Yellow Light of Death Solution

I posted this as a reply a minute ago, but I deleted it and made a topic because this thing should probably get on the record and not enough people know about implied warranties.

As far as I know, you can't recover reliably from the yellow light of death. But I found what should be a pretty sweet, although drawn out, annoying and possibly (but in the end most likely not) costly solution. This has to do with Launch consoles (I've got a 20 month old 60GB one) being out of the express warranty, but still being covered by most states/provinces implied warranty.

I'm suing Sony under the New Brunswick (I'm Canadian) consumer product warranty and liability act, and I'm just about positive that I'll win (although I'm willing to bet Sony will settle soon after getting served, considering how much more their legal/travel fees will be). I'm pretty positive I'll win because A)I happen to have a lawyer in my family that is willing to respresent me, and has experience in this kind of thing and B) I have experience interpreting these acts myself because of school.

Check out paragraph 4 of the PS3 warranty (www.us.playstation.com/support/warranties/ps3): SOME STATES OR PROVINCES DO NOT ALLOW LIMITATION ON HOW LONG AN IMPLIED WARRANTY LASTS AND SOME STATES DO NOT ALLOW THE EXCLUSION OR LIMITATIONS OF CONSEQUENTIAL OR INCIDENTAL DAMAGES, SO THE LIMITATIONS OR EXCLUSIONS MAY NOT APPLY TO YOU.

The act dealing with this in my province (www.canlii.org/nb/laws/sta/c-18.1/20080715/whole.html), which is similar to other canadian provinces and probably similar to the acts in the US has Sony by the balls in a couple of places, but most specifically in section 12(1-2):

So you're going to do all that to save a 150 dollars?420Token420

Well actually $115:P

[QUOTE="420Token420"]So you're going to do all that to save a 150 dollars?TheSonOfUgly

Well actually $115:P

:lol: True .. it isn't practical for people, since Lawyer Fees would exceed that within the first five minutes of talking .. :)

Wussup with that YLOD.. its getting more popular these days i think sony should do something about it >_

Wussup with that YLOD.. its getting more popular these days i think sony should do something about it >_fatboy_1990

What can they do? It's an electronic .. they break ..

So basically you're saying the Sony warranty dont meet other console warranties and your own state's warranty? Sinceng it's well maintaned your states warranty is 10yrs? or at least 20 months or 3 years based on the 360? Im just trying to understand. Yea this isnt practical for anyone unless you had a lawyer in the fam willing to do it for free.onthalookout

I Agree :D

Again I'm not a troll, I've been a gamespot member for a long time, I just don't bother posting in forums unless I have something to say.

And yeah its a hassle, but one year warranties are ridiculous and most people have other options they don't realise. Corporations, not just Sony but pretty well all of them that deal with consumers, get away with way too much.

And you don't need a lawyer to take them to small claims court, you just need to look at your legislation and argue a reasonable case.

Yes, I'm just suing for the console. I don't want a refurbished one with only a 90 day warranty, and I'm sure as hell not buying a new one, and I'm not going without a PS3 because its become pretty well my only form of media entertainment outside my computer (Its my blu ray and dvd player, I watch shows streaming on the internet on it and put hundreds of movies on an external hard drive on it, its even the music player for my parties). If I win I'll also have any fees or damages paid for, but it unortunately won't cover the mental anguish of my buddies making fun of me for missing the fall game launch that I've been waiting for since MGS4 came out.

So basically you're saying the Sony warranty dont meet other console warranties and your own state's warranty? Sinceng it's well maintaned your states warranty is 10yrs? or at least 20 months or 3 years based on the 360? Im just trying to understand. Yea this isnt practical for anyone unless you had a lawyer in the fam willing to do it for free.onthalookout

I'm saying the one year warranty is unreasonable. My province's requirement for an implied warranty isn't set, it requires that the product function for a reasonable amount of time and sets out criteria for that amount of time. Whether its reasonable is based on my expectations, the sellers expectations (which are influenced by how long prior consoles have lasted, how durable they say the PS3 is, etc.), and any other relevant factors, such as the three year extension to the xbox warranty for a similar hardware failure.

what a waste of timedjfu

Its worth it because I'm sick of companies screwing with people with one year warranties that don't fully inform consumers of their rights.

