Bernie Sanders lawyering up.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/06/22/bernie-sanders-jane-sanders-lawyer-bank-fraud-investigation-burlington-college-215297

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/05/08/report-fbi-investigating-bernie-sanders-wife-jane-sanders-bank-fraud/22075766/

I bet he was involved. What a sellout.

Jane Sanders is accused of doctoring the loan documents in order to expand college grounds.

Sanders herself claimed the college could count on $2.6 million in donations to pay for purchased land, according to a 2010 loan application.

She ultimately raised only $676,000 in donations over the next four years.

People who try and bamboozle individuals into thinking they are quite straight and on the up and up tend to be quite dirty.

I'm sure more will come out on how dirty he is.

Dirty or not I really don't see how people can like that man...he talks and talks and says absolutely nothing...he sounds deranged all the time. All his rants amount to the same cheap formula as those bands who start their concert by shouting "Good night *insert city name here*!"

Kinda like Trump. I don't see how anyone subscribes to either.

@zaryia: Add Hillary in there as well. America really got f*cked on 3 fronts with that choice...

So he's not only a Shill but a crook. Lmao, what did you expect from someone who didn't own his first paycheck untill he was 40?

TBH, if you look at this man, there isn't much to like unless you subscribe to snake oil sales talk. He opened his pie hole and opined on the California healthcare bill and criticized it for not coming to a vote because it was an incomplete bill WITHOUT funding yet he somehow felt it should be voted on and passed into law. He lives in a world most of us would not step foot in.

Sanders is the text book example of do as I say, not as I do.

Involved in what?

What i can see here is possible a nothing with a twist. Sanders could very well have believed that those donations would come in, so it will be insanely hard to prove a fraud case here.

But let´s see i will at least wait until there is more meat on this bone.

Fake news alert. Can't trust the biased media and the corrupt politicians/media whores. Obviously the deep state and the fascist media are trying to take down a man who says what needs to be said in fighting fascist scum.

Am I doing it right? Or does it work with Donald Trump only?

Only works with Trump. Come on man, you're ruining it.

lets see how this plays out before making false claims/fake news that you hypocrite right wing nuts like to blame others for. Did you forget trump fraudulently bilked hundreds of millions of $$$ from paying students with his fake university, got sued and decided to settle. He sexually assaulted tons of women his life, got sued and decided to settle. Trying to paint Bernie as a criminal really doesn't make you right wing nut jobs look any brighter.

@blaznwiipspman1 said:

@n64dd said:

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/06/22/bernie-sanders-jane-sanders-lawyer-bank-fraud-investigation-burlington-college-215297

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/05/08/report-fbi-investigating-bernie-sanders-wife-jane-sanders-bank-fraud/22075766/

I bet he was involved. What a sellout.

Jane Sanders is accused of doctoring the loan documents in order to expand college grounds.

Sanders herself claimed the college could count on $2.6 million in donations to pay for purchased land, according to a 2010 loan application.

She ultimately raised only $676,000 in donations over the next four years.

lets see how this plays out before making false claims/fake news that you hypocrite right wing nuts like to blame others for. Did you forget trump fraudulently bilked hundreds of millions of $$$ from paying students with his fake university, got sued and decided to settle. He sexually assaulted tons of women his life, got sued and decided to settle. Trying to paint Bernie as a criminal really doesn't make you right wing nut jobs look any brighter.

LOL "let's see how it plays out"

I notice how very few of you dem shills apply the same logic to the whole Russia/Trump narrative. Trump is already guilty in your minds, despite zero concrete evidence suggesting so. The whole Comey testimony blew up in your faces and it was glorious.

Bernie is a pushover fraud and socialism is a concept that has failed time and time again. Go check out what's going on in Venezuela right now for a prime example.

