NYT article on illegal workers in Trump's NJ golf club

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BEDMINSTER, N.J. — During more than five years as a housekeeper at the Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster, N.J., Victorina Morales has made Donald J. Trump’s bed, cleaned his toilet and dusted his crystal golf trophies. When he visited as president, she was directed to wear a pin in the shape of the American flag adorned with a Secret Service logo.

Because of the “outstanding” support she has provided during Mr. Trump’s visits, Ms. Morales in July was given a certificate from the White House Communications Agency inscribed with her name.

Quite an achievement for an undocumented immigrant housekeeper.

Ms. Morales’s journey from cultivating corn in rural Guatemala to fluffing pillows at an exclusive golf resort took her from the southwest border, where she said she crossed illegally in 1999, to the horse country of New Jersey, where she was hired at the Trump property in 2013 with documents she said were phony.

She said she was not the only worker at the club who was in the country illegally.

Sandra Diaz, 46, a native of Costa Rica who is now a legal resident of the United States, said she, too, was undocumented when she worked at Bedminster between 2010 and 2013. The two women said they worked for years as part of a group of housekeeping, maintenance and landscaping employees at the golf club that included a number of undocumented workers, though they could not say precisely how many. There is no evidence that Mr. Trump or Trump Organization executives knew of their immigration status. But at least two supervisors at the club were aware of it, the women said, and took steps to help workers evade detection and keep their jobs.

“There are many people without papers,” said Ms. Diaz, who said she witnessed several people being hired whom she knew to be undocumented.

Mr. Trump has made border security and the fight to protect jobs for Americans a cornerstone of his presidency, from the border wall he has pledged to build to the workplace raids and payroll audits that his administration has carried out.

During the presidential campaign, when the Trump International Hotel opened for business in Washington, Mr. Trump boasted that he had used an electronic verification system, E-Verify, to ensure that only those legally entitled to work were hired.

“We didn’t have one illegal immigrant on the job,” Mr. Trump said then.

But throughout his campaign and his administration, Ms. Morales, 45, has been reporting for work at Mr. Trump’s golf course in Bedminster, where she is still on the payroll. An employee of the golf course drives her and a group of others to work every day, she says, because it is known that they cannot legally obtain driver’s licenses.

A diminutive woman with only two years of education who came to the United States speaking no English, Ms. Morales has had an unusual window into one of the president’s favorite retreats: She has cleaned the president’s villa while he watched television nearby; she stood on the sidelines when potential cabinet members were brought in for interviews and when the White House chief of staff, John Kelly, arrived to confer with the president.

“I never imagined, as an immigrant from the countryside in Guatemala, that I would see such important people close up,” she said.

But Ms. Morales said she has been hurt by Mr. Trump’s public comments since he became president, including equating Latin American immigrants with violent criminals. It was that, she said, along with abusive comments from a supervisor at work about her intelligence and immigration status, that made her feel that she could no longer keep silent.

“We are tired of the abuse, the insults, the way he talks about us when he knows that we are here helping him make money,” she said. “We sweat it out to attend to his every need and have to put up with his humiliation.”

Ms. Morales and Ms. Diaz approached The New York Times through their New Jersey lawyer, Anibal Romero, who is representing them on immigration matters. Ms. Morales said that she understood she could be fired or deported as a result of coming forward, though she has applied for protection under the asylum laws. She is also exploring a lawsuit claiming workplace abuse and discrimination.

In separate, hourslong interviews in Spanish, Ms. Morales and Ms. Diaz provided detailed accounts of their work at the club and their interactions with management, including Mr. Trump. Both women described the president as demanding but kind, sometimes offering hefty tips.

While they were often unclear on precise dates of when events occurred, they appeared to recollect key events and conversations with precision.

Ms. Morales has had dealings with Mr. Trump that go back years, and her husband has confirmed that she would on occasion come home jubilant because the club owner had paid her a compliment, or bestowed on her a $50 or sometimes a $100 tip.

To ascertain that she was in fact an employee of the club, The Times reviewed Ms. Morales’s pay stubs and W-2 forms, which list the golf course as her employer. She also made available her Individual Taxpayer Identification, a nine-digit number that is issued by the Internal Revenue Service to foreigners to enable them to file taxes without being permanent residents of the United States. Having a number does not confer eligibility to work.

The Times also examined the documents Ms. Morales presented as proof that she was entitled to work — a permanent resident card, or green card, and a Social Security card, both of which she said she purchased from someone in New Jersey who produced counterfeit documents for immigrants.

The Times ran Ms. Morales’s purported Social Security number through several public records databases and none produced a match, which is often an indication that the number is not valid. The number on the back of the green card that Ms. Morales has on file at the golf course does not correspond to the format of numbers used on most legitimate resident cards. For example, it includes initials that do not match those of any immigration service centers that issue the cards.

Times like these, you only have one thing to say: *facepalm*

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So I know you are trying to portray this as bad for Trump.

