So how do we stop global warming/climate change?

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#1 deactivated-5f9e3c6a83e51
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No dumb replies like "stop burning fossil fuels!1!" I'm looking for legit answers, not these vague and impractical.

Yes, inventing an energy source that is completely green would be great, but that's probably not something that's going to be ready in time to stop the world's end. So what to do?

Improve efficiency? Still burning fuels, but less.

Go vegan? Livestock contribute a significant amount of methane and other pollution. But, I dont know if I'm snooty enough to go full vegan.

Concentrate populations and focus on mass transit to reduce pollution?

Cull the population? Too many humans consuming too much. Wipe out a good portion of them and return the land to its animal stewards?

Plant more trees? I see those cool buildings in some cities with plant roofs and such - supposedly decreases pollution and such but that would be under improved efficiency I guess.

Fire away!

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#2 deactivated-5b1e62582e305
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AFAIK a lot of your suggestions are already happening, which is pretty great.

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Curb the massive growth in population. It will affect the economy and it has to.

Go away from a buy and throw away mindset we got today. Repair and fix.

In general eat less meat. At least we in the West should follow this advice. Don't know what is normal in other regions of the world.

In general I guess improve efficiency on everything that uses energy, especially that which uses fossil fuels.

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@sonicare said:

No dumb replies like "stop burning fossil fuels!1!" I'm looking for legit answers, not these vague and impractical.

Yes, inventing an energy source that is completely green would be great, but that's probably not something that's going to be ready in time to stop the world's end. So what to do?

Improve efficiency? Still burning fuels, but less.

Go vegan? Livestock contribute a significant amount of methane and other pollution. But, I dont know if I'm snooty enough to go full vegan.

Concentrate populations and focus on mass transit to reduce pollution?

Cull the population? Too many humans consuming too much. Wipe out a good portion of them and return the land to its animal stewards?

Plant more trees? I see those cool buildings in some cities with plant roofs and such - supposedly decreases pollution and such but that would be under improved efficiency I guess.

Fire away!

its too late actually.

we could have changed it by reducing c02 about 10-20 years ago but now its too late.

hopefully the right wing brilliant scientists were correct becasue its all in their hands now

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Some of the things we've recently done here in the house in the last few weeks (some of them we were already semi-doing but we doubled down on):

Scrapped the plan to have a second child

Became vegetarians (the plan is to go full vegan but we love cheese, so until we find a good alternative...)

We cycle everywhere that takes less than 2 hours (which means that for me using the car is a once a month thing now...plans to buy a greener car but right now since we barely use it it's not a priority)

Reduced the amount of plastic and paper we use, especially on food products (all those plastic containers wrapped in plastic wrapped in cardboard now stay in the shelves). We also don't use plastic bags; we've been using the same bag for 7 years now

Reduced the amount of trash to a small garbage bag a week

Stopped with all sorts of sprays and most products with plastic particles

We use a lot less water and electricity (no long showers, no leaving lights on in other rooms, put a jacket on instead of turning the heater on, etc)

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get rid of crypto-currency, in many countries crypto-mining operations are being powered by coal-burning power plants and use a shit-ton of power

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@with_teeth26 said:

get rid of crypto-currency, in many countries crypto-mining operations are being powered by coal-burning power plants and use a shit-ton of power

Help with Climate Change and absurd PC gaming prices (objectively best form of gaming) at the same time?

2 birds with 1 step, epic.

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#9 Serraph105
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I actually think most of the problems will be solved by innovations in technology. Your list is pretty good, but allow me to make some comments on each that I see as more likely solutions.

@sonicare said:

No dumb replies like "stop burning fossil fuels!1!" I'm looking for legit answers, not these vague and impractical.

Yes, inventing an energy source that is completely green would be great, but that's probably not something that's going to be ready in time to stop the world's end. So what to do? First up, yes we're working on switching to many forms of energy, solar, wind, and many will likely use nuclear (despite it's dangers) as a stop gap measure in between the switch.

Improve efficiency? Still burning fuels, but less. Yes, improve the efficiency of pretty much everything and give economic incentives to do so.

