Psychologists findings on Trump supporters internet searches

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#51  Edited By TryIt
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@MirkoS77 said:
@tryit said:
@Maroxad said:
@tryit said:

ah ok so the academic scientific process is something you hold to have more credibility then not.

good to know, just checking.

now...for my clear understanding, are you disputing the data found by the internet searchs or are you disputing the conclusions of those facts gathered?

Yes, when something passes peer review, I generally hold it in higher regard. I still remain skeptical, but usually not to the same extent.

I am disputing the conclusions of those facts gathered. The facts themselves seem accurate.

ok...so the facts are that more male Trump supporters do these searches then non-Trump supporters.

What?

From what I'm reading, it's only been shown that places who voted for Trump overwhelmingly showed ....

I stopped right there.

again...read carefully...I am NOT i repeat I am NOT drawing conclusions on the facts gathered. the facts gathered are that those searches happen more then in other categories...FULL STOP.. do not move forward from that..stop right there...full stop.

it prooves nothing..other than those searches did in fact happen more so then in other groups.

correct?

because that is all I am pointing out, dont make this hard on yourself

again..I am not making an assertion of causation. I am pointing to the fact part of the study, not the conclusions.

do you put into question the actual data itself..again NOT the conclusions of the fact but only strickly the data gathered of internet searches...focus ONLY on that part

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#52 MirkoS77
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@tryit: no, but facts ultimately mean nothing on their own aside that they are facts. So any argument you wish to further from them demand greater context, otherwise they are meaningless.

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#53  Edited By TryIt
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@MirkoS77 said:

@tryit: no, but facts ultimately mean nothing on their own aside that they are facts. So any argument you wish to further from them demand greater context, otherwise they are meaningless.

Fact: more male Trump supporters do searches for how to pick up women then non trump supporters

Meaning: unknown.

its still a fact, it not having known meaning does not make it not factual full stop, do you dispute the fact?

no?

good then fine, that part is factual, WHY its the case is for others to dispute and argue over

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#54 Damedius
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@tryit said:

I stopped right there.

again...read carefully...I am NOT i repeat I am NOT drawing conclusions on the facts gathered. the facts gathered are that those searches happen more then in other categories...FULL STOP.. do not move forward from that..stop right there...full stop.

it prooves nothing..other than those searches did in fact happen more so then in other groups.

correct?

because that is all I am pointing out, dont make this hard on yourself

again..I am not making an assertion of causation. I am pointing to the fact part of the study, not the conclusions.

do you put into question the actual data itself..again NOT the conclusions of the fact but only strickly the data gathered of internet searches...focus ONLY on that part

You said "so the facts are that more male Trump supporters do these searches then non-Trump supporters."

Which is incorrect. If you read the article carefully you will see that they have no idea who made the searches.

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#55  Edited By TryIt
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@Damedius said:
@tryit said:

I stopped right there.

again...read carefully...I am NOT i repeat I am NOT drawing conclusions on the facts gathered. the facts gathered are that those searches happen more then in other categories...FULL STOP.. do not move forward from that..stop right there...full stop.

it prooves nothing..other than those searches did in fact happen more so then in other groups.

correct?

because that is all I am pointing out, dont make this hard on yourself

again..I am not making an assertion of causation. I am pointing to the fact part of the study, not the conclusions.

do you put into question the actual data itself..again NOT the conclusions of the fact but only strickly the data gathered of internet searches...focus ONLY on that part

You said "so the facts are that more male Trump supporters do these searches then non-Trump supporters."

Which is incorrect. If you read the article carefully you will see that they have no idea who made the searches.

that appears to be false.

yeah I know, you are suggesting that all those searches are done under their accounts but actually done by other people...yeah I get it.

lol

stop while you are ahead

BUT...thank you for encouraging me to read the article AGAIN. I shall, its intresting

like this part:

Most interestingly, the researchers found there was not a strong correlation between these search items and votes for Mitt Romney in 2012 and John McCain in 2008,

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#56  Edited By Damedius
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@tryit said:
@Damedius said:
@tryit said:

I stopped right there.

again...read carefully...I am NOT i repeat I am NOT drawing conclusions on the facts gathered. the facts gathered are that those searches happen more then in other categories...FULL STOP.. do not move forward from that..stop right there...full stop.

it prooves nothing..other than those searches did in fact happen more so then in other groups.

correct?

because that is all I am pointing out, dont make this hard on yourself

again..I am not making an assertion of causation. I am pointing to the fact part of the study, not the conclusions.

do you put into question the actual data itself..again NOT the conclusions of the fact but only strickly the data gathered of internet searches...focus ONLY on that part

You said "so the facts are that more male Trump supporters do these searches then non-Trump supporters."

Which is incorrect. If you read the article carefully you will see that they have no idea who made the searches.

that appears to be false.

yeah I know, you are suggesting that all those searches are done under their accounts but actually done by other people...yeah I get it.

lol

stop while you are ahead

You didn't read it did you?

Don't answer, it's a rhetorical question.

