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#1 Silentchief
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-56620113

I'm surprised this isn't being talked about more. It was a big story and all of a sudden they dropped it. Sad to hear curious why it's not a bigger story.

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My condolences to the officer's family.

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Not a bigger story where exactly? From what I've been looking at, it was talked about all over the place.

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@rmpumper: For like a day.

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So many wrongs in so little time. I'm speechless...

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RIP. Im sorry for the whole situation

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@silentchief said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-56620113

I'm surprised this isn't being talked about more. It was a big story and all of a sudden they dropped it. Sad to hear curious why it's not a bigger story.

You shouldn't be surprised in the least.

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Every news outlet carried the story. I fail to see lack of coverage on the issue. With that being said, I wish more light would be brought to the mention of The Nation of Islam.

Putrid organization and most people don't understand how awful Louis Farrakhan is. This murderer was radicalized by them no doubt.

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@Solaryellow said:
@silentchief said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-56620113

I'm surprised this isn't being talked about more. It was a big story and all of a sudden they dropped it. Sad to hear curious why it's not a bigger story.

You shouldn't be surprised in the least.

Lol I'm not actually.

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@HoolaHoopMan said:

Every news outlet carried the story. I fail to see lack of coverage on the issue. With that being said, I wish more light would be brought to the mention of The Nation of Islam.

Putrid organization and most people don't understand how awful Louis Farrakhan is. This murderer was radicalized by them no doubt.

That's kinda my point. The story was dropped once we figured out who the perpetrator was.

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#12  Edited By mrbojangles25
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@silentchief said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-56620113

I'm surprised this isn't being talked about more. It was a big story and all of a sudden they dropped it. Sad to hear curious why it's not a bigger story.

Probably the same reason we aren't talking about the Jan 6th insurrection and the dead officer and people there.

News has a short shelf-life, and unless it's really sexy or terrible (or topical) it won't get told too much.

Also I imagine that, as the trial of officer Chauvin is going on, hyping up the death of a good cop might seem "tone deaf" relative to the trial of a bad cop, and could garner sympathy for a lawman that likely deserves the death penalty for executing someone with a knee to the neck.

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@mrbojangles25 said:
@silentchief said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-56620113

I'm surprised this isn't being talked about more. It was a big story and all of a sudden they dropped it. Sad to hear curious why it's not a bigger story.

Probably the same reason we aren't talking about the Jan 6th insurrection and the dead officer and people there.

News has a short shelf-life, and unless it's really sexy or terrible (or topical) it won't get told too much.

Also I imagine that, as the trial of officer Chauvin is going on, hyping up the death of a good cop might seem "tone deaf" relative to the trial of a bad cop, and could garner sympathy for a lawman that likely deserves the death penalty for executing someone with a knee to the neck.

They talked about the insurrection non stop for over a month?

So your excuse to ignore this is because of the George Floyd trial? Well hell at least you straight up admit to it? If an extremist of Islam kills a cop let's ignore it because it isn't sexy or topical LMAO!

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@mrbojangles25: This is kind of different, it's a case of suicide by cop and there's the feeling of "not much more to say about the situation"

About the insurrection, there's discussion about the toll that staying on duty is taking on the officials stationed at the capitol.

Not much to say? They had alot to say when a guy shot up message parlors? They specifically talked about the suspect alot. That's not being done here. It wasn't done in the Colorado mass shooting either. As soon as they found out it was a Syrian born immigrant with ties to Islam the debate shifted to gun control.

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@girlusocrazy: On a internet article that I had to Google. It got nowhere near the coverage it would have got if the suspect fit the narrative. Tell me do you think the Colorado mass shooting suspect got anywhere near the attention that the Asian massage parlor suspect got?

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@girlusocrazy: The narrative of white supremacy fueling Asian hate crime or any crime that involves a white perpetrator which they always try to link to white nationalism or the right.

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@silentchief said:
@HoolaHoopMan said:

Every news outlet carried the story. I fail to see lack of coverage on the issue. With that being said, I wish more light would be brought to the mention of The Nation of Islam.