It's also well known that the DNC interfered with the democratic primaries to tilt the whole thing in Hillary's favor (and when DNC employee and Bernie supporter Seth Rich blew the whistle to Wikileaks, he suddenly winds up murdered in the middle of the street...hmmm). And what does Bernie do about it? Takes a little kickback money and proceeds to go on the road campaigning for Hillary like the good little lapdog that he is. What a spineless, two-faced douchebag.

@frank_castle said:

@blaznwiipspman1 said:

@n64dd said:

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/06/22/bernie-sanders-jane-sanders-lawyer-bank-fraud-investigation-burlington-college-215297

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/05/08/report-fbi-investigating-bernie-sanders-wife-jane-sanders-bank-fraud/22075766/

I bet he was involved. What a sellout.

Jane Sanders is accused of doctoring the loan documents in order to expand college grounds.

Sanders herself claimed the college could count on $2.6 million in donations to pay for purchased land, according to a 2010 loan application.

She ultimately raised only $676,000 in donations over the next four years.

lets see how this plays out before making false claims/fake news that you hypocrite right wing nuts like to blame others for. Did you forget trump fraudulently bilked hundreds of millions of $$$ from paying students with his fake university, got sued and decided to settle. He sexually assaulted tons of women his life, got sued and decided to settle. Trying to paint Bernie as a criminal really doesn't make you right wing nut jobs look any brighter.

LOL "let's see how it plays out"

I notice how very few of you dem shills apply the same logic to the whole Russia/Trump narrative. Trump is already guilty in your minds, despite zero concrete evidence suggesting so.

Bernie is a pushover fraud and socialism is a concept that has failed time and time again. Go check out what's going on in Venezuela right now for a prime example.

It's also well know that the DNC interfered with the democratic primaries to tilt the whole thing in Hillary's favor. And what does Bernie do about it? Takes a little kickback money and proceeds to go on the road campaigning for Hillary like the good little lapdog that he is. What a spineless, two-faced douchebag.

hmm, the venezuela/socialism gig again? try something new. Maybe they're bad, but i don't see how the capitalist system that USA uses and is responsible for $20 trillion ++ in debt, and chaining future generations to slavery any better. Try blaming obama, when it was Bush who was mainly at fault for the record spendings. DNC is bad, the RNC is worse...they're fake capitalists.

@frank_castle said:

@blaznwiipspman1 said:

@n64dd said:

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/06/22/bernie-sanders-jane-sanders-lawyer-bank-fraud-investigation-burlington-college-215297

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/05/08/report-fbi-investigating-bernie-sanders-wife-jane-sanders-bank-fraud/22075766/

I bet he was involved. What a sellout.

Jane Sanders is accused of doctoring the loan documents in order to expand college grounds.

Sanders herself claimed the college could count on $2.6 million in donations to pay for purchased land, according to a 2010 loan application.

She ultimately raised only $676,000 in donations over the next four years.

lets see how this plays out before making false claims/fake news that you hypocrite right wing nuts like to blame others for. Did you forget trump fraudulently bilked hundreds of millions of $$$ from paying students with his fake university, got sued and decided to settle. He sexually assaulted tons of women his life, got sued and decided to settle. Trying to paint Bernie as a criminal really doesn't make you right wing nut jobs look any brighter.

LOL "let's see how it plays out"

I notice how very few of you dem shills apply the same logic to the whole Russia/Trump narrative. Trump is already guilty in your minds, despite zero concrete evidence suggesting so. The whole Comey testimony blew up in your faces and it was glorious.

Bernie is a pushover fraud and socialism is a concept that has failed time and time again. Go check out what's going on in Venezuela right now for a prime example.

It's also well known that the DNC interfered with the democratic primaries to tilt the whole thing in Hillary's favor (and when DNC employee and Bernie supporter Seth Rich blew the whistle to Wikileaks, he suddenly winds up murdered in the middle of the street...hmmm). And what does Bernie do about it? Takes a little kickback money and proceeds to go on the road campaigning for Hillary like the good little lapdog that he is. What a spineless, two-faced douchebag.

