WHY is there going to be a 3rd Final Fantasy XIII???! XIII series is horrendous.

[QUOTE="happy_dude64"]
You're calling me the idiot, yet you're the one who does not know how to read. I will post this AGAIN (note how I didn't necessarily state that it is crap (despite the FFXIII series really being crap)):

Downward trend = not as good as before. 

^can you read that better now that it is in bigger fonts and in red? 

 

 

[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]

[QUOTE="soundcellx"]

 

Anyway, I am trying to figure out who your avatar is.  

soundcellx

The "new" Lara Croft....

Stop lying to me. 

That is not Lara Croft, genius. I have played Tomb Raider games before, and that is not anything like her. So, I will ask again, "Who is your avatar?".  

Just be thankful for what you had. I mean there's been a gazillion FF games. Eventually things are going to go downhill, and they're going to run out of good ideas. Be thankful for the great games the series produced, but it's unrealistic to expect them to make 100 5-star FF games.

Just be thankful for what you had. I mean there's been a gazillion FF games. Eventually things are going to go downhill, and they're going to run out of good ideas. Be thankful for the great games the series produced, but it's unrealistic to expect them to make 100 5-star FF games.

DaRq_MiNoS

Win!

TC...well not so much seeing the majority on this thread is against him. Wait a moment! Then that means majority rule is true! WE ARE RIGHT ABOUT THE GAMES BEING ALRIGHT OR BETTER THAN WHAT TC GIVES THEM CREDIT FOR! HUZZAH!

[QUOTE="DaRq_MiNoS"]

Just be thankful for what you had. I mean there's been a gazillion FF games. Eventually things are going to go downhill, and they're going to run out of good ideas. Be thankful for the great games the series produced, but it's unrealistic to expect them to make 100 5-star FF games.

happy_dude64

Win!

TC...well not so much seeing the majority on this thread is against him. Wait a moment! Then that means majority rule is true! WE ARE RIGHT ABOUT THE GAMES BEING ALRIGHT OR BETTER THAN WHAT TC GIVES THEM CREDIT FOR! HUZZAH!

1/3 of the people who bought FFXIII bought FFXIII-2.  

Also, much more hate for the XIII series than love. If you've ever gone to GameFaqs you would know that.

[QUOTE="happy_dude64"]

[QUOTE="DaRq_MiNoS"]

Just be thankful for what you had. I mean there's been a gazillion FF games. Eventually things are going to go downhill, and they're going to run out of good ideas. Be thankful for the great games the series produced, but it's unrealistic to expect them to make 100 5-star FF games.

soundcellx

Win!

TC...well not so much seeing the majority on this thread is against him. Wait a moment! Then that means majority rule is true! WE ARE RIGHT ABOUT THE GAMES BEING ALRIGHT OR BETTER THAN WHAT TC GIVES THEM CREDIT FOR! HUZZAH!

1/3 of the people who bought FFXIII bought FFXIII-2.  

Also, much more hate for the XIII series than love. If you've ever gone to GameFaqs you would know that.

Nope, never been on gamefaqs for your information and don't plan to. Majority rule so you lose regardless on this thread seeing most of it has hating on your dumb comments. =] good day brotha

[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]

I asked for it. Bought the first 2 and will buy the next one. Long Live Lightning!

soundcellx

omg wow... there is nothing wrong with DMC... so dante looks different, it doesnt matter. the gameplay is almost identical. stop being such a whinerGeminon

I thought FFXIII-2 was a minor improvement over FFXIII but not enough to get me to play another sequel. I didn't find either game to be very fun.

[QUOTE="soundcellx"]
^that's funny to me though.

 

lack of world map

lack of exploration

lack of interactive townz

lack of customization

 

^all those are right up there for faults in FFXIII, as much as the abysmal combat system in which you only control one character and mash X and R1. Even when you input the actions manually, there's only like several to choose from, unlike all the other Final Fantasies, where there are dozens of different attacks and magics to choose from. Also, in FFXIII you don't control all the party members.  

