Former Brexit staffer: Why many Brexiteers forgot about the British-Irish border issue.

Should have been almost half your seats in my previous post.

They lost 21 seats, but if you think they will ever get more seats than they have now, I don´t think you are up to date as to the Scottish people. The SNP got an amazing election but I don´t believe they will ever get that back.

@Jacanuk: Yeah I figured as much. Sorry, wasn't trying to be petty picking you up on one word.

Well what's the alternative though? I can't honestly see any surge in support happening for the Tories or even Labour in Scotland at the moment.

There was a surge in support for the conservatives which is probably coming from the Brexit voters in Scotland. But SNP is running on a strange platform of independence despite it being voted down and now independence with an EU membership, despite them knowing that the membership would not be as easy and they would have to go through a normal application process.

And Scotland would have to look at their economy as well, England would, of course, withdraw a lot of jobs and companies from Scotland and there is the question about the North Sea oil as well.

At least though Labour was hit hard

Brexit is deeply unpopular in Scotland, 62% oppose it so any party actively pursuing a withdrawal from the EU is never going to win a Scottish election. Also, the victory of the No campaign was secured largely on the promise that staying a part of the UK was the only option for remaining an EU member. Then, two years later look what happened with Brexit. Just more broken promises from Westminster.

I don't blame the Scots for wanting to go it alone at this point. I only wish that Plaid Cymru were at the level the SNP are now, however Welsh independence is far less practical than Scottish independence or Irish reunification.

You're right, it would be a messy breakup particularly with regards to the North Sea oil ownership. Still think it would serve Scotland better to strike out on their own rather than be tied to a sinking ship with the rest of us. Not like it would be any more complicated to negotiate or damaging than Brexit.

Yes, Labour was didn't bounce back as much as the Tories. Only picked up 6 seats. At least UKIP only received 0.2% of the vote though, so that's nice.

Can anybody update me on why the delays? Supposed to get out of EU by March 29 right? Just get out, no deal. I personally think from an outsider perspective that the free trade zone and open borders with EU can be negotiated at a later time.

It's time Scotland got off this sinking ship.

To avoid a mess.

Scotland's population size is ~5.4 million and it's government services are subsidized by the government in London.

Read

https://www.theguardian.com/business/nils-pratley-on-finance/2017/may/23/london-uk-scotland-ons-brexit-scottish-independence

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14701901.uk-subsidy-to-scotland-soars-after-oil-price-slump/

In terms of government budget situation, New Zealand (4.7 million population) is in better position when compared to Scotland.

https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/368268/government-books-reveal-a-dollar5-5-billion-surplus

New Zealand Government books reveal a $5.5 billion surplus

NZ federal government is Labor+NZ First nationalist parties with a budget surplus.

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Aussie's Sydney city's GDP 2018 is $443.0 billion USD with population size of ~5.5 million

Scotland's GDP 2018 is $237.618 billion USD with population size of ~5.4 million <---- lazy Scots :p

From a local political cartoonist here in Utah.

What is the status quo now? Still up for leaving on April 12?

Nope, There is a massive meeting today and May have asked for a june deadline now with a handbrake that allows them to step out before if they reach a deal.

EU has offered a year deadline in hopes that it will give them time to do the 2nd referendum and cancel Article 50.

EU hasn't decided on what to offer from what I read. The President suggested up to a year, Macron suggested December this year as latest, with updates every 3 months or so. Others suggest no extended deadline at all.

You cherry pick...

@horgen: Not cherry picking, just looking at the two main points only.

If I had to look at every single one I would have to bring 27 different points which are for most completely irrelevant

Looks like people are still debating at the EU

But now most are in favour of Tusk´s long extension and France looks to be pretty alone in their short extension.

The final date (for now) will be October 31st.

Could offer the most opposing views though. So we get the range of possible extension in this case.

Anyhow I am removing the pin on this topic due to the long extension on the deadline. New topics about Brexit are OK again.

Ya should have especially since France with Macron seems to be the country who may at some point be the odd man out and simply force the UK out.

Which is not a surprise considering France was also the country that stopped the UK from joining for almost a decade at the start.