Why the hell are UMDs cheaper than PSN downloads?

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[QUOTE="Bigboss232"]

I like DD because of no tax $20.00 purchase is just that.

Phoenix534

Unless you're using a PSN card...because don't you have to pay tax for those in-store anyway? So I'd think that unless you're using a credit card, you're still paying tax.

You're not paying tax if you use a debit card.

Not True!!

I dont kno about the debit card tho,

But i've bought games and stuff from PSN for my PSP

and it has ALWAYS deducted taxes from my PSN wallet, it even shows me before i confirm the purchase

I never pay taxes at the store where i get the PSN card though

Kinda sucks cause you have to buy an extra card to make your funds meet, or surpass, the total

The reason why DD is bad for consumers is because it removes competition, stores simply wont be motivated to lower theyr prices when they have the monopoly.

[QUOTE="Talldude80"]

[QUOTE="soulpiper"]Ive owned umd's for 3.5 years and not one has broken. This point is invalidlostcali8

yeah i have never had a cartridge, CD, DVD, or UMD ever break on me. and i've been gaming for like 29 years. your psp is more likely to break than a umd.

but anyways..... to the TC: I dont think UMDs of NEW games are actually cheaper than NEW games on the psn. Can you tell me ONE good example of a UMD version of a game cheaper than it is on the PSN? Gran turismo, God of War, Ratchet and Clank, Motorstorm, and all the GTA games seem to be the same price NEW in stores as they sell for on the psn.

edit: of course buying a Used UMD game is WAY cheaper than buying a digital version OR a new copy of the game. Thats just common sense.

Almost every game you've mentioned has gone on sale brand new at a cheaper price already. Motorstorm is 29.99 as it's used counterpart is now 24.99..

Gran Turismo was just on sale at Best Buy, forget what the price was but it was 5 or 6 bucks cheaper on Amazon as well. Ratchet and Clank is 9.99 new, 6.99 used. Resistance is 19.99 now, compared to it's release day price of 39.99 via PSN. Secret Agent Clank is 19.99 now, 39.99 at launch. Driver 76, Gangs of London, Swat Target Liberty, all have dropped to bargain bin prices new, and there still a good 19.99 on the store. (Gangs of London being 22.99 FTW). The Warriors is 14.99 new, it was 19.99 at launch (just picked that one up at Best Buy actually). I could go on and on.

The prices on the US PSN are terrible. Don't kid yourself.

Not to mention buying used, which drastically lowers the price, and nets you a pretty sweet return deal in the process.

But I'm not against digital content by any means, even feel kind of bad for all the GO users. The starting prices on their game selection is just ridiculous. Electronic licensing rights/downloads should never be more expensive than tangible media..

of course games can go on SALE at a store. thats definately one plus of buying games at a REAL store. but the MSRP of NEW RELEASES is all i was talking about. really i only see motorstorm for $29.99 at Gamestop.com (not free shipping fyi). everywhere else i see it, its still at msrp of about $39. and thats what Psn is selling it for. I'm not saying you wont find games cheaper in UMD format. but MOST of the recent releases are the same price. sometimes you'll see a lower price online, but you gotta pay shipping....so that is apples vs oranges. and true OLDER games are way cheaper used OR new on umd. but dont think I am saying the prices on the psn are great. but on the NEW releases it's the same msrp. But yeah it should be the other way around. If i could download Gran tursimo for $29 i wouldnt have think so hard about it, but NO, it's the same if i get it on UMD or digital. and personally I'm not afraid i will lose or break a umd, so i prefer them over a digital version. and yeah some of the older games on the psn are a total ripoff. Gangs of london is a rip. I got it used on UMD for like $10 a few months back. What are they thinking???? but you wont find that in actual stores for less than $19 i bet. I think Sony is just trying to make the prices on the PSN competitive to Target really. but i wouldnt say Target is the best place to buy psp games..... I'll stick to Amazon.com or other used stores near me.

Are they? My UMD's cost like $50...

There profit is much better with downloads then having to produce a product that has to be made, packaged, shipped, then sold.SirAlbus

Which is what makes no sense...you'd think it should be the other way around. But PSN games still (on average) cost more.

