Elizabeth Warren Stands by DNA Test. But Around Her, Worries Abound.

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@Damedius said:
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@Gatygun said:

So she basically said she was a native without any proof at all, then she tried to bait racial minority's to vote for her because of this.

I thought she said it in defense of people claiming she used her over played "native heritage" several decades ago to get jobs or get into school, although that was debunked.

Either way she screwed up and doesn't know how to properly quash nothing burger gaffs.

https://elizabethwarrenwiki.org/elizabeth-warren-native-american-cherokee-controversy/

Yup, just as i thought. Gatygun seems to be incorrect, she never used it as a bait for racial votes. It was a decades old gaff only brought up recently by others, making her defend herself. The original claims used against her was she used this "lie" to get ahead in her career a long time ago. But this never happened.

Ethnicity not a factor in Elizabeth Warren’s rise in law

https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2018/09/01/did-claiming-native-american-heritage-actually-help-elizabeth-warren-get-ahead-but-complicated/wUZZcrKKEOUv5Spnb7IO0K/story.html

She should have completely ignored it after The Globe thoroughly vindicated her.

Very dumb to even speak about it after that, much less do a stupid DNA test. Trump has done things that are 100x worse and 100x more frequently, yet nothing happens to him. He knows how to handle stuff, she doesn't.

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why do democrats so easily roll over and die.

who cares what her background is or is not

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@tryit said:

why do democrats so easily roll over and die.

who cares what her background is or is not

Because Republicans are better at making fluff gaffs like this stick, while Democrats can't even get Trump's "grab her by the pussy", 12 sexual misconduct allegations, and "No Vacancies for Blacks" (generally career enders, much less campaign enders) to stick.

They are no good at this publicity and showbiz shit. It's one of the reasons why most Americans agree with big liberal policy but Dems still lose so much.

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#54 Damedius
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Yup, just as i thought. Gatygun seems to be incorrect, she never used it as a bait for racial votes. It was a decades old gaff only brought up recently by others, making her defend herself. The original claims used against her was she used this "lie" to get ahead in her career a long time ago. But this never happened.

I would say that she didn't use it to get votes. However we don't know for sure if she did it use to get ahead or not. Only she knows the answer that. We can speculate but it's hard to say for sure why she did it.

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@Damedius said:
@zaryia said:

Yup, just as i thought. Gatygun seems to be incorrect, she never used it as a bait for racial votes. It was a decades old gaff only brought up recently by others, making her defend herself. The original claims used against her was she used this "lie" to get ahead in her career a long time ago. But this never happened.

I would say that she didn't use it to get votes. However we don't know for sure if she did it use to get ahead or not. Only she knows the answer that. We can speculate but it's hard to say for sure why she did it.

The most thorough investigation on this shows she didn't use it.

They even posted pictures of her forms, https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2018/09/01/did-claiming-native-american-heritage-actually-help-elizabeth-warren-get-ahead-but-complicated/wUZZcrKKEOUv5Spnb7IO0K/story.html

Either way it's a nothing burger decades old gaff and pales in comparison to other Politician(Trump) issues. She just didn't know how to handle it.

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@zaryia said:
@tryit said:

why do democrats so easily roll over and die.

who cares what her background is or is not

Because Republicans are better at making fluff gaffs like this stick, while Democrats can't even get Trump's "grab her by the pussy", 12 sexual misconduct allegations, and "No Vacancies for Blacks" (generally career enders, much less campaign enders) to stick.

They are no good at this publicity and showbiz shit. It's one of the reasons why most Americans agree with big liberal policy but Dems still lose so much.

TYT say 'they are paid to loose'. seems about right.

Al Franken is another example of someone who should have said 'F off'

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#57  Edited By LJS9502_basic  Online
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@zaryia said:
@tryit said:

why do democrats so easily roll over and die.

who cares what her background is or is not

Because Republicans are better at making fluff gaffs like this stick, while Democrats can't even get Trump's "grab her by the pussy", 12 sexual misconduct allegations, and "No Vacancies for Blacks" (generally career enders, much less campaign enders) to stick.