Putrid organization and most people don't understand how awful Louis Farrakhan is. This murderer was radicalized by them no doubt.

That's kinda my point. The story was dropped once we figured out who the perpetrator was.

The story is still being reported on. What exact criteria are you looking for so that your 'point' can be made?

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@HoolaHoopMan said:
@silentchief said:
@HoolaHoopMan said:

Every news outlet carried the story. I fail to see lack of coverage on the issue. With that being said, I wish more light would be brought to the mention of The Nation of Islam.

Putrid organization and most people don't understand how awful Louis Farrakhan is. This murderer was radicalized by them no doubt.

That's kinda my point. The story was dropped once we figured out who the perpetrator was.

The story is still being reported on. What exact criteria are you looking for so that your 'point' can be made?

I just went to the websites of 5 of the most mainstream/ leftwing sources and its not on the front page of any of the websites.

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#22  Edited By mrbojangles25
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@silentchief said:
@HoolaHoopMan said:
@silentchief said:
@HoolaHoopMan said:

Every news outlet carried the story. I fail to see lack of coverage on the issue. With that being said, I wish more light would be brought to the mention of The Nation of Islam.

Putrid organization and most people don't understand how awful Louis Farrakhan is. This murderer was radicalized by them no doubt.

That's kinda my point. The story was dropped once we figured out who the perpetrator was.

The story is still being reported on. What exact criteria are you looking for so that your 'point' can be made?

I just went to the websites of 5 of the most mainstream/ leftwing sources and its not on the front page of any of the websites.

That's because it's not front-page news. People die, cops die while on duty...while I am sympathetic to their family and friends, it's not exactly a big story.

@HoolaHoopMan I think the "criteria" people like @silentchief are looking for is for news outlets to condemn it like they do mass shootings, declare the Nation of Islam a terrorist organization, and basically talk about how white people are victims and that they will be replaced by the year 2030 with people of color and democrats communists sucking the lifeblood out of infants and that we all need to start panicking. Oh yeah and the Jews Globalists will secretly run the world.

You know what else I don't see, though? Reports on the 20 mass shootings we've had this year. As I said: media has a short shelf-life in this country.

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#23  Edited By Silentchief
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@mrbojangles25 said:
@silentchief said:
@HoolaHoopMan said:
@silentchief said:

That's kinda my point. The story was dropped once we figured out who the perpetrator was.

The story is still being reported on. What exact criteria are you looking for so that your 'point' can be made?

I just went to the websites of 5 of the most mainstream/ leftwing sources and its not on the front page of any of the websites.

That's because it's not front-page news. People die, cops die while on duty...while I am sympathetic to their family and friends, it's not exactly a big story.

@HoolaHoopMan I think the "criteria" people like @silentchief are looking for is for news outlets to condemn it like they do mass shootings, declare the Nation of Islam a terrorist organization, and basically talk about how white people are victims and that they will be replaced by the year 2030 with people of color and democrats communists sucking the lifeblood out of infants and that we all need to start panicking. Oh yeah and the Jews Globalists will secretly run the world.

You know what else I don't see, though? Reports on the 20 mass shootings we've had this year. As I said: media has a short shelf-life in this country.

The cop who died at the capital riot was front page news for a month. Hell they even lied about how he died. This cop dies at the same building and now it's no big deal?

I love the Hyperbole in your statement but if we take that paranoia and reverse it and talk about the big bad threat of white supremacy that's actually a story leftwing media constantly runs with. You say we didn't hear about the 20 mass shootings? That's because they spent most their time talking about 1. The one when a white guy shot up a massage parlor. Of course they went with a white supremacists narrative again and tried to link it to Asian hate crime until the stats about who committed the vast majority of Asian hate crimes actually came out and then they had to move to something else.

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@silentchief said:
@mrbojangles25 said:
@silentchief said:
@HoolaHoopMan said:
@silentchief said:

That's kinda my point. The story was dropped once we figured out who the perpetrator was.

The story is still being reported on. What exact criteria are you looking for so that your 'point' can be made?

I just went to the websites of 5 of the most mainstream/ leftwing sources and its not on the front page of any of the websites.

