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#1  Edited By deactivated-63d1ad7651984
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Is it worth getting angry, frustrated and depressed over? there's only so much control we have to make a change. We have voting although now that's not a sure thing anymore these days. Also the majority of these politicians are paid off they don't really care about making any real change all they care about is how much money they can get from their donors. For me I might quit politics next year I'm starting to think I would rather watch things that make me feel good not bad. It seems to me politics could be bad for your health in the long run and it's just not worth the BS anymore that's just me though. Not saying I'm hundred percent quitting but I'm definitely starting to realize it might not be worth it for me anymore. What about you?

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Everyone I know personally that REALLY gets into politics is constantly pissed about something. Not the way I want to go through life. I think there's a healthy way to stay informed and vote accordingly. Then there's just dwelling on it and obsessing and being miserable. There will ALWAYS be someone being promised something by a politician and it will always come at someone else's expense.

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Isn't following politics kind of necessary for democracy to function?

If you want to enact informed and meaningful change, you have to be in the game. Otherwise, others will make the changes they want in the vacuum you leave behind.

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You ask a very good question.

“Lord grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.”

If you are getting angry, frustrated or depressed, I would stop following it unless you can learn to cope with it. If you can't and still want to be involved in politics, maybe start locally in your own city and or state. This is somewhere where you are more likely to make a difference.

I myself went through a phase where I went through the same emotions you describe and it took me realizing that getting my emotions wrapped up in things I can't control is futile. It does no one any good and just hurts me. It took me realizing that I had to detach myself because I couldn't change it.

I still follow politics but don't let it consume anymore.

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#5 Master_Live
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Follow it, just know when to take a timeout, I do it all the time. I follow sports, watch a ridiculous amount of movies/series, (used to) play video games and I keep an eye on politics. When one is getting you down just rotate.

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#6 horgen  Moderator
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If you opt out there is even less chance of a change for the better to come from it.

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#7 Damedius
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@horgen said:

If you opt out there is even less chance of a change for the better to come from it.

Just following politics doesn't change it though.

If following it makes you angry, frustrated and depressed, then the only thing you are changing is your own well being, negatively.

Just following politics is passive. You are a spectator watching events unfold.

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Following politics on the internet is one of the problems we have right now. People read inflammatory articles on all sides, get mad at people they see commmenting that they will never meet, and then create an archetypal enemy in their head that probably is not based on anyone they’ve ever known in real life. If we spent more time talking to human beings in person in a civilized way and less time getting pissed in the comment section of Facebook, we would come a long way towards healing.

Personally, these forums are one of the only places I go on the internet where discussion happens any more and I am WAY happier and less stressed as a result. No Facebook, Twitter or even Reddit for me. Highly recommended.

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Personally, these forums are one of the only places I go on the internet where discussion happens any more and I am WAY happier and less stressed as a result. No Facebook, Twitter or even Reddit for me. Highly recommended.

@crunchymix:

Says the guy with a two digit posts.

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@watercrack445:

...yes, yes I do. :)

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It's really soured gaming.

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#12  Edited By Gaming-Planet
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Politics can mean life or death for you, so yes, in some aspects it is important to follow.

No need to follow a every bit of a circus show though, when most is hyped up by the media for clicks.

Have a rational view on things and don't take things too personal. What you encounter online and see on the media is not representative of the real world.

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#13  Edited By vl4d_l3nin
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It's your choice. I think the internet is a great place for discussing politics in a fun way, but it doesn't really do much. If you don't find it entertaining, then there is no point.

@todddow said:

There will ALWAYS be someone being promised something by a politician and it will always come at someone else's expense.

Usually at millions of people's expense.

I don't think I've ever seen you post on this board, yet you say something that so many people here don't understand. Well played.

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The answer to your question is, I think, two questions: "Is ignorance bliss?" and "can we actually change things?" To the first, I would unequivocally say no. Even if I did think I could be happy ignoring the news, I would never be able to ignore it when I saw something wrong happening to someone else as a result of political decisions. Take that family separation policy for example, I would be just as pissed upon hearing about that while not following news as I would be while not following news, and afterward I wouldn't be able to keep ignoring the news. I'd be too worried that something else like that would sneak by me and I wouldn't know about it. Take the crap going on in Wisconsin and Michigan for example. I'm sure that's a story that would be likely to slip by me entirely if I wasn't an avid news-follower, but it would still negatively impact me. I'd still be frustrated by the way democracy is undermined and my preferred party kept from implementing their policy, but I wouldn't understand why it's going on. I'd much rather know why. As a counter-example, I used to get pretty frustrated trying to understand why some countries seemed to prefer states of chaos to democracy. Why couldn't Iraqis, for example, construct a functioning democracy after Saddam? Was democracy just doomed in that part of the world? When I read a bit more about the invasion, post-invasion, and the "democratic" process of rebuilding the Iraqi government the entire issue made more sense to me. Yes, I was pissed as hell by what I read and no, I couldn't do anything about it. Still, knowing the facts and understanding the conflict was better than just being constantly confused. I might have been angrier, but I was less anxious, if that makes any sense.

