100 years for now, when people open a history book - how will Trump be remembered?

Depends on what happens in the next 5 years. The winners write the history books.

Look, I hate Trump too, but let's not go and blame him for things like the economy when the entire world economy is in shambles as a result of a certain virus. The economy was roaring prior to this.

Unemployment? See above.

China beating us in different sectors? Well no shit, different countries can lead in different sectors at any given time, and the US is and will be a leader in many sectors even after China's economy surpasses it.

Bigotry widespread? Not that it doesn't exist, but it's not at all nearly as prevalent as the media would like you to believe. I don't see these bigots you speak of roaming the streets anywhere.

Other world leaders laughing at us? Hey, got a lotta enemies, haters gonna hate. If China, Russia, Iran, and North Korea want to laugh at us, well sure go ahead. They got problems we can laugh at too.

Again, I love to hate on Trump for the orange douchebag he is, but you need to put in the time to come up with a better list, for sure. I voted bad btw. At least the dude stands up against China when everyone else is afraid to. Don't totally agree with the way he is going about it, but...

That's a bunch of malarkey. Trump was taking credit for a booming economy, despite inheriting a growing one. He kept bragging about his economic miracle, despite Obama's tenure actually reducing the unemployment rate by numbers Trump could only dream of. So, why isn't he taking credit for the economic collapse as well? It's his economy. Funny how he's kept his mouth shut for the past 2 months.

A joke he will be laughed at and despised even more then he is now teachers will show their students clips of Trump in life like VR and laugh their ass off.

Lol, seems like Sevenizz finally made it to the poll.

Our current textbooks talk about the positive aspects of Nixon along with Watergate and people generally hated Nixon at the time. My guess is Trump will get the same treatment.

Which would be?

Worst president ever. No question. Nonetheless it doesn't say much for the country either.

Trump leaves the legacy he does. He’s lived his entire life seeking legitimacy from others, from the N.Y. elite, to be viewed as serious and has been viewed instead as nothing but a joke. Even having reached the height of achievement in life, the US presidency, he’s still viewed a joke. Because he acts like one. He’s a laughingstock in the world of adults, admired and worshipped in the world of children.

He’ll be remembered as a joke in the annals of history and an embarrassment in the nation’s books. Footage and his tweets will be a testimony to that.

Ask again a few years after he leaves office instead of relying on current anger amplified by blue checkmarks on social media. People said great things about FDR and he literally threw US citizens in camps during World War 2 because of their Japanese heritage, for example.

Yeah, FDR has a really mixed reputation. On the positive side he helped save workers from the depths of the great depression, and on the negative side he persecuted racial minorities. Do those positives sound like Trump to this point? How about those negatives?

@mattbbpl: well, they say that Nixon opened relations with China, regardless of their overall success. Maybe they'll say that Trump did the same for North Korea?

Positives for some may be negatives for others. One positive I would hope people would consider bipartisan would be the First Step Act, and prior to the virus, the economy was doing great. There are plenty of negatives I don't need to tell you about, but for now, I can expect those negatives to be the main focus of this thread.

Great, you've got one piece of bipartisan legislation. Fantastic! Best president ever!

I'm ignoring the "prior to the virus, the economy was doing great" because it actually followed the exact same trend as "the slowest recovery ever" which historians will see through faster than you can say, "bullshit."

I tried to give you a serious answer on the fly and you respond with sarcasm. That tells me what you probably selected on the poll.

That's not sarcasm, man. That's legit.

You've identified one bona fide piece of positive bipartisan legislation, and one item of bullshit.

The outlook is very very poor. He will likely be remembered as one of the worst presidents in history. One of the lowest average term approvals and highest average term disapproval in history. Maybe THE most. One of the worst Economies in history. The most polarizing and dividing. One of the most corrupt.

That's not how it works. That's not how it ever works. It can be "roaring" but if it fucks up on his watch he's going to get the historical "review bombing". That's how it's always been and always will be. Some of this tanking CAN be attributed to his very poor handling of Covid-19 as studies show. He is not completely removed from blame. That's a pipe-dream.

What are you talking about, the unemployment is dog shit at the moment. "It's the economy stupid. Are you better off now than you were a few years ago?" Stats say NO.

Our former allies are laughing at us. Trump has one of the worst global approvals in history as well.

History will rate him poorly on his covid-19 handling alone, the other stuff is just going to dig it that much deeper.

You're the one that replied with "Fantastic! Best president ever!" in response to me mentioning one of the things that happened during his presidency. I never made the argument that Trump is the best president ever, period. I just said that trying to declare him the worst president ever as the TC is implying is extremely premature in the middle of a pandemic, a bunch of celebrities demanding that the White House returns to Democratic control, etc.