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#57 TryIt
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@Damedius said:
@tryit said:
@Damedius said:
@tryit said:

I stopped right there.

again...read carefully...I am NOT i repeat I am NOT drawing conclusions on the facts gathered. the facts gathered are that those searches happen more then in other categories...FULL STOP.. do not move forward from that..stop right there...full stop.

it prooves nothing..other than those searches did in fact happen more so then in other groups.

correct?

because that is all I am pointing out, dont make this hard on yourself

again..I am not making an assertion of causation. I am pointing to the fact part of the study, not the conclusions.

do you put into question the actual data itself..again NOT the conclusions of the fact but only strickly the data gathered of internet searches...focus ONLY on that part

You said "so the facts are that more male Trump supporters do these searches then non-Trump supporters."

Which is incorrect. If you read the article carefully you will see that they have no idea who made the searches.

that appears to be false.

yeah I know, you are suggesting that all those searches are done under their accounts but actually done by other people...yeah I get it.

lol

stop while you are ahead

You didn't read it did you?

Don't answer, it's a rhetorical question.

oh you absolutely encouraged me to read it, thank you.

I am reading it now, please tell me if I got this right

The article is saying in areas of the country in which Trump voting was the strongest just so happens to be the same areas in which these search terms are used. however, in areas in which other GOP candidates where up for election those terms were not as strong.

do I have that right? because lets get the facts part of this right before we start jerking over the conclusions these guys are making...ok?

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#58 Maroxad
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@tryit said:

oh you absolutely encouraged me to read it, thank you.

I am reading it now, please tell me if I got this right

The article is saying in areas of the country in which Trump voting was the strongest just so happens to be the same areas in which these search terms are used. however, in areas in which other GOP candidates where up for election those terms were not as strong.

do I have that right? because lets get the facts part of this right before we start jerking over the conclusions these guys are making...ok?

No one here is jumping to any conclusions... aside from what you did earlier.

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#59  Edited By TryIt
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@Maroxad said:
@tryit said:

oh you absolutely encouraged me to read it, thank you.

I am reading it now, please tell me if I got this right

The article is saying in areas of the country in which Trump voting was the strongest just so happens to be the same areas in which these search terms are used. however, in areas in which other GOP candidates where up for election those terms were not as strong.

do I have that right? because lets get the facts part of this right before we start jerking over the conclusions these guys are making...ok?

No one here is jumping to any conclusions... aside from what you did earlier.

I have absolutely from the start held a HARD LINE to NOT draw any conclusions from this. in fact I think I am the ONLY one in this forum who is trying to keep people focused only on the hard data, not the conclusions.

now the hard data appears to show (and feel free to correct me if I am wrong) that if I am driving around the country and find myself in an area of the country in which Trump voters are in larger numbers then it also means there is a much higher case of those search terms being used.

FULL STOP.

what that 'means' is an ENTIRELY different conversation that I am not part of and not going to be a part of so feel comfort in that

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#60 Damedius
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@tryit said:

now the hard data appears to show

Hard to say from the article since it doesn't actually link the hard data.

Though they are claiming that those searches are more prevalent in areas where Trump did better.

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#61  Edited By TryIt
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@Damedius said:
@tryit said:

now the hard data appears to show

Hard to say from the article since it doesn't actually link the hard data.

Though they are claiming that those searches are more prevalent in areas where Trump did better.

that appears to me to be the assertion.

I assume its correct (the actual data collected) because I dont have any real reason to think it would be false.

simple

as

that

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@tryit said:
@Damedius said:
@tryit said:

now the hard data appears to show

Hard to say from the article since it doesn't actually link the hard data.

Though they are claiming that those searches are more prevalent in areas where Trump did better.

that appears to me to be the assertion.

I assume its correct (the actual data collected) because I dont have any real reason to think it would be false.

simple

as

that

I have seen some really shady studies.

For instance a study making conclusions about the effectiveness of flu vaccines. They conducted the study by using anonymous phone calls where almost no one called the phone number.

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#63  Edited By TryIt
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@Damedius said:
@tryit said:
@Damedius said:
@tryit said:

now the hard data appears to show

Hard to say from the article since it doesn't actually link the hard data.

Though they are claiming that those searches are more prevalent in areas where Trump did better.

that appears to me to be the assertion.

I assume its correct (the actual data collected) because I dont have any real reason to think it would be false.

simple

as

that

I have seen some really shady studies.

For instance a study making conclusions...

again...repeating NOT ADDRESSING CONCLUSIONS

We are ONLY discussing the facts gathered. I will not be a part of, nor address, nor discuss, the conclusions of the study.

It does appear that it is a FACT that if you find yourself in an area of the country that has more Trump supporters then you will have a higher number of these searches...FULL STOP.

what does it mean? I haven't a fucking clue.

but it does appear to be factual.

unless they lied about the digital information gathered because that is hard to get wrong but yes it is possible that a bunch of trolls did their work for them but I doubt it

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#64 Damedius
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@tryit said:

but it does appear to be factual.

How can you personally tell what the hard data says without looking at the hard data?

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#65  Edited By TryIt
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@Damedius said:
@tryit said:

but it does appear to be factual.