The amount of ignorance and lack of understanding in this one post is outstanding, well done.

@Nick3306 said:

@frank_castle said:

@blaznwiipspman1 said:

@n64dd said:

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/06/22/bernie-sanders-jane-sanders-lawyer-bank-fraud-investigation-burlington-college-215297

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/05/08/report-fbi-investigating-bernie-sanders-wife-jane-sanders-bank-fraud/22075766/

I bet he was involved. What a sellout.

Jane Sanders is accused of doctoring the loan documents in order to expand college grounds.

Sanders herself claimed the college could count on $2.6 million in donations to pay for purchased land, according to a 2010 loan application.

She ultimately raised only $676,000 in donations over the next four years.

lets see how this plays out before making false claims/fake news that you hypocrite right wing nuts like to blame others for. Did you forget trump fraudulently bilked hundreds of millions of $$$ from paying students with his fake university, got sued and decided to settle. He sexually assaulted tons of women his life, got sued and decided to settle. Trying to paint Bernie as a criminal really doesn't make you right wing nut jobs look any brighter.

LOL "let's see how it plays out"

I notice how very few of you dem shills apply the same logic to the whole Russia/Trump narrative. Trump is already guilty in your minds, despite zero concrete evidence suggesting so. The whole Comey testimony blew up in your faces and it was glorious.

Bernie is a pushover fraud and socialism is a concept that has failed time and time again. Go check out what's going on in Venezuela right now for a prime example.

It's also well known that the DNC interfered with the democratic primaries to tilt the whole thing in Hillary's favor (and when DNC employee and Bernie supporter Seth Rich blew the whistle to Wikileaks, he suddenly winds up murdered in the middle of the street...hmmm). And what does Bernie do about it? Takes a little kickback money and proceeds to go on the road campaigning for Hillary like the good little lapdog that he is. What a spineless, two-faced douchebag.

The amount of ignorance and lack of understanding in this one post is outstanding, well done.

Really?

Break it down for me

Because these little one sentence, snarky retorts aren't giving me anything of substance whatsoever.

@frank_castle said:

@Nick3306 said:

@frank_castle said:

@blaznwiipspman1 said:

@n64dd said:

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/06/22/bernie-sanders-jane-sanders-lawyer-bank-fraud-investigation-burlington-college-215297

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/05/08/report-fbi-investigating-bernie-sanders-wife-jane-sanders-bank-fraud/22075766/

I bet he was involved. What a sellout.

Jane Sanders is accused of doctoring the loan documents in order to expand college grounds.

Sanders herself claimed the college could count on $2.6 million in donations to pay for purchased land, according to a 2010 loan application.

She ultimately raised only $676,000 in donations over the next four years.

lets see how this plays out before making false claims/fake news that you hypocrite right wing nuts like to blame others for. Did you forget trump fraudulently bilked hundreds of millions of $$$ from paying students with his fake university, got sued and decided to settle. He sexually assaulted tons of women his life, got sued and decided to settle. Trying to paint Bernie as a criminal really doesn't make you right wing nut jobs look any brighter.

LOL "let's see how it plays out"

I notice how very few of you dem shills apply the same logic to the whole Russia/Trump narrative. Trump is already guilty in your minds, despite zero concrete evidence suggesting so. The whole Comey testimony blew up in your faces and it was glorious.

Bernie is a pushover fraud and socialism is a concept that has failed time and time again. Go check out what's going on in Venezuela right now for a prime example.

It's also well known that the DNC interfered with the democratic primaries to tilt the whole thing in Hillary's favor (and when DNC employee and Bernie supporter Seth Rich blew the whistle to Wikileaks, he suddenly winds up murdered in the middle of the street...hmmm). And what does Bernie do about it? Takes a little kickback money and proceeds to go on the road campaigning for Hillary like the good little lapdog that he is. What a spineless, two-faced douchebag.