Go vegan? Livestock contribute a significant amount of methane and other pollution. But, I dont know if I'm snooty enough to go full vegan. Honestly this may be the least effective solution you offered. I think the real thing that will reduce the need for large amounts of farm animals being grown (which will cut down on forest reduction along with reducing CO2 and methane emitions) will be perfecting lab grown meat both in terms of taste and cost. This way we won't simply be hoping that people choose to consume less meat, but instead be providing a source of meat that will be less carbon intensive. Changing lifestyles is hard for people, changing the source of their lifestyle is much easier.

Concentrate populations and focus on mass transit to reduce pollution? I don't know if this would work or not.

Cull the population? Too many humans consuming too much. Wipe out a good portion of them and return the land to its animal stewards? We've been doing this, and continue to do so by getting people on board with using contraception as well as improving the lives of people economically so they don't feel the need to have excess children in order to survive in later life. Africa is a good example of these efforts, Mexico as well. Simply killing a bunch of people is not a long term solution nor an ethical one.

Plant more trees? I see those cool buildings in some cities with plant roofs and such - supposedly decreases pollution and such but that would be under improved efficiency I guess. Always, also sustainable farming of trees has been an excellent practice of the logging industry. Beyond that there's plenty of evidence that growing forests can restore land to a more fertile state and thus far more useful to humans.

Fire away!

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I think 80% of the population needs to go. Let America and Russia do their thing.

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@sonicare said:

Yes, inventing an energy source that is completely green would be great, but that's probably not something that's going to be ready in time to stop the world's end. So what to do?

what do you mean by completely green?

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@sonicare said:

Go vegan? Livestock contribute a significant amount of methane and other pollution. But, I dont know if I'm snooty enough to go full vegan.

Even just eating less meat makes a big difference. You don't have to go full vegan or even vegetarian.

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I was joking about the culling the population one. Lol.

But i've heard that solar is not so green. Better than fossil fuels, but a lot of the components are supposedly toxic. However, I am pulling my usual and speaking out of mostly ignorance on the subject.

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#14  Edited By Jacanuk
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@sonicare said:

No dumb replies like "stop burning fossil fuels!1!" I'm looking for legit answers, not these vague and impractical.

Yes, inventing an energy source that is completely green would be great, but that's probably not something that's going to be ready in time to stop the world's end. So what to do?

Improve efficiency? Still burning fuels, but less.

Go vegan? Livestock contribute a significant amount of methane and other pollution. But, I dont know if I'm snooty enough to go full vegan.

Concentrate populations and focus on mass transit to reduce pollution?

Cull the population? Too many humans consuming too much. Wipe out a good portion of them and return the land to its animal stewards?

Plant more trees? I see those cool buildings in some cities with plant roofs and such - supposedly decreases pollution and such but that would be under improved efficiency I guess.

Fire away!

Go Vegan are you crazy? also, it's not an environmental benefit to go vegan, the only reason to go vegan is that of moral issues.

As to Climate Change, well, let us roll with it and see where it takes us is my bet.

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@sonicare said:

I was joking about the culling the population one. Lol.

But i've heard that solar is not so green. Better than fossil fuels, but a lot of the components are supposedly toxic. However, I am pulling my usual and speaking out of mostly ignorance on the subject.

are we talking about climate change or protecting the environment in general?

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@stormcast said:
@sonicare said:

I was joking about the culling the population one. Lol.

But i've heard that solar is not so green. Better than fossil fuels, but a lot of the components are supposedly toxic. However, I am pulling my usual and speaking out of mostly ignorance on the subject.

are we talking about climate change or protecting the environment in general?

They go hand in hand, at least, I think they do.

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85% is too much. This guy is a monster.

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#18  Edited By deactivated-5b173a489ba56
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@sonicare said:
@stormcast said:
@sonicare said:

I was joking about the culling the population one. Lol.

But i've heard that solar is not so green. Better than fossil fuels, but a lot of the components are supposedly toxic. However, I am pulling my usual and speaking out of mostly ignorance on the subject.

are we talking about climate change or protecting the environment in general?

They go hand in hand, at least, I think they do.

but look at solar, no carbon being released therefore no climate change, but it's supposedly dirty to produce and mining the stuff for it wrecks the local environment.

and then you have stuff like the three gorges dam

they way i see it is that's better to have minor local pollution than a global existential threat.