That's because it's not front-page news. People die, cops die while on duty...while I am sympathetic to their family and friends, it's not exactly a big story.

@HoolaHoopMan I think the "criteria" people like @silentchief are looking for is for news outlets to condemn it like they do mass shootings, declare the Nation of Islam a terrorist organization, and basically talk about how white people are victims and that they will be replaced by the year 2030 with people of color and democrats communists sucking the lifeblood out of infants and that we all need to start panicking. Oh yeah and the Jews Globalists will secretly run the world.

You know what else I don't see, though? Reports on the 20 mass shootings we've had this year. As I said: media has a short shelf-life in this country.

The cop who died at the capital riot was front page news for a month. Hell they even lied about how he died. This cop dies at the same building and now it's no big deal?

I love the Hyperbole in your statement but if we take that paranoia and reverse it and talk about the big bad threat of white supremacy that's actually a story leftwing media constantly runs with. You say we didn't hear about the 20 mass shootings? That's because they spent most their time talking about 1. The one when a white guy shot up a massage parlor. Of course they went with a white supremacists narrative again and tried to link it to Asian hate crime until the stats about who committed the vast majority of Asian hate crimes actually came out and then they had to move to something else.

dude... the capitol riots were HUGE fucking news for a long time. that kind of thing NEVER happened in our entire history as a nation.

on the other hand cops are killed in the line of duty frequently.

you can't possibly be trying to equate the two.

for the record, no one is saying it's no big deal, but what you're trying to do by equating them is fucking bonkers.

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@comp_atkins: it is bonkers, but more importantly it won't work or convince anyone.

Try a different tactic.

I will never understand why conservatives, the GOP, and the far-right are so obsessed with either being the bad guys or the victims, but never being the ones with any sort of solution.

Not that the left or democrats are much better but, hey, at least they're trying to make the world a better place, misguided as they might be.

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#26  Edited By mrbojangles25
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@silentchief said:
@mrbojangles25 said:
@silentchief said:
@HoolaHoopMan said:

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The cop who died at the capital riot was front page news for a month. Hell they even lied about how he died. This cop dies at the same building and now it's no big deal?

I love the Hyperbole in your statement but if we take that paranoia and reverse it and talk about the big bad threat of white supremacy that's actually a story leftwing media constantly runs with. You say we didn't hear about the 20 mass shootings? That's because they spent most their time talking about 1. The one when a white guy shot up a massage parlor. Of course they went with a white supremacists narrative again and tried to link it to Asian hate crime until the stats about who committed the vast majority of Asian hate crimes actually came out and then they had to move to something else.

I don't think it's a "narrative" or hyperbole when the FBI comes out and says domestic, right-wing extremism is more of a threat than either left-wing terrorism or international terrorism (old report, but still valid, if not more so).

The reason domestic terrorism and right-wing fundamentalism is covered often and with a negative light is because it occurs often and is negative.

I won't deny that the media spins things and that needs to stop, however.

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@silentchief said:
@HoolaHoopMan said:
@silentchief said:

That's kinda my point. The story was dropped once we figured out who the perpetrator was.

The story is still being reported on. What exact criteria are you looking for so that your 'point' can be made?

I just went to the websites of 5 of the most mainstream/ leftwing sources and its not on the front page of any of the websites.

So it has to be front page, but for how long? Give me a time frame. I want to make sure that I'm correctly gauging your requirements to media outlets on these matters.

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@comp_atkins said:
@silentchief said:

The cop who died at the capital riot was front page news for a month. Hell they even lied about how he died. This cop dies at the same building and now it's no big deal?

I love the Hyperbole in your statement but if we take that paranoia and reverse it and talk about the big bad threat of white supremacy that's actually a story leftwing media constantly runs with. You say we didn't hear about the 20 mass shootings? That's because they spent most their time talking about 1. The one when a white guy shot up a massage parlor. Of course they went with a white supremacists narrative again and tried to link it to Asian hate crime until the stats about who committed the vast majority of Asian hate crimes actually came out and then they had to move to something else.

dude... the capitol riots were HUGE fucking news for a long time. that kind of thing NEVER happened in our entire history as a nation.

on the other hand cops are killed in the line of duty frequently.

you can't possibly be trying to equate the two.

for the record, no one is saying it's no big deal, but what you're trying to do by equating them is fucking bonkers.