Now, as to whether or not we can actually change things, I think this is one of those answers that can't be conclusively answered until we actually live the results. History provides evidence for both sides. On the one hand, large-scale change and especially democratic change are the exceptions throughout history. Considered solely on the grounds of probability, it's a minor miracle that we've been able to maintain a semi-democratic government for the past almost 250 years, to say nothing of all the other democracies around the world. There's also the fact that every empire in history has collapsed in around 350 years (average), and, depending on how you classify our empire, we're at or past the expiration date. That bodes very poorly for our ability to enact meaningful change. That being said, there have been some very out of the ordinary occurrences in history, the American Revolution in particular and the subsequent establishment of a democratic republic in a world of autocratic monarchies being a stark example. Whether or not that gives you hope is all up to you. Yes, it could happen again, but what are the chances that historic luck would strike the same nation twice? And yes, the entrenched forces seem all-powerful, but so did the British Army back in the day, so did Napoleon's army to British forces, so did the French Monarchy to Robespierre, so did the Russian Monarchy to Lenin, so did the Berlin Wall to East Berliners, so did the French invaders to Toussaint L'Ouverture. You never really know how a historic victory can be won until it's won.

The one thing I will say is this, you never get the change you want if you don't fight for it. If you fight for it you may not get it, but if you don't then you definitely won't. Voting alone won't change things, protesting alone won't change things, donating alone won't change things, volunteering alone won't change things, arguing alone won't change things, being informed alone won't change things. But the more people do all of those things the more they'll start to accumulate, the more they'll matter, the better the chance that we actually can change things. You may not live to see it, but that doesn't mean what you did doesn't matter. The more you know about what's going on the more you can speak out about what you dislike, and the more you speak out the more people will hear you, the harder it gets for the people in charge to keep getting away with what they're doing. Even the Stasi would drop what they were doing and run when their victims cried out and drew attention to themselves. It is one of the most effective tactics against repression bar none, even if it doesn't always work. Knowing this, even if the news pisses me off it's a good kind of pissed. It's the kind that helps me keep sight on what I believe and lose focus on what isn't as important. It's the kind that reminds of what Plato said: "a good man can never be harmed, in life or in death." The goal of repressive forces is always the same: to break your mind and force you to submit to their worldview. So long as you have knowledge they can never do that.

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Following politics on the internet is one of the problems we have right now. People read inflammatory articles on all sides, get mad at people they see commmenting that they will never meet, and then create an archetypal enemy in their head that probably is not based on anyone they’ve ever known in real life. If we spent more time talking to human beings in person in a civilized way and less time getting pissed in the comment section of Facebook, we would come a long way towards healing.

Personally, these forums are one of the only places I go on the internet where discussion happens any more and I am WAY happier and less stressed as a result. No Facebook, Twitter or even Reddit for me. Highly recommended.

That may sometimes be the case, but in my experience it's just the opposite. I know plenty of people whom I talk to on a fairly consistent basis who fit the common archetype all too well, and spending time talking to them in a civilized way gets me nowhere. At least half the time they're the ones breaking civility and being aggressive and insulting because they can't force everyone into buying into their worldview wholesale. The rest of the time they're perfectly civil so long as no one ever says word one challenging their beliefs, but the second someone makes even the slightest statement that conflicts with their beliefs they start flinging around accusations and questioning people's character. In fact, even though at least half the time I'm here I'm arguing with someone, I'd say I have better interactions on this site than I ever have with people I talk to in person about politics.

I will say this, I think that in person people are more likely to consider the other person's whole experiences, whereas on the internet I think we just view people as a statement that either conflicts with what we think or conforms to it. That being said, I don't think you should jump to the conclusion that people who interact with other people in person are always or even mostly interested in considering other people's entire perspective. One thing I've learned so far in life, there are a lot of shitty people who just don't give a **** about anyone but themselves, and as many people as you think are like this, there are probably more. I don't know if I'd say they're a majority, but there's a lot of them. The internet isn't making these people shitty, reading the news isn't making these people shitty, they're just ****ing shitty for whatever reason, and they're going to be shitty to others no matter where they are. All those times you've gotten angry at people on Facebook or wherever? I guarantee that plenty of them, when they logged off and left their house, got into an argument with a friend or family member, or decided to go ruin the day of some poor cashier or waiter, or said some insensitive shit to some random person on the street just because they're ****ed and they take it out on other people. The internet didn't invent people like that, it just gave them a bigger platform.