But you do know that Trump does not hire these people and the problem lies with whomever disregarded the laws and hopefully, this person is out of a job or the contract with the contractor is being ripped up.

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#3  Edited By vl4d_l3nin
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What exactly was the point of this article? This doesn't seem to have anything to do with Trump, since it states there is no evidence he knew about their status. It illustrated that the safety net to prevent the employment of illegals wasn't good enough. It's almost as if we can do more to prevent this type of stuff.

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Not the first time he's had illegals in his business.............did he bother to pay them this time or stiff them as well?

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Honestly this does not seem like a big deal. A bit hypocritical, sure, but A.) apparently Trump/Trump's business treats them very well, B.) they're illegal and employed in the US, which is about 10x better than picking corn in Guatemala, and C.) it seems like they (the workers) are biting the hand that feeds them because it is convenient to do so, not because it's the right thing to do.

I only want to hear about a story like this if one of the workers was impregnated by Trump and payed to get an abortion. Or, even better, Trump has a kid out there born from an illegal immigrant :P

But as likely as that might [or might not] be, it's not very likely we'd find out about it :D

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@Jacanuk said:

So I know you are trying to portray this as bad for Trump.

But you do know that Trump does not hire these people and the problem lies with whomever disregarded the laws and hopefully, this person is out of a job or the contract with the contractor is being ripped up.

Do we need to play the game of "If Obama or any last Democratic president did it..." again?

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@nintendoboy16 said:
@Jacanuk said:

So I know you are trying to portray this as bad for Trump.

But you do know that Trump does not hire these people and the problem lies with whomever disregarded the laws and hopefully, this person is out of a job or the contract with the contractor is being ripped up.

Do we need to play the game of "If Obama or any last Democratic president did it..." again?

Did what? Or are you really trying to claim that Trump or anyone else for that matter would micromanage all their businesses? Come on even you can´t be this desperate. If you want to go after Trump at least use something he actually did.

It would be like saying Musk is to responsible for the child workers his subcontractors in Asia are using or the horrible mistreatment of Apple workers.

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The buck stops.... over there.

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This showing of hypocrisy means nothing to Trump fans. They've already come to terms with his daily habitual lying.

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@HoolaHoopMan said:

This showing of hypocrisy means nothing to Trump fans. They've already come to terms with his daily habitual lying.

What hypocrisy? again Trump does not micromanage

It´s like expecting the wall-mart CEO to be in every single store nationwide and manage it.

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@Jacanuk said:
@HoolaHoopMan said:

This showing of hypocrisy means nothing to Trump fans. They've already come to terms with his daily habitual lying.

What hypocrisy? again Trump does not micromanage

It´s like expecting the wall-mart CEO to be in every single store nationwide and manage it.

What a total cop out..............

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@Jacanuk said:
@HoolaHoopMan said:

This showing of hypocrisy means nothing to Trump fans. They've already come to terms with his daily habitual lying.

What hypocrisy? again Trump does not micromanage

It´s like expecting the wall-mart CEO to be in every single store nationwide and manage it.

What a total cop out..............

God forbid Trump takes any responsibility for anything going on around him or with his subordinates.

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He could technically be telling the truth. She worked there from 2010-2013. The question was asked in 2016. Is he saying illegals have never worked for him or that they weren't when the question was asked?

It is possible that they added E-verify after that date. It could also be that E-verify isn't as good as Trump thought it was.(It is run by the government.) You would have to dig into the story deeper.

You think the deeper issue instead of trying to score political points is, how easy is it for illegals to exploit your system? Does the E-verify system actually work or is it easy to subvert? Is it giving employers a false sense of security?

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@Damedius said:

He could technically be telling the truth. She worked there from 2010-2013. The question was asked in 2016. Is he saying illegals have never worked for him or that they weren't when the question was asked?

It is possible that they added E-verify after that date. It could also be that E-verify isn't as good as Trump thought it was.(It is run by the government.) You would have to dig into the story deeper.

You think the deeper issue instead of trying to score political points is, how easy is it for illegals to exploit your system?Does the E-verify system actually work or is it easy to subvert? Is it giving employers a false sense of security?

Yeah, not the employers.

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@mattbbpl said:
@Damedius said:

He could technically be telling the truth. She worked there from 2010-2013. The question was asked in 2016. Is he saying illegals have never worked for him or that they weren't when the question was asked?

It is possible that they added E-verify after that date. It could also be that E-verify isn't as good as Trump thought it was.(It is run by the government.) You would have to dig into the story deeper.

You think the deeper issue instead of trying to score political points is, how easy is it for illegals to exploit your system?Does the E-verify system actually work or is it easy to subvert? Is it giving employers a false sense of security?

Yeah, not the employers.

True. I'm sure that there are quite a few employers who don't mind the downward pressure on low skill wages that illegal immigration provides.

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@Jacanuk said:
@HoolaHoopMan said:

This showing of hypocrisy means nothing to Trump fans. They've already come to terms with his daily habitual lying.