Bolded: This is exactly the situation here. Faux outrage while attempting some faux equivocation.

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@mrbojangles25 said:
@silentchief said:
@mrbojangles25 said:
@silentchief said:
@HoolaHoopMan said:

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...

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The cop who died at the capital riot was front page news for a month. Hell they even lied about how he died. This cop dies at the same building and now it's no big deal?

I love the Hyperbole in your statement but if we take that paranoia and reverse it and talk about the big bad threat of white supremacy that's actually a story leftwing media constantly runs with. You say we didn't hear about the 20 mass shootings? That's because they spent most their time talking about 1. The one when a white guy shot up a massage parlor. Of course they went with a white supremacists narrative again and tried to link it to Asian hate crime until the stats about who committed the vast majority of Asian hate crimes actually came out and then they had to move to something else.

I don't think it's a "narrative" or hyperbole when the FBI comes out and says domestic, right-wing extremism is more of a threat than either left-wing terrorism or international terrorism (old report, but still valid, if not more so).

The reason domestic terrorism and right-wing fundamentalism is covered often and with a negative light is because it occurs often and is negative.

I won't deny that the media spins things and that needs to stop, however.

I would say it's hyperbole when you have a better chance of being killed by an animal attack then a domestic terror attack. This in contrast to the fact that 13% of the population commits over half the homicides every single year yet we just seem to ignore that statistics as a coincidence.

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@comp_atkins said:
@silentchief said:
@mrbojangles25 said:
@silentchief said:
@HoolaHoopMan said:

The story is still being reported on. What exact criteria are you looking for so that your 'point' can be made?

I just went to the websites of 5 of the most mainstream/ leftwing sources and its not on the front page of any of the websites.

That's because it's not front-page news. People die, cops die while on duty...while I am sympathetic to their family and friends, it's not exactly a big story.

@HoolaHoopMan I think the "criteria" people like @silentchief are looking for is for news outlets to condemn it like they do mass shootings, declare the Nation of Islam a terrorist organization, and basically talk about how white people are victims and that they will be replaced by the year 2030 with people of color and democrats communists sucking the lifeblood out of infants and that we all need to start panicking. Oh yeah and the Jews Globalists will secretly run the world.

You know what else I don't see, though? Reports on the 20 mass shootings we've had this year. As I said: media has a short shelf-life in this country.

The cop who died at the capital riot was front page news for a month. Hell they even lied about how he died. This cop dies at the same building and now it's no big deal?

I love the Hyperbole in your statement but if we take that paranoia and reverse it and talk about the big bad threat of white supremacy that's actually a story leftwing media constantly runs with. You say we didn't hear about the 20 mass shootings? That's because they spent most their time talking about 1. The one when a white guy shot up a massage parlor. Of course they went with a white supremacists narrative again and tried to link it to Asian hate crime until the stats about who committed the vast majority of Asian hate crimes actually came out and then they had to move to something else.

dude... the capitol riots were HUGE fucking news for a long time. that kind of thing NEVER happened in our entire history as a nation.

on the other hand cops are killed in the line of duty frequently.

you can't possibly be trying to equate the two.

for the record, no one is saying it's no big deal, but what you're trying to do by equating them is fucking bonkers.

Cops die at the capital building every day? That's simply not true.

You know dam well if it was a Trump supporter we would still be talking about it. Do you honestly deny that?

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#31  Edited By Silentchief
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@mrbojangles25 said:

@comp_atkins: it is bonkers, but more importantly it won't work or convince anyone.

Try a different tactic.

I will never understand why conservatives, the GOP, and the far-right are so obsessed with either being the bad guys or the victims, but never being the ones with any sort of solution.

Not that the left or democrats are much better but, hey, at least they're trying to make the world a better place, misguided as they might be.

