Mass shooting in Texas church

Exactly. The chance of it affecting me, personally, is next to nothing, so why bother?

/sarcasm

America is so stunningly corrupt, that NOTHING will ever be done, as long as shit hole organizations get to keep funneling money into the government in the form of bribery, nothing will ever be done. What a disgusting pile of garbage this country has become...

What does that have to do with an insane person shooting up a church?

I mean, if people want to address gun deaths, better to address handguns. You'll get more bang for you buck. Mass shootings get all the press, but while awful, they are miniscule compared to the much higher rate of death from handguns.

I wouldn't say as much corrupt as it's the design of the political system. It's hard for congress to pass anything regardless of the particular bill. There are a incredible amount of checks in the system that make it difficult to pass significant laws.

Because laws are never passed to curtail these damn tragedies.

That's a bit offensive in its implication.

In the case of this particular shooting, the vast majority of the blame goes to the USAF for failing to report his court-martial conviction to NCIC. If they did what they were supposed to do, then even though he wasn't given a Dishonorable Discharge, the Launtenberg Amendment would have kicked in and barred him from legally purchasing a firearm.

Passing a new law probably wouldn't have helped in this particular shooting, although bringing the hammer down on the Air Force personnel responsible for reporting his conviction that failed to do so may help prevent it from happening again. That doesn't mean passing new laws wouldn't help in other shootings where the shooter purchased the gun legally, although how much it would help depends on each incident.

Of all the things the Bible advocates for, "Thou shalt not kill" is the one I wish Christians conservatives would most feel the need to force upon others when a mass shooting happens. It's fun to talk about it for abortion, but not a peep is mentioned when this sort of thing occurs.

Elaborate on the offense please. These are not my words or intention...this is the word of God(paraphrased as not to sound preachy). However to be literal about it-

God says Touch not mine anointed and do my prophets no harm.

God also says It is mine to avenge; I will repay. In due time their foot will slip; their day of disaster is near and their doom rushes upon them.”

And He says For we know him who said, “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” and again, “The Lord will judge his people.”

There are several other passages in the bible that expound on my point I'm sure but these are the ones I know from memory and don't have to look up. It speaks to God protecting the righteous.

I agree. Too often when events tragedies strike like this Christians congregate ad pray for the families of the fallen. They often collect resources(financial or otherwise) for the aggrieved. Rarely do they speak about that particular commandment in my experience. We do speak on God's love and his protection, and his wrath however.

I just don't know why tragedies like this are befalling our nation so often. It boggles my mind.

Beautifully said, Stephen:

This wasn't religiously motivated. It was a domestic.

I'm referring to the response Christians conservatives have towards mass shootings as opposed to the motivations of the shooters.

Well that particular brand of Christian conservatives love their guns. So they won't speak out and Congress will do nothing and we'll continue to see these tragedies play out. History will not look kindly on this period of time.

@LJS9502_basic: Well that can be discussed but no one knows for sure since we can´t ask him.

But a good bet is that this nuts insane atheists rants and attitude towards religous people it was not random he chose the church.

@nintendoboy16: Some of what he said was ok. But vote? Who will you vote for. Democrats or republicans they all don´t care.

Sandy hook was under Obama and that was by far the worst mass.shooting in US history and nothing got done

At a news conference Monday, law enforcement officials explained that the gunman — identified by police as 26-year-old Devin Patrick Kelley — had sent threatening text messages to his mother-in-law, who is a parishioner at the First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, Texas.

Currently, officials say they do not believe the attack was racially or religiously motivated.

"One thing everybody wants to know is, 'Why did this happen?' It's a senseless crime," said Freeman Martin of the Texas Department of Public Safety. "But we can tell you it was a domestic situation going on within this family."

@drlostrib: And? Again if this was purely a domestic situation , you think he would pick a crowded church and not make sure the parents was in there first.

But nice try

nice try? It's from the officials investigating.

Ironic since you come in here and tell others to educate themselves while you can't spend a minute educating yourself.

And? Again you think he picked the church randomly?

I never said the major reason was not domestic problems.

No, where did I say i thought anything like that

All I did was post an article quote that investigators currently don't think it was religiously motivated

Those guys who chased after him were very brave.