How can you personally tell what the hard data says without looking at the hard data?

because I have no reason to doubt that its accurate statistically speaking

how can you be sure the sun will rise tomorrow? because statistically its highly likely that it will (dont troll on 'sun doesnt rise exactly bla bla bla)

how do you know for sure you can walk right now without actually walking? same answer

more over, the claim itself is not absurd, in fact not really surprising. so there is that as well and what would be the motivation to lie about the data? and finally occam razor to top it off

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#66 Damedius
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@tryit said:
@Damedius said:
@tryit said:

but it does appear to be factual.

How can you personally tell what the hard data says without looking at the hard data?

because I have no reason to doubt that its accurate statistically speaking

how can you be sure the sun will rise tomorrow? because statistically its highly likely that it will (dont troll on 'sun doesnt rise exactly bla bla bla)

how do you know for sure you can walk right now without actually walking? same answer

more over, the claim itself is not absurd, in fact not really surprising. so there is that as well and what would be the motivation to lie about the data? and finally occam razor to top it off

That's a long winded way of saying you can't.

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@Damedius said:
@tryit said:
@Damedius said:
@tryit said:

but it does appear to be factual.

How can you personally tell what the hard data says without looking at the hard data?

because I have no reason to doubt that its accurate statistically speaking

how can you be sure the sun will rise tomorrow? because statistically its highly likely that it will (dont troll on 'sun doesnt rise exactly bla bla bla)

how do you know for sure you can walk right now without actually walking? same answer

more over, the claim itself is not absurd, in fact not really surprising. so there is that as well and what would be the motivation to lie about the data? and finally occam razor to top it off

That's a long winded way of saying you can't.

so you are saying you cant be sure you know how to walk?

exact same logic

this whole 'you have no idea if the world is round unless you are in space yourself personally and see it' is a bunch of grade A horseshit.

the very first step in lie dedication is what? figuring out the motive. what would the motive be for this specific lie?

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@bigfootpart3: I didn't do anything actually. Glad you can have a mature, well reasoned response and not result to name calling, again. Enjoy the ban though.

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#70 N64DD
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@tryit said:
@Damedius said:
@tryit said:
@Damedius said:
@tryit said:

but it does appear to be factual.

How can you personally tell what the hard data says without looking at the hard data?

because I have no reason to doubt that its accurate statistically speaking

how can you be sure the sun will rise tomorrow? because statistically its highly likely that it will (dont troll on 'sun doesnt rise exactly bla bla bla)

how do you know for sure you can walk right now without actually walking? same answer

more over, the claim itself is not absurd, in fact not really surprising. so there is that as well and what would be the motivation to lie about the data? and finally occam razor to top it off

That's a long winded way of saying you can't.

so you are saying you cant be sure you know how to walk?

exact same logic

this whole 'you have no idea if the world is round unless you are in space yourself personally and see it' is a bunch of grade A horseshit.

the very first step in lie dedication is what? figuring out the motive. what would the motive be for this specific lie?

One is well documented. One is not.

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#71  Edited By LJS9502_basic
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@n64dd said:

@bigfootpart3: I didn't do anything actually. Glad you can have a mature, well reasoned response and not result to name calling, again. Enjoy the ban though.

Dude...........

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#72 N64DD
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@LJS9502_basic: Yes?

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#73 LJS9502_basic
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@n64dd said:

@LJS9502_basic: Yes?

You're not getting people banned are you? That's not cool.

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@n64dd said:

@LJS9502_basic: Yes?

You're not getting people banned are you? That's not cool.

How would I ban people? I'm not a mod.

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#75 LJS9502_basic
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@n64dd said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@n64dd said:

@LJS9502_basic: Yes?

You're not getting people banned are you? That's not cool.

How would I ban people? I'm not a mod.

Reporting. LOL don't play semantics. Anyway enjoy.

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#76  Edited By TryIt
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@n64dd said:
@tryit said:
@Damedius said:
@tryit said:

because I have no reason to doubt that its accurate statistically speaking

how can you be sure the sun will rise tomorrow? because statistically its highly likely that it will (dont troll on 'sun doesnt rise exactly bla bla bla)

how do you know for sure you can walk right now without actually walking? same answer

more over, the claim itself is not absurd, in fact not really surprising. so there is that as well and what would be the motivation to lie about the data? and finally occam razor to top it off

That's a long winded way of saying you can't.

so you are saying you cant be sure you know how to walk?

exact same logic

this whole 'you have no idea if the world is round unless you are in space yourself personally and see it' is a bunch of grade A horseshit.

the very first step in lie dedication is what? figuring out the motive. what would the motive be for this specific lie?

One is well documented. One is not.

I am not very smart at all (educated perhaps but smart absolutely positively not as you have multiple times illustrated) as such could you be more verbose in your replies because most of the time I have no idea what you are saying, reply to me as if I am a child

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@n64dd said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@n64dd said:

@LJS9502_basic: Yes?

You're not getting people banned are you? That's not cool.

How would I ban people? I'm not a mod.

Reporting. LOL don't play semantics. Anyway enjoy.

I honestly rarely flag anyone anymore. Mainly spam posts.

@tryit I was referring to your response of we don't need proof of walking and the sun, etc.