The reason why DD is bad for consumers is because it removes competition, stores simply wont be motivated to lower theyr prices when they have the monopoly.

hot114

because sony is adding the price of gas in your parents car to the game's price. duh. Hct13345

The whole reason because the UMD's are chepear is because they wanna get rid of them. The PSN downloads are being promoted so they can eliminate costs.

cojeda9091

[QUOTE="Hct13345"]because sony is adding the price of gas in your parents car to the game's price. duh. jjtiebuckle

The whole reason because the UMD's are chepear is because they wanna get rid of them. The PSN downloads are being promoted so they can eliminate costs.

cojeda9091

A UMD can only hold 1.8gb

[QUOTE="jjtiebuckle"][QUOTE="Hct13345"] From an economical standpoint, this makes sense lol [QUOTE="cojeda9091"]

The whole reason because the UMD's are chepear is because they wanna get rid of them. The PSN downloads are being promoted so they can eliminate costs.

blacknight06

A UMD can only hold 1.8gb

He's saying next gen when UMDs could use mini Blu-Ray discs.

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[QUOTE="jjtiebuckle"] This makes more sense if Sony were to remove the PSP altogether and stick solely with the GO!, which I doubt so rest easy. The only reason I see DD costing the same or more than UMD is an excuse to say "Hey! UMD, case, and manual costs are so cheap, although we want more money therefor the original game price will stay the same." The only upside to PSN digital content is if and only if you and 4 other people have a PSP GO, which you then would buy a new game and split the cost amongst 5 people. In the long run though, UMDs will win especially when a new PSP comes out and UMDs use mini BR discs, which would increase the game size from ~1.5GB to ~14.5GB. Now how many people want to sit there and wait for 14GB to download? Not I, skipper, not I...Phoenix534

A UMD can only hold 1.8gb

He's saying next gen when UMDs could use mini Blu-Ray discs.

Yep, that's what I meant.

If what PSP107 says is true, then I fear for PSP2 because if everything is digital, games size will probably improve double in size such as DVDs, but graphically only modestly. If they reworked the system to feature just 50% of 360 power, or about 70% increase over Xbox (PS2 and PS3 are so opposite its easier to use Xbox as an example) the size of DD could stay below 5GB for a decent game, but how short or limited would the games be? Hopefully we don't see a new PSP when PS4 hits the market..

[QUOTE="Phoenix534"]

[QUOTE="blacknight06"]

A UMD can only hold 1.8gb

He's saying next gen when UMDs could use mini Blu-Ray discs.

Yep, that's what I meant.

If what PSP107 says is true, then I fear for PSP2 because if everything is digital, games size will probably improve double in size such as DVDs, but graphically only modestly. If they reworked the system to feature just 50% of 360 power, or about 70% increase over Xbox (PS2 and PS3 are so opposite its easier to use Xbox as an example) the size of DD could stay below 5GB for a decent game, but how short or limited would the games be? Hopefully we don't see a new PSP when PS4 hits the market..

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[QUOTE="Phoenix534"]

He's saying next gen when UMDs could use mini Blu-Ray discs.

PSP107

Yep, that's what I meant.

If what PSP107 says is true, then I fear for PSP2 because if everything is digital, games size will probably improve double in size such as DVDs, but graphically only modestly. If they reworked the system to feature just 50% of 360 power, or about 70% increase over Xbox (PS2 and PS3 are so opposite its easier to use Xbox as an example) the size of DD could stay below 5GB for a decent game, but how short or limited would the games be? Hopefully we don't see a new PSP when PS4 hits the market..

There is nothing wrong with the screen size of the GO. Don't worry. The PSP2 screen is probabley gonna be bigger.

[QUOTE="PSP107"][QUOTE="jjtiebuckle"]

Yep, that's what I meant.

If what PSP107 says is true, then I fear for PSP2 because if everything is digital, games size will probably improve double in size such as DVDs, but graphically only modestly. If they reworked the system to feature just 50% of 360 power, or about 70% increase over Xbox (PS2 and PS3 are so opposite its easier to use Xbox as an example) the size of DD could stay below 5GB for a decent game, but how short or limited would the games be? Hopefully we don't see a new PSP when PS4 hits the market..

mralspsp

There is nothing wrong with the screen size of the GO. Don't worry. The PSP2 screen is probabley gonna be bigger.

It does feel weird after using the PSP 2000 for a while. People have gotten used to the X000 series 4.3" screen. And that .5" makes a big difference.