The amount of ignorance and lack of understanding in this one post is outstanding, well done.

Really?

Break it down for me

Because these little one sentence, snarky retorts aren't giving me anything of substance whatsoever.

Weird, that's how I feel when I read most of your posts.

@RedEyedMonster8 said:

@frank_castle said:

@Nick3306 said:

@frank_castle said:

@blaznwiipspman1 said:

lets see how this plays out before making false claims/fake news that you hypocrite right wing nuts like to blame others for. Did you forget trump fraudulently bilked hundreds of millions of $$$ from paying students with his fake university, got sued and decided to settle. He sexually assaulted tons of women his life, got sued and decided to settle. Trying to paint Bernie as a criminal really doesn't make you right wing nut jobs look any brighter.

LOL "let's see how it plays out"

I notice how very few of you dem shills apply the same logic to the whole Russia/Trump narrative. Trump is already guilty in your minds, despite zero concrete evidence suggesting so. The whole Comey testimony blew up in your faces and it was glorious.

Bernie is a pushover fraud and socialism is a concept that has failed time and time again. Go check out what's going on in Venezuela right now for a prime example.

It's also well known that the DNC interfered with the democratic primaries to tilt the whole thing in Hillary's favor (and when DNC employee and Bernie supporter Seth Rich blew the whistle to Wikileaks, he suddenly winds up murdered in the middle of the street...hmmm). And what does Bernie do about it? Takes a little kickback money and proceeds to go on the road campaigning for Hillary like the good little lapdog that he is. What a spineless, two-faced douchebag.

The amount of ignorance and lack of understanding in this one post is outstanding, well done.

Really?

Break it down for me

Because these little one sentence, snarky retorts aren't giving me anything of substance whatsoever.

Weird, that's how I feel when I read most of your posts.

Oooooooohhhh

Sick burn, bud.

@frank_castle said:

@Nick3306 said:

@frank_castle said:

@blaznwiipspman1 said:

lets see how this plays out before making false claims/fake news that you hypocrite right wing nuts like to blame others for. Did you forget trump fraudulently bilked hundreds of millions of $$$ from paying students with his fake university, got sued and decided to settle. He sexually assaulted tons of women his life, got sued and decided to settle. Trying to paint Bernie as a criminal really doesn't make you right wing nut jobs look any brighter.

LOL "let's see how it plays out"

I notice how very few of you dem shills apply the same logic to the whole Russia/Trump narrative. Trump is already guilty in your minds, despite zero concrete evidence suggesting so. The whole Comey testimony blew up in your faces and it was glorious.

Bernie is a pushover fraud and socialism is a concept that has failed time and time again. Go check out what's going on in Venezuela right now for a prime example.

It's also well known that the DNC interfered with the democratic primaries to tilt the whole thing in Hillary's favor (and when DNC employee and Bernie supporter Seth Rich blew the whistle to Wikileaks, he suddenly winds up murdered in the middle of the street...hmmm). And what does Bernie do about it? Takes a little kickback money and proceeds to go on the road campaigning for Hillary like the good little lapdog that he is. What a spineless, two-faced douchebag.

The amount of ignorance and lack of understanding in this one post is outstanding, well done.

Really?

Break it down for me

Because these little one sentence, snarky retorts aren't giving me anything of substance whatsoever.

Ok I'll break down some talking points to show your lack of critical thinking

1. Assuming everyone on here thinks trump is guilty is a pretty big generalization when a lot of us liberals on here(including me) will admit that we don't know if he's guilty or not.

2. Assuming that socialism here would be the same as in Venezuela is pretty ignorant at best. Governments and markets are very very complex, socialism isn't a one size fits all type deal where it's the same every time.

3. Bernie being pro democratic socialism has nothing to do with this article or topic.

4. You criticized the "dem shills" of thinking trump is guilty with no evidence but then go on to talk about the DNC killing seth rich which has no concrete evidence. Hypocrite much?