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@Damedius said:
@horgen said:

If you opt out there is even less chance of a change for the better to come from it.

Just following politics doesn't change it though.

If following it makes you angry, frustrated and depressed, then the only thing you are changing is your own well being, negatively.

Just following politics is passive. You are a spectator watching events unfold.

I meant as in not voting, or voting uninformed.

If politics makes you angry or depressed, you got to change how you approach it. As you get older, try to remember which politicians have a history of doing this or that.

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Well it is better to be educated on the subject and vote since it does have consequences.

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Politics is stupid and it doesn't really mean anything.

Money is the true ruler and anything other than that is a distraction.

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@theone86 said:

That may sometimes be the case, but in my experience it's just the opposite. I know plenty of people whom I talk to on a fairly consistent basis who fit the common archetype all too well, and spending time talking to them in a civilized way gets me nowhere. At least half the time they're the ones breaking civility and being aggressive and insulting because they can't force everyone into buying into their worldview wholesale. The rest of the time they're perfectly civil so long as no one ever says word one challenging their beliefs, but the second someone makes even the slightest statement that conflicts with their beliefs they start flinging around accusations and questioning people's character. In fact, even though at least half the time I'm here I'm arguing with someone, I'd say I have better interactions on this site than I ever have with people I talk to in person about politics.

I can attest to that. I tread very carefully when talking about politics in person due to having had some similar experiences.

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The reason we have the governments we do is because of voter apathy towards the leaders of their countries. If more people followed politics and got involved, we'd have governments that better reflect what the people actually want.

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Current political climate is pretty horrible, especially considering living conditions are not so bad. The volume and level of accusations are both very exaggerated. So I can see why you want to turn off the noise so to speak.

I disagree with all politicians just being in it for the money though. It may seem like that, but I don't think that's how people work, unless they are psychopaths. I'm sure most of them do care and some of them care a lot. Not a fan of how cynical people are these days, may be self-fulfilling.

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#21 Sevenizz
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If you don’t follow politics, how can you properly vote?

It’s like some videos I’ve seen on YouTube. Someone will ask a blue haired protester wacko a basic question about the political climate, and they can’t drum up an educated answer. They’re literally there as a fashion statement.

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@Sushiglutton said:

Current political climate is pretty horrible, especially considering living conditions are not so bad. The volume and level of accusations are both very exaggerated. So I can see why you want to turn off the noise so to speak.

I disagree with all politicians just being in it for the money though. It may seem like that, but I don't think that's how people work, unless they are psychopaths. I'm sure most of them do care and some of them care a lot. Not a fan of how cynical people are these days, may be self-fulfilling.

They're actually pretty bad and getting worse for plenty of people. If you look up any article about the quality of life for Americans, not only was it already lagging most other developed nations but it's getting worse for younger Americans in just about every regard. Anxiety, depression, and related diseases are going up. Access to healthcare is going down. Rents are going up and wages are not keeping pace. Debt is placing a large burden on American's ability to save for things like retirement and homebuying. Large swaths of America are being hit with layoffs, and communities are falling into disrepair and drug epidemics. There is a large and growing segment of the American population that is being faced with the prospect of persistent poverty throughout their lifetimes, and when they turn to the government for political solutions all they get in response is a bunch of talk about border walls and tax breaks for billionaires. Things are very bad, and the really disappointing part is that just when there's a great possibility to address some of these problems before they reach the point where things do get terrible, people are talking about just tuning out. Do you want to reach the point where living conditions are completely terrible before we take any action at all, or would you rather take preventative measures to ensure we don't get to that point in the first place?