They are no good at this publicity and showbiz shit. It's one of the reasons why most Americans agree with big liberal policy but Dems still lose so much.

That's because his base doesn't care.

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@zaryia said:
@n64dd said:
@zaryia said:
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Anybody can throw things up everywhere and hope something sticks.

I objectively proved @jeezers wrong. They did name policy, and policy which most Americans agree with. You can make the case that they did not name ENOUGH policy, but "not even 1" is dead wrong.

How you feel about it isn't of my concern.

Not enough people agreed or it would be passed.

That's not how things work.

And yes, most people agree with their stance on healthcare.

Seventy percent of Americans support 'Medicare for all' in new poll

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/403248-poll-seventy-percent-of-americans-support-medicare-for-all

Either way I disproved the post I quoted, you're just moving the goal post.

Why did the Obama administration fought Australia on universal health care during TPP?

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@zaryia said:
@jeezers said:

I havent heard 1 good policy from dems since trump won, all of thier ideas are about how bad orange man is, if they want to beat orange man come up with good policy. Criticising trump isnt a new idea or policy.

You can try to make the case they aren't naming enough policy rather than being anti-Trump (which isn't the worst idea considering Trump's horrific approval), but not even 1? That's a gross exaggeration. This is objectively untrue as it pertains to healthcare, climate, cannabis, and infrastructure.

https://www.mediaite.com/online/democrats-reportedly-create-2019-agenda-focused-on-health-care-infrastructure-and-reform/

And polling shows most Americans agree with those.

http://theconversation.com/why-biologics-were-such-a-big-deal-in-the-trans-pacific-partnership-48595

Australia has single out US "data-exclusivity-medications" condition as the killer to their universal health care system.

Democacts has to address US "data-exclusivity-medications" universal health care system killer ie. it's a state sponsored monopoly.

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@zaryia said:
@tryit said:

why do democrats so easily roll over and die.

who cares what her background is or is not

Because Republicans are better at making fluff gaffs like this stick, while Democrats can't even get Trump's "grab her by the pussy", 12 sexual misconduct allegations, and "No Vacancies for Blacks" (generally career enders, much less campaign enders) to stick.

They are no good at this publicity and showbiz shit. It's one of the reasons why most Americans agree with big liberal policy but Dems still lose so much.

Trump's "grab her by the pussy" is only a locker room talk which is less worst than Bill Clinton's and Monica's X rated actions

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@ronvalencia said:
@zaryia said:
@tryit said:

why do democrats so easily roll over and die.

who cares what her background is or is not

Because Republicans are better at making fluff gaffs like this stick, while Democrats can't even get Trump's "grab her by the pussy", 12 sexual misconduct allegations, and "No Vacancies for Blacks" (generally career enders, much less campaign enders) to stick.

They are no good at this publicity and showbiz shit. It's one of the reasons why most Americans agree with big liberal policy but Dems still lose so much.

Trump's "grab her by the pussy" is only a locker room talk which is less worst than Bill Clinton's and Monica's X rated actions

1. Straw-Man. Maybe locker room talk for sex offenders. Your opinion (yes, what you just wrote about locker room talk is your opinion) on Trump's Access Hollywood tape aren't relevant. I was saying how politically damaging such statements typically can be to most others. Trump is immune to stuff like this, he's very good at shrugging off things that would TANK other peoples campaigns and careers. It's how he won.

2. Straw-Man. I never discussed Clinton. I was comparing Warren's minor Native American gaff with several of Trump's exponentially worse gaffs and issues. The problem is Warren didn't know how to shrug it off, and fell into Trump's bait. For example, everything Trump says about climate change, his sexual allegations, the NYT tax fraud report, the old NY "no black vacancies" lawsuit, Trump University Lawsuit, and the Access Hollywood tape are all exponentially worse than this single Warren non-issue. But that doesn't matter, she sucks at publicity/trolling/baiting and he doesn't.

