Out Magazine: Trump is racist for trying to decriminalize homosexuality

CNN is dogshit. I cant believe how bad its gotten. Makes Fox news look like its actually decent. And that's bad.

They made a song about Iran... I think it's about the oil crisis maybe.

There's no shame in admitting such, when it's in comparison to Fox News.

Racism and homophobia are not the same. So decriminalizing homosexuality cannot be considered racism. The title of this post should have been renamed.

If you read the article you would see that Out is arguing that the president’s reason to push for decriminalization of homosexuality is not out of a desire to protect homosexuals, but is just an excuse to come down on “brown” people in Arab countries that traditionally discriminate against homosexuals. Hence the racism in the decision according to them.

Even if you don’t read the article, at least two posters in this thread made a similar argument in their responses. Either as a way to push for sanctions or even use as an excuse to invade.

@ad1x2: which is moronic, but it’s equally moronic to take this at face value. There’s nothing that comes out of Trump that is good-hearted or humanistic, there’s always an angle, and to believe otherwise is pure gullibility and naïveté.

You're free to assume that there is an ulterior motive for the push to decriminalize homosexuality in those countries that still punish the LGBT community, but until those motives are actually revealed (not just hinted on by editors that despise Trump) it isn't a bad thing to at least hope this works out. Like I already said, some of those countries are legally allowed to execute homosexuals, which is far worse than simply not allowing them to openly serve in the military like we did until the DADT repeal (especially when you consider that military service is not a right, but a privilege for those considered medically, academically, and legally qualified).

Closer to home, the bill Trump recently signed that provided relief to some convicted felons may benefit a few people that traditionally vote Democrat. While I doubt many of those people will be on the Trump Train for 2020, I doubt neither them nor their families are refusing to take advantage of the benefit just because they would rather a Democrat sign it into law, or if they wonder why this didn't happen during the Obama Administration.

As nobody has yet explained to me the inconsistency in policy respective to Trump's treatment of LGBT issues (as I've asked for numerous times in this thread for posters to conveniently ignore it), I'll retain that ulterior motive. When someone can give me a valid reason why Trump decides to strip people of civil rights but then fights for those rights when they occupy the same group, I'll listen.

I'll not credit someone who is a convicted rapist that comes out for women's rights until they give me a damn good cause to. Same concept here.

What freedoms has Trump taken away from the LGQBT..... community?

Anyways why not wait until you see what is being done, after all, there are countries where those groups have it far worse than anything you feel is being taken away in America.

I will admit that he has a lot of work to do if he wants to be win over the LGBT community, but it's a false equivalence to compare what he is doing to a rapist pushing for women's rights. In case you haven't figured it out, comments like that are why people make the "If Trump cured cancer" jokes. No matter what his real reason may be to push for this, the result should in theory be nothing but a benefit. Granted, living in a theocracy or caliphate based on a religion that looks at homosexuals as subhuman sinners may not help much even if laws permitting their execution are removed (see ISIS executing homosexuals in Iraq where it's legal to be gay as an example), but it's a start.

One big thing people like to throw at his face are the rules on people in the military that are transgender. There are a lot of legitimate reasons why it wasn't allowed for a very long time that had absolutely nothing to do with being transphobic, just like not allowing obese people in the military has nothing to do with fat shaming. While there are plenty of transgender people that can serve honorably (same thing with troops that gained weight and deployed while overweight but still did their jobs) there are others that would be a huge burden.

Combat is possibly one of the most stressful things a person can go through, and if a normal person with no known mental health issues can break down due to that, you can imagine how much worse it could be for someone that is part of a group that has over a 40 percent rate of attempted suicide. Even one documented suicide attempt permanently bars you from enlisting for medical reasons even if you are a straight cisgender person. Combat isn't like working behind a desk, grill, or counter, if you lose your medication or hormones a pharmacy with a refill isn't going to be a ten minute drive away.

For centuries, imperialists have co-opted liberal values in order to justify wars, conquests and genocides against other nations and peoples. We saw this with genocides against Africans and Native Americans, for example, painting them as savages in order to justify their enslavement and/or extermination. And in the last century, millions around the world have been massacred in the name of democracy, which has been the third deadliest ideology of the last century, killing an estimated 15 million people, behind only communism and fascism. The holier-than-thou mission (a.k.a. "white man's burden") to spread democracy and civil rights through imperialism and colonialism is an extremely dangerous ideology... One can only hope that Trump isn't using civil rights as an excuse to wage wars like his Republican predecessor Bush.

You have forgotten this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War

Islamic Ottoman Empire's state proxies has slavery, tribute tax and piracy on southern Europeans until US Navy put a stop to it.

According to Robert Davis, between 1 and 1.25 million Europeans were captured by Barbary pirates and sold as slaves between the 16th and 19th centuries.^[7]

US Navy was created to stop Islamic Ottoman Empire's state proxies slavery and piracy and it's the beginning for US Navy's freedom of navigation foreign policy.

US stopping Ottoman Empire's western slave trade leads to US civil war over Black slaves issue.

In terms of civilian society, it's a big nothing burger issue and very little has changed from Obama era.

@ronvalencia: How is the Golden Age of Piracy relevant to what I just said? My point was about how liberal values can be co-opted by warmongers and imperialists to wage wars/genocides/atrocities against other nations and peoples. That has hardly anything to do with pirates, who were just petty sea criminals trying to make money from raiding/looting ships and capturing/selling slaves (whether it was Caribbean pirates capturing African & Native American slaves, or Barbary pirates capturing European slaves).

Not sure how I missed this, but I've already provided links providing as much. Please read them if you're curious.