Saying the main reason is domestic does not mean there was not a religious motivation also.

Clearly his anti-religion rants and his ex-inlaws religous nature had some impact.

http://nypost.com/2017/11/06/ex-friends-say-shooter-was-creepy-atheist-who-berated-religious-people/

@Jacanuk: You were wrong about the Rand Paul motive.........and you're wrong about this.

I'll stick with what the investigators are doing

What are you on about?

Or no i know it´s the usual random shit you post when you are proven wrong again and again.

Yeah no. YOUR INSISTENCE that it was political has been proven wrong. There wasn't a doubt it would be and you've been proven wrong here as well.

Are you drunk? i even wrote in the post that it could be something simple as a neighbourly squabble.

At least stick to the facts and not try to alter them. or wait nvm, how else would you have them fit in your lies.

What I mean is, is it more wise for shooters to trespass against non-believers? Is there some lesser consequence to the killer in judgement if those people they slaughtered aren't among the righteous? Does that protection falter?

All victims of all mass shootings are equal in their value as humans, and it is equally unwise to trespass against them, not because of God's role, but because of simple humanism and respect.

@MirkoS77: I agree with your statement in a vacuum. All human lives have equal value. It is unwise to trespass against any of them. Again, the quotes above are not my words, but the words of God[as chronicled in the Holy Bible] to his people.

According to God, there are privileges afforded those who have formed a covenant with Him.

The vast majority of mass shootings are from hand guns...

@waahahah: Seems a lot more difficult for something like that to happen with handguns... Not saying it couldn't, just seems less likely.

@joshrmeyer: You're also ruling out the good guy with an AR-15 who intervened.

He was an idiot.

He saved lives

He could just as easily shot others firing his gun off. As for saving lives....that's unknown since he shot the perp while he was already leaving the church. And we don't take the law into our own hands in this country.

@LJS9502_basic: False. The shooter was finishing people off, execution style INSIDE the church. A woman recollected the killer was a mere second away from slaying her when Willeford (good guy) appeared.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/11/07/inside-the-texas-church-she-thought-it-was-her-turn-to-die-then-outside-a-man-appeared/?utm_term=.00af519dce3e

Steven Crowder also did a 40 minute interview with the guy, who detailed the event a hell of a lot better than the media did.

As Kelley left the church, he was confronted by local resident and former NRA firearms instructor Stephen Willeford,^[17] armed with an AR-15 pattern semi-automatic rifle. Willeford took cover behind a truck and shot Kelley twice.

He's going to make himself into a hero but the facts don't say that.

A guy with a gun stopped it from being worse and you're spinning it as fast as you can.

Where were the good guys in Vegas or Charleston? What about VA tech or Columbine?

Of course the NRA would go on to with this whole savior bullshit. It fits their narrative, regardless of the statistics and facts that more guns = more deaths.

Technically he can be charged with a crime. And should be IMO. He didn't shoot the man while he was shooting up the church....he shot him as he was leaving. We cannot allow citizens to take the law into their own hands. If we do.....we're not a country of laws anymore.

Personally I think gun ownership has become the problem.

@LJS9502_basic: Wikipedia? The citation links to an article that accurately portrays Willefords actions. Article is also titled "I'm not a Hero". Try reading your sources

http://time.com/5012688/stephen-willeford-interview-texas-church/

@vl4d_l3nin: I'd prefer witness accounts. Not his statements. And he's still not law enforcement.

Edit: Also Time was the source.

I initially gave you a witness account and you disregarded it. You just want to believe your own bias. Nothing points to Willeford being any kind of danger to anyone, other than the killer.

Bias? That's a very strange word to use because I don't want citizens shooting guns off at each other..............

So....if you can stop somebody from murdering multiple people, you should let them murder people until the police got there.

How are you not banned for trolling yet?

Because you're the troll. Having a different opinion is not trolling. You really need to learn what words mean. Second why didn't he call the police rather than grab a gun? And shooting out in public no matter the reason can create casualties of non participants.

lol

Most of the time a gun is used to save a life, or prevent a crime it's never fired. What happened in Texas is extremely rare.