball games are garbage, but it is my opinion. Tennis is face paced.
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#90 FootballGamer
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IMO, this is not a console game, I am getting this for PSP and the PSP version has online play.xxThyLordxx


I know its your opinion, but can yu back it up with anything. What makes any game a home console game?
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#91 FootballGamer
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Well, that settles it for me. This game went from a sure-fire launch-day purchase to not even renting it out of spite. I'm incredibly disappointed by this. Maybe I should trade my PS3 for a 360 because it seems clear Sony doesn't care about online.xxxxrefusedxxxx


Unfortunately they never have. The only game that has ever been half way decent for online play was Socom. I was very dissapointed when I found out they would not be charging monthly for online play.
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#92 xxxxrefusedxxxx
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Bah I'm still angry over this. I feel like I'm being shilled by Sega. I don't give a crap about waving my Sixaxis around like a tennis racket, that's why I have a Wii. Give me online or give me death! Seriously though, anybody know where I can direct my offline-only anger towards Sega?
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#93 FootballGamer
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[QUOTE="nanomecha4"]VT3 online play is gonna suck. Lag will make it innacurate and hard to truly play well. Sucks for 360 owners.Master__Shake
Obviously you've never played top spin which has excellent online play.



Yes, it is but it has its moments if the other person is lagging. But i guess you could say that is all games.
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#94 FootballGamer
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[QUOTE="xxxxrefusedxxxx"]Bah I'm still angry over this. I feel like I'm being shilled by Sega. I don't give a crap about waving my Sixaxis around like a tennis racket, that's why I have a Wii. Give me online or give me death! Seriously though, anybody know where I can direct my offline-only anger towards Sega?



I agreee, I really wish sont would stop trying to be like nintendo, and give us rumble back.
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[QUOTE="Krigon"]So, is VT3 for PS3 going to have online or not? killfooler
I would bet on "not." It's really sad too. I would have loved to see Sony answer Microsoft with a good online service. I remember all the hype back when Sony boasted that theirs would be better.

LOL yep that was a good one.  At least by that point I knew sony is lying sack of crap and didn't believe it for 1 second.  They are really hurting for an online network.

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To answer the original poster's question in a different way than others, let's throw out the big difference between online implementations between Xbox Live and the PlayStation Network: user hosted matches. Currently, like the PS2 network infrastructure, all hosting is handled by third-party servers on PSN. This means a monetary investement in providing "player space" for each ad every online game on the PS3. Xbox Live is both a protocol and a set of features, allowing developers to use custom servers (like with Battlefield 2 and some others) or allow users to host their own matches. It is this difference that I think will spell a difference between cross-platform games implementing online.

I remember loading an online game for the PS2 one day and getting a message that servers were not available. It was an early game, I can't remember the title, but this is a problem that will always be faced on an unstructured network that relies on third parties rather than game owners to support online play. To this day you can still play every Xbox Live enabled game, including awful launch games like Whacked! No one else may be playing, but if you have a friend with the same game you are good to go. There is no case of a developer deciding a game is too old to bother servicing any longer.

For Virtua Tennis 3 you are talking a game that supports a maximum on four players. While servers could easily support loads and loads of "rooms", it is a game type better served by user-hosted rooms. Whether they admit it or not, it is this reason I believe SEGA didn't push to have online play on the PS3 version.

While not part of the original question, the issue has been raised and answered multiple times, but here it goes again: the official SEGA Press Release for the 360 version of Virtua Tennis 3 says the game targets 1080P as its resolution, it doesn't use the scaler to reach this resolution.

As to the latency issue brought up, there are currently two tennis-type games on the 360: Top Spin 2 and Rockstar Games Presents Table Tennis. I may not be a tennis fan but in due dilligence I have tested both games and have never had any lag.

In addition, SEGA is including a feature Microsoft promised but so far has only delivered in two games: Spectator Mode. Unlike shooters where you "spectate" a match while dead or waiting to spawn, this is an ad-hoc spectator system. Currently Project Gotham Racing 3 (through its PGTV) and Tabble Tennis (Table Tennis Network) offer this and Virtua Tennis 3 willbe thethird. You use a server browser to find a game you're interested in and can watch, meaning additional network traffic is being generated. Some even support voice chat with other spectators or with the players meaning even more traffic. Given theirinclusion of this feature SEGA must be confident in their network performance in VT3 over Xbox Live.

Ultimately I will always choose the 360 version of a multi-platform release because of Xbox Live's features. It's sad, though, that PS3 users don't at least get the option. It already bothers me that most PS3 games don't support voice chat (something most later PS2 online games did), and type chat is no substitute. I probably would play some more Full Auto 2 online if it didn't play like single player with smarter adversaries. I play online for the community far more than the challenge. Not everyone does of course, but as a feature I've used for four years it seems like a huge leap backward (and don't get me started on the whole re-link my Bluetooth headset every time issue). With Resistence handling voice fine (albeit with an odd mechanic) it's even more irritating when newer games like F1 are going to hit without voice.

The bottom line: SEGA says they got networking libraries late, I'm saying it's not practical in a non-peer-to-peer environment, as to why a PS3 game ships months after launch without online support.