Officer killed at Capitol building!

I wouldn't know what is worse. If he's so desperate for attention that he's putting that much effort into being a troll, or he's that confused about reality and how the world works that he actually believes that crap.

When the right takes part on cancel culture is just them doing the correct thing and any possible causality it's their fault because "go woke, go broke", when people on the left get together and do the exact same thing it's them violently attacking "freedom".

This is both severe entitlement and victimization from the far right. They consider any challenge of what they believe in as an attack on the very foundations of "their" system and, with every defeat, they see themselves as impotent victims, facing a vast leftist-Marxist-communist conspiracy, most probably funded by Soros, the Chinese, Bill Gates and the Clintons. But worry not, next time Gillette makes a commercial they feel offended by, or Coca-Cola takes a position they don't care for, a player kneels during the anthem, Disney fires an actress or - god forbid - a developer makes a political statement they don't like, they won't be taking part on cancel culture, it's just them doing gods work and putting people back in their place. Hell, they will even legislate if they need to.

It's unbelievable what electing a spoiled con artist has done to the American right. This is totally a process that happened during the last few years where those who spent years calling everybody soyboys and snowflakes just became the most fragile egos and constantly crying and playing the victim.

That's not what I said. Maybe it would do better if you didn't misunderstand comments and make up your own arguments to them. Or are you trolling?

You implied Trump and his campaign were responsible for cancel culture... Your arguments always boil down to " I know you are but what am I" . You can have criticisms for the right and that's fine but the victimization and cancel culture is a modern day tactic associated with the left.

Is that why the right is calling to boycott basically the entire economy due to corporations condemning voter suppression? Is that why they called multiple credible sources "fake news" for years? Because they don't engage in cancel culture?

Lol wtf are you talking? Boycotting the economy? Do you just randomly make shit up? Do you have a single credible source on this?

They called much of the MSNBC and CNN fake news and rightfully so. Many of them have a Mixed reliability rating with a strong left leaning bias.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mediabiasfactcheck.com/cnn/%3famp

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mediabiasfactcheck.com/msnbc/%3famp

Yikes calm down troll, I said basically the entire economy. You are aware of how many ties companies like coke and delta have in product lines right? Coke especially, they get kickbacks from restaurants and product placement so you'd have to skip a shitload of items. But the phrase wasn't 100% literal so stop crying.

Also if you call them fake news that's admitting practicing cancel culture, so you lose.

"Cops die at the capital building every day? That's simply not true"

jfc.

do you even read?

You don't seem to know the difference.

Someone on the right is mad at Coke for their anti white training so therefore they stop buying coke. Ironically the left wanted to also cancel Coke since they chose to not pull their headquarters out of Georgia.

The left is mad at the PGA because they have not pulled the Masters out of Georgia. Now a reasonable person would just not watch the PGA anymore. But no that's not how the left works. So they petition for ESPN to no longer cover it and when that doesn't work they go to Disney who owns ESPN to stop covering it. They then threaten sponsors of the PGA in hopes that ultimately the PGA will leave Georgia.... do you see the difference?.

And no calling a news source fake news isn't cancel culture. Its just calling them out when they lie. News is supposed to be reliable and unbiased and it is factually neither one of those. Criticism and cancel culture are not the same thing.

@silentchief: Get over yourself, calling something fake news is 100% cancel culture, better luck next thread buddy.

Apparently you lack the ability to connect the dots so let me help you.

You said:

"cops are killed in the line of duty frequently."

"you can't possibly be trying to equate the two."

One of the main reasons the capitol riot was such a big deal was because a cop died during the riot.

Cops don't die at the Capitol frequently. It is not a frequent occurrence.

Now let me ask you. Do you think if the suspect was a pro Trump supporter as opposed to someone with ties to the Nation of Islam do you think it would have received more coverage or about the same?

Lol no it's not. Me petitioning At&t to get read of CNN is cancel culture. Me calling them fake news isn't.

I guess that's why many on the left think it doesn't exist... they don't even know what it is...lmao!

You're literally saying certain news isn't worth consuming, and lets not even get into the amount of rejection from locations studios received and calls not to watch them went out, or how nearly all the 'fake news' calls were real news that the right just didn't like hearing. Somehow that's not cancel culture? You can't pretend it isn't, stop tryharding to alter reality.