5. Any person who could use critical thinking would understand that once bernie lost, he lost. Of course he was going to campaign for hillary because the alternative was trump.

6. Almost none of your post was even relevant to the article, it was just a conservative hit piece with no facts like you were doing some sort of Sean Hannity improv for us.

So I gave you a "little one sentence, snarky retort" because your post itself had no substance, it was barely even on topic and that's before we take into account the lack of critical thinking that went into it.

If this was about Hilary, it would be ok.

Bernie Sanders is as much of a crook as any other democrat politician, back to frying chicken for old man sanders...

Socialism is inherently anti-american. We're a capitalist society and it's always been that way. You aren't entitled to shit, you get what you work for.

And yes, Seth Rich suddenly being gunned down in the streets right after he blew the whistle to wikileaks about Hillary and the DNC interfering with the primaries is more than a bit suspicious to me.

Bernie didn't have to campaign for anyone and certainly not for the woman who helped sabotage his very own campaign. He's 75 years old, this was his one legit chance at being President, he isn't getting another one. But hey, he bought a nice 600k vacation home with that sweet kickback money.

I can't seem to recall Paul Ryan, Marco Rubio, John Kasich, etc openly campaigning for Trump.

You surely mean "is as much of a crook as any politician no matter what side of the fence they are on"

Politicians are usually only in it for themselves and not to serve a purpose or make a difference.

first thing you said I agree with...you aren't entitled to "shit", but you can certainly move places that are a bit more fair to the worker. Even in the US, some states ask the rich to pay their fair share from a system that is rigged to their benefit.

As for why Bernie campaigned for Hilary while none of the republicans did for trump.....maybe that has something to do with trump calling cruz father a terrorist, and Rubio an illegal, etc etc. Bernie vs Hilary was childs play in comparison.

True. He called people names, unlike the DNC who purposely undermined his campaign.

Woah. Congrats dude.

@n64dd: that's not name calling. That's libel and defamation of character. If it wasn't for the fact that Cruz/Rubio are public figures, trump would have gotten the shat sued out of him. At least the snake knows the loopholes

@n64dd:

For anyone who was wondering how this all played out, FYI, it reads almost like something out The Onion.

GOP source of fraud allegation vs. Bernie Sanders' wife admits info was hearsay

this is disgusting. going after people's wives for a stupid political "gain", if it even is one...is Sanders still relevant? THE ELECTION IS OVER!

maybe they should have some proof, first, than third-hand hearsay? I honestly would not be surprised--both Sanders appear to be ambitious, politically-driven people--but until proven otherwise, they are innocent.

Either way, this is chump change, folks, nothing to see here.

Well, not really that surprising.

The case smelled like yesterdays baby diaper already from the get go.

They have been digging into this case for over a year, and guess what? They have found NOTHING.

If you think the US has always been a purely capitalist society, then you seriously need to look at our history. We have always been a combo of both. Especially after FDR's presidency. You can't have one without the other. Capitalism right now is imploding in on itself. And don't use Venezuela as an example of proof of socialism being a failed state, when that country is in fact capitalist with a dictator, similar to russia. and conveniently ignore social democracies like norway, sweden, finland, iceland, and the like. That would be disingenuous, and biased.

@AlexKidd5000:

You are correct the United States is a balance of regulatory statism and capitalism however what you dont acknowledge is that the greatest innovations in US history have been produced during eras that had deregulation and tax cuts.

So historically, the US has gained its prominence of off free market capitalism, lets take a look shall we.

- 1880s: A period of unregulated Capitalism produced: The first electric fan, first investor owned electronic utility, the first automobile plans, the first camera films, Coca Cola, earmuffs, Nintendo, Kodak box Camera etc etc. The list goes on and on

1920s: A period dominated by Coolidges free market capitalist and isolationist ideology. Hmm lets see: First US radio, TV, sunglasses, electric razor, jukebox, frozen food etc. Etc.