[QUOTE="TheSonOfUgly"]

[QUOTE="420Token420"]So you're going to do all that to save a 150 dollars?420Token420

Well actually $115:P

:lol: True .. it isn't practical for people, since Lawyer Fees would exceed that within the first five minutes of talking .. :)

[QUOTE="onthalookout"]So basically you're saying the Sony warranty dont meet other console warranties and your own state's warranty? Sinceng it's well maintaned your states warranty is 10yrs? or at least 20 months or 3 years based on the 360? Im just trying to understand. Yea this isnt practical for anyone unless you had a lawyer in the fam willing to do it for free.tommykaaaaa

I'm saying the one year warranty is unreasonable. My province's requirement for an implied warranty isn't set, it requires that the product function for a reasonable amount of time and sets out criteria for that amount of time. Whether its reasonable is based on my expectations, the sellers expectations (which are influenced by how long prior consoles have lasted, how durable they say the PS3 is, etc.), and any other relevant factors, such as the three year extension to the xbox warranty for a similar hardware failure.

That would be like me taking in my car to Chevrolet, Cadillac or Ford and saying fix my car for free after the warranty implied because it doesn't meet my own standard warranty opinion. Im not bashing you, just saying you knew the warranty when you bought it, so I dont see how you case will hold up in any type of court and I dont see Sony just giving you a free system because they dont want to show up in court. Because then 1000's maybe millions could do the same thing you did. It's just like my brother in laws pet shop, a lady came in and said "can you please just give me my money back this one time" He said "absolutely wished I could but if I do it for you I got to do it for everyone else." Dont get me wrong I'm all for you getting a ps3, and I hope mine dont die and agree they shouldn't just "die", but at the same time I was made clear the factory warranty at purchase.

[QUOTE="TheSonOfUgly"]

[QUOTE="420Token420"]So you're going to do all that to save a 150 dollars?420Token420

Well actually $115:P

:lol: True .. it isn't practical for people, since Lawyer Fees would exceed that within the first five minutes of talking .. :)

[QUOTE="tommykaaaaa"]

onthalookout

That would be like me taking in my car to Chevrolet, Cadillac or Ford and saying fix my car for free after the warranty implied because it doesn't meet my own standard warranty opinion. Im not bashing you, just saying you knew the warranty when you bought it, so I dont see how you case will hold up in any type of court and I dont see Sony just giving you a free system because they dont want to show up in court. Because then 1000's maybe millions could do the same thing you did. It's just like my brother in laws pet shop, a lady came in and said "can you please just give me my money back this one time" He said "absolutely wished I could but if I do it for you I got to do it for everyone else." Dont get me wrong I'm all for you getting a ps3, and I hope mine dont die and agree they shouldn't just "die", but at the same time I was made clear the factory warranty at purchase.

Its not quite the same thing. It's not about what the sony warranty implies, an implied warranty is something different. It's a warranty that my province (and most, if not all Canadian provinces) requires over and above the express warranty companies give. That is what I'm suing under. So it isn't just what I think the warranty should be, its about what my provinces legislation requires that Sony gives as a warranty. The 1-year limitation on time is not binding in my province, the requirement instead is that it works for a reasonable amount of time. And it isn't going to be hard for me to argue that 1 year is unreasonable short, my lawyer says we have that part pretty well nailed. Plus this whole problem is a factory defect, I wouldn't be fighting them if it was something that I caused.