Right calls for the boycott of Coca-Cola. Not cancel culture.

Left calls for the boycott of Coca-Cola. Cancel culture.

Cool story bro but that's not cancel culture. Cancel culture is making a concentrated effort to get someone or something removed or erased.

If I say Xbox sucks... is that cancel culture? No

If I say Xbox sucks and decide to hack MS in hopes of getting them to destroy the brand... that's cancel culture.

Calling something that's intended to be factual 'fake' is the very definition of trying to erase it from discourse, and thanks for ignoring the points about reporter removals and regular calls to stop watching. Seriously man, just cut the losses, you're making it abundantly clear you didn't actually care about the thread at this point and you were just going for a rise by any means.

@silentchief: Nice that you try to create your own definitions for the sake of saving your argument, but that's not what cancel culture means.

"the practice or tendency of engaging in mass canceling as a way of expressing disapproval and exerting social pressure"

I've implied nothing. My post was clear. You're assigning meaning to it that wasn't there. So trolling. Got it.

I didn't create my own definition nor did I need to to save my argument. We can use your definition if you like? The left engages in it far more often then the right.

Does the right constantly demand corporations do something or else? Usually we just want them to stfu and stay in their lane while the left wants them to be activists. The right wants coke to sell softdrinks the left wants them to be a voice for social change.

your dot connector is seriously broken if you think THAT is the connection to be made here

why are you inserting cops dying AT THE CAPITOL in an effort to try to make an entirely different argument?

i suspect its because the current one you made fell flat on its face

@comp_atkins said:

@silentchief said:

@comp_atkins said:

@silentchief said:

@comp_atkins said:

dude... the capitol riots were HUGE fucking news for a long time. that kind of thing NEVER happened in our entire history as a nation.

on the other hand cops are killed in the line of duty frequently.

you can't possibly be trying to equate the two.

for the record, no one is saying it's no big deal, but what you're trying to do by equating them is fucking bonkers.

Cops die at the capital building every day? That's simply not true.

You know dam well if it was a Trump supporter we would still be talking about it. Do you honestly deny that?

"Cops die at the capital building every day? That's simply not true"

jfc.

do you even read?

Apparently you lack the ability to connect the dots so let me help you.

You said:

"cops are killed in the line of duty frequently."

"you can't possibly be trying to equate the two."

One of the main reasons the capitol riot was such a big deal was because a cop died during the riot.

Cops don't die at the Capitol frequently. It is not a frequent occurrence.

Now let me ask you. Do you think if the suspect was a pro Trump supporter as opposed to someone with ties to the Nation of Islam do you think it would have received more coverage or about the same?

your dot connector is seriously broken if you think THAT is the connection to be made here

why are you inserting cops dying AT THE CAPITOL in an effort to try to make an entirely different argument?

i suspect its because the current one you made fell flat on its face

That looks like you trying to answer my question.

Which you have yet to do.

@silentchief: No dude 😄 we can't "use my definition" because it isn't MY definition, it's the literal definition.

It's just like I've said and for some reason you just walked straight into it, unprompted. When the right does it, it doesn't count as "cancel culture" because you do it for the right reasons. You guys just want everyone to do nothing, and by doing nothing you mean doing exactly what you want and stfu. "Stay in your lane", like you guys like to say.

Particularly in videogames we see it all the time, how the right reacts when someone wishes to express an opinion you guys don't like. Because that kind of organized attacks, where you aggressively harass people and ideas because they step "out of their lane", is totally not a facet of cancel culture. Because, you know, is the right doing it so must be for a good reason and if the targets feel threatened well... their bad, they should have thicker skin and learn to accept criticism.

I said it was bad period. I didn't say the right didn't do it. The reality is though the left does it far more and it's not even close.

I can give you 3 dozen examples and you give me 2 and act like it's somehow equivalent. And you want to talk about video games? The left is far worse. Your side doxxed people for having different opinions. You had professional reviewers harassing YouTube personalities because they had different opinions. It's not even close but at some point one side gets tired of turning the other cheek so this is where we are.