100,000 lives are social media checkmarks?

Yikes.

Historians are going to be rough as shit on him on the covid-19 handling alone (they use facts). Lets not even get into all the other repugnant bad shit (his climate denial will age poorly, as you know), because honestly that one takes the cake for historical failures.

Your opinion on the subject is noted. Thanks.

President Trump will be GOAT.

By no objective measure…...

OK, there was a little sarcasm in the middle of the main point. The point, which was not sarcasm, is that the good attributed to FDR isn't applicable to him and the negatives attributed to FDR are.

"narcissistic inept doofus, pathological liar"

No shit, the thread OP is literally asking us our opinion - that's literally the subject. Your posts so far have been opinions too. What a weird avenue of attack.

I am, however, basing my opinions based off of facts. Not just tossing out random bullshit. Based off of the data on average term approval/disapproval (it's one of the worst ever), economy (It's in the shitter, history takes note of that), policy polling (people really don't like his far right policy), and disasters, in my opinion he will go down in history as one of the worst. And I have quite a bit of confidence in this opinion. It that has a lot to do with the Covid-19 response which medical experts see as poor. If you don't think that isn't going to go down in the books, then lol.

I mean some historians already agree with me.

Trump only seems to "stand up to China" in ways that hurt the US economically. You'll have to excuse me if I don't give him credit for acting like a moron so that he can look tough on China to his idiotic base of supporters.

As far as the economic depression we're now in, I would have a lot less to say if Trump hadn't lied to the public about it for months while being honest with his donors and the people in his administration about the oncoming damage so that they could sell off their stocks.

As one of the best.

false

@drlostrib: That’s your opinion, but mine is different.

yours seems wrong

What has he done that would make him "one of the best"?

@drlostrib: An ‘opinion’ cannot be wrong, fyi.

Also, there’s plenty he’s done better than most presidents. China, trade, unemployment, immigration, patriotism - many many things. Most presidents have ignored such policies because they’re hard and politically incorrect. But Trump is up to the task and it’s about time.

Don't be silly, of course it can

You just threw out some terms, what has he actually accomplished to warrant being the best?

When Trump took over, the US economy was in recovery and growth, it’s natural that it remained in this path, these are called business cycles. However, despite growth he borrowed and spent money which is why the debt-to-GDP is so high. His spending was also ineffective adding less to GDP than Obama.

Under his watch, farming, agriculture, mining (except oil) and manufacturing declined in terms of contribution to GDP.

Therefore Trump cannot claim success in terms of economic performance. You can check these FACTS here www.bea.gov

Additionally, in terms of the environment he pulled the US out of the Paris Treaty and reversed some of the requirements put into place by Obama.

In terms of Middle East peace, Trump, Kushner, Pompeo and Pence claim Israeli settlements in the West Bank are legal! The Palestinians have pulled out of all talks as a result.

In terms of global power, Trump pulled out of the TPP, this would have partly rivalled China’s Belt & Road initiative. This allowed China to grow its dominance in Asia, Central Asia, Middle East, Africa and Eastern Europe.

In terms of protecting Americans, he truly fucked up on this. His denial of COVID-19 in January and February is the main reason why over 100,000 Americans have died.

Its not just China, Russia and North Korea laughing at Trump, it’s Canada, the entire EU, the UK, Australia and Japan too. Just google local newspapers not a day when Trump isn’t mocked.

I don't think history will be kind to Trump at all.

Trump isn't a leader, he's a bully with power. He has no interest in enacting change in leading by example or collaboration, his idea of "leadership" is to dictate, and if he doesn't get what he wants, he immediately enacts punitive measures. Which isn't an unusual trait for someone who's spent his life in business which often necessitates such hardball approaches to achieving goals, but in the context of political nuance where the dynamics of diplomacy and governance are much more intricate, it relegates him a reactionary simpleton in addressment of multi-faceted and extraordinarily complex issues. That he's a narcissist and egomaniac who believes he's wiser and more competent than everyone else in every subject and so dismisses all other qualified advice only exacerbates this fault.

I am one that believes his isolationist and antagonistic approach will be viewed as ultimately weakening us as a nation, along with our allies in combating global threats. Him pulling out of the WHO (for one recent example), while he may have some grounds in justification, is knee-jerk and myopic when they are currently working towards remedies for a global pandemic, dependent upon our funding. If he held such an issue with them, why was this not done when people weren't dropping dead? There's no foresight or plan, he's a reactionary who takes whatever opportunity that arises to punish others for current political grievances, even if it hurts people he purportedly cares for.