And you're right, thousands of other people could do this. I'm hoping other people do decide to, or at least get the chance to. That's why I think Sony will want to settle, and that's fine. Because if they lose this in court its about way mroe then my PS3. It will actually put a minimum length on warranties for gaming consoles and Sony will have to replace every single one of the PS3s with this problem.So on top of the legal fees (which for an American Corporate lawyer could be anywhere from $500 an hour to well over a thousand) and the travel cost to fly someone out here, they'll have to deal with tons of bad press, and acknowledge this is a problem, and that's if I lose. If I win they'll lose lots of money being forced to extend their warranties. If I settle, it all just gets swept under the carpet.

hey after its all said and done you should post your result on here so we know what happens id like to know

[QUOTE="onthalookout"][QUOTE="tommykaaaaa"]

tommykaaaaa

That would be like me taking in my car to Chevrolet, Cadillac or Ford and saying fix my car for free after the warranty implied because it doesn't meet my own standard warranty opinion. Im not bashing you, just saying you knew the warranty when you bought it, so I dont see how you case will hold up in any type of court and I dont see Sony just giving you a free system because they dont want to show up in court. Because then 1000's maybe millions could do the same thing you did. It's just like my brother in laws pet shop, a lady came in and said "can you please just give me my money back this one time" He said "absolutely wished I could but if I do it for you I got to do it for everyone else." Dont get me wrong I'm all for you getting a ps3, and I hope mine dont die and agree they shouldn't just "die", but at the same time I was made clear the factory warranty at purchase.

Its not quite the same thing. It's not about what the sony warranty implies, an implied warranty is something different. It's a warranty that my province (and most, if not all Canadian provinces) requires over and above the express warranty companies give. That is what I'm suing under. So it isn't just what I think the warranty should be, its about what my provinces legislation requires that Sony gives as a warranty. The 1-year limitation on time is not binding in my province, the requirement instead is that it works for a reasonable amount of time. And it isn't going to be hard for me to argue that 1 year is unreasonable short, my lawyer says we have that part pretty well nailed. Plus this whole problem is a factory defect, I wouldn't be fighting them if it was something that I caused.

And you're right, thousands of other people could do this. I'm hoping other people do decide to, or at least get the chance to. That's why I think Sony will want to settle, and that's fine. Because if they lose this in court its about way mroe then my PS3. It will actually put a minimum length on warranties for gaming consoles and Sony will have to replace every single one of the PS3s with this problem.So on top of the legal fees (which for an American Corporate lawyer could be anywhere from $500 an hour to well over a thousand) and the travel cost to fly someone out here, they'll have to deal with tons of bad press, and acknowledge this is a problem, and that's if I lose. If I win they'll lose lots of money being forced to extend their warranties. If I settle, it all just gets swept under the carpet.

You honestly have no idea what is going on around you ..you want to sound smart like you're screwing the big wigs over at Sony by sueing them under some Legislation ..

You are so oblivious to the situation .. oh crap my I-Pod died after just over a year .. so I'm going to sue Apple/whoever because their warranty doesn't meet my Province's warranty ..

You sir are misled ..

[QUOTE="tommykaaaaa"][QUOTE="onthalookout"][QUOTE="tommykaaaaa"]

420Token420

That would be like me taking in my car to Chevrolet, Cadillac or Ford and saying fix my car for free after the warranty implied because it doesn't meet my own standard warranty opinion. Im not bashing you, just saying you knew the warranty when you bought it, so I dont see how you case will hold up in any type of court and I dont see Sony just giving you a free system because they dont want to show up in court. Because then 1000's maybe millions could do the same thing you did. It's just like my brother in laws pet shop, a lady came in and said "can you please just give me my money back this one time" He said "absolutely wished I could but if I do it for you I got to do it for everyone else." Dont get me wrong I'm all for you getting a ps3, and I hope mine dont die and agree they shouldn't just "die", but at the same time I was made clear the factory warranty at purchase.

Its not quite the same thing. It's not about what the sony warranty implies, an implied warranty is something different. It's a warranty that my province (and most, if not all Canadian provinces) requires over and above the express warranty companies give. That is what I'm suing under. So it isn't just what I think the warranty should be, its about what my provinces legislation requires that Sony gives as a warranty. The 1-year limitation on time is not binding in my province, the requirement instead is that it works for a reasonable amount of time. And it isn't going to be hard for me to argue that 1 year is unreasonable short, my lawyer says we have that part pretty well nailed. Plus this whole problem is a factory defect, I wouldn't be fighting them if it was something that I caused.