1980s: Reaganonomics and free market capitalism brought a 46% corporate tax rate down to 40%. This brought rise to companies such as Apple and Microsoft (The OS youre typing on basically). This was also the greatest economic expansion in US History, in which the black unemployment rate went down and many were provided jobs and oppurtunities.

1990s: Bill Clinton, another great president promoted innovation and entrepeneurship constantly in his term. The repeal of the glass steagall act, deregulation of telecoms and the welfare reform bill are proof of this. While he did raise the income tax by 3 percent he promoted business freedom across the board and was more than willing to work with Republicans to do so.

Historically, the more freedom you give people to produce what they want, the more evolved and prosperous a society becomes.

When you give people freedom instead of regulating them, the best tends comes out in themselves. Their self interest drives the society forward.

You're literally typing on something produced by free market capitalism, your argument was toast the second you decided to open your laptop.

If you hate Capitalism so much move to Cuba. No one is forcing you to stay.

Not sure if you are being serious or not. What you laid out there, is proof that whether you regulate, or deregulate, it has little to no impact, good or bad, on the free market. And you skipped the FDR era, and the massive period of economic growth between 1933, and 1978, what is considered the golden age of America, (versus the robber baron/gilded age before that), where the corporate tax rate was at one point, as high as 92%. During this era, we got the Microprocessor, video games, the LCD display, calculators, computers/super computers, passenger jets, countless medical breakthroughs, and tons more innovations that changed the world as well. What you are talking about, giving freedom to the free market in the form of massive tax cuts, and deregulation, mostly only hurts the people on the bottom, the bottom 90%, that is the area that those things effect FAR more, in a very negative way. When Reagan gave on trickle down economics, millions lost there jobs, and jobs disappeared altogether, devastating places like the rust belt (which is why its even called that in the first place). And its only gotten worse since then, with the contamination of our drinking water, corporations being deliberately driven in to the ground (like kmart and sears) for a quick buck, and competition being eliminated with no legal consequences. When you give too much freedom to the free market, it falls apart, it eats itself. When you allow wages to stagnate over decades, then people have less money to buy things. The environment we see today, is what will eventually kill capitalism, and the economy.

It would seem old man Bernie is just as crooked as Crooked Shillary

@AlexKidd5000:

Facts beg to differ:

"His policies resulted in the largest peacetime economic boom in American history and nearly 35 million more jobs."

Source: http://www.heritage.org/taxes/report/the-real-reagan-economic-record-responsible-and-successful-fiscal-policy

On top of that the black employment rate improved greatly under Reagan, another fact.

http://cafehayek.com/2013/12/some-data-on-reagan-and-black-unemployment.html

There is also the laffer curve as well.

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/l/laffercurve.asp

So in conclusion, basic economics and actual history basically debunks your Buzzfeed article.

@luckylucious:

Not really, every source of info I have ever read, a heard, has said otherwise. The economy has been gutted, and in a state of ruin. Clinton signed NAFTA, which outsourced millions of jobs. Ergonomics actually caused a recession at the end of the 80s. All you have to do, is look at the jobs market, it's a disaster. You don't even have to be paying much attention to realize something is wrong.

So like........... anyone who thinks this is some horrific thing and is suggesting corruption by Bernie or his wife, did any of you bother reading any of these articles or checking in on what this situation was about?

Are any of you aware of the dramatic difference between this situation and your typical corrupted politician? Even if his wife is 100% guilty, this does not say anything. She didnt pocket the money, the issue was bad estimates on a bank loan. But im willing to bet all of this will be dropped, its simply people trying to bring Sanders down to the rest of America's politicians. The lawsuit itself will be dropped, all they want is to be able to put this in the news to get stupid people to buy into this idea that he is corrupt that way it seems harder for him to bring this up against Hillary in 2020 when they both run again.

@kod:

Yup, this dumb story is the only thing even remotely scandalous they have on him and his wife. Bernie approval rating went up again to 75%.