Senor_Kami

I thought the spells were fine. You can debuff and buff as you please. Auto battle is fine to me as well. JRPG battles are easy for me. Equip something that lets me see what the elemental affinity is, then I attack with that. If the enemy is in a group, you do area of effect. There's basically no times where you'd not want to do that because it just makes sense. Maybe in realtime this stuff is harder (it's not as real-time in JRPG usually just means really crap button mashy combat that is uber **** compared to games that actually don't want to have some of the worst action combat that's beneath NES beat em ups ie Tales of Vesperia) but in a turn based games it's not difficult and it doesn't add to the fun. It's just tedious, especially if you're someone like me who wants max out characters and will be doing a ton of battles when it's all said and done. You're just digging through menus to find the painfully obvious spell. I liked that XIII just trashed the tedium of it and rather than making the combat about doing the obvious things, it made it about making good paradigms and switching them properly. It's not for everyone, but I loved it. It's like playing a coach on a team full of experts and your goal is to assemble the right players and put them in the right positions and call the right plays for them to execute.

As far as the party, I like having characters in my party that that have storylines and personalities and I also like the options you get from having character that you can develop.

I agree with this, but I find FFXIII-3 to be unnecessary.

I played FFXIII for about 20 or 30 hours, I hate the difficulty spike for bosses, Barthandelus was too long to beat, and Cid I just gave up after being crushed after 35 minutes of battle, not even doing more than half his HP. yes I could have read tactics online, but I really enjoyed the combat system and even used my Paradigm in complex ways on random encounters.

Then I played FFXIII2 and had the same happen, I went until the pterodactyle like boss in the place where you change the weather. I already had my ass kicked by a blue Chocobo, but this boss just wiped my a$$, I was healing and healing and buffing or debuffing when I could but my health went down too fast.

I love to grind, kill all the mobs I see to level up, but in these games "level" means nothing, you unlock bonuses, sometimes a skill which you mostly don't know what it does, but you can grind hours and not get any more powerful, that's a big mistake.

Then of course you play only 70% of the time, the rest being cinematics. It really takes you away from the pleasure of gaming.

By the way 7+ were the good games that started the downward trend. 4 and 6 are the best, so shut the crap up.

happy_dude64

4 was the best :D but most people say its 7 im glad im one of the minority XD

I'm shocked you haven't been banned yet, all you do is troll every thread to take part in and speak utter garbage in each post that no one agrees with (NO ONE)

[QUOTE="happy_dude64"]

By the way 7+ were the good games that started the downward trend. 4 and 6 are the best, so shut the crap up.

DarkBloodPrince

4 was the best :D but most people say its 7 im glad im one of the minority XD

[QUOTE="Senor_Kami"]FFXIII was fine to me. Not interested in XIII-3 though. The best thing about XIII is the combat engine, which is only fun when battles are hard and make you have to get your paradigms right. XIII-2 made all the battles a cake walk and reduced your battle party from 6 to 2. XIII-3 is reducing it from two to one. XIII could be decent for me but each game makes the good parts worse and worse.soundcellx

lack of world map

lack of exploration

lack of interactive townz

lack of customization

^all those are right up there for faults in FFXIII, as much as the abysmal combat system in which you only control one character and mash X and R1. Even when you input the actions manually, there's only like several to choose from, unlike all the other Final Fantasies, where there are dozens of different attacks and magics to choose from. Also, in FFXIII you don't control all the party members.  

Lack of exploration and customization are the only valid points. We both agree that FF13 was a bad game, but gamers have to realize it's not the lack of towns and world map that contributed to its lack of popularity, it's teh cuztomization and linearity. Towns are simply "safe havens" that people need, a need to communicate with NPC or real people and feel safe and free (towns are almost never linear, in contrast to RPG dungeons). Demon souls and dark souls (although real time) are still JRPGs, and I don't think anything complained about THEIR lack of towns - they had fire-places (forget the term) and the Nexus to feel safe and run around freely. FF13 was headed in the right direction in terms of pushing forward the combat (minizing talk time), but the combat system was lackluster (read: boring) and it lacked customization of characters (and their attributes) and exploration, which is key to any good (J)RPG. Just thought I should clear that up, bc what most gamers think the downfalls of FF13 are, they're actually just things they're expecting to have in a game that didn't promise anything of that (they didn't promise having "towns").