And you're right, thousands of other people could do this. I'm hoping other people do decide to, or at least get the chance to. That's why I think Sony will want to settle, and that's fine. Because if they lose this in court its about way mroe then my PS3. It will actually put a minimum length on warranties for gaming consoles and Sony will have to replace every single one of the PS3s with this problem.So on top of the legal fees (which for an American Corporate lawyer could be anywhere from $500 an hour to well over a thousand) and the travel cost to fly someone out here, they'll have to deal with tons of bad press, and acknowledge this is a problem, and that's if I lose. If I win they'll lose lots of money being forced to extend their warranties. If I settle, it all just gets swept under the carpet.

You honestly have no idea what is going on around you ..you want to sound smart like you're screwing the big wigs over at Sony by sueing them under some Legislation ..

You are so oblivious to the situation .. oh crap my I-Pod died after just over a year .. so I'm going to sue Apple/whoever because their warranty doesn't meet my Province's warranty ..

You sir are misled ..

I posted this as a reply a minute ago, but I deleted it and made a topic because this thing should probably get on the record and not enough people know about implied warranties.

As far as I know, you can't recover reliably from the yellow light of death. But I found what should be a pretty sweet, although drawn out, annoying and possibly (but in the end most likely not) costly solution. This has to do with Launch consoles (I've got a 20 month old 60GB one) being out of the express warranty, but still being covered by most states/provinces implied warranty.

I'm suing Sony under the New Brunswick (I'm Canadian) consumer product warranty and liability act, and I'm just about positive that I'll win (although I'm willing to bet Sony will settle soon after getting served, considering how much more their legal/travel fees will be). I'm pretty positive I'll win because A)I happen to have a lawyer in my family that is willing to respresent me, and has experience in this kind of thing and B) I have experience interpreting these acts myself because of school.

Check out paragraph 4 of the PS3 warranty (www.us.playstation.com/support/warranties/ps3): SOME STATES OR PROVINCES DO NOT ALLOW LIMITATION ON HOW LONG AN IMPLIED WARRANTY LASTS AND SOME STATES DO NOT ALLOW THE EXCLUSION OR LIMITATIONS OF CONSEQUENTIAL OR INCIDENTAL DAMAGES, SO THE LIMITATIONS OR EXCLUSIONS MAY NOT APPLY TO YOU.

The act dealing with this in my province (www.canlii.org/nb/laws/sta/c-18.1/20080715/whole.html), which is similar to other canadian provinces and probably similar to the acts in the US has Sony by the balls in a couple of places, but most specifically in section 12(1-2):

12(1)In every contract for the sale or supply of a consumer product there is an implied warranty given by the seller to the buyer that the product and any components thereof will be durable for a reasonable period of time. 12(2)In determining a reasonable period of time for the purposes of subsection(1), regard shall be had to all relevant circumstances, including the nature of the product, whether it was new or used, its use as contemplated by the seller and buyer at the time of the contract, its actual use and whether it was properly maintained.

Considering the ten year lifetime of every other gaming console I've ever own, the industry standard already set up by Xbox with its extended 3 year warranty for the very similar red ring of death, and the obvious expectation both consumers and Sony would have that consoles would last more than 20 months (mine was launch too), this is a fairly open and shut case.

Anyone that has had the yellow light of death can look into their own legislation, go to the courthouse, pay 35 bucks (that's what it is in NB), fill out a form and serve it to any agent of the SCEA.Its better than a **** $150 refurbished one, or a $400 new one. For the people that still don't believe in the yellow light of death, I'll copy and post the legal documentation as I get it.

tommykaaaaa

dude you realise all you have to is take out your HDD and put it back it and it'll reformat it.

EDIT: does the warranty stay for Ontario too? because the underpiece on the side of my PSTriple falls a bit off sometimes.

TC you shouldnt bother.You are not gonna win anything.And btw do keep in mind that if you lose Sony can inturn make a case on you for wasting their time.

And about the Infamous Yellow Light of Death.

