Same could be said of the left. Have you seen the past 2-3 years. How can you judge an entire voter base because of who they choose, some Trump supporters are more intelligent than this entire forum combined. This attitude is why many have become alienated by the left if you voted for Trump you're an idiot or uneducated without knowing that persons motivation Saw the same thing with Brexit. Judging people without understanding why they chose a certian candidate or why they hold certain political beliefs makes you the ignorant one especially when you know nothing about people you calling names.
Do you think Trump's base is stupid?
@borninblood60 said:
Same could be said of the left. Have you seen the past 2-3 years. How can you judge an entire voter base because of who they choose, some Trump supporters are more intelligent than this entire forum combined. This attitude is why many have become alienated by the left if you voted for Trump you're an idiot or uneducated without knowing that persons motivation Saw the same thing with Brexit. Judging people without understanding why they chose a certian candidate or why they hold certain political beliefs makes you the ignorant one especially when you know nothing about people you calling names.
If the left say something about the right then they are alienating people, if the right are passive then they are coward sjws. Get off of it robot
@Mercenary848 said:
@borninblood60 said:
Same could be said of the left. Have you seen the past 2-3 years. How can you judge an entire voter base because of who they choose, some Trump supporters are more intelligent than this entire forum combined. This attitude is why many have become alienated by the left if you voted for Trump you're an idiot or uneducated without knowing that persons motivation Saw the same thing with Brexit. Judging people without understanding why they chose a certian candidate or why they hold certain political beliefs makes you the ignorant one especially when you know nothing about people you calling names.
If the left say something about the right then they are alienating people, if the right are passive then they are coward sjws. Get off of it robot
This is why you people are so hard to have a discussion with. Go **** yourself you degenerate.
@borninblood60 said:
@Mercenary848 said:
@borninblood60 said:
Same could be said of the left. Have you seen the past 2-3 years. How can you judge an entire voter base because of who they choose, some Trump supporters are more intelligent than this entire forum combined. This attitude is why many have become alienated by the left if you voted for Trump you're an idiot or uneducated without knowing that persons motivation Saw the same thing with Brexit. Judging people without understanding why they chose a certian candidate or why they hold certain political beliefs makes you the ignorant one especially when you know nothing about people you calling names.
If the left say something about the right then they are alienating people, if the right are passive then they are coward sjws. Get off of it robot
This is why you people are so hard to have a discussion with. Go **** yourself you degenerate.
I didn't think that conversation would go full circle so quickly, LOL.
@mattbbpl said:
@borninblood60 said:
@Mercenary848 said:
@borninblood60 said:
Same could be said of the left. Have you seen the past 2-3 years. How can you judge an entire voter base because of who they choose, some Trump supporters are more intelligent than this entire forum combined. This attitude is why many have become alienated by the left if you voted for Trump you're an idiot or uneducated without knowing that persons motivation Saw the same thing with Brexit. Judging people without understanding why they chose a certian candidate or why they hold certain political beliefs makes you the ignorant one especially when you know nothing about people you calling names.
If the left say something about the right then they are alienating people, if the right are passive then they are coward sjws. Get off of it robot
This is why you people are so hard to have a discussion with. Go **** yourself you degenerate.
I didn't think that conversation would go full circle so quickly, LOL.
Yeah hahaha
@borninblood60 said:
@Mercenary848 said:
@borninblood60 said:
Same could be said of the left. Have you seen the past 2-3 years. How can you judge an entire voter base because of who they choose, some Trump supporters are more intelligent than this entire forum combined. This attitude is why many have become alienated by the left if you voted for Trump you're an idiot or uneducated without knowing that persons motivation Saw the same thing with Brexit. Judging people without understanding why they chose a certian candidate or why they hold certain political beliefs makes you the ignorant one especially when you know nothing about people you calling names.
If the left say something about the right then they are alienating people, if the right are passive then they are coward sjws. Get off of it robot
This is why you people are so hard to have a discussion with. Go **** yourself you degenerate.
Triggered.....
Keep blaming the imaginary left, for your problems.
@mattbbpl said:
@borninblood60 said:
@Mercenary848 said:
@borninblood60 said:
Same could be said of the left. Have you seen the past 2-3 years. How can you judge an entire voter base because of who they choose, some Trump supporters are more intelligent than this entire forum combined. This attitude is why many have become alienated by the left if you voted for Trump you're an idiot or uneducated without knowing that persons motivation Saw the same thing with Brexit. Judging people without understanding why they chose a certian candidate or why they hold certain political beliefs makes you the ignorant one especially when you know nothing about people you calling names.
