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#51 LJS9502_basic
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@blaznwiipspman1 said:

@Maroxad: Obama might have had good intentions but nobody likes these low income housing brought to their neighborhoods. It always ends up as drug and crime infested shtholes and also hurt property values. Ask Obama if he would accept the ghetto moving into his neighborhood with his children around. The first thing obama would do, if not for his tax payer funded 24/7 security is to pack his bags and flee

Perhaps we should address the underlying conditions of poverty and education then............

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@blaznwiipspman1 said:

@Maroxad: Obama might have had good intentions but nobody likes these low income housing brought to their neighborhoods. It always ends up as drug and crime infested shtholes and also hurt property values. Ask Obama if he would accept the ghetto moving into his neighborhood with his children around. The first thing obama would do, if not for his tax payer funded 24/7 security is to pack his bags and flee

Is this confirmed in all scenarios though?

Our findings suggest that affordable housing can indeed be developed in an affluent suburban community without increasing social disorganization or producing negative externalities in terms of crime, property values, or taxes. Our systematic analyses of trends in Mount Laurel and surrounding municipalities revealed no significant differences in crime rates, property values, or tax burdens before or after the opening of the Ethel Lawrence Homes. Although prior studies of subsidized housing have documented negative effects on surrounding communities, such was not the case in Mount Laurel (though we were unable to assess potential environmental effects noted in previous research---see DeGenova et al., 1999). This benign outcome did not simply happen, but was likely achieved by specific features of the project’s design that were incorporated into plans and practices by developers explicitly to mitigate potential negative externalities and to promote social cohesion and security among project residents. These features include judicious selection of residents, architectural consistency with surrounding neighborhoods, careful attention to landscaping and aesthetics, close cooperation between managers and residents, access to onsite after-school programs, organization of a town watch, and close collaboration with municipal officials.

https://www.rupco.org/wp-content/uploads/pdfs/Do-Affordable-Housing-Projects-Harm-Suburban-Communities.pdf

“Placed-based” housing (what many people traditionally think of when they think of affordable housing), yes, can have higher incidents of crime. But even that depends on how they are built. The Urban Institute found that subsidized housing doesn’t have to bring increased crime if it is well-designed and well-managed. While there is some evidence that crime can increase, it seems to be most likely when the housing is built in areas already struggling with lowering property values and rising crime rates. A Wayne State/Urban Institute study suggested that “proximity to dispersed public housing was not associated with any post-development increase in reported crime of any type.” This article from the California Department of Housing & Community Development is also interesting in breaking down common myths surrounding affordable housing.

It still seems like Trump is trying Southern Strategy 2.0

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@LJS9502_basic said:

Perhaps we should address the underlying conditions of poverty and education then............

The corner that some people have painted themselves into has gotten really small. My sister moved to Carmel, IN a few years ago, and their local politics regarding housing supply and wages is maddening.

The residents are upset about a service/retail worker shortage caused by the inability of those workers to afford the city. When talk about increasing minimum wage is raised, they freak out over the prospect of inflation. When talk about affordable housing is raised, they freak out about the possibility of "undesirables".

They want people to work for them for as little as possible without having to actually have them be a part of their community in any other way.

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#54 LJS9502_basic
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@mattbbpl said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

Perhaps we should address the underlying conditions of poverty and education then............

The corner that some people have painted themselves into has gotten really small. My sister moved to Carmel, IN a few years ago, and their local politics regarding housing supply and wages is maddening.

The residents are upset about a service/retail worker shortage caused by the inability of those workers to afford the city. When talk about increasing minimum wage is raised, they freak out over the prospect of inflation. When talk about affordable housing is raised, they freak out about the possibility of "undesirables".

They want people to work for them for as little as possible without having to actually have them be a part of their community in any other way.

Oh for sure. Can't have people get what we have attitude.

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@LJS9502_basic said:
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@HoolaHoopMan: I'm not getting how its racist? Does the left know any other words at this point?

You can't see that any the two times we had a minority on the ticket their birth was called into question? That is racism dude. Own up to the shit that is your party.

This what is wrong when you have a minority on a presidential ticket every question about the person is considered racism. Obama citizenship was called into question because of where he was born but also of his adoption by Lolo Soetotro and his Indonesian citizenship and the fact that Obama went to college in the US as a foreign exchange student.

Hawaii? No there is no reason to call into question but it's done because they are minorities. Also since when does a stepfather have anything to do with one's birth? Hint: they don't.

It has to do with his citizenship. He was a citizen of Indonesia, he could not have dual citizenship with the United States and Indonesian and he never applied for citizenship when he returned to the United States. Also in the early eighties he traveled to Pakistan using a British Passport. What country is he legally a citizen. Of course that is all water under the bridge as it would cause to many problems. It should have been taken care of before he was president, but everyone gave him a pass sa has been done his whole life.

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#56  Edited By HoolaHoopMan
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@JimB said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@JimB said:

This what is wrong when you have a minority on a presidential ticket every question about the person is considered racism. Obama citizenship was called into question because of where he was born but also of his adoption by Lolo Soetotro and his Indonesian citizenship and the fact that Obama went to college in the US as a foreign exchange student.