What hypocrisy? again Trump does not micromanage

It´s like expecting the wall-mart CEO to be in every single store nationwide and manage it.

"She has cleaned the president’s villa while he watched television nearby; she stood on the sidelines when potential cabinet members were brought in for interviews and when the White House chief of staff, John Kelly, arrived to confer with the president."

Right, because all Wall-Mart CEOs watch TV with their suspect employees right next to them. Who, not to mention, don't even speak English. But keep lying to yourself to excuse your own hypocrisy.

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Is it possible to build a wall around them?

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@Jacanuk said:

So I know you are trying to portray this as bad for Trump.

But you do know that Trump does not hire these people and the problem lies with whomever disregarded the laws and hopefully, this person is out of a job or the contract with the contractor is being ripped up.

so you are saying Trump is not good at managing his businesses?

why didnt he know about this?

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@tryit said:
@Jacanuk said:

So I know you are trying to portray this as bad for Trump.

But you do know that Trump does not hire these people and the problem lies with whomever disregarded the laws and hopefully, this person is out of a job or the contract with the contractor is being ripped up.

so you are saying Trump is not good at managing his businesses?

why didnt he know about this?

Trump is a horrendous businessman. He sucks. He has lost a ton of money. He just got handed lots to play with.

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@sonicare said:
@tryit said:
@Jacanuk said:

So I know you are trying to portray this as bad for Trump.

But you do know that Trump does not hire these people and the problem lies with whomever disregarded the laws and hopefully, this person is out of a job or the contract with the contractor is being ripped up.

so you are saying Trump is not good at managing his businesses?

why didnt he know about this?

Trump is a horrendous businessman. He sucks. He has lost a ton of money. He just got handed lots to play with.

That is questionable, some may say he is a bad businessman but considering how much money he lost and he still is a billionaire and he made Trump into the brand it is, it´s not a lot who can do that.

He is no Bloomberg or Jobs but he is also no scrub.

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@Jacanuk said:
@sonicare said:
@tryit said:
@Jacanuk said:

So I know you are trying to portray this as bad for Trump.

But you do know that Trump does not hire these people and the problem lies with whomever disregarded the laws and hopefully, this person is out of a job or the contract with the contractor is being ripped up.

so you are saying Trump is not good at managing his businesses?

why didnt he know about this?

Trump is a horrendous businessman. He sucks. He has lost a ton of money. He just got handed lots to play with.

That is questionable, some may say he is a bad businessman but considering how much money he lost and he still is a billionaire and he made Trump into the brand it is, it´s not a lot who can do that.

He is no Bloomberg or Jobs but he is also no scrub.

Give me that much money to invest and I would easily do better than him.

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Give me that much money to invest and I would easily do better than him.

Sure you would

That´s why you are a billionarie and he is posting on a forum....

or wait.

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@Jacanuk said:
@sonicare said:

Give me that much money to invest and I would easily do better than him.

Sure you would

That´s why you are a billionarie and he is posting on a forum....

or wait.

If my father gave me 100 million dollars to invest, I'm betting I could do better than declare bankruptcy multiple times.

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@sonicare said:
@Jacanuk said:
@sonicare said:

Give me that much money to invest and I would easily do better than him.

Sure you would

That´s why you are a billionarie and he is posting on a forum....

or wait.

If my father gave me 100 million dollars to invest, I'm betting I could do better than declare bankruptcy multiple times.

Well, you don´t need a 100 million

If you got a good business sense you can make 1000$ work into 10.000 so get started Sonic :)

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@sonicare said:
@Jacanuk said:
@sonicare said:

Give me that much money to invest and I would easily do better than him.

Sure you would

That´s why you are a billionarie and he is posting on a forum....

or wait.

If my father gave me 100 million dollars to invest, I'm betting I could do better than declare bankruptcy multiple times.

Silver spoon Trump (who objectively is not self made) got quite a lot more than $100 million over the years from Daddy.

It's been estimated if he had just invested it all in index funds instead of having all these failed business and shady schemes, he would actually have more worth. Although to be fair, his father was able to give him it all through shady schemes in the first place.

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@Jacanuk said:
@sonicare said:
@tryit said:
@Jacanuk said:

So I know you are trying to portray this as bad for Trump.

But you do know that Trump does not hire these people and the problem lies with whomever disregarded the laws and hopefully, this person is out of a job or the contract with the contractor is being ripped up.

so you are saying Trump is not good at managing his businesses?

why didnt he know about this?

Trump is a horrendous businessman. He sucks. He has lost a ton of money. He just got handed lots to play with.

That is questionable, some may say he is a bad businessman but considering how much money he lost and he still is a billionaire and he made Trump into the brand it is, it´s not a lot who can do that.

He is no Bloomberg or Jobs but he is also no scrub.

his dad funneled at least $413 million of todays money to Trump in order to launder money.

Trump was a millionare before he was 6 years old

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-tax-schemes-fred-trump.html