@silentchief said:

@comp_atkins said:

@silentchief said:

@comp_atkins said:

@silentchief said:

Cops die at the capital building every day? That's simply not true.

You know dam well if it was a Trump supporter we would still be talking about it. Do you honestly deny that?

"Cops die at the capital building every day? That's simply not true"

jfc.

do you even read?

Apparently you lack the ability to connect the dots so let me help you.

You said:

"cops are killed in the line of duty frequently."

"you can't possibly be trying to equate the two."

One of the main reasons the capitol riot was such a big deal was because a cop died during the riot.

Cops don't die at the Capitol frequently. It is not a frequent occurrence.

Now let me ask you. Do you think if the suspect was a pro Trump supporter as opposed to someone with ties to the Nation of Islam do you think it would have received more coverage or about the same?

your dot connector is seriously broken if you think THAT is the connection to be made here

why are you inserting cops dying AT THE CAPITOL in an effort to try to make an entirely different argument?

i suspect its because the current one you made fell flat on its face

That looks like you trying to answer my question.

Which you have yet to do.

it would receive more coverage on msnbc and ignored on fox.

i don't see how this is some sort of magical revelation.

the entities know what their customer base and what generates clicks. it's no fucking secret modern media exists for the purpose of generating profits.

odd thing here is the same people screaming about the evils of anything remotely anti-capitalistic are the SAME people griping about the affects of capitalism applied to the media.

jesus man, pick a lane.

@comp_atkins said:

@silentchief said:

@comp_atkins said:

@silentchief said:

@comp_atkins said:

"Cops die at the capital building every day? That's simply not true"

jfc.

do you even read?

Apparently you lack the ability to connect the dots so let me help you.

You said:

"cops are killed in the line of duty frequently."

"you can't possibly be trying to equate the two."

One of the main reasons the capitol riot was such a big deal was because a cop died during the riot.

Cops don't die at the Capitol frequently. It is not a frequent occurrence.

Now let me ask you. Do you think if the suspect was a pro Trump supporter as opposed to someone with ties to the Nation of Islam do you think it would have received more coverage or about the same?

your dot connector is seriously broken if you think THAT is the connection to be made here

why are you inserting cops dying AT THE CAPITOL in an effort to try to make an entirely different argument?

i suspect its because the current one you made fell flat on its face

That looks like you trying to answer my question.

Which you have yet to do.

it would receive more coverage on msnbc and ignored on fox.

i don't see how this is some sort of magical revelation.

the entities know what their customer base and what generates clicks. it's no fucking secret modern media exists for the purpose of generating profits.

odd thing here is the same people screaming about the evils of anything remotely anti-capitalistic are the SAME people griping about the affects of capitalism applied to the media.

jesus man, pick a lane.

So they run with certain narratives because it gets them better ratings? Their ratings absolutely suck though. And their not selling a product they are selling fear.

I mean if we want to talk about capitalism then how is This show still on?

@silentchief: they're selling a whatever puts dollars in thier coffers.

fox for example is selling the fear to older white folks that thier rose-colored way of life is being taken away by <insert minority group here>

The irony is striking. All the fear mongering of "white supremacy right wing terrorism", first no serious security efforts, letting a couple of hooligans storm the capitol, then maximum security efforts. Now some NOI happens. Despite the clear political/motive, no talk of terrorism. Understandable, Islam and Terrorism is so 200*.

@silentchief: Oh dude, in videogames the examples on the right are countless. TheQuartering is both a prime example of someone who made a career based on cancel culture and playing the victim when things go sour.

Nerd culture in general is a fertile ground for the far right. Girl has muscles? Let's harass developers. Reviewer talked about left leaning politics? Let's harass her too! WW2 game has female characters? Oh no what about historical accuracy?? A black character? Stop being woke... yep let's harass some more.

There are no doubt different characteristics from left to right when it comes to cancel culture. But this was already talked before elsewhere, it's mostly because, generally speaking, what offends the far right isn't as marketable so has different visibility, or is seen as ridiculous by most.

Going back to nerd culture, are you expecting a big corporation to publicly say. "Ah, yes, after listening to the complaints we decided to stop featuring black, female, gay characters in our products. We're sorry for being so woke".