Hawaii? No there is no reason to call into question but it's done because they are minorities. Also since when does a stepfather have anything to do with one's birth? Hint: they don't.

It has to do with his citizenship. He was a citizen of Indonesia, he could not have dual citizenship with the United States and Indonesian and he never applied for citizenship when he returned to the United States. Also in the early eighties he traveled to Pakistan using a British Passport. What country is he legally a citizen. Of course that is all water under the bridge as it would cause to many problems. It should have been taken care of before he was president, but everyone gave him a pass sa has been done his whole life.

If it was about citizenship then why didn't these racist birther attacks disappear when he provided his birth certificate, Jim?

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#57  Edited By LJS9502_basic
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@JimB said:

It has to do with his citizenship. He was a citizen of Indonesia, he could not have dual citizenship with the United States and Indonesian and he never applied for citizenship when he returned to the United States. Also in the early eighties he traveled to Pakistan using a British Passport. What country is he legally a citizen. Of course that is all water under the bridge as it would cause to many problems. It should have been taken care of before he was president, but everyone gave him a pass sa has been done his whole life.

Living in another country does not erase one's citizenship Jim.

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@HoolaHoopMan said:
@JimB said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@JimB said:

This what is wrong when you have a minority on a presidential ticket every question about the person is considered racism. Obama citizenship was called into question because of where he was born but also of his adoption by Lolo Soetotro and his Indonesian citizenship and the fact that Obama went to college in the US as a foreign exchange student.

Hawaii? No there is no reason to call into question but it's done because they are minorities. Also since when does a stepfather have anything to do with one's birth? Hint: they don't.

It has to do with his citizenship. He was a citizen of Indonesia, he could not have dual citizenship with the United States and Indonesian and he never applied for citizenship when he returned to the United States. Also in the early eighties he traveled to Pakistan using a British Passport. What country is he legally a citizen. Of course that is all water under the bridge as it would cause to many problems. It should have been taken care of before he was president, but everyone gave him a pass sa has been done his whole life.

If it was about citizenship then why didn't these racist birther attacks disappear when he provided his birth certificate, Jim?

Wasn't his birth certificate, it was certificate of live birth, which are two completely different things.

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@n64dd said:
@HoolaHoopMan said:
@JimB said:

It has to do with his citizenship. He was a citizen of Indonesia, he could not have dual citizenship with the United States and Indonesian and he never applied for citizenship when he returned to the United States. Also in the early eighties he traveled to Pakistan using a British Passport. What country is he legally a citizen. Of course that is all water under the bridge as it would cause to many problems. It should have been taken care of before he was president, but everyone gave him a pass sa has been done his whole life.

If it was about citizenship then why didn't these racist birther attacks disappear when he provided his birth certificate, Jim?

Wasn't his birth certificate, it was certificate of live birth, which are two completely different things.

Oh, so you're one of those people then too?

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#60 LJS9502_basic
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@n64dd said:
@HoolaHoopMan said:

If it was about citizenship then why didn't these racist birther attacks disappear when he provided his birth certificate, Jim?

Wasn't his birth certificate, it was certificate of live birth, which are two completely different things.

The more you know..........a birth certificate is issued after the certificate of live birth is submitted. For the record Obama did release his long form BIRTH CERTIFICATE as well.

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I'm glad to see we're doubling down on the insanity and racism in this thread.

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#62 HoolaHoopMan
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I'm glad to see we're doubling down on the insanity and racism in this thread.

Were you expecting the cult followers of the King birther himself to suddenly have a change of heart?

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@HoolaHoopMan: I... Thought we were past this? Overly optimistic, I guess.

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@HoolaHoopMan said:
@JimB said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@JimB said:

This what is wrong when you have a minority on a presidential ticket every question about the person is considered racism. Obama citizenship was called into question because of where he was born but also of his adoption by Lolo Soetotro and his Indonesian citizenship and the fact that Obama went to college in the US as a foreign exchange student.

Hawaii? No there is no reason to call into question but it's done because they are minorities. Also since when does a stepfather have anything to do with one's birth? Hint: they don't.

It has to do with his citizenship. He was a citizen of Indonesia, he could not have dual citizenship with the United States and Indonesian and he never applied for citizenship when he returned to the United States. Also in the early eighties he traveled to Pakistan using a British Passport. What country is he legally a citizen. Of course that is all water under the bridge as it would cause to many problems. It should have been taken care of before he was president, but everyone gave him a pass sa has been done his whole life.

If it was about citizenship then why didn't these racist birther attacks disappear when he provided his birth certificate, Jim?

The birth certificate has also been brought in to question. All the attacks stopped because if you questioned anything about Obama you were called a racist which goes back to my original post you are not allowed to question a minority politician or you are called a racist.

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@JimB said:

It has to do with his citizenship. He was a citizen of Indonesia, he could not have dual citizenship with the United States and Indonesian and he never applied for citizenship when he returned to the United States. Also in the early eighties he traveled to Pakistan using a British Passport. What country is he legally a citizen. Of course that is all water under the bridge as it would cause to many problems. It should have been taken care of before he was president, but everyone gave him a pass sa has been done his whole life.