[QUOTE="Geminon"]omg wow... there is nothing wrong with DMC... so dante looks different, it doesnt matter. the gameplay is almost identical. stop being such a whinersoundcellx

you are absolutely insane. Enslaved was an -amazing- game. only wannabe trolls and haters think that this DMC is any different from the rest.Geminon

WAIT. You think Enslaved is amazing and you call ME insane? Wow, that's irony at its finest. 

Yeah, DMC is the same as the rest aside from the new DmC. Plus anyone who thinks that DmC is the same as the DMC series is pure insane. Not sure if there is anyone alive stupid enough to believe that DmC is the same as the DMC series, whatsoever. 

only wannabe trolls and haters think that this DMC is any different from the rest.Geminon

Or people with eyes, think it is different from the rest. 

Hater?? Just what makes one a hater? Hating something that sucks? I love lots of things. I'm no hater. I just love things that are good and dislike things that are bad is all. 

 the gameplay is identical. - WRONG 

the only thing they changed was dante, - WRONG

and that isnt even that big of a change. - WRONG

dante was an overblown jackass in DMC 1-3 already. now he is just a bit more of an overblown jackass. - THAT'S BESIDE THE POINT

get over yourself. - NO. WHAT I WILL NOT GET OVER IS DmCGeminon

30fps, clunky slow combat, no lock on, dante is not the only change every other character is different the world is different the dialogue is different the story is different the gameplay is different the game engine is different the frames per second is different.

oh and I'm not going to be playing a game with dialogue that comprises of "**** YOU! **** YOU!", and to top that off a bunch of sexual organ jokes between brothers. So tacky and crude.

[QUOTE="Geminon"]

WAIT. You think Enslaved is amazing and you call ME insane? Wow, that's irony at its finest. 

Yeah, DMC is the same as the rest aside from the new DmC. Plus anyone who thinks that DmC is the same as the DMC series is pure insane. Not sure if there is anyone alive stupid enough to believe that DmC is the same as the DMC series, whatsoever. 

 

[QUOTE="Geminon"]

only wannabe trolls and haters think that this DMC is any different from the rest.soundcellx

Or people with eyes, think it is different from the rest. 

Hater?? Just what makes one a hater? Hating something that sucks? I love lots of things. I'm no hater. I just love things that are good and dislike things that are bad is all. 

 the gameplay is identical. - WRONG 

the only thing they changed was dante, - WRONG

and that isnt even that big of a change. - WRONG

dante was an overblown jackass in DMC 1-3 already. now he is just a bit more of an overblown jackass. - THAT'S BESIDE THE POINT

get over yourself. - NO. WHAT I WILL NOT GET OVER IS DmCGeminon

30fps, clunky slow combat, no lock on, dante is not the only change every other character is different the world is different the dialogue is different the story is different the gameplay is different the game engine is different the frames per second is different.

oh and I'm not going to be playing a game with dialogue that comprises of "**** YOU! **** YOU!", and to top that off a bunch of sexual organ jokes between brothers. So tacky and crude.

Point 1. I think everyone that played Enslaved thought it was a great game. Except maybe those without any taste? What a fun story and great gameplay.

Point 2. Would everybody stop feeding the troll please?

30fps? Nah, not for me. 60fps silky smooth all day in 1200p. "the only thing they changed is dante" - dude, you admitted in this thread you haven't played ANY DMC games.. Why do you even have an opinion on this topic? Just to annoy people? Slow clunky combat? Maybe if you suck at the combat it is slow and clunky, but no... if you are half way decent with it is extremely face paced and silky smooth transitions between the many weapons you have. And about the story, if you have actually played any of the DMC games you would know Dante's personality hasn't really changed.. He was always a dick that tells bad jokes.. That is like... the point.MethodManFTW

Ninja Theory are famous for their clunky combat and the DmC demo has clunky combat in it.

I've already said that I have played the DMC series for a total of like 5 hours, and the demo for DmC.

Anyhow, doesn't matter how much I have played or not. I am sticking up for true DMC fans, against you people who support bad games. Developers should not stab their fans in the back. Capcom are traitors and betrayed DMC fans, just as Squeenix is doing with Final Fantasy.