If the left say something about the right then they are alienating people, if the right are passive then they are coward sjws. Get off of it robot
This is why you people are so hard to have a discussion with. Go **** yourself you degenerate.
I didn't think that conversation would go full circle so quickly, LOL.
I would not have minded if he said I think you are wrong because blah blah but he immediately resorted to insults. He does this with other users anyone who disagrees he calls them stupid or unintelligent. Honestly one of the very few people I genuinly dislike on this site.
@Mercenary848 said:
@borninblood60 said:
@Mercenary848 said:
@borninblood60 said:
Same could be said of the left. Have you seen the past 2-3 years. How can you judge an entire voter base because of who they choose, some Trump supporters are more intelligent than this entire forum combined. This attitude is why many have become alienated by the left if you voted for Trump you're an idiot or uneducated without knowing that persons motivation Saw the same thing with Brexit. Judging people without understanding why they chose a certian candidate or why they hold certain political beliefs makes you the ignorant one especially when you know nothing about people you calling names.
If the left say something about the right then they are alienating people, if the right are passive then they are coward sjws. Get off of it robot
This is why you people are so hard to have a discussion with. Go **** yourself you degenerate.
Triggered.....
Keep blaming the imaginary left, for your problems.
Was I blaming the left for my problems? Care to provide evidence of me saying the left is the cause of all my problems. No I was not I was simply stating the attitudes that are pushing people away. Keep calling people idiots or unintelligent or whatever derogatory bs you can come up with because those same people will never entertain the thought of listening to you, why should they you just called them stupid.
@borninblood60: I had to relook at your past posts to get a feel for who you were and why you are so emotional(never noticed you until now) and it was about what I expected. Same sad woah is me, everyone is out to get me mentality and drivel typical of posters like you. Also you cursed at me....
0/10 try again next time
@Mercenary848 said:
@borninblood60: I had to relook at your past posts to get a feel for who you were and why you are so emotional(never noticed you until now) and it was about what I expected. Same sad woah is me, everyone is out to get me mentality and drivel typical of posters like you. Also you cursed at me....
0/10 try again next time
Whatever you say pal, still waiting for that evidence. 0/10 huh I'm sorry you gave such a low score to your personality.
@kod said:
@ad1x2 said:
@kod: Climate change is one of those things that intelligent people know is real, but people may have a difference in opinion on how much effect humanity has on it versus other sources. The people that outright say it isn't real and actually believe that are not very intelligent.
I wouldnt say someone has to be intelligent to understand climate change is a fact, simply understand where their expertise lies in. And if that is the case, or i guess with any understanding that its a fact case, one would not challenge Climatologists on their conclusions around this cycle being man made.
@ad1x2 said:
@kod: As for a conspiracy to ignore it so billionaires that profit on ignoring it can keep getting richer, I won't deny the possibility. But people on the right that buy into that theory blame boogeymen like George Soros for it, which isn't the same as people on the left saying that oil companies are paying off Republicans to ignore it. Whether or not you want to say that people that buy into the Soros theory are not intelligent is up to you.
So, id say the George Soros thing is the possibility, yes? Its not demonstrated, none of the connections seem to be there . But we cant toss the idea out as false, simply not proven. This does not justify touting the idea btw.
But when it comes to oil companies and our single party of democrats and republicans, demonstrating that they receive millions from oil companies to act in oil companies favor is possibly one of the easiest things to actually demonstrate.
You're right to say that you don't have to be very intelligent to believe that climate change is real, since understanding exactly how it works isn't a requirement to believe that it exists. I mentioned George Soros as a person they would blame for a conspiracy about climate change being false because there are plenty of people out there on the right that believe he's funding (if not the de-facto leader of) the so-called "Deep State" that is trying to remove President Trump from office. While I won't dismiss the idea that some people on the inside are working against the president as we speak, especially with the amount of leaks of classified information that has made its way into the press, I am not going to entertain the idea that there is an actual deep state working behind the scenes.
@kod said:
So why i labeled Benghazi in a different category than the EMails is because of the claims. With Benghazi, no one knew what claim they were making. People would say "Benghazi Benghazi Benghazi" and you'd say "Okay, im open to hearing what claim you're making, what is it?" And the answer would be "I don't know, but something was wrong and it was Hillary's fault" So this could be anything from her turning her phone off for a minute and not getting an important call, to her setting the whole thing up.
