Republicans have lost the popular vote in 7 out of the last 8 presidential elections

There are inherent benefits of being in a Constitutional Republic; for example, when you have one half of a state with a 5+ million popular vote difference, they're luckily not having a major deciding factor in a nationwide election.

"Do you think a city can provide it's own food and energy? It cannot."

these 'urban' states would just start their own farms... it's not like it's a magical thing that only red states can accomplish. California is in the top 10 in terms of number of farms in America. so once again, you're lacking information and logic.

Further, The Electoral College was pushed by the South because if we used the popular vote, then they would always lose out to the North since slaves weren't considered citizens and didn't get a vote. however, with the EC, they were able to argue the idea of the '3/5 compromise', where they were able to count each slave as 3/5 of one person, therefore helping the South, who was the minority in terms of population, gain power outside of their actual influence at the time via funky math. so you see, the implementation of the EC was NEVER about fair elections... it was about the South trying to gain more power than they should have

I agree with most of your points, but I don't really care about the china thing. Don't get me wrong, they need to be punished for their covid BS which originated in their wunan province. But on the other hand, why should the US even care about china? Is it because they are more competitive, building advanced tech, better at trade? That just makes the US look like a weak sad joke that can't compete in a free market. Most people still believe that USA is the land of freedom and democracy and that US shouldn't need to resort to these kinds of tactics to keep China down.

But as usual Eoten, you're wrong. The EC does favor Republicans, they objectively have a statistical edge with it. Biden won it in spite of this fact. Favoring doesn't mean it's impossible to win it, it's just more difficult and the inverse will likely never happen in our life times (Dem winning EC but not PV). As time goes on the chance of a GOP candidate winning both PV and EC diminishes.

If you disagree, can you factually refute these 2 studies?

Electoral College Overwhelmingly Favors Republicans, Abolishing Entire System Only Remedy: Study (newsweek.com)

The Republican Party is set to win a large majority of all future close presidential elections, even contests in which they lose the popular vote, according to a recent study.

GOP candidates for president can expect to be victorious in 65 percent of future presidential elections and University of Texas at Austin researchers analyzed why "inversions" — where the popular vote winner loses the overall election — has happened twice since 2000.

The study authors found that the Electoral College's winner-take-all approach favors Republicans and has pushed them to victories in 2000 and 2016.

The researchers concluded that inversions will occur more and more in 2020 and beyond unless a policy change completely dissolves, rather than reforms, the Electoral College.

The study released by the National Bureau of Economic Research last month found that one-third of presidential candidates who win the popular by less than 2 percentage points can still lose the Electoral College votes. In races decided by fewer than one percentage point, there's a 45 percent chance the popular vote winner still manages to lose the Electoral College.

Dean Spears, one of the UT-Austin researchers partnered in the study, told Huffington Post there have only been four inversions in presidential elections since 1836. Two such electoral inversions occurred in Republican George W. Bush's victory over Al Gore in 2000, and Republican Donald Trump's defeat of Hillary Clinton in 2016.

"What is fundamental to the Electoral College is that an inversion is very likely in a close election," study co-author Dean Spears told HuffPost. "Right now, in this moment in history, Republicans have the advantage. But that could change. Some of these potential policy changes wouldn't so much as reverse the probability of the inversions as shift it around."

Daily chart - America’s anachronistic electoral college gives Republicans an edge | Graphic detail | The Economist

I await studies showing the opposite, with full data provided.

P.S. Democrats win the popular vote more often because their policies are more popular and they generally do a better job (HDI/SOL/QOL/Economy).

Most of his china points were Breitbart garbage. Even Trump has more ties lol.

So? That’s not how elections are won. And I get most of you don’t know, but Clinton only won because Perot took votes away from the GOP. No Perot we have Republicans up until 2008 at min!

@ronaldreagan2: "So? That’s not how elections are won."

You don't see it as problematic for the republican party when they consistently don't have the support of the nation?

Technically the GTA and southern ontario in general is one of the reasons to why trudeau is still in power. When the conservatives are losing seats in the GTA and other parts of southern ontario they held or were competitive in years ago by 15, 20, 25 or even 30 points it's impossible for them to form government. The massive swing to the liberals in parts of the GTA,southern ontario and toronto proper in 2019 was one of the reasons to why they were able to form government again. Some ridings like milton swung like 20 points to the left in 2019. Quebec and Atlantic Canada definitely did help the liberals a bit but they lost a significant amount of support in both regions in 2019.

@Serraph105: We do. Look at state legislatures, look at the senate and how Republicans keep doing well in the House.

As I said, Dems only got the popular vote in the 90s due to Perot and 2000, 2016 and 2020 were fraud. Obama is the only Dem to win the pop vote.

Doesn’t matter, the EC is there to stop tyranny of the majority.

@Serraph105: There's always another metric. Unpopular by popular vote, declare a mandate by electoral college results. Unpopular by both, declare a mandate by number of counties won or (looks above) House results (wait, they're not in power there), I mean senate results (yeah, that'll do for now).

and yet it being used to do it. funny one side really gamed it hard. wonder why...

@ronaldreagan2: "2000, 2016 and 2020 were fraud."

I see that you have dived headfirst into unsubstantiated conspiracy theories.

@Serraph105: Looks like to dived headfirst into denial.

Not that it's important, but you guys lose the national vote in those too. Lots of empty land, gerrymandering, and small states for Senate padding is fun. Democrat policies are more popular and Democrats do a better job.

you sound a lot like Eoten... in that you don't comprehend reality and your opinion is based on ignorance, not facts.

Popular vote hasn’t mattered in a long time, so who cares?

80 million+ who voted for Biden?

@horgen: doesnt matter.

Though is different from "who cares".

Yeah, I knew this. America's population isn't a center-right nation. It's unfortunately governed like one. Liberals/democrats will only keep growing as the generation of kids even younger than me (28) get more and more liberal. Talking to younger voters now is pretty inspiring. They are even more empathetic and socially progressive than ever. It will only keep going.