Point 1. I think everyone that played Enslaved thought it was a great game. Except maybe those without any taste? What a fun story and great gameplay.

Point 2. Would everybody stop feeding the troll please?

DaRq_MiNoS

2. I dunno, I do not want to stop since it's pretty fun to feed you pork rinds and spam.  

[QUOTE="MethodManFTW"]30fps? Nah, not for me. 60fps silky smooth all day in 1200p. "the only thing they changed is dante" - dude, you admitted in this thread you haven't played ANY DMC games.. Why do you even have an opinion on this topic? Just to annoy people? Slow clunky combat? Maybe if you suck at the combat it is slow and clunky, but no... if you are half way decent with it is extremely face paced and silky smooth transitions between the many weapons you have. And about the story, if you have actually played any of the DMC games you would know Dante's personality hasn't really changed.. He was always a dick that tells bad jokes.. That is like... the point.soundcellx

Ninja Theory are famous for their clunky combat and the DmC demo has clunky combat in it.

I've already said that I have played the DMC series for a total of like 5 hours, and the demo for DmC.

Anyhow, doesn't matter how much I have played or not. I am sticking up for true DMC fans, against you people who support bad games. Developers should not stab their fans in the back. Capcom are traitors and betrayed DMC fans, just as Squeenix is doing with Final Fantasy.

[QUOTE="DaRq_MiNoS"]

Point 1. I think everyone that played Enslaved thought it was a great game. Except maybe those without any taste? What a fun story and great gameplay.

Point 2. Would everybody stop feeding the troll please?

soundcellx

2. I dunno, I do not want to stop since it's pretty fun to feed you pork rinds and spam.

I'm actually a member of Mensa. I don't have brain damage, and I don't feel I'm a simpleton. Thanks.

Wait, wtf, this thread is about Final Fantasy..?MethodManFTW

[QUOTE="MethodManFTW"]Wait, wtf, this thread is about Final Fantasy..?Young_Charter

Final Fantasy XIII ruined the Final Fantasy series

DmC ruined the DMC series

RE5 & RE6 ruined the Resident Evil series

Everything after Splinter Cell Chaos Theory ruined Splinter Cell franchise

So, since a very similar fate met all these video game franchises, they are all on topic. It is about video game developer traitors changing series and stabbing their fans in the back. 

I don't think it's about stabbing their fans in the back. I think they're trying to give the fans what they think the fans want. The industry is really evolving with HD graphics and surround sound and everything else, and I think developers try to find ways to take advantage of this to tell cinematic stories.

I think Ni no Kuni is a shining example of what modern games can be. Of course a cynical guy like you probably hates Ni no Kuni, but I think it's charming and fun (along with just about everybody else). I think that this is a real golden age of gaming, but yes it does involve change. Games like Dark Souls, Portal 2, Skyrim, Red Dead Redemption, Ni no Kuni -- these are true all-time classics. You can argue with me until you're blue in the face, but I think there are truly great games out there, and if you can't see the beauty in them, it's your loss.

I think Ni no Kuni is a shining example of what modern games can be. Of course a cynical guy like you probably hates Ni no Kuni, but I think it's charming and fun (along with just about everybody else).

DaRq_MiNoS

What would ever make you think I hate Ninokuni? It is a throwback to when JRPGs (my favorite subgenre) were great. It goes back to the classic JRPG formula that actually worked. I want to play the game, and will at some point but Xenoblade is my next game though. My only problems with Ninokuni are the awful looking characters (why couldn't they have had cool looking characters like Crono or Fei or Cloud?), and the dynamic combat. I mean the combat is okay but it would have been far better with more traditional turn based ATB combat, same with Xenoblade. If only Xenoblade played like Gears.

Anyhow, didn't I already tell you that I ONLY HATE BAD GAMES?? So then why would you think I hate Nino? 

I think that this is a real golden age of gaming, but yes it does involve change.

DaRq_MiNoS

If you truly are a member of MENSA, then you know that there are huge differences between good and bad change, yes? I always thought that over time things were supposed to get better, not worse, but things usually change for the worse (music, movies, gaming).