Or what, that one of them comes forward to publicly support the insane far right idea that "racism isn't real"?

Daily I see people engage in cancel culture from both sides, you can keep pretending that it's overwhelmingly a left thing but it simply isn't.

@ghost_of_phobos: Oh dude, in videogames the examples on the right are countless. TheQuartering is both a prime example of someone who made a career based on cancel culture and playing the victim when things go sour.

Glad you mentioned him. TheQuartering will point out woke agendas in nerd culture but has never went on to tell his followers to stop buying a product. He had IGN editors campaign to have him deplatformed and was actually physically attacked by someone at a bar. The left plays a victim as soon as you say something they don't like. The right is asking to be able to give an opinion without being physically attacked and deplatformed. Nowhere close to the same level.

@ghost_of_phobos: Nerd culture in general is a fertile ground for the far right. Girl has muscles? Let's harass developers. Reviewer talked about left leaning politics? Let's harass her too! WW2 game has female characters? Oh no what about historical accuracy?? A black character? Stop being woke... yep let's harass some more.

So giving an opinion is harassing? I know some people take it to far but maybe you should listen to your audience? The BF that went woke for an example was the worse selling BF, it flopped. Compare that to journalists who harass a dev because they didn't have more black people in a game about midevil Poland. Identity politics has seeped into everything far more then it ever has before. And game journalists( people who actually review games) try to be moral gatekeepers of every product they review. People are tired of that shit.

@ghost_of_phobos:Going back to nerd culture, are you expecting a big corporation to publicly say. "Ah, yes, after listening to the complaints we decided to stop featuring black, female, gay characters in our products. We're sorry for being so woke".

Well they will tell you straight up there are to many straight white dudes in games. Which is funny because outside of legacy characters you don't see them much anymore. Corporations should stay in the center not hard left.

Except Fox never states that. They will talk about the boarder crisis which by objective standards is a crisis. But they don't constantly act as if minorities are a threat to society.

@silentchief: TheQuartering is someone who's content through the years led to people being harassed (which of course he has no responsibility of, he's a saint) and he porposely takes stuff out of context and lies just for the views completely disregarding consequences. Recently the Cyberpunk review, here on GameSpot, is a prime example, with him accusing the reviewer of not actually playing the game and taking a lot of what she said out of context. Which is his MO, stir shit up, rally neckbeards to attack a target while claiming he has no control. Funny seeing you actually defending one of the most prominent right wing figures of both cancel and outrage culture.

Poor right, it just wants to express an opinion and the mean left doesn't just stfu. Of course, there's always, invariably, people being harassed and a mob asking for them to be fired but that's just a few bad apples or people expressing their opinion. Totally unlike the evil left and their cancel culture! 🤣

And of course, when the right does it, people should definitely just do what their audience is asking them to do. Very much unlike when the audience on the left does it, that's just pure evil. That must mean that the videogame industry is really struggling for not embracing the far right... Oh wait it isn't, it actually keeps growing!

Games are much more inclusive nowadays, you'll have to deal with it. Cave dwelling white dudes are no longer the main demographic and makes sense, if you have a business you'll want to expand your target demographic as much as possible. A quick look at 2020 best selling games I see one game with a gay female lead character. I suppose that's way too much for you?

And no, corporations shouldn't stay in the centre because there isn't a centre. What you call as center is the status quo, which is ever shifting. People who don't identify or have serious issues with a company's politics should speak up and vote with their wallets, not just play the victim because their politics don't match.

I'm not defending or attacking cancel culture, I just find funny people like you so obsessed with their anti liberal agenda that they constantly rationalize every thing on the right while accusing the left for the exact same things.

@ghost_of_phobos: Again how is someone who will tell you repeatedly If you want to buy the product go ahead and do so considered cancel culture? He repeatedly states this is just his opinion? Your Cyberpunk example is funny because even the reviewer admitted she didn't experience many of the systems in the game and he simply brought that up. And that particular reviewer brings sjw issues in all her game reviews. She was even offended a character in Days gone was looking at his wife's ass. Is it cancel culture to point out someone does a shitty job?