[QUOTE="mralspsp"]

[QUOTE="PSP107"] I think an offical PSP2 is due way before PS4 ships. i also hope the screen size wont be small like PSPgo.Phoenix534

There is nothing wrong with the screen size of the GO. Don't worry. The PSP2 screen is probabley gonna be bigger.

It does feel weird after using the PSP 2000 for a while. People have gotten used to the X000 series 4.3" screen. And that .5" makes a big difference.

Yeah, it takes a little time to get used to. I just love the size and it fits nicely in my breast pocket. :)

[QUOTE="Phoenix534"]

[QUOTE="mralspsp"]

There is nothing wrong with the screen size of the GO. Don't worry. The PSP2 screen is probabley gonna be bigger.

mralspsp

It does feel weird after using the PSP 2000 for a while. People have gotten used to the X000 series 4.3" screen. And that .5" makes a big difference.

Yeah, it takes a little time to get used to. I just love the size and it fits nicely in my breast pocket. :)

I prefer the size of the 2000. And it fits perfectly in my front pants pocket. Well, when it isn't in it's case.

umds are the way to go because sony realized the psp go was a mistake so they plan on recouping costs by any means possible why do u think u cant transfer your umds over to the psp go they would lose tons of money so people will have to buy those same games over on downloads(think about)

umds are the way to go because sony realized the psp go was a mistake so they plan on recouping costs by any means possible why do u think u cant transfer your umds over to the psp go they would lose tons of money so people will have to buy those same games over on downloads(think about)

justhat1

Sorry UMD lover, but it's time to move on from this crappy format. Sticking with DD is the best choice.

I hope Sony comes up with a new physical media for the PSP2. I am no longer supporting UMD. RIP.

[QUOTE="SirAlbus"]There profit is much better with downloads then having to produce a product that has to be made, packaged, shipped, then sold.Luigi12901

Which is what makes no sense...you'd think it should be the other way around. But PSN games still (on average) cost more.

Not a business major, are you?

The whole idea is to get the same or more money coming in for lessmanufacturing cost... the plan works perfectly for the producer, not so much for the consumer. And don't kid yourself, they could give a rat's hairy behind about doing you any kind of favors or passing any sort of savings onto you... never, EVER gonna happen. Those extra pennies, quarters, dollars... they add up to pretty fat golden parachutes for higher-ups and share-holders.

One of the reasons they introduced a DL-only piece of hardware is to get you hooked directly into Sony and their cash-shaker instead of being able to shop. You can't buy that DL from Amazon, Best Buy, GameStop, Target, WalMart, blah blah blah... you can only get it from THEM, at the price they set because they have no competition, as the aformentioned retailers do. They all need to watch each other's circulars and ads and match or beat prices. Sony just has to sit back and let your "Dissidea" jones run itself to a lather until you can stand it no more and MUST BUY NOW... and then they have you.

Dope pushers do the same thing.

[QUOTE="Luigi12901"]

[QUOTE="SirAlbus"]There profit is much better with downloads then having to produce a product that has to be made, packaged, shipped, then sold.ston3henge

Which is what makes no sense...you'd think it should be the other way around. But PSN games still (on average) cost more.

Not a business major, are you?

The whole idea is to get the same or more money coming in for lessmanufacturing cost... the plan works perfectly for the producer, not so much for the consumer. And don't kid yourself, they could give a rat's hairy behind about doing you any kind of favors or passing any sort of savings onto you... never, EVER gonna happen. Those extra pennies, quarters, dollars... they add up to pretty fat golden parachutes for higher-ups and share-holders.

One of the reasons they introduced a DL-only piece of hardware is to get you hooked directly into Sony and their cash-shaker instead of being able to shop. You can't buy that DL from Amazon, Best Buy, GameStop, Target, WalMart, blah blah blah... you can only get it from THEM, at the price they set because they have no competition, as the aformentioned retailers do. They all need to watch each other's circulars and ads and match or beat prices. Sony just has to sit back and let your "Dissidea" jones run itself to a lather until you can stand it no more and MUST BUY NOW... and then they have you.

Dope pushers do the same thing.

Wow...I guess I read the other post wrong. I read (past tense)it a different way than that...I need to get more sleep at nights so I can see these things better. I really do understand business. :?