@ad1x2 said:
@kod: Benghazi and the emails are two real things that have happened. The difference between the left and the right is how much blame they put on Hillary Clinton over it. With Benghazi, people on the right at a minimum blame gross incompetence and at most blame a conspiracy for it, using both as reasons why Hillary Clinton shouldn't have been president. People on the left usually state that Benghazi was an unfortunate situation, but something that she couldn't have stopped. As a result, they called all of the investigations on Benghazi a political witch-hunt from the right (just like some call the Russia investigations a political witch-hunt from the left).
There was zero specific claims with Benghazi and as a result, nothing came of it. It was a right wing blame game talking point in an attempt to attack democrats. We've seen it plenty of times before and it looked like that was the case with the EMails. For the longest time no one really knew what the claims were with the emails and it just seemed like another Benghazi, until the FBI came out and said what they were investigating and then it all became too real. This was the point when anyone paying attention and concerned with reality, should have disconnected the two.
It's not entirely true that the claims people yelling Benghazi were making are unknown. What is true is that the claims are unproven. The biggest claims were that they intentionally lied about the incident being retaliation for the Innocence of Muslims YouTube video and that Clinton personally ordered QRF that could have aided the victims to stand down. With both those claims, the conspiracy can go from probable to almost impossible. Probable reasons point to her, as Secretary of State, being grossly negligent in the State Department's failure to properly assess the threat level. Almost impossible reasons are people that think she intentionally wanted them to die to cover up some illegal backdoor deals. Either way, if any of that was true, then it would have been a huge reason for her not to be fit for an even higher office.
@kod said:
Do you have to be right or left to understand this was a gross negligence of classified information? Do you have to be right or left to understand she broke federal laws in order to do what she did? At this point, as a leftist, im not concerned with trusting her as president, im wondering what would happen to ME if i ignored the NSA's laws, then HACKED the NSA and redirected what would be classified and public information.... now..... im pretty sure id never see the light day again.... why is this not applied to her? This Email thing is not a partisan thing, its not equivalent to Benghazi.
If you want to talk about the people on the "left", you have those who excused her actions, and those who didnt. Like or dislike what she did... .agree with it or not, these actions "should" disqualify her from being president and qualify her for a life in a prison cell. Shit, if the number of hacks were correct (that would not have happened had it gone through the NSA servers) she did more damage than anyone in GITMO... so lets send her there. This was not Benghazi, we know for a fact she broke multiple federal laws because she didnt want her emails to be public record........ these are facts.
People on both sides of the aisle have the capacity to understand the importance of safeguarding classified information. My statement was in regards to people that excused Clinton for the e-mail server because, in their own words, they were "just e-mails" and were nothing compared to all of the things Trump said. I'm not saying that none of the people that supported Clinton over Trump understand how important it is to safeguard classified information. Many people that support her probably do know how important it is, but they felt that Trump was enough of a danger to the country that they needed to overlook it and vote for her anyway to keep him out of the White House.
Focusing on the people that said they were "just e-mails," while it is undeniable that Trump has said some things that were very offensive, saying that Trump making offensive statements (totally legal) was worse than Clinton putting e-mails classified Top Secret on a private server that could have been hacked (illegal) is a great way to make people doubt the ability of some people on the left to understand how damaging it is to not keep that information secure. What made the situation worse was the fact that people were assuming that there was a coordinated cover-up of the scandal based on James Comey's remarks several days after Bill Clinton met with AG Loretta Lynch, and the press' attempts to downplay the meeting.
Obviously, both the Benghazi investigation and the e-mail server investigation against Clinton were mostly political, since the end result wasn't necessarily to lock her up, but to discredit her enough to make Republicans look better and later to ruin her campaign after she ran for president again. The same can be said with the Russia investigation going on now against Trump, with the investigations making not only him, but the GOP in general look bad. Best case scenario for the Democrats, they find something proving collusion, which may allow them to skip impeachment and use the 25th Amendment for immediate removal with the argument that he could cause too much damage to leave him in power while waiting for impeachment to go through Congress. While not as good, a lesser, but still positive scenario would be the investigation impeding Trump's ability to govern indefinitely and smearing him enough to ruin his chances of being reelected. Worst case scenario would be no evidence being found and Trump's base being even more energized to the point where they help secure his reelection.
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