Also I don't expect the left to stfu but can they do something without doxxing someone or calling them to lose their job? They have been giving their opinion on shit for years. That wasn't cancel culture then and its not cancel culture now.. the left claims to be a victim because a product doesn't have something that panders to them which is hilarious and pathetic.

Cave dwelling white dudes? Wtf are you talking about? What is the demographic? A fat purple haired loser with 6 cats that goes by the pronoun Zi? I like how you mention a game with a female led gay character was one of the best selling games of 2020 but left out the part that the sales tanked after the first month.. They had to go so far as to create fake trailers to make a certain character seem like he played a much bigger roll in the game then he did and after two months the game dropped out of the top 10. In other words it would have made more money with the straight white dude.

Not all games should be made for a wide demographic. One product isn't going to appeal to everyone. The left constantly plays the victim even after something succeeds.... TW was an extremely successful series but a large leftwing mob got upset because Geralt couldn't have a homosexual relationship... even certain reviews criticized the game because more POC weren't in a game based off Midevil Polish fantasy. How does a professional reviewer get away with that? Can you imagine if a guy said he was upset because Ghost of Tsushima had no white people? Could it be that maybe most the people that bought that game are in fact white dudes? And in throwing a bunch if sjw bullshit will actually hurt sales?

The main difference is the rightwing version of cancel culture may be a group of angry fans. The left has that same group as well but the difference is the left have people actually in the institutions that enforce their view and any cause to even question them is met with hostility.

I mean, I hear what you're saying, and yet...

@mattbbpl: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.voanews.com/usa/us-politics/sanders-backs-decriminalization-illegal-border-crossings%3famp

Is he lying though?

@silentchief: Again, let's do this then.

He may say whatever he wants, his actions of making stuff up, rallying people to harass his targets is effectively cancel culture. But please, keep defending him. Or you keep playing dumb and pretend that the repetition of his and his followers actions are accidental.

Regarding Cyberpunk, it is funny, you're right. He did implied she didn't play the game. And took her words (accidentally of course) out of context. He wasn't even refering to her review but to her words in another video where she said she only crafted stuff once and just picked stuff from the ground for the rest of the game because it was pointless. Valid criticism to the game. She also said she didn't engaged with all side quests because they were at odds with the sense of urgency of the main mission. Also a valid criticism.

On her reviews she states her own opinions, that's what reviews are. Personal judgements on a game. But it is nice that you defend TheQuartering for having his opinions and simultaneously defend that she deserves character assassination because she has left leaning opinions.

Yes, doxxing is certainly exclusive to the left. There's absolutely no reports of right wing groups doing just that. Ah wait, but the right doing it is just an exception and the left kinda deserves it.

The demographic is mostly normal people. Normal gamers that don't get triggered with muscled females or blue hair. I didn't picked TLoU2 to illustrate sales numbers, I picked it because you said it's almost impossible to find a game with a straight protagonist and I pointed out that from the best 2020 selling games there was ONE featuring a gay character, but that apparently was too much for you. You can try to rationalize why that game ending up as one of the best selling games is a bad thing, you do you, but that was not why I mentioned it.

The difference between right and left cancel culture is that after many years being dominated by the right now the left is much more impactful. Because in the past the right mostly used political and legislative powers to impose their views and persecute people, nowadays it's much more connected with consumer power over businesses. So as the right has trouble winning their battles they go with the victimisation route. (I'm not saying that victimisation is exclusive to the right if course).

@ghost_of_phobos: He doesn't rally people to harass others. Matter of fact he tells them to do the opposite. Does that mean some of his fans don't do it? Of course not but that's not the purpose of his channel. I guess what you should ask yourself is how does he have over a million followers now? Could it be because the leftwing pandering has hit an all time high and there is now demand for his content? His channel wouldn't have survived a decade ago and the fact it's now huge tells you something about nerd culture in general.