Im actually shocked people still run with this nonsense. As if they've never bothered questioning it before. As if they've never said "Hey, even if i take these examples to demonstrate what i say they are saying, lets see if world history demonstrates this as well". And of course, they'll find that no, not only are none of these examples a product of deregulation or unfettered capitalism, but innovation is not dependent on capitalism at all. Back to the "even if we are to say X is true" notion, you'd still be missing the point that the innovations you want to accredit capitalism for, were mostly created through necessity, science and advancements in technology that did not happen to due to capitalism. Not to mention all the conflations going on here. The mixing of concepts like freedom of choice in a consumer market, with deregulation of how companies to business. These things are not the same thing.

One could make the argument that its needed to start a nation, it would be a very holey argument and youd really want to argue that its one of the better ways to start a nation, but even then you'd have to limit your citations and ignore counters in order to promote that idea.

But the whole argument is just another great example of how "free market" people, fake libertarians, fake conservatives, etc. dont grasp economics or history. They are always so picky and choosey with their examples. They will highlight things like.... well, above, but then ignore how America is no longer the leader in sciences, those horrific socialist or super regulated countries that by your standard should not be innovating, are. Just a basic overview of this topic and various nations destroys these idiotic ideas. Of course, even worse is how many of these people cant seem to understand that capitalism is simply a function of a society and not the entirety. It goes hand in hand with how they tend to view government, as if its s third entity that came down to earth with all this money and the poor humans are begging for it.

At this point im not shocked by how stupid people are when it comes to news and politics.

Ive heard people excuse stuff like this by bringing up that its natural for people to group and to side with people who think similarly. And its true to an extent, but i always fall short of fully excusing them and not labeling them as incredibly stupid because of how little self reflection and evaluation of one's own ideas someone has to have in order to not recognize this. Of course all of that is even contingent on if these people are capable of reading the story and/or actually finding out what its about. Which most of the people here don't seem to be capable of doing.

@kod:

Innovation isnt dependent on giving people the freedom to express themselves freely? Thats adorable.

*Glances over long list of deregulated periods that literally produced everything in your room LOL

- 1880s: A period of unregulated Capitalism produced: The first electric fan, first investor owned electronic utility, the first automobile plans, the first camera films, Coca Cola, earmuffs, Nintendo, Kodak box Camera etc etc. The list goes on and on

1920s: A period dominated by Coolidges free market capitalist and isolationist ideology. Hmm lets see: First US radio, TV, sunglasses, electric razor, jukebox, frozen food etc. Etc.

1980s: Reaganonomics and free market capitalism brought a 46% corporate tax rate down to 40%. This brought rise to companies such as Apple and Microsoft (The OS youre typing on basically). This was also the greatest economic expansion in US History, in which the black unemployment rate went down and many were provided jobs and oppurtunities.

1990s: Bill Clinton, another great president promoted innovation and entrepeneurship constantly in his term. The repeal of the glass steagall act, deregulation of telecoms and the welfare reform bill are proof of this. While he did raise the income tax by 3 percent he promoted business freedom across the board and was more than willing to work with Republicans to do so.

Historically, the more freedom you give people to produce what they want, the more evolved and prosperous a society becomes.

When you give people freedom instead of regulating them, the best tends comes out in themselves. Their self interest drives the society forward.

Enjoy your Windows computer, brought forth by a free market. Also your shoes, hats, t shirt, hoodie etc.

You hate capitalism yet you reap the benefits of it everyday. Its akin to a fat lady saying she hates food.

I guess i have to dumb this down a bit.......

What was said is that these are not mutually exclusive. That human need, expression, science, innovation, happens regardless of unfettered capitalism. You can like or dislike this fact, but if you want to contend it, you are up against all of human history.

Im not sure what you do for a profession, but im a biologist. My contributions to the world are written in academia and are being applied to billions of people worldwide. The industry i work in is extremely regulated and i can honestly say that it does not actually stop us from innovating or advancing.

