Paul Waldman: "Single Payer" is Becoming a Democratic Concensus

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#51 Jacanuk
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@xdude85 said:
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@Jacanuk:

When you're terminally ill, that means there is no treatment of any kind that can cure you. Saying that someone is terminally ill while saying that they still "have a chance" is a complete contradiction.

The problems the NHS is facing is the result of conservative policies in the U.K., who have cut funding and have privatized some parts of it.

Don´t be a muppet. Saying someone is terminally ill does not mean they should stop trying to find something that may be that one in a trillion shot.

The NHS did what did, gave up all hope and just went on with their lives. Where as to the us doctors well they never gave up hope, and that is one of the worst things about a single payer system, the doctors have no drive.

And who cares why the NHS is underfunded, it´s underfunded is the main problem.

Except that's what being terminally ill means, there's no cure or treatment of any kind to prevent you from dying. Just because you let someone go due to them having an incurable disease or condition doesn't make you a quitter.

The reasons to why the NHS is underfunded is a big deal. You brought it up after all.

Your complaint that the U.K. healthcare is inadequate and falling short is due to U.K. conservative policies. The U.K.'s healthcare system wouldn't be facing these problems if it weren't for spending cuts made by conservative policies.

Now you are just being a literal Jane. How many cases is there where the doctors have declared someone terminally ill only for some crazy miracle to happen. Try to at least use a bit of common sense. Not everything have to be cut into cardboard.

And there is always hope , hope lives eternal.

The reasons why NHS is underfunded is not what i brought up, i said it´s underfunded and someone claimed it was not. Only important thing here is that its a well established fact that the NHS is underfunded.

And sure blame the conservatives and their cuts, but at the same time, the public also don´t want to pay 50-60% tax so you actually highlighting one of the biggest problem with a single payer system. Costs increase but people don´t want to pay insane amount of tax.

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@xdude85 said:
@Jacanuk said:
@xdude85 said:

@Jacanuk:

When you're terminally ill, that means there is no treatment of any kind that can cure you. Saying that someone is terminally ill while saying that they still "have a chance" is a complete contradiction.

The problems the NHS is facing is the result of conservative policies in the U.K., who have cut funding and have privatized some parts of it.

Don´t be a muppet. Saying someone is terminally ill does not mean they should stop trying to find something that may be that one in a trillion shot.

The NHS did what did, gave up all hope and just went on with their lives. Where as to the us doctors well they never gave up hope, and that is one of the worst things about a single payer system, the doctors have no drive.

And who cares why the NHS is underfunded, it´s underfunded is the main problem.

Except that's what being terminally ill means, there's no cure or treatment of any kind to prevent you from dying. Just because you let someone go due to them having an incurable disease or condition doesn't make you a quitter.

The reasons to why the NHS is underfunded is a big deal. You brought it up after all.

Your complaint that the U.K. healthcare is inadequate and falling short is due to U.K. conservative policies. The U.K.'s healthcare system wouldn't be facing these problems if it weren't for spending cuts made by conservative policies.

Actually, most medical systems are under duress in the first world. The populations are aging and that becomes more expensive for any medical system.

As for terminal illness, we all have it the day we are born.