I think that this is a real golden age of gaming, but yes it does involve change. Games like Dark Souls, Portal 2, Skyrim, Red Dead Redemption, Ni no Kuni -- these are true all-time classics. You can argue with me until you're blue in the face, but I think there are truly great games out there, and if you can't see the beauty in them, it's your loss.

DaRq_MiNoS

 Dark Souls is the best game in the last 6-8 years. Why would I ever argue against the best goddamned game in an extremely long time?

[QUOTE="Young_Charter"][QUOTE="MethodManFTW"]Wait, wtf, this thread is about Final Fantasy..?soundcellx

Final Fantasy XIII ruined the Final Fantasy series

DmC ruined the DMC series

RE5 & RE6 ruined the Resident Evil series

Everything after Splinter Cell Chaos Theory ruined Splinter Cell franchise

So, since a very similar fate met all these video game franchises, they are all on topic. It is about video game developer traitors changing series and stabbing their fans in the back. 

I wouldn't necessary say the series got ruined, simply because of the sales. They did sell good enough to warrant another game where developers fantasy to try and bring in "the new player" to the old classic series. Now, the series quality definitely diminished over the years. Personally, I haven't enjoyed any final fantasy past FFX. The same goes for Resident Evil series, after RE4, it became to action oriented to me personally. 

Devil May Cry 1 and 3 were amazing, I did finished #4 but the repeated levels and bosses for Dante half way gameplay were truly lazy development. The only way I could describe Dante would be - Style. I haven't felt that in any way from the the latest iteration. Not to mention, the new Dante for some reason is simply repulsing to me. I just can't stand the "kid". 

I had been gaming since 1990 and I had the chance to enjoy all the fantastic series that have seen so many changes. While we can't stop the time or the new ideas I do have to agree that not every change was positive. I'm a strong believer in the phrase: "If it works, don't mess around with it" - to put it lightly. 

From the financial perspective however, the latest above criticized series did sell enough copies to warrant another game but from my understanding, 20$ is maximum I will be spending. 

I would rather enjoy Ni No Kuni where hard work, love and care for the JRPG series had been followed as a example. 

Sadly however, I don't see it stop here, we can't change the progress, new games will come out and we will find them "not as good" as the older variations - but I do believe new games will arise. Worth spending full price on. Look at Dark Sous and Ni No Kuni.. New generation of gamers will never understand the classics since they didn't grew up with them, technology had moved ahead.

You have a lot of passion for the games my friend, don't be too hard on yourself and others, this only means we need to be more selective on our purchases and let people enjoy whatever they wish to play. 

DmC was a huge floppy bomb though. I think Ninja Theory will be very lucky if they don't end up bankrupt soon. I know they already got their DmC money, but their lack of talent is going to catch up with them. 

 

[QUOTE="Sokol4ever"]

I would rather enjoy Ni No Kuni where hard work, love and care for the JRPG series had been followed as a example.Sokol4ever

Sadly however, I don't see it stop here, we can't change the progress, new games will come out and we will find them "not as good" as the older variations - but I do believe new games will arise. Worth spending full price on. Look at Dark Sous and Ni No Kuni.. New generation of gamers will never understand the classics since they didn't grew up with them, technology had moved ahead.

Sokol4ever

 Well, most of it is retrogression, not progression. However, there are a few exemptions such as Dark Souls and Ninokuni that are among the best games this gen. 

You have a lot of passion for the games my friend, don't be too hard on yourself and others, this only means we need to be more selective on our purchases and let people enjoy whatever they wish to play. 

Sokol4ever

Yeah but when other people ruin what I love, then why should I just sit back idly and let them enjoy something while mocking me that it's ruined?

My Fantasy is to play a Final Fantasy game someday. A new one that is like the classics that is epic in scope and filled with high quality.  

Maybe VS XIII? It has unbelievable talent behind its development. :) Sokol4ever

nor is it ever coming out. Also, I do not trust Squeenix to make a good game. So, if Versus ever comes out, it's most likely going to be horriterribad.