Living in another country does not erase one's citizenship Jim.

It does when you are a child and adopted by a citizen of a foreign country and you are living in that country.

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@JimB said:
@HoolaHoopMan said:
@JimB said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@JimB said:

This what is wrong when you have a minority on a presidential ticket every question about the person is considered racism. Obama citizenship was called into question because of where he was born but also of his adoption by Lolo Soetotro and his Indonesian citizenship and the fact that Obama went to college in the US as a foreign exchange student.

Hawaii? No there is no reason to call into question but it's done because they are minorities. Also since when does a stepfather have anything to do with one's birth? Hint: they don't.

It has to do with his citizenship. He was a citizen of Indonesia, he could not have dual citizenship with the United States and Indonesian and he never applied for citizenship when he returned to the United States. Also in the early eighties he traveled to Pakistan using a British Passport. What country is he legally a citizen. Of course that is all water under the bridge as it would cause to many problems. It should have been taken care of before he was president, but everyone gave him a pass sa has been done his whole life.

If it was about citizenship then why didn't these racist birther attacks disappear when he provided his birth certificate, Jim?

The birth certificate has also been brought in to question. All the attacks stopped because if you questioned anything about Obama you were called a racist which goes back to my original post you are not allowed to question a minority politician or you are called a racist.

You all seem to forget the Democrats claimed before the Obama birth issue that McCain was not eligible to be president because he was bore on a military base in a different country no charge of racism there, but when the origin of Obama birth origin was questioned it was racism. Talk about a double standard which further proves my point.

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#67  Edited By deactivated-5fab1400b2fcc
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@blaznwiipspman1: Conservatives....... First you complain about no affordable housing then complain when you get it.

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@JimB said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

Living in another country does not erase one's citizenship Jim.

It does when you are a child and adopted by a citizen of a foreign country and you are living in that country.

No it doesn't.

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@HoolaHoopMan said:
@n64dd said:
@HoolaHoopMan said:
@JimB said:

It has to do with his citizenship. He was a citizen of Indonesia, he could not have dual citizenship with the United States and Indonesian and he never applied for citizenship when he returned to the United States. Also in the early eighties he traveled to Pakistan using a British Passport. What country is he legally a citizen. Of course that is all water under the bridge as it would cause to many problems. It should have been taken care of before he was president, but everyone gave him a pass sa has been done his whole life.

If it was about citizenship then why didn't these racist birther attacks disappear when he provided his birth certificate, Jim?

Wasn't his birth certificate, it was certificate of live birth, which are two completely different things.

Oh, so you're one of those people then too?

No, just pointing out facts. I don't believe he was born in Kenya or anything. I think if all of it was true, it would be the biggest scandal and history and there would be no way to clear it up.

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@n64dd said:
@HoolaHoopMan said:

Oh, so you're one of those people then too?

No, just pointing out facts.

Nah, you're just trying to be a petty troll as usual. Most likely because you have nothing interesting to really say. It's far easier I suppose.

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@JimB said:
@HoolaHoopMan said:

If it was about citizenship then why didn't these racist birther attacks disappear when he provided his birth certificate, Jim?

The birth certificate has also been brought in to question. All the attacks stopped because if you questioned anything about Obama you were called a racist which goes back to my original post you are not allowed to question a minority politician or you are called a racis

Bolded: They didn't and you're a liar, Jimmy Boy.

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@HoolaHoopMan said:
@n64dd said:
@HoolaHoopMan said:

Oh, so you're one of those people then too?

No, just pointing out facts.

Nah, you're just trying to be a petty troll as usual. Most likely because you have nothing interesting to really say. It's far easier I suppose.

You ignored everything I said after that. A birth certificate was never presented.

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@n64dd said:
@HoolaHoopMan said:
@n64dd said:
@HoolaHoopMan said:

Oh, so you're one of those people then too?

No, just pointing out facts.

Nah, you're just trying to be a petty troll as usual. Most likely because you have nothing interesting to really say. It's far easier I suppose.

You ignored everything I said after that. A birth certificate was never presented.

Great, except that your comment ignores a crucial part: What was presented is legal proof of citizenship status in the US. You're not actually making a point to the relevancy of the thread, hence, more petty trolling.

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@blaznwiipspman1: Conservatives....... First you complain about no affordable housing then complain when you get it.

im nota conservative, i despise them to the point that i'd hold my nose and vote for the liberals. Im more of an independent minded voter, like a majority of people. As for the affordable housing thing, my thoughts on that is there is only one form of affordable house, and thats outside the city. You don't bring the affordable houses to the expensive city, thats going against the market. You go outside the expensive city to find the affordable houses.

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#76  Edited By Nude_Dude
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Lol crying because racism when kamala’s whole angle in this election is exploiting racial relations.

Can’t make this shit up.

Is birtherism racist?

Edit: as usual, no response from the cowards populating the forum