Did you honestly say the right is obsessed with being the victim? Are you really that far off from reality? The lefts entire campaign thrives on making people feel like they are a victim. Critical race theory, racial equity training... the bullshit is non stop. They wouldn't exist if they couldn't make every group feel marginalized.

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@silentchief said:
@mrbojangles25 said:

@comp_atkins: it is bonkers, but more importantly it won't work or convince anyone.

Try a different tactic.

I will never understand why conservatives, the GOP, and the far-right are so obsessed with either being the bad guys or the victims, but never being the ones with any sort of solution.

Not that the left or democrats are much better but, hey, at least they're trying to make the world a better place, misguided as they might be.

Did you honestly say the right is obsessed with being the victim? Are you really that far off from reality? The lefts entire campaign thrives on making people feel like ate a victim. Critical race theory, racial equity training... the bullshit is non stop. They wouldn't exist if they couldn't make every group feel marginalized.

LOL that was the message of the trump campaign and administration and continues today with his call for cancel culture. Either you ignore that fact or incapable of seeing the reality.

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@silentchief said:
@mrbojangles25 said:

@comp_atkins: it is bonkers, but more importantly it won't work or convince anyone.

Try a different tactic.

I will never understand why conservatives, the GOP, and the far-right are so obsessed with either being the bad guys or the victims, but never being the ones with any sort of solution.

Not that the left or democrats are much better but, hey, at least they're trying to make the world a better place, misguided as they might be.

Did you honestly say the right is obsessed with being the victim? Are you really that far off from reality? The lefts entire campaign thrives on making people feel like ate a victim. Critical race theory, racial equity training... the bullshit is non stop. They wouldn't exist if they couldn't make every group feel marginalized.

The right's response to every single one of those things is generally "stop victimizing me".

Again, not saying the left is not doing it, just simply saying the right is just as bad.

And, again again, the left is doing it out of a place of good. The right is doing out of a place of "all I want is a country for white christians with 1950's values".

Neither are exactly right, but only one side is particularly wrong. Guess which one :)

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@mrbojangles25: Are you implying that there's a difference between "you're suppressing my voting power" and "you're saying Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas"?

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@mattbbpl said:

@mrbojangles25: Are you implying that there's a difference between "you're suppressing my voting power" and "you're saying Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas"?

Maybe a little?

:P

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@mrbojangles25 said:
@silentchief said:
@mrbojangles25 said:

@comp_atkins: it is bonkers, but more importantly it won't work or convince anyone.

Try a different tactic.

I will never understand why conservatives, the GOP, and the far-right are so obsessed with either being the bad guys or the victims, but never being the ones with any sort of solution.

Not that the left or democrats are much better but, hey, at least they're trying to make the world a better place, misguided as they might be.

Did you honestly say the right is obsessed with being the victim? Are you really that far off from reality? The lefts entire campaign thrives on making people feel like ate a victim. Critical race theory, racial equity training... the bullshit is non stop. They wouldn't exist if they couldn't make every group feel marginalized.

The right's response to every single one of those things is generally "stop victimizing me".

Again, not saying the left is not doing it, just simply saying the right is just as bad.

And, again again, the left is doing it out of a place of good. The right is doing out of a place of "all I want is a country for white christians with 1950's values".

Neither are exactly right, but only one side is particularly wrong. Guess which one :)

No it isn't. The right calls out blatant hypocrisy it has nothing to do with being a victim.

The left hasn't done anything out of a place of good and if you actually believe that you are a sucker. Their scam is somehow to make you believe you would be worse off without their intervention which is almost always absolute nonsense.

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@mattbbpl said:

@mrbojangles25: Are you implying that there's a difference between "you're suppressing my voting power" and "you're saying Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas"?

Maybe a little?

:P

What's hilarious as many leftwing states have stricter voting laws then GA. The fact people are actually bitching about a voter ID shows the lefts ability to yet again play the victim.

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Seemed like someone doing suicide by cop. It doesn't appear there was a well thought objective here.

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#39  Edited By mrbojangles25
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@silentchief said:
@mrbojangles25 said:
@mattbbpl said:

@mrbojangles25: Are you implying that there's a difference between "you're suppressing my voting power" and "you're saying Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas"?