[QUOTE="DaRq_MiNoS"]

I think that this is a real golden age of gaming, but yes it does involve change.

soundcellx

If you truly are a member of MENSA, then you know that there are huge differences between good and bad change, yes? I always thought that over time things were supposed to get better, not worse, but things usually change for the worse (music, movies, gaming).

I love the classics probably more than the next guy.

Music: I'm a classic rock purist, but I can even find good things that are going on now -- Jack White, Radiohead, Beck

Movies: I've got over 1,000 DVDs (from the store or recorded off TCM). I truly love old school movies (Hitchcock, Kurosawa, Fellini, Wilder, Huston, etc), but the Coen brothers, Nolan, Tarantino, and others (hell, Scorsese and Speilberg are still making great flicks too!) -- they give me hope.

Games: I can tell you've been around a while by the games you say you've played... I'm guessing you're around 30. I'm 40 and have been playing since Pong back in the 70's. You're favorite series is FF -- mine was Age of Empires/Age of Kings for the PC. When they came out with Age of Mythology (the 3rd of the series), it ruined it for me. You see, the first two were in 2D, and they worked perfectly. A lot of gameplay sacrifices were made to go 3D with Age of Mythology, and that's when I felt the series went downhill... but I understand why they did it. 3D was the future of gaming.

For every great gaming series that dies, a new one springs up to take its place. When Resident Evil started going downhill, Dead Space took over the survival horror genre. Of course Dead Space is going to @#$@ now too, but I have confidence something else will come along. That's just the way it is. You have to adjust.

I asked for the return of Lightning. Just to ruffle up the traditionlists of Final fantasy. I did not expect Square Enix to respond....

I'm surprised that this installment of Final Fantasy has lasted 3 games. 13, 13 part 2 and 13 - 3. I was hoping that Square Enix would have gotten on to Kingdom Hearts 3 by this point. Well there is a least a Final Fantasy 13 game to go with the PS3 phat, Slim and SuperSlim consoles.

I completely agree. They took everything that made the series great and drove it into the ground. All the characters have been mostly unlikeable, and the story hasn't interested me in the slightest. The fact they're making a 3rd game perhaps even before Kingdom Hearts 3 disgusts me. 

I love the classics probably more than the next guy.

Music: I'm a classic rock purist, but I can even find good things that are going on now -- Jack White, Radiohead, Beck

Movies: I've got over 1,000 DVDs (from the store or recorded off TCM). I truly love old school movies (Hitchcock, Kurosawa, Fellini, Wilder, Huston, etc), but the Coen brothers, Nolan, Tarantino, and others (hell, Scorsese and Speilberg are still making great flicks too!) -- they give me hope.

Games: I can tell you've been around a while by the games you say you've played... I'm guessing you're around 30. I'm 40 and have been playing since Pong back in the 70's. You're favorite series is FF -- mine was Age of Empires/Age of Kings for the PC. When they came out with Age of Mythology (the 3rd of the series), it ruined it for me. You see, the first two were in 2D, and they worked perfectly. A lot of gameplay sacrifices were made to go 3D with Age of Mythology, and that's when I felt the series went downhill... but I understand why they did it. 3D was the future of gaming.

For every great gaming series that dies, a new one springs up to take its place. When Resident Evil started going downhill, Dead Space took over the survival horror genre. Of course Dead Space is going to @#$@ now too, but I have confidence something else will come along. That's just the way it is. You have to adjust.

DaRq_MiNoS

I saw Beck in concert last May, and yes, he still rocks. 
Radiohead - have not made a good album since Hail to the Thief

I was talking about movies from this decade compared to a decade ago. For some stupid ass reason, movie companies think we want ass crap like Battleship, GI Joe, Transformers, Avatar and Twilight. WTF??????

Yeah, Dead Space 3 seems like #$%& now. 

Well, instead of adjusting, I am protesting. Protesting across the internet in hopes to influence others to stick up for themselves and the games they love.

I completely agree. They took everything that made the series great and drove it into the ground. All the characters have been mostly unlikeable, and the story hasn't interested me in the slightest. The fact they're making a 3rd game perhaps even before Kingdom Hearts 3 disgusts me. 

daconehead

I don't care for Kingdom Hearts, but yeah, Squeenix does totally disgust me too.