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@ronvalencia said:
@zaryia said:
@jeezers said:

I havent heard 1 good policy from dems since trump won, all of thier ideas are about how bad orange man is, if they want to beat orange man come up with good policy. Criticising trump isnt a new idea or policy.

You can try to make the case they aren't naming enough policy rather than being anti-Trump (which isn't the worst idea considering Trump's horrific approval), but not even 1? That's a gross exaggeration. This is objectively untrue as it pertains to healthcare, climate, cannabis, and infrastructure.

https://www.mediaite.com/online/democrats-reportedly-create-2019-agenda-focused-on-health-care-infrastructure-and-reform/

And polling shows most Americans agree with those.

http://theconversation.com/why-biologics-were-such-a-big-deal-in-the-trans-pacific-partnership-48595

Australia has single out US "data-exclusivity-medications" condition as the killer to their universal health care system.

Democacts has to address US "data-exclusivity-medications" universal health care system killer ie. it's a state sponsored monopoly.

Okay. I'm not sure what this has to do with anything, but the poster I quoted was still proven objectively incorrect via my post.

@ronvalencia said:

Why did the Obama administration fought Australia on universal health care during TPP?

This has nothing to do with what I posted. That was the issues for 2018 elections.

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@zaryia said:
@ronvalencia said:
@zaryia said:
@tryit said:

why do democrats so easily roll over and die.

who cares what her background is or is not

Because Republicans are better at making fluff gaffs like this stick, while Democrats can't even get Trump's "grab her by the pussy", 12 sexual misconduct allegations, and "No Vacancies for Blacks" (generally career enders, much less campaign enders) to stick.

They are no good at this publicity and showbiz shit. It's one of the reasons why most Americans agree with big liberal policy but Dems still lose so much.

Trump's "grab her by the pussy" is only a locker room talk which is less worst than Bill Clinton's and Monica's X rated actions

1. Straw-Man. Maybe locker room talk for sex offenders. Your opinion (yes, what you just wrote about locker room talk is your opinion) on Trump's Access Hollywood tape aren't relevant. I was saying how politically damaging such statements typically can be to most others. Trump is immune to stuff like this, he's very good at shrugging off things that would TANK other peoples campaigns and careers. It's how he won.

2. Straw-Man. I never discussed Clinton. I was comparing Warren's minor Native American gaff with several of Trump's exponentially worse gaffs and issues. The problem is Warren didn't know how to shrug it off, and fell into Trump's bait. For example, everything Trump says about climate change, his sexual allegations, the NYT tax fraud report, the old NY "no black vacancies" lawsuit, Trump University Lawsuit, and the Access Hollywood tape are all exponentially worse than this single Warren non-issue. But that doesn't matter, she sucks at publicity/trolling/baiting and he doesn't.

1. You argued "Democrats can't even get Trump's "grab her by the pussy"". Your statement, hence your argument.

2. Hillary Clinton was the Presidential opponent of Trump. Deal with it.

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@ronvalencia said:
@zaryia said:
@ronvalencia said:
@zaryia said:
@tryit said:

why do democrats so easily roll over and die.

who cares what her background is or is not

Because Republicans are better at making fluff gaffs like this stick, while Democrats can't even get Trump's "grab her by the pussy", 12 sexual misconduct allegations, and "No Vacancies for Blacks" (generally career enders, much less campaign enders) to stick.

They are no good at this publicity and showbiz shit. It's one of the reasons why most Americans agree with big liberal policy but Dems still lose so much.

Trump's "grab her by the pussy" is only a locker room talk which is less worst than Bill Clinton's and Monica's X rated actions

1. Straw-Man. Maybe locker room talk for sex offenders. Your opinion (yes, what you just wrote about locker room talk is your opinion) on Trump's Access Hollywood tape aren't relevant. I was saying how politically damaging such statements typically can be to most others. Trump is immune to stuff like this, he's very good at shrugging off things that would TANK other peoples campaigns and careers. It's how he won.