Firstly Ps3s failure rate is only i think .6% or so.That means of over 100000 PS3 owners 1 can be the unlucky dude.

Secondly most of these Yellow lights of death and also the Read ring of death are caused by the owner himself.Read these few points to prevent YLOD/RROD.

1)Strictly PREVENT FROM OVER-HEATING.

2)Dont play the PS3 for prolonged hours(normally not more than 5-6 hours mainly depends on the room temperature).Your main aim should be to keep the PS3 as cool as possible.If you have noticed there are three safe fan stages in PS3.The first is completely noiseless,2nd is a very minute sort of sound and in the 3rd stage you can distinctively make out the fan voice/noise.If it goes above the 3rd stage shut it down and give it a rest for a while(its not a PC).

3)Dont place the ps3 inside cabinets/entertainment box...etc..etc(ANYSORT EVEN ventilated ones are harmful),dont place it on rugs/carpets..etc..

4)Leave an empty space of ATLEAST TWO feet from where the HOT air comes out of the PS3.And ATLEAST ONE feet from where the cold air goes in.

5)By a small fan or something keep it around 4-5 feet away from PS3 and face it towards the PS3.THIS HELPS ALOT ! My PS3 never went into 3rd stage fan noise after i did this trick :)

6)DO NOT shake the PS3 vulgurly.Do not try to pick it up or change its position when its turned on.This will cause the displacement of HDD(Which inturn results in the YLOD).Also this literaly ***** up the inside of your PS.You should have some care for the sensitivity of HDDs.

Enjoy and have fun.

[QUOTE="420Token420"][QUOTE="TheSonOfUgly"]

[QUOTE="420Token420"]So you're going to do all that to save a 150 dollars?mezzo20

Well actually $115:P

:lol: True .. it isn't practical for people, since Lawyer Fees would exceed that within the first five minutes of talking .. :)

My father doesnt suck blood nor is a savage, I swear it:(.

Umm, why don't you just call the Sony helpline, tell them your problem, and get a replacement?

My warrenty ran out months ago. Last week, my PS3 broke randomly, i rang them up, and i got a replacement.

Also, this is what a warrenty's is for! Once it runs out, you can't just demand a replacement whatever without one unless your really lucky!

Just get over yourself and buy a new PS3, it's gonna be a hell of alot cheeper than paying for a lawyer!

Umm, why don't you just call the Sony helpline, tell them your problem, and get a replacement?

My warrenty ran out months ago. Last week, my PS3 broke randomly, i rang them up, and i got a replacement.

Also, this is what a warrenty's is for! Once it runs out, you can't just demand a replacement whatever without one unless your really lucky!

Just get over yourself and buy a new PS3, it's gonna be a hell of alot cheeper than paying for a lawyer!

Agent_305

Or he could just be the warrenty its only $115, i actually bought the warrenty but i dont think i need it.

hey i hate the fact u get a one year warranty.

but lok Sony Lawers are smart they are going to aruge this" hey if he doesnt like the warratny so much then he should of never of bhought the PS3 in the 1st place"

man if you lose you will be crying for year and years man. cuz off the money you wasted. plus. rember Sony is a Japan company. they could argue something saying well in Japan this and this...

rember just cuz they said it in the back of the book does not mean you will win. lawers are very smart very smart when it comes to fool out the other side.

so who ever you family member that is a lawer better be really good on what he is doing.

man i now ur going to lose i have a feeling but if you win tell me ok. i know for a fact u might not get a new PS3 u might get a free repare for you PS3 but thats it..

man dont get you hope way to high.

i think its time for you to call. Handle on the Law LOL

i got a very very easy fix for that

*drum role*

extend Ur warranty LOL jk

if it breaks just call Sony and ask if they can fix it.same thing happened to my friend....well not suing Sony but his ps3 broke (played it way too long 8-10 hours a day...i no its sad) and he just got it fixed for free.my mate was there wen he got it fixed, he was like wtf, a van came with this is living and i think play-beyond on it.they took his ps3 in the van 10Min's later his ps3 working.only thing that was bad about it was he lost everything games saves etc profile etc.