The think the real problem here is you seem to view "regulations" as a zero sum game. Which is the dumbest way one could view this and possibly the most detached from reality.

Tell me, when you suggest i move, why are you not suggesting Germany? Or Switzerland? Or Japan? Or Australia? Or one of the many countries with super heavy regulations on industry, who are either right below us, on par with us, or even above us in terms of technology, innovation (and even economy)? Better yet, why are you not suggesting i move to mid century America, when we saw the biggest boom the world has ever seen that was a result of super regulations that ensured the middle class became the average consumer?

You say its hard for you to take me seriously, but you're the one who cannot even begin to demonstrate what you're proclaiming. Even if i were to grant you all the examples you gave, it still does not say anything given that we can simply provide the same thing from nations who do the exact opposite of what you say is needed. And aside from that and some ill informed typical, nonsensical fake libertarian rantings, its all you have.

BTW, i call it fake libertarianism because those who practice what they preach (or at least understand it), understand where the practice of unfettered capitalism goes, every single time. So basically they are able to take an ideology and then apply reality to it, unlike most libertarians and free market idiots today.

@kod:

Lol then go to Germany, also what rants its a historical fact innovation is directly correlated to deregulation periods in US history.

Its just a fact;

- 1880s: A period of unregulated Capitalism produced: The first electric fan, first investor owned electronic utility, the first automobile plans, the first camera films, Coca Cola, earmuffs, Nintendo, Kodak box Camera etc etc. The list goes on and on

1920s: A period dominated by Coolidges free market capitalist and isolationist ideology. Hmm lets see: First US radio, TV, sunglasses, electric razor, jukebox, frozen food etc. Etc.

1980s: Reaganonomics and free market capitalism brought a 46% corporate tax rate down to 40%. This brought rise to companies such as Apple and Microsoft (The OS youre typing on basically). This was also the greatest economic expansion in US History, in which the black unemployment rate went down and many were provided jobs and oppurtunities.

1990s: Bill Clinton, another great president promoted innovation and entrepeneurship constantly in his term. The repeal of the glass steagall act, deregulation of telecoms and the welfare reform bill are proof of this. While he did raise the income tax by 3 percent he promoted business freedom across the board and was more than willing to work with Republicans to do so.

On top of that yes you do hold back innovation, anyone who wants to regulate creativity does do that.

The biggest offenders of this reasoning, are people like Steven Crowder, and Stefan Molyneux, where everything good in the world came from capitalism, and everything bad came from socialism/communism. They are ideologues who refuse to budge on there beliefs that are very religious-like in nature, they think there view of the world is perfect in every way, and anyone who thinks otherwise is the enemy. Stefan even made the outlandish argument that if aliens visited earth, they would be friendly because they would have a free market... wow.

one of the greatest posts in gamespot history....you demolished him in so many ways in one post, I actually felt sorry for him. And no surprise, its from an academic/scholar. Like you said, alot of these innovations had their fundamentals built by scientists who could give 2 shts less about what is happening in the world, how much they are getting paid or if they get famous or not. Whats crazy is that these simple minded right wing posters think Einstein brought the world the theory of relativity because of capitalism...LOL! Einstein was a passionate man who had unlimited amounts of curiosity on how the world works...he was passionate and driven. Money wasn't the motivating force for him, not even close. Charles Darwin came from a wealthy background, yet spent years travelling around the world recording his observations, ultimately bringing the world the theory of Evolution through natural selection. Alan Turing was obsessed with cracking the German code during WW2, and he invented the first computer to do it. Again, had nothing to do with capitalism. These kinds of people aren't shackled to the government, to corporation or anything else...they simply follow their own dreams and passions, thats all there is to it.

Don't mind him, hes a simpleton who sees the world through his rose tinted glasses. He's unable to see the world without his bias and likely never will. How else can you account for the millions of right wing climate change deniers?