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@Jacanuk said:

As to Climate Change, well, let us roll with it and see where it takes us is my bet.

well that's basically what's been happening

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#20  Edited By Maroxad
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Your answers pretty much define the Bright Green Environmentalist stance, and is also very popular among scientists and engineers.

@sonicare said:

No dumb replies like "stop burning fossil fuels!1!" I'm looking for legit answers, not these vague and impractical.

Yes, inventing an energy source that is completely green would be great, but that's probably not something that's going to be ready in time to stop the world's end. So what to do?

Improve efficiency? Still burning fuels, but less. Yeah, burning fuels still is pretty useful for things like cars and heating. Coal however, we should ideally stop subsidizing it, and let the free market kill that industry. As far as that fuel source is concerned, it is the end of an era. Natural Gas and Fuel Oil still have a future, but the efficiency of coal has pretty much stagnated. Nuclear power is a great transitional power source in the meantime. But solar is catching up really fast, with solar panels now taking roughly a year to repay themselves.

Go vegan? Livestock contribute a significant amount of methane and other pollution. But, I dont know if I'm snooty enough to go full vegan. I don't know about going vegan but have you heard of vatgrown meat? The tech has gotten immensively better and by the end of hte year it is predicted that by the end of this year. Vatgrown meat will be available in some regions as food served in resturaunts.

Concentrate populations and focus on mass transit to reduce pollution? This is a fairly good idea.

Cull the population? Too many humans consuming too much. Wipe out a good portion of them and return the land to its animal stewards? By culling population I hope you mean discourage more people from having babies. I have opted out of having babies for this, as well as other reasons. Improving standards of living in impoverished regions can greatly reduce the birth rates there. Just look at what happened in Iran. They went from having a very high one to 1.7 per woman.

Plant more trees? I see those cool buildings in some cities with plant roofs and such - supposedly decreases pollution and such but that would be under improved efficiency I guess. Oh yes, green cities are very beautiful. Curitiba in Brazil very much so

Fire away!

Basically clever regulation and innovation is the key, not outright bans.

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#21  Edited By lamprey263
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geo-engineering, likely all the normal crap they say just slows the pace of global warming, but to fully reverse it, we'll have to come up with ways to improve climate for the better, including weather control

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The market forces are already in place to win this battle, with major changes within a generation.

Within a generation there will be no new internal combustion cars/light duty vehicles and greatly reduced usage in the heavy duty, air, and sea transportation markets.

There will be no new electricity generation from fossil fuels. Coal will be largely gone from the energy mix.

All building stock using natural gas will operate at 95% or greater efficiency or have been converted to electric, powered by green energy. And slowly all remaining portions of this building stock will convert to all electric.

Distributed energy, electric, will make major in-roads against heating oil/cooking oil/propane, etc.

And we already have the technology to remove carbon from the air, so once that technology can be powered by renewables we can deploy it on whatever scale we need to max up any shortfall.

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@Serraph105: You do realise that any meat grown in a lab will still produce co2 due the citric cycle.

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In 2011 I read an article that said if 100% of all cars and trucks stopped on that day there might be a chance that we do not hit the tipping point.

There is NO WAY in my mind that we have not already passed the point of no return

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@horgen said:

Curb the massive growth in population. It will affect the economy and it has to.

Go away from a buy and throw away mindset we got today. Repair and fix.

In general eat less meat. At least we in the West should follow this advice. Don't know what is normal in other regions of the world.

In general I guess improve efficiency on everything that uses energy, especially that which uses fossil fuels.

This is one I can get behind!

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We can't.

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@JimB said:

We can't.

exactly.

we could 10-20 years ago but not anymore, that time has passed.

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@joebones5000 said:

Stop voting Republican. Most problems, including global warming go away.

You really don't know what you are talking about.

Al Gore has literally been bitching about global warming / climate change for 30+ years and neither side has taken him seriously. There has been so much fear mongering in terms of climate change, but regardless I am all for solutions, but I am not for more regulations. With more regulations that just increases governmental powers and that is something I am against.

I really think we can have a rational discussion on what the best approach would be, but playing the blame game like a first grader isn't going to solve anything.