YOU DON'T NEED TO SUE SONY, THATS JUST OVER REACTING!!!

all the time u spend to send your PS3 will be $115. and about 5 weeks

so your saying suing and spendin gover $115 and waiting for the court date that will take weeks and all will beat teh $115 repare price.

gosh man look just send in you PS3 for $115 wait for 5 weeks and u get a working PS3 again. in the same time u do all that suing u could of just send your PS3 in

and what if you dont win you will have to pay back all you debt that you spend suing and you wont get back the time u wasted.

[QUOTE="tommykaaaaa"][QUOTE="onthalookout"][QUOTE="tommykaaaaa"]

420Token420

You honestly have no idea what is going on around you ..you want to sound smart like you're screwing the big wigs over at Sony by sueing them under some Legislation ..

You are so oblivious to the situation .. oh crap my I-Pod died after just over a year .. so I'm going to sue Apple/whoever because their warranty doesn't meet my Province's warranty ..

You sir are misled ..

I'm not trying to sound smart man. I've researched the crap out of this and I got a lawyer. My provinces warranty trumps sony's, that's why I'm taking them to court and that's why I'll probably win.

I'm thinking you will only get a settlement, if that. Getting Sony to replace the PS3's and extend warrenties would require a classaction lawsuit with with anywhere's from 10's to thousands of people.bradly_2795

TC you shouldnt bother.You are not gonna win anything.And btw do keep in mind that if you lose Sony can inturn make a case on you for wasting their time.

And about the Infamous Yellow Light of Death.

Firstly Ps3s failure rate is only i think .6% or so.That means of over 100000 PS3 owners 1 can be the unlucky dude.

Secondly most of these Yellow lights of death and also the Read ring of death are caused by the owner himself.Read these few points to prevent YLOD/RROD.

1)Strictly PREVENT FROM OVER-HEATING.

2)Dont play the PS3 for prolonged hours(normally not more than 5-6 hours mainly depends on the room temperature).Your main aim should be to keep the PS3 as cool as possible.If you have noticed there are three safe fan stages in PS3.The first is completely noiseless,2nd is a very minute sort of sound and in the 3rd stage you can distinctively make out the fan voice/noise.If it goes above the 3rd stage shut it down and give it a rest for a while(its not a PC).

3)Dont place the ps3 inside cabinets/entertainment box...etc..etc(ANYSORT EVEN ventilated ones are harmful),dont place it on rugs/carpets..etc..

4)Leave an empty space of ATLEAST TWO feet from where the HOT air comes out of the PS3.And ATLEAST ONE feet from where the cold air goes in.

5)By a small fan or something keep it around 4-5 feet away from PS3 and face it towards the PS3.THIS HELPS ALOT ! My PS3 never went into 3rd stage fan noise after i did this trick :)

6)DO NOT shake the PS3 vulgurly.Do not try to pick it up or change its position when its turned on.This will cause the displacement of HDD(Which inturn results in the YLOD).Also this literaly ***** up the inside of your PS.You should have some care for the sensitivity of HDDs.

Enjoy and have fun.

lesner87

I always took care of my PS3 in all of those ways, except for buying a fan. It made no difference, and it was only on for about fifteen minutes when it died. And to everyone else, read my whole post before you bother criticising it. I'm not wasting money on a lawyer because my lawyer isn't charging me anything, she's in my family and is willing to do it as a favour and because she's sick of these warranties too. This whole thing should take between one and two months (small claims court works fast in NB) and will only cost me $50 to file the papers. And I'm not some dumb kid, I'm 21 and I'm about to graduate with a human rights/journalism major, so I know how legislation works.

And again, this isn't just about the $150, its about the principal of the thing. Also, it doesn't matter if they have a high powered team of lawyers if they're legal argument is flawed. I have several simple things that I have to prove (that this issue would normally be covered by warranties (which it is), that any reasonable person would expect the console to last more than 20 months, etc. etc.) which I can prove. And also, it would not require a class action suit for Sony to have to replace everyone elses console with the problem. If they settle with me than that's fine and they won't have to do anything extra, but if they lose then there is a precedent set in court and they will have to honour it.