2. Straw-Man. I never discussed Clinton. I was comparing Warren's minor Native American gaff with several of Trump's exponentially worse gaffs and issues. The problem is Warren didn't know how to shrug it off, and fell into Trump's bait. For example, everything Trump says about climate change, his sexual allegations, the NYT tax fraud report, the old NY "no black vacancies" lawsuit, Trump University Lawsuit, and the Access Hollywood tape are all exponentially worse than this single Warren non-issue. But that doesn't matter, she sucks at publicity/trolling/baiting and he doesn't.

1. You argued "Democrats can't even get Trump's "grab her by the pussy"". Your statement, hence your argument.

2. Hillary Clinton was the Presidential opponent of Trump. Deal with it.

1. And I was correct. The Democrats couldn't get those 3 items I mentioned to stick (Access Hollywood, Sexual Allegation, Black Vacancies) while Trump is able to get this far lesser Warren issue to stick. Democrats are horrible at this PR game. What are we arguing?

2. Bill Clinton wasn't. But I was comparing Trump and Warren's PR game....

What are we even arguing about? You're so confusing.

My point is Warren sucks at this and Trump is a master at this. Trump has had exponentially more damning things come out, yet they disappear. Warren gets this fluff, and it sticks.

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@zaryia said:
@ronvalencia said:
@zaryia said:
@ronvalencia said:

Trump's "grab her by the pussy" is only a locker room talk which is less worst than Bill Clinton's and Monica's X rated actions

1. Straw-Man. Maybe locker room talk for sex offenders. Your opinion (yes, what you just wrote about locker room talk is your opinion) on Trump's Access Hollywood tape aren't relevant. I was saying how politically damaging such statements typically can be to most others. Trump is immune to stuff like this, he's very good at shrugging off things that would TANK other peoples campaigns and careers. It's how he won.

2. Straw-Man. I never discussed Clinton. I was comparing Warren's minor Native American gaff with several of Trump's exponentially worse gaffs and issues. The problem is Warren didn't know how to shrug it off, and fell into Trump's bait. For example, everything Trump says about climate change, his sexual allegations, the NYT tax fraud report, the old NY "no black vacancies" lawsuit, Trump University Lawsuit, and the Access Hollywood tape are all exponentially worse than this single Warren non-issue. But that doesn't matter, she sucks at publicity/trolling/baiting and he doesn't.

1. You argued "Democrats can't even get Trump's "grab her by the pussy"". Your statement, hence your argument.

2. Hillary Clinton was the Presidential opponent of Trump. Deal with it.

1. And I was correct. The Democrats couldn't get those 3 items I mentioned to stick (Access Hollywood, Sexual Allegation, Black Vacancies) while Trump is able to get this far lesser Warren issue to stick. Democrats are horrible at this PR game. What are we arguing?

2. Bill Clinton wasn't. But I was comparing Trump and Warren's PR game....

What are we even arguing about? You're so confusing.

My point is Warren sucks at this and Trump is a master at this. Trump has had exponentially more damning things come out, yet they disappear. Warren gets this fluff, and it sticks.

1. The level proof was shown be Bill Clinton's biological stain on Monica's dress. Allegations are not facts. Monica shouldn't have shown the dress.

2. This topic is just about Warren. You added Trump to this topic while I added Clintons. It's hypocrisy coming from you i.e. You can add another person into this topic while you disallow additional person from me. You're a hypocrite!

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@vl4d_l3nin said:
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Who gives a crap about her DNA? It should be about her politics. We live in a sad country right now when a DNA test can result in losing a shot at running for the Democratic Presidential nomination.

This stuff has been true since the television has been around. Nixon lost to Kennedy mainly because he had a sweating problem.

He was a lousy president as well so I don't know what point you think you are making..........

His point is that Nixon appeared sickly during the political debate, which made him look weak.

Those who listened said Nixon won the debate, while those who watched on TV thought that Kennedy won the debate.

This of course doesnt mean appearance is everything and could be due to factors such as who was listening and who was watching. But, it is widely acknowledged that the power of television helped Kennedy. But it would be dishonest to say that was the main reason.