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@mighty-lu-bu said:
@joebones5000 said:

Stop voting Republican. Most problems, including global warming go away.

You really don't know what you are talking about.

Al Gore has literally been bitching about global warming / climate change for 30+ years and neither side has taken him seriously....

absolutely not true.

liberals do take him seriously on this subject

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@Serraph105: You do realise that any meat grown in a lab will still produce co2 due the citric cycle.

Yes, but it will definitely mean less deforestation to make room for livestock, and less farms to feed the livestock. I have no idea if it will produce less CO2 to create lab grown meat than groups of farm animals do on their own, but there's a lot of indirect C02 production created in the raising of the animals that should be cut down on via lab grown meat.

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I think 80% of the population needs to go. Let America and Russia do their thing.

yep, everyone except you and your family am i right?

as for the topic, theres not much we can do. My suggestion is this: Get rid of all patents, IP, infinite trademarks, anti free market regulations. But at the same time start enforcing tragedy of the commons regulations...you know the one subset of law the government SHOULD enforce but fails to do time and again because of "politics". Things like charging people for pollution they create, waste they create. These are also commie subsidies that need to be eliminated but no one in government can seem to get their act straight.

My first point on getting rid of patents, IP, infinite trademarks would shift the economy away from the commie capitalism system we have going on. People would work less, and create less waste. I have no idea where this goal of enriching a few people while screwing over everyone else came from, but it needs to stop immediately.

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@blaznwiipspman1 said:
@SOedipus said:

I think 80% of the population needs to go. Let America and Russia do their thing.

yep, everyone except you and your family am i right?

as for the topic, theres not much we can do. My suggestion is this: Get rid of all patents, IP, infinite trademarks, anti free market regulations. But at the same time start enforcing tragedy of the commons regulations...you know the one subset of law the government SHOULD enforce but fails to do time and again because of "politics". Things like charging people for pollution they create, waste they create. These are also commie subsidies that need to be eliminated but no one in government can seem to get their act straight.

My first point on getting rid of patents, IP, infinite trademarks would shift the economy away from the commie capitalism system we have going on. People would work less, and create less waste. I have no idea where this goal of enriching a few people while screwing over everyone else came from, but it needs to stop immediately.

so your saying if I invent something anyone who can get their hands on it should be able to profit from it and that is how we will solve the problem of waste?

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The only solution is for humans to stop reproducing and letting the species go extinct.

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@tryit said:
@blaznwiipspman1 said:
@SOedipus said:

I think 80% of the population needs to go. Let America and Russia do their thing.

yep, everyone except you and your family am i right?

as for the topic, theres not much we can do. My suggestion is this: Get rid of all patents, IP, infinite trademarks, anti free market regulations. But at the same time start enforcing tragedy of the commons regulations...you know the one subset of law the government SHOULD enforce but fails to do time and again because of "politics". Things like charging people for pollution they create, waste they create. These are also commie subsidies that need to be eliminated but no one in government can seem to get their act straight.

My first point on getting rid of patents, IP, infinite trademarks would shift the economy away from the commie capitalism system we have going on. People would work less, and create less waste. I have no idea where this goal of enriching a few people while screwing over everyone else came from, but it needs to stop immediately.

so your saying if I invent something anyone who can get their hands on it should be able to profit from it and that is how we will solve the problem of waste?

yes thats what im saying, and also vice versa. You can take anyone elses inventions and profit from it. It would not solve the problem of waste, but it would help in reducing it.

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#36  Edited By comp_atkins
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@blaznwiipspman1 said:
@SOedipus said:

I think 80% of the population needs to go. Let America and Russia do their thing.

yep, everyone except you and your family am i right?

as for the topic, theres not much we can do. My suggestion is this: Get rid of all patents, IP, infinite trademarks, anti free market regulations.

lol.

of course it is

you're like the grover norquist of patents. got a problem with anything? less patents is the answer!

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Reducing fossil consumption IS a legitimate answer, its just that raising carbon tax is NOT the answer, what should happen is that automotive companies start to invest in electric cars instead of defending the petroleum industry. We should also invest in innovative renewable tech, instead of social crap, or funding oversees wars.

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@Serraph105 said:
@npiet1 said:

@Serraph105: You do realise that any meat grown in a lab will still produce co2 due the citric cycle.