As to the warranty situation in Ontario, I'm not sure. Look up your act regarding warranties at www.canlii.com.

I did phone the sony helpline, I talked to four seperate people and they all said my only option was the $150 refurbished model, so I told them I'd see them in court.

And thanks for the support, anyone who's wished me luck.

[QUOTE="bradly_2795"]I'm thinking you will only get a settlement, if that. Getting Sony to replace the PS3's and extend warrenties would require a classaction lawsuit with with anywhere's from 10's to thousands of people.tommykaaaaa

TC you shouldnt bother.You are not gonna win anything.And btw do keep in mind that if you lose Sony can inturn make a case on you for wasting their time.

And about the Infamous Yellow Light of Death.

Firstly Ps3s failure rate is only i think .6% or so.That means of over 100000 PS3 owners 1 can be the unlucky dude.

Secondly most of these Yellow lights of death and also the Read ring of death are caused by the owner himself.Read these few points to prevent YLOD/RROD.

1)Strictly PREVENT FROM OVER-HEATING.

2)Dont play the PS3 for prolonged hours(normally not more than 5-6 hours mainly depends on the room temperature).Your main aim should be to keep the PS3 as cool as possible.If you have noticed there are three safe fan stages in PS3.The first is completely noiseless,2nd is a very minute sort of sound and in the 3rd stage you can distinctively make out the fan voice/noise.If it goes above the 3rd stage shut it down and give it a rest for a while(its not a PC).

3)Dont place the ps3 inside cabinets/entertainment box...etc..etc(ANYSORT EVEN ventilated ones are harmful),dont place it on rugs/carpets..etc..

4)Leave an empty space of ATLEAST TWO feet from where the HOT air comes out of the PS3.And ATLEAST ONE feet from where the cold air goes in.

5)By a small fan or something keep it around 4-5 feet away from PS3 and face it towards the PS3.THIS HELPS ALOT ! My PS3 never went into 3rd stage fan noise after i did this trick :)

6)DO NOT shake the PS3 vulgurly.Do not try to pick it up or change its position when its turned on.This will cause the displacement of HDD(Which inturn results in the YLOD).Also this literaly ***** up the inside of your PS.You should have some care for the sensitivity of HDDs.

Enjoy and have fun.

lesner87

I always took care of my PS3 in all of those ways, except for buying a fan. It made no difference, and it was only on for about fifteen minutes when it died. And to everyone else, read my whole post before you bother criticising it. I'm not wasting money on a lawyer because my lawyer isn't charging me anything, she's in my family and is willing to do it as a favour and because she's sick of these warranties too. This whole thing should take between one and two months (small claims court works fast in NB) and will only cost me $50 to file the papers. And I'm not some dumb kid, I'm 21 and I'm about to graduate with a human rights/journalism major, so I know how legislation works.

And again, this isn't just about the $150, its about the principal of the thing. Also, it doesn't matter if they have a high powered team of lawyers if they're legal argument is flawed. I have several simple things that I have to prove (that this issue would normally be covered by warranties (which it is), that any reasonable person would expect the console to last more than 20 months, etc. etc.) which I can prove. And also, it would not require a class action suit for Sony to have to replace everyone elses console with the problem. If they settle with me than that's fine and they won't have to do anything extra, but if they lose then there is a precedent set in court and they will have to honour it.

As to the warranty situation in Ontario, I'm not sure. Look up your act regarding warranties at www.canlii.com.

I did phone the sony helpline, I talked to four seperate people and they all said my only option was the $150 refurbished model, so I told them I'd see them in court.

And thanks for the support, anyone who's wished me luck.

Good luck yo.

just read that warranty line for line cuz they can find a loophole too how long will this take cu id want to know what happensjojothekid

Its not a loophole, it's New Brunswick law. And it should take about two months, maybe a bit more, maybe less.