Maybe a little?

:P

What's hilarious as many leftwing states have stricter voting laws then GA. The fact people are actually bitching about a voter ID shows the lefts ability to yet again play the victim.

I agree it is "hilarious", but not half as "hilarious" as regressing backward; it's one thing to have outdated laws that are already in place, and quite another to propose new outdated laws for the express purpose of suppressing votes.

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@mrbojangles25 said:
@silentchief said:
@mrbojangles25 said:
@mattbbpl said:

@mrbojangles25: Are you implying that there's a difference between "you're suppressing my voting power" and "you're saying Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas"?

Maybe a little?

:P

What's hilarious as many leftwing states have stricter voting laws then GA. The fact people are actually bitching about a voter ID shows the lefts ability to yet again play the victim.

I agree it is "hilarious", but not half as "hilarious" as regressing backward; it's one thing to have outdated laws that are already in place, and quite another to propose new outdated laws for the express purpose of suppressing votes.

Requiring an ID is regressive?

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@silentchief said:
@mrbojangles25 said:
@silentchief said:
@mrbojangles25 said:
@mattbbpl said:

@mrbojangles25: Are you implying that there's a difference between "you're suppressing my voting power" and "you're saying Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas"?

Maybe a little?

:P

What's hilarious as many leftwing states have stricter voting laws then GA. The fact people are actually bitching about a voter ID shows the lefts ability to yet again play the victim.

I agree it is "hilarious", but not half as "hilarious" as regressing backward; it's one thing to have outdated laws that are already in place, and quite another to propose new outdated laws for the express purpose of suppressing votes.

Requiring an ID is regressive?

Apparently any kind of rules on voting is. Though none will admit it, they don't even think it should be reserved for actual citizens.

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Requiring an ID is regressive?

There is more to it than ID. But if ID is government mandated then it should be government money. But it's not just ID and it's disingenuous to state as such. I get it makes easier for you to defend it not that there is defense for making voting harder.

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@eoten said:
@silentchief said:
@mrbojangles25 said:
@silentchief said:

What's hilarious as many leftwing states have stricter voting laws then GA. The fact people are actually bitching about a voter ID shows the lefts ability to yet again play the victim.

I agree it is "hilarious", but not half as "hilarious" as regressing backward; it's one thing to have outdated laws that are already in place, and quite another to propose new outdated laws for the express purpose of suppressing votes.

Requiring an ID is regressive?

Apparently any kind of rules on voting is. Though none will admit it, they don't even think it should be reserved for actual citizens.

In this context, yes, it is regressive.

It would be nice to see them go in the opposite direction; if they want to require ID, maybe they should, I don't know, have some sort of auto-enrollment or auto-ID distribution. That way the GOP can have their ID requirements, and folks that actually appreciate this country can vote hassle free.

I have no problem with rules, but we should also make it as easy as possible for people to vote legally.

Dumping a bunch of rules onto people just to make life harder for people that want to vote because you're all sour your team lost this time around is borderline treason in my opinion. When these rules target specific demographics--specifically people of color and the poor--it's what we call "a dick move".

*also, for a bit more context, I think it's really important to remember that voter fraud is statistically insignificant. Left studies say this, right studies say this, middle studies say this...it's a fraction of a fraction of a percent of total votes.

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@mrbojangles25 said:
@eoten said:
@silentchief said:
@mrbojangles25 said:
@silentchief said:

What's hilarious as many leftwing states have stricter voting laws then GA. The fact people are actually bitching about a voter ID shows the lefts ability to yet again play the victim.

I agree it is "hilarious", but not half as "hilarious" as regressing backward; it's one thing to have outdated laws that are already in place, and quite another to propose new outdated laws for the express purpose of suppressing votes.

Requiring an ID is regressive?

Apparently any kind of rules on voting is. Though none will admit it, they don't even think it should be reserved for actual citizens.

In this context, yes, it is regressive.

It would be nice to see them go in the opposite direction; if they want to require ID, maybe they should, I don't know, have some sort of auto-enrollment or auto-ID distribution. That way the GOP can have their ID requirements, and folks that actually appreciate this country can vote hassle free.