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@theone86 said:

The answer to your question is, I think, two questions: "Is ignorance bliss?" and "can we actually change things?" To the first, I would unequivocally say no. Even if I did think I could be happy ignoring the news, I would never be able to ignore it when I saw something wrong happening to someone else as a result of political decisions. Take that family separation policy for example, I would be just as pissed upon hearing about that while not following news as I would be while not following news, and afterward I wouldn't be able to keep ignoring the news. I'd be too worried that something else like that would sneak by me and I wouldn't know about it. Take the crap going on in Wisconsin and Michigan for example. I'm sure that's a story that would be likely to slip by me entirely if I wasn't an avid news-follower, but it would still negatively impact me. I'd still be frustrated by the way democracy is undermined and my preferred party kept from implementing their policy, but I wouldn't understand why it's going on. I'd much rather know why. As a counter-example, I used to get pretty frustrated trying to understand why some countries seemed to prefer states of chaos to democracy. Why couldn't Iraqis, for example, construct a functioning democracy after Saddam? Was democracy just doomed in that part of the world? When I read a bit more about the invasion, post-invasion, and the "democratic" process of rebuilding the Iraqi government the entire issue made more sense to me. Yes, I was pissed as hell by what I read and no, I couldn't do anything about it. Still, knowing the facts and understanding the conflict was better than just being constantly confused. I might have been angrier, but I was less anxious, if that makes any sense.

Now, as to whether or not we can actually change things, I think this is one of those answers that can't be conclusively answered until we actually live the results. History provides evidence for both sides. On the one hand, large-scale change and especially democratic change are the exceptions throughout history. Considered solely on the grounds of probability, it's a minor miracle that we've been able to maintain a semi-democratic government for the past almost 250 years, to say nothing of all the other democracies around the world. There's also the fact that every empire in history has collapsed in around 350 years (average), and, depending on how you classify our empire, we're at or past the expiration date. That bodes very poorly for our ability to enact meaningful change. That being said, there have been some very out of the ordinary occurrences in history, the American Revolution in particular and the subsequent establishment of a democratic republic in a world of autocratic monarchies being a stark example. Whether or not that gives you hope is all up to you. Yes, it could happen again, but what are the chances that historic luck would strike the same nation twice? And yes, the entrenched forces seem all-powerful, but so did the British Army back in the day, so did Napoleon's army to British forces, so did the French Monarchy to Robespierre, so did the Russian Monarchy to Lenin, so did the Berlin Wall to East Berliners, so did the French invaders to Toussaint L'Ouverture. You never really know how a historic victory can be won until it's won.

The one thing I will say is this, you never get the change you want if you don't fight for it. If you fight for it you may not get it, but if you don't then you definitely won't. Voting alone won't change things, protesting alone won't change things, donating alone won't change things, volunteering alone won't change things, arguing alone won't change things, being informed alone won't change things. But the more people do all of those things the more they'll start to accumulate, the more they'll matter, the better the chance that we actually can change things. You may not live to see it, but that doesn't mean what you did doesn't matter. The more you know about what's going on the more you can speak out about what you dislike, and the more you speak out the more people will hear you, the harder it gets for the people in charge to keep getting away with what they're doing. Even the Stasi would drop what they were doing and run when their victims cried out and drew attention to themselves. It is one of the most effective tactics against repression bar none, even if it doesn't always work. Knowing this, even if the news pisses me off it's a good kind of pissed. It's the kind that helps me keep sight on what I believe and lose focus on what isn't as important. It's the kind that reminds of what Plato said: "a good man can never be harmed, in life or in death." The goal of repressive forces is always the same: to break your mind and force you to submit to their worldview. So long as you have knowledge they can never do that.

@crunchymix said:

Following politics on the internet is one of the problems we have right now. People read inflammatory articles on all sides, get mad at people they see commmenting that they will never meet, and then create an archetypal enemy in their head that probably is not based on anyone they’ve ever known in real life. If we spent more time talking to human beings in person in a civilized way and less time getting pissed in the comment section of Facebook, we would come a long way towards healing.

Personally, these forums are one of the only places I go on the internet where discussion happens any more and I am WAY happier and less stressed as a result. No Facebook, Twitter or even Reddit for me. Highly recommended.

That may sometimes be the case, but in my experience it's just the opposite. I know plenty of people whom I talk to on a fairly consistent basis who fit the common archetype all too well, and spending time talking to them in a civilized way gets me nowhere. At least half the time they're the ones breaking civility and being aggressive and insulting because they can't force everyone into buying into their worldview wholesale. The rest of the time they're perfectly civil so long as no one ever says word one challenging their beliefs, but the second someone makes even the slightest statement that conflicts with their beliefs they start flinging around accusations and questioning people's character. In fact, even though at least half the time I'm here I'm arguing with someone, I'd say I have better interactions on this site than I ever have with people I talk to in person about politics.