He didn't say she didn't play the game just that maybe she didn't do it enough to judge the mechanics. Regardless it's funny to hear a liberal white chick talk about how the representation of certain cultures offended her( a story that was actually written by a black man). So much so she listed it as a negative point in her review. This was the same reviewer who wondered( why all the zombies In Days gone were white) eventhough the game lore specifically mentioned it. Does a game review need a left leaning opinion??? And what would a right leaning opinion be? I love the main character because he's so straight and macho!? You would never hear that because it's shitty journalism yet you hear shitty journalism from the left all the time. It's gotten to the point where video games, movies etc feel like they have a progressive checklist quota and it's almost like reviewers are looking for it.

I don't believe she deserves a character assassination nor do I wish any harm for her. I just think game journalism In general is at an all time low and the fact YouTubers now have more subscribers then mainstream gaming sites proves I may be right.

No nobody deserves doxxing unless they committed a crime that actually hurt someone. It is predominantly a tactic used by those on the left but when the right does it it is wrong.....PERIOD!

I don't think normal gamers got triggered by a muscular female. They got triggered after that muscular female killed a fan favorite character and became one of the main characters at the expense of a previous character.

I also wasn't implying a straight protagonist is hard to find but a straight white male one seems to be what they want to stay away from eventhough their games still sell like hotcakes( TW3, RDR2 etc.)

My point is the left doesn't have the consumer power to justify their reasoning. Get woke go broke is a common term that more often then not holds true.

Your response to me rebutting your claim that Fox News doesn't sell fear to white folks about displaced is to provide me sources attempting to show that Fox News is accurate when they attempt to sell fear to white folks about being displaced?

@mattbbpl: I don't believe fox news spends as much time talking about the imminent threat of being replaced as CNN does about white supremacy.

The reality is you have one side that wants to do nothing about protecting the boarder and even incentives those to come over.

You have another that wants to protect the boarder and make it harder to come over. Which somehow gets linked to white supremacy.

@silentchief: I hear you. I'm over here watching brown people enter the country like:

@silentchief: Who cares what he says if he intentionally lies, or is colourful in his interpretations, and repeatedly leads to his followers harassing his targets. He has to say that, otherwise his channel would be gone.

His a gatekeeper, and appeals to a segment of nerd culture. He provides a product that some people consume. There's a cultural adjustment going on that's a profitable segment for him. Alt right outrage. It doesn't change the fact that he's the poster boy of right wing cancel culture.

So you say that developers want to stay away from making straight protagonists and in the same phrase you state those games sell like hit cakes. Weird people buying games you say don't exist.

But there was an increase in character customisation and representation in general, which is great, while the game's industry keeps growing regardless of the culture war being fought by both extremes.

@ghost_of_phobos: I don't really know of him intentionally lying. Maybe I haven't watched enough of his videos. But Regardless there has been a hard tilt left in gaming and nerd culture in general over the last 5 years.

It is weird that they try to stay away from something that is a proven success. Character customization is fine but I feel they put it in games because they are scared to create an original character themselves. Representation isn't the most important aspect in video games. Just as I don't need a white guy in a Samurai game I don't need a LGBTQ+ PoC to check off the list in my midevil fantasy adventure.

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@silentchief: I hear you. I'm over here watching brown people enter the country like:

It's actually happening though. Unlike white supremacy which is a fringe minority.

@silentchief: Not going to discuss this further but for the sake of truth. You said this: "He didn't say she didn't play the game just that maybe she didn't do it enough to judge the mechanics."

This is the literal title of one of his hit piece videos targeting her:

"Terrible Cyberpunk 2077 Review BUSTED! She Didn't Even Play The Game! Gamespot Is A Complete Joke!"

@ghost_of_phobos: If you watch the video he elaborates. Most YouTubers will have a click bait title though.

@silentchief: So you now agree with Comp_Atkin's' statement?

Fox is more likely to cover that but it is nowhere close to hysteria around white supremacy. .

@silentchief: I did watch the video at the time, and watched her video after his accusations. He was dishonest, both in the title and in his words.

With an extra dose of irony because he actually hadn't played the game when he accused her if not playing the game, and as time proved most of her criticisms were not only fair but she was actually one of the first journalists to call out the game for its flaws when others were giving it 9/10.

@silentchief: I'm just glad we now agree regarding Fox. One step forward.

@mattbbpl: And you don't believe CNN, MSNBC do the exact same thing with the white supremacy hysteria?