I have no problem with rules, but we should also make it as easy as possible for people to vote legally.

Dumping a bunch of rules onto people just to make life harder for people that want to vote because you're all sour your team lost this time around is borderline treason in my opinion. When these rules target specific demographics--specifically people of color and the poor--it's what we call "a dick move".

*also, for a bit more context, I think it's really important to remember that voter fraud is statistically insignificant. Left studies say this, right studies say this, middle studies say this...it's a fraction of a fraction of a percent of total votes.

How the hell does auto enrollment equate to a step forward but ID doesn't? If someone doesn't want to enroll, then that's up to them. Voter ID isn't dumping rules to make life harder for anybody.

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@silentchief said:

Requiring an ID is regressive?

There is more to it than ID. But if ID is government mandated then it should be government money. But it's not just ID and it's disingenuous to state as such. I get it makes easier for you to defend it not that there is defense for making voting harder.

So bringing drop boxes back to pre-pandemic levels and not giving snacks in line is the straw that really broke the camels back... lmao!

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@silentchief said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@silentchief said:

Requiring an ID is regressive?

There is more to it than ID. But if ID is government mandated then it should be government money. But it's not just ID and it's disingenuous to state as such. I get it makes easier for you to defend it not that there is defense for making voting harder.

So bringing drop boxes back to pre-pandemic levels and not giving snacks in line is the straw that really broke the camels back... lmao!

Gerrymandering, less time to vote, closing polling places, yeah just keep those eyes closed and your ears plugged. When they come for you, who will left to speak for you?

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@silentchief said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@silentchief said:

Requiring an ID is regressive?

There is more to it than ID. But if ID is government mandated then it should be government money. But it's not just ID and it's disingenuous to state as such. I get it makes easier for you to defend it not that there is defense for making voting harder.

So bringing drop boxes back to pre-pandemic levels and not giving snacks in line is the straw that really broke the camels back... lmao!

Gerrymandering, less time to vote, closing polling places, yeah just keep those eyes closed and your ears plugged. When they come for you, who will left to speak for you?

Yet they are no whete near as restrictive as states such as New York? So why aren’t we boycotting them?

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Did you honestly say the right is obsessed with being the victim? Are you really that far off from reality? The lefts entire campaign thrives on making people feel like ate a victim. Critical race theory, racial equity training... the bullshit is non stop. They wouldn't exist if they couldn't make every group feel marginalized.

The media prides itself as a "sacred institution" but it is evident how stories are handled much differently based on those involved.

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@silentchief said:
@mrbojangles25 said:

@comp_atkins: it is bonkers, but more importantly it won't work or convince anyone.

Try a different tactic.

I will never understand why conservatives, the GOP, and the far-right are so obsessed with either being the bad guys or the victims, but never being the ones with any sort of solution.

Not that the left or democrats are much better but, hey, at least they're trying to make the world a better place, misguided as they might be.

Did you honestly say the right is obsessed with being the victim? Are you really that far off from reality? The lefts entire campaign thrives on making people feel like ate a victim. Critical race theory, racial equity training... the bullshit is non stop. They wouldn't exist if they couldn't make every group feel marginalized.

LOL that was the message of the trump campaign and administration and continues today with his call for cancel culture. Either you ignore that fact or incapable of seeing the reality.

I honestly think you are a troll. Do you honestly think the right is primarily responsible for cancel culture? Is that even up for debate.

When the Dr: Seuss foundation met with experts to cancel books were those experts on the right?

When the MLB decided to leave Georgia was that because of those on the right?

When people demand that ESPN stop carrying the Masters because they won't leave Georgia are they on the right?

When Sharon Osborne was fired from her talk show was that people on the right that did that?

When Chris Hanson was fired from his show was that people on the right that did that?

These just happened within the last month. If you don't see the left is the primary force behind cancel culture then you are truly delusional.

Making people feel like victims is how the left survives. They constantly pander to PoC who have every right that the rest of America has. They make them feel that the conditions they are in are do to a systemic issue that is out of their control and only the government can fix it. And if you don't buy into the narrative they cancel you.