I will say this, I think that in person people are more likely to consider the other person's whole experiences, whereas on the internet I think we just view people as a statement that either conflicts with what we think or conforms to it. That being said, I don't think you should jump to the conclusion that people who interact with other people in person are always or even mostly interested in considering other people's entire perspective. One thing I've learned so far in life, there are a lot of shitty people who just don't give a **** about anyone but themselves, and as many people as you think are like this, there are probably more. I don't know if I'd say they're a majority, but there's a lot of them. The internet isn't making these people shitty, reading the news isn't making these people shitty, they're just ****ing shitty for whatever reason, and they're going to be shitty to others no matter where they are. All those times you've gotten angry at people on Facebook or wherever? I guarantee that plenty of them, when they logged off and left their house, got into an argument with a friend or family member, or decided to go ruin the day of some poor cashier or waiter, or said some insensitive shit to some random person on the street just because they're ****ed and they take it out on other people. The internet didn't invent people like that, it just gave them a bigger platform.

Disagreed.

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@crunchymix said:

Following politics on the internet is one of the problems we have right now. People read inflammatory articles on all sides, get mad at people they see commmenting that they will never meet, and then create an archetypal enemy in their head that probably is not based on anyone they’ve ever known in real life. If we spent more time talking to human beings in person in a civilized way and less time getting pissed in the comment section of Facebook, we would come a long way towards healing.

Personally, these forums are one of the only places I go on the internet where discussion happens any more and I am WAY happier and less stressed as a result. No Facebook, Twitter or even Reddit for me. Highly recommended.

Meh, it's tame these days man. About five years ago you'd get celebrity death news in off topic before google news feed, and if you wanted two people to quote themselves into an orgy of chaos you'd just say abortion. Abortion and religion, abortion and republican, abortion and ice cream.

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#27  Edited By KungfuKitten
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It can be. I am a firm believer that in the age of the internet when we can all talk together, a certain percentage of people must be involved in politics, to avoid politics steering a country into a war or a wall.

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#28  Edited By deactivated-63d1ad7651984
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I know nobody cares nor should they but I made up my mind. I'm freeing myself from politics f#ck em all have fun guys I'm done with this shit.

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@warmblur: Cool story bro.

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@warmblur said:

Is it worth getting angry, frustrated and depressed over? there's only so much control we have to make a change. We have voting although now that's not a sure thing anymore these days. Also the majority of these politicians are paid off they don't really care about making any real change all they care about is how much money they can get from their donors. For me I might quit politics next year I'm starting to think I would rather watch things that make me feel good not bad. It seems to me politics could be bad for your health in the long run and it's just not worth the BS anymore that's just me though. Not saying I'm hundred percent quitting but I'm definitely starting to realize it might not be worth it for me anymore. What about you?

Democracy works by participation and it´s normal to get upset over things, but if you get depressed or as angry as we have seen on this board or in Murcia, then the problem is not the democracy it´s you and you should seek help.

Democracy works by you not always being on the "winning" side and sometimes you are the minority but you still respect and treat the other side the same. as you expect them to treat you.

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#31 Serraph105
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@warmblur: Sounds like an adult enough decision to me. Gotta keep yourself in good mental health and all that.

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#32 mrbojangles25
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@mattbbpl said:

Isn't following politics kind of necessary for democracy to function?

If you want to enact informed and meaningful change, you have to be in the game. Otherwise, others will make the changes they want in the vacuum you leave behind.

Well said. Honestly I'd rather someone be an informed opponent to my vote than an uninformed ally.

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@warmblur said:

Is it worth getting angry, frustrated and depressed over? there's only so much control we have to make a change. We have voting although now that's not a sure thing anymore these days. Also the majority of these politicians are paid off they don't really care about making any real change all they care about is how much money they can get from their donors. For me I might quit politics next year I'm starting to think I would rather watch things that make me feel good not bad. It seems to me politics could be bad for your health in the long run and it's just not worth the BS anymore that's just me though. Not saying I'm hundred percent quitting but I'm definitely starting to realize it might not be worth it for me anymore. What about you?

Democracy works by participation and it´s normal to get upset over things, but if you get depressed or as angry as we have seen on this board or in Murcia, then the problem is not the democracy it´s you and you should seek help.

Democracy works by you not always being on the "winning" side and sometimes you are the minority but you still respect and treat the other side the same. as you expect them to treat you.

To add to this good point, it helps to remain objective, and know your politicians. They are, for the most part, predictable so in truth one should not be surprised (aka disappointed) when things go one way or another. Or nowhere :P

Democracy is not a competition, and there is no "us vs them" to it, though it might appear that way. There are policies and ideals you support, and representatives who either share that or don't. There are no enemies.

Just my $0.02 I don't like seeing or having hurt feelings over politics.

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#33 zeroyaoi
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Of course! You’d be an uninformed Trump supporter otherwise.

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