You're right about the Xbox, they had to do it because of bad press (although I have no idea if anyone filed papers against them). The difference is Sony's sweeping its problem under the carpet, so we'll have to see what happens.

[QUOTE="jojothekid"]just read that warranty line for line cuz they can find a loophole too how long will this take cu id want to know what happenstommykaaaaa

Its not a loophole, it's New Brunswick law. And it should take about two months, maybe a bit more, maybe less.

You're right about the Xbox, they had to do it because of bad press (although I have no idea if anyone filed papers against them). The difference is Sony's sweeping its problem under the carpet, so we'll have to see what happens.

Good for you for doing the research, and for trying to spread the word. I think probably this post would be received with a bit more appreciation if you had gone through the process and won before posting, but good luck with your endevour.

Let me get this straight.......You're suing SCEA, because New Brunswick law states that any electronic product sold in their Province would be expected to last 10 years before any failure? There is no connection to say you would win this case by suing SCEA. If anything, you'd be suing the government for a win because of a New Brunswick law passed saying any electronic product sold would have a 10 yr lifespan(AKA Act 12 that you've mentioned). Sony provided the product, but that law wasn't made by Sony, it was made under Parliament, this is why I found your case so unjust.SonyMarksman70

Let me point out what's wrong with your post.
First of, its not any electronic product, it's all consumer products.

Secondly, it doesn't say it has to last for ten years. It says it has to last for a reasonable amount of time. I'm trying to prove that a reasonable amount of time is three years, based on the precedent set up by microsoft with the Xbox warranty. The fact that the consoles I've owned before lasted for ten years just supports my argument.

Thirdly, saying I should sue the government is ridiculous. For one thing, sony can't make laws. What you're saying would be like me getting sideswiped by a guy running a red light, and then having to sue the government for damages instead of him, because it was the government that made the law requiring people to pay for damages resulting from accidents they cause. If I can't sue Sony because its breaking a law my government passed, then no one would be able to sue anyone, ever.

Also, I'm not talking about act 12 , I'm talking about section 12 (among other sections) of the New Brunswick Consumer Product Warranty and Liability act.

And, to top it off, The law was made by NBs provincial legislature, parliament makes federal laws.

Sorry I sound like a jerk saying this, this guy just really pissed me off and had a lot of his information wrong.

Screw sony out of money... yeah...

That's an awful plan.

You go to a lawyer and you'll pay well over $150...

[QUOTE="SonyMarksman70"]Let me get this straight.......You're suing SCEA, because New Brunswick law states that any electronic product sold in their Province would be expected to last 10 years before any failure? There is no connection to say you would win this case by suing SCEA. If anything, you'd be suing the government for a win because of a New Brunswick law passed saying any electronic product sold would have a 10 yr lifespan(AKA Act 12 that you've mentioned). Sony provided the product, but that law wasn't made by Sony, it was made under Parliament, this is why I found your case so unjust.tommykaaaaa

Let me point out what's wrong with your post.
First of, its not any electronic product, it's all consumer products.

Secondly, it doesn't say it has to last for ten years. It says it has to last for a reasonable amount of time. I'm trying to prove that a reasonable amount of time is three years, based on the precedent set up by microsoft with the Xbox warranty. The fact that the consoles I've owned before lasted for ten years just supports my argument.

Thirdly, saying I should sue the government is ridiculous. For one thing, sony can't make laws. What you're saying would be like me getting sideswiped by a guy running a red light, and then having to sue the government for damages instead of him, because it was the government that made the law requiring people to pay for damages resulting from accidents they cause. If I can't sue Sony because its breaking a law my government passed, then no one would be able to sue anyone, ever.

Also, I'm not talking about act 12 , I'm talking about section 12 (among other sections) of the New Brunswick Consumer Product Warranty and Liability act.

And, to top it off, The law was made by NBs provincial legislature, parliament makes federal laws.

Sorry I sound like a jerk saying this, this guy just really pissed me off and had a lot of his information wrong.

Still .. you really have no idea what you're talking about .. it's not practical ..

I really don't how you think you will win this .. in any way.