His environmental denialism, the stripping of protections, reputation for ignoring facts, trying to redefine the concept of truth, starting, propagating and encouraging unfounded conspiracy theories, and repudiating science for political grounding isn't going to shine favor on him in retrospect.

This is to say nothing on his divisive personality and strategy of inflaming political lines at every turn through his rhetoric and behavior. He doesn't only not lead, he makes a concerted effort to inflame every situation into a political and ideological firestorm, to drive a wedge between every individual, at times when we need to be coming together. He's an agent of chaos, a divider, and that is an intentional strategy he chooses to abide by, one encouraged by his corrupt mentor, Cohen, and is why all his followers love him.

None of his positives, whatever they are, are enough to overcome these shortcomings. History will be hard on him.

@kadin_kai: Had to stop reading after your first fake news comment - ironically, your first comment. So in 8 years, at Obama’s eleventh hour, the US was in economic recovery?

Right...

Thanks for the comedy. We needed that today!

Worst president of all time and top ten worst leaders ever. Look around you, he is killing America.

@Sevenizz: Just look at the data.

Trump borrowed during growth when he should be saving.

Even when he spent that money the contribution to US GDP was weaker compared to Obama. It means every cent Trump borrowed it contributes less to GDP compared to Obama.

Agriculture, farming, mining (excluding oil) and manufacturing contributed less during Trump’s term than Obama EVERY YEAR!

And yes recovery does take years.

Face it, Trump has literally screwed up on every front. What has he done well?

He will be remembered for:

“You’re Fired!”

The whole point of your initial response to my initial post (which was meant for the TC and not you) was obviously to belittle my opinion and reinforce your desire for Trump to go down as the worst president ever. That's why I said that your opinion is simply noted with no further rebuttal required.

I pretty much give the opinion of some (not all) of the people in this thread that say Trump is going to be looked at as the worst president ever even a hundred years from now the same weight as I give the opinion of hardcore heavy metal fans that say rap music is the worst music ever.

@ad1x2: Of course you will. They spoke the truth about your leader. Anyone that doesn't see the damage he's doing isn't worth giving any respect to their opinion as it's solely based on the R.

I never said Trump will be looked at as the best president ever. I also don't find it surprising that in a forum full of people that strongly lean left, they are prematurely assuming that Trump will go down as the worst president in history before his term is even over.

But whatever makes the posters here happy, I'm not here to change anybody's minds.

The facts are what they are. Nothing premature about them.

Unless he creates another Trail of Tears (like Andrew Jackson) or let the politicians behind the Confederacy get into power, initiating a century of systematic discrimination to everyone but the white race (Andrew Johnson); Trump will not be the worst US president.

He will certainly be laughed about as the least intelligent one though.

It depends how will the US recover after him. Best chance is he will be ridiculed by history and media. Worst case he will be the guy that compromised America's position in the world stage because while everyone was playing chess he was throwing shit at the walls.

My question is does he have the fight in him to continue this for another 4 years? I hope so.

Technically, he is forgettable. I doubt people will be reading about him, Trump has done nothing of note.

They will instead probably read about the great divide in America, between the two extremes of the left and of the right.

I imagine a lot of other things--the media stoking the fire and how irresponsible they were, Russia's involvement, Trump's ties to foreign money and their influence--will come to light and instead they will learn more about the political climate of the early 21st century than Trump himself.

Don't kid yourself, and don't flatter Trump...the world will forget him and move on.

Thankfully the "winner" is a temporary status in the US, maxing out at 8 years. Trump is too busy trying to look like a big man tomorrow to worry about his legacy; guys like him don't care about anything except being more valuable tomorrow than they are today.

I don't know, man, have you been reading about what is going on in the past week?

Trump sounds distressed. Talking about how scared he is and how his big bad secret service will sick the dogs on protestors, quoting segregationists, and worse.

I mean I know his diehard supporters eat that shit up but the casual Trump supporter might be alienated.

Dude is going to implode.

Actually you're probably right.

And truth be told, I think he would prefer being known for his businesses and his showmanship. This presidency...I don't know if he takes it serious enough, I think it's all just a big joke to him.

His grave will mostly likely get yellow from time to time.

Pretty sure he will be forgotten. Perhaps only remembered as the president who came after Obama.

Historians will rank him as one of the worst, but the worst? Nah. There are worse ones.

He might get another 4 years.

"As the worst president" - as of today, why not, but anything can happen over the next 100 years.