Yes, but it will definitely mean less deforestation to make room for livestock, and less farms to feed the livestock. I have no idea if it will produce less CO2 to create lab grown meat than groups of farm animals do on their own, but there's a lot of indirect C02 production created in the raising of the animals that should be cut down on via lab grown meat.

Would it tho? like you still need feed for livestock, then you still specialised food for the livestock, clean labs, not to mention that the meat has no way of protecting it self without an immune system, more labs to create the food. Not to mention humans pretty much can't create anything energy efficient like nature can. Here in Australia they don't deforest for livestock. Not to mention people would be up in arms about taking away from farmers and patterning it so people get mad about privatisation like GMO's and that many here started committing suicide when they couldn't sell there cow milk because its now a $1 a litre and they couldn't afford to live. The benefits really are space for livestock and that you might save on food if they don't have a brain or eyes as they are the highest energy consumers for organs.

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Main one is population control....less people, less energy usage...2 to 3 child max per couple. Countries in South East Asia & India..is already way overpopulated imo.

Remove the throw away & buy new mentality - though this one will be tough to implement..since nowadays generally it cheaper to buy new rather than repair - minimum wage set in certain countries - Australia for example.

increase technology efficiency

Do away with fossil fuels as soon as possible...not wait till its bled dry.

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#40  Edited By theone86
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In a word, nuclear. Unless we drastically reduce our power consumption to levels that are unacceptable to most people, we need some sort of base-load power source. The only base-load power source that is also zero carbon emission is nuclear, and we will need to get to zero carbon emissions to stave off climate change. Fossil fuels are not going to cut it, carbon capture is not going to cut it, renewables are not going to cut it. The only way wind and solar could hope to compete with nuclear in terms of effectiveness is if we had battery technology that has so far proven elusive, and even then the ecological impact of such batteries would most certainly not be minimal. You also have to consider the impact that wind and hydroelectric have on the environment and the negative impact of solar manufacturing. Wind, solar, hydroelectric, and geothermal can supplement nuclear, but can't replace it. They can possibly sustain a grid in the exact right conditions (i.e. areas with a lot of sun exposure and a lot of wind, basically deserts), but for most of the world they're only supplements. Don't get me wrong, they're valuable supplements, but supplements nonetheless. This is all just talking fission, too, if we ever figure out fusion then forget it, that's the solution to all our problems.

Advances in transportation help, too. High speed rail would make a big difference in the U.S., assuming you could get people to use it. Air travel is one of the biggest polluters around, and providing an alternative to both that and driving would go a long way to reduce emissions. One of the challenges, though, is that when communities have been built up with a certain sort of transportation in mind, say cars, it's harder to fit a different form of transportation into them. You not only have to build new transportation in areas that lack it, and also build new communities with environmentally-friendly transportation in mind. This doesn't just mean trains, both high-speed long distance and shorter distance, but also things like accessibility for bikes and pedestrians, bus services and ride sharing, self-driving cars, and the proliferation of electric cars. Here's one area where solar, though it can't solve our energy problems, can still be a boon for the environment. Solar charging stations can reduce emissions even more, and it'll get even better when trucks and buses start going EV.

Speaking of which, one of the most problematic aspects remains industry, namely shipping and agriculture. I think things like drone delivery are going to help with the former. Another solution could be to try to produce more locally, start more urban agriculture, and generally reduce the distance produce and other food travels. This doesn't necessarily mean doing away with rural agriculture, it means buying more from rural areas that are closer to home. As far as the agriculture part goes, there are ways to reduce emissions but they require farmers to buy in. Carefully managing pesticide use and maximizing land use and soil fertility, not to mention implementing reduced emission equipment, could go a long way to reducing agricultural emissions. Reducing industrial cattle farming could help as well, but I don't see demand for cattle dropping enough in the near future to support that. Lab-grown meat could help reduce the amount of cattle raised.

One thing I don't think anybody's mentioned so far is housing reform. A growing number of Americans can't afford to live where they work. That means they commute, and that means emissions. Yes, transportation investment helps with this, but the fewer people who need to commute the easier it is to lower emissions. And finally, the more trees you plant the more carbon you sequester, and a carbon tax, though not an end-all solution, would be a great first step to reducing emissions.