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@ronvalencia said:
@zaryia said:
@tryit said:

why do democrats so easily roll over and die.

who cares what her background is or is not

Because Republicans are better at making fluff gaffs like this stick, while Democrats can't even get Trump's "grab her by the pussy", 12 sexual misconduct allegations, and "No Vacancies for Blacks" (generally career enders, much less campaign enders) to stick.

They are no good at this publicity and showbiz shit. It's one of the reasons why most Americans agree with big liberal policy but Dems still lose so much.

Trump's "grab her by the pussy" is only a locker room talk which is less worst than Bill Clinton's and Monica's X rated actions

no they are about the same actually, although Clintons thing is mariginally worse but no where near rising to a concern of impeachment.

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@ronvalencia said:
@zaryia said:
@ronvalencia said:
@zaryia said:
@tryit said:

why do democrats so easily roll over and die.

who cares what her background is or is not

Because Republicans are better at making fluff gaffs like this stick, while Democrats can't even get Trump's "grab her by the pussy", 12 sexual misconduct allegations, and "No Vacancies for Blacks" (generally career enders, much less campaign enders) to stick.

They are no good at this publicity and showbiz shit. It's one of the reasons why most Americans agree with big liberal policy but Dems still lose so much.

Trump's "grab her by the pussy" is only a locker room talk which is less worst than Bill Clinton's and Monica's X rated actions

1. Straw-Man. Maybe locker room talk for sex offenders. Your opinion (yes, what you just wrote about locker room talk is your opinion) on Trump's Access Hollywood tape aren't relevant. I was saying how politically damaging such statements typically can be to most others. Trump is immune to stuff like this, he's very good at shrugging off things that would TANK other peoples campaigns and careers. It's how he won.

2. Straw-Man. I never discussed Clinton. I was comparing Warren's minor Native American gaff with several of Trump's exponentially worse gaffs and issues. The problem is Warren didn't know how to shrug it off, and fell into Trump's bait. For example, everything Trump says about climate change, his sexual allegations, the NYT tax fraud report, the old NY "no black vacancies" lawsuit, Trump University Lawsuit, and the Access Hollywood tape are all exponentially worse than this single Warren non-issue. But that doesn't matter, she sucks at publicity/trolling/baiting and he doesn't.

1. You argued "Democrats can't even get Trump's "grab her by the pussy"". Your statement, hence your argument.

2. Hillary Clinton was the Presidential opponent of Trump. Deal with it.

1. I am have an extreemely hard time connecting that point to what he said. I dont see it, maybe draw it out for us step by step like we are 3 year olds because I dont see how one has anything to do with the other

2. same as above

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1. The level proof was shown be Bill Clinton's biological stain on Monica's dress. Allegations are not facts. Monica shouldn't have shown the dress.

2. This topic is just about Warren. You added Trump to this topic while I added Clintons. It's hypocrisy coming from you i.e. You can add another person into this topic while you disallow additional person from me. You're a hypocrite!

1. Off-topic. I never discussed this stuff.

2. I added Trump to show how bad Warren is at this publicity stuff....I'm agreeing with the OP. It's a COMPLIMENT TO TRUMP. We should be in agreement.....

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@Maroxad said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@vl4d_l3nin said:
@iambatman7986 said:

Who gives a crap about her DNA? It should be about her politics. We live in a sad country right now when a DNA test can result in losing a shot at running for the Democratic Presidential nomination.

This stuff has been true since the television has been around. Nixon lost to Kennedy mainly because he had a sweating problem.

He was a lousy president as well so I don't know what point you think you are making..........

His point is that Nixon appeared sickly during the political debate, which made him look weak.

Those who listened said Nixon won the debate, while those who watched on TV thought that Kennedy won the debate.

This of course doesnt mean appearance is everything and could be due to factors such as who was listening and who was watching. But, it is widely acknowledged that the power of television helped Kennedy. But it would be dishonest to say that was the main reason.

I know what his point was. And he's just one in a line of republican criminal presidents.