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#41 AlexKidd5000
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Global investment in renewables was roughly triple that of fossil fuel last year I believe.

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Someone needs to drop a nuke fast.

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@blaznwiipspman1 said:
@SOedipus said:

I think 80% of the population needs to go. Let America and Russia do their thing.

yep, everyone except you and your family am i right?

as for the topic, theres not much we can do. My suggestion is this: Get rid of all patents, IP, infinite trademarks, anti free market regulations. But at the same time start enforcing tragedy of the commons regulations...you know the one subset of law the government SHOULD enforce but fails to do time and again because of "politics". Things like charging people for pollution they create, waste they create. These are also commie subsidies that need to be eliminated but no one in government can seem to get their act straight.

My first point on getting rid of patents, IP, infinite trademarks would shift the economy away from the commie capitalism system we have going on. People would work less, and create less waste. I have no idea where this goal of enriching a few people while screwing over everyone else came from, but it needs to stop immediately.

Wrong.

Get rid of patents? LOL!

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You can't make that happen without India, Indonesia, Africa, China, Russia, USA, Europe. You need support from a lot of very different minded countries/unions. And just reducing output may not get the job done either.

My sister is a student in environmental science and they are teaching them more how to prepare for extreme changes in climate rather than how to stop that from happening. Her school views that idea as pretty much a lost cause.

You could say that this is the 4th threat to humanity as a whole that we face in the upcoming 100 years or so. (Along with advances in A.I., nano tech and genetic engineering which are all impossible to stop and are all going to be absolutely amazing and mindblowing but also come with a danger of the size of human extinction or planetary destruction.)

At the moment I think we will either have a global government in 100 years that can be humanitarian (have the support of the general populace) while extinguishing all privacy on Earth, or be gone in 100 years. It's not like we have oceans of time to solve the threats. I hope that the world's most powerful leaders will notice that too and not waste time with petty threats or wars. It's time to set aside our differences and point ourselves towards preparing the world for global threats.

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#45  Edited By mrbojangles25
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Sounds terrible, but we need to regulate developing nations. Or whatever you call "up and comer" nations.

Is it fair? No, it's not fair that countries like India, China, and the US were able to expand so quickly and so dirtily; but the fact is we can't let anyone else do the same thing because the planet can't handle it. Any new developments need to be "green" or occur slowly.

Fossil fuels are here to stay, I think we all need to accept that; but they won't last forever. I don't believe it is too soon to begin a slow-but-sure migration away from fossil fuel dependence for a lot of things, specifically consumer goods (plastics and other petroleum products).

We also need to get rid of a lot of our outdated traditions: religion needs to go, that is just holding humanity back. I mean if you want to believe in God, fine, but the fact it is so prevalent in politics and life in general is ridiculous. It's preventing reason, modern thought, and flexibility.

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Kill all cows in the world or find a new planet. Earth has warmed itself up several times before. Before humans. Not sure if we can do anything to stop it, really.

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#47 JimB
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@tryit said:
@JimB said:

We can't.

exactly.

we could 10-20 years ago but not anymore, that time has passed.

The major factor in Global Warming or Climate change is the sun which we can not control. Every thing else is feel good stuff to make life more difficult for mankind.

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It can't be reversed as it's a naturally occurring phenomenon, however we're impacting the rate in which it is changing which is the concern.

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@netracing said:

It can't be reversed as it's a naturally occurring phenomenon, however we're impacting the rate in which it is changing which is the concern.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/04/saving_the_planeteven_if_it_means_setting_yourself_on_fire.html

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@JimB said:
@netracing said:

It can't be reversed as it's a naturally occurring phenomenon, however we're impacting the rate in which it is changing which is the concern.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/04/saving_the_planeteven_if_it_means_setting_yourself_on_fire.html

"skeptics can reasonably ask why society should destroy the energy underpinnings of the industrial age that have so advanced the human condition."

it isn't about "destroying" what we have, it's about progress, even if people don't believe in mankind's impact on climate change. For people who are so fond of the advancements brought to us by our gains in the understanding and use of new technologies of the past, it's strange they would suddenly no longer support future development in technologies which will help move us another step forward in energy efficiency.