Special counsel Robert Mueller did not find Donald Trump's campaign or associates conspired with Russia

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#51 Jacanuk
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@texasgoldrush said:

But they can and they have, especially if you led to another committing a crime. And using campaign money for personal use is a offense punishable with prison time.

And thats not the only thing being investigated as well.

Go look up US v Edwards

That is as close to Trump as you can get, and see how that went.

There is no way Trump will face impeachment nor a jail time unless Trump says something idiotic and admits he actually knew about (which is very likely considering trump) but right now there is no way it will lead to anything.

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#52  Edited By FireEmblem_Man
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@FireEmblem_Man: You heard correctly. His ministers are abandoning ship left and right and we’re voting him out in the Fall.

Andrew Scheer will be our next PM and Trudeau will be a 1 term footnote of how a fake SJW is not fit for the position.

People in Canada didn't learned anything from Pierre Trudeau. How they thought his Son would be a lot like Obama is beyond me.

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#53  Edited By texasgoldrush
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@Jacanuk said:
@texasgoldrush said:

But they can and they have, especially if you led to another committing a crime. And using campaign money for personal use is a offense punishable with prison time.

And thats not the only thing being investigated as well.

Go look up US v Edwards

That is as close to Trump as you can get, and see how that went.

There is no way Trump will face impeachment nor a jail time unless Trump says something idiotic and admits he actually knew about (which is very likely considering trump) but right now there is no way it will lead to anything.

Once again, thats not the only thing.

Financial crimes would get him impeached.

And yes, he would get jail time for a violation like that.

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#54 Jacanuk
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@texasgoldrush said:

Once again, thats not the only thing.

Financial crimes would get him impeached.

And yes, he would get jail time for a violation like that.

Unless he a year before he announced his campaign and went on to become president and did something that will end him a min. 10 years of jail time, he will not be impeached because of some discrepancies in his business dealings 5-10-20-30 years ago.

And no he would not get any jail time, again look up US v Edwards, that verdict does not change because you don´t like Trump

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#55 Sevenizz
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@FireEmblem_Man: Don’t get me started on his father. Hands down the WORST PM in Canadian history. When Trudeau campaigned he would carry on in his father’s legacy that should’ve been the warning sign - but Canadian voters aren’t bright enough to have researched or remember how bad PET was. That, and our main government controlled media (CBC) was promised over a half billion in additional funding if the Liberals were elected so they went ham on the other parties.

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#56  Edited By MirkoS77
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Regardless of the findings, what I find most hilarious here is that Trump made this whole ordeal so much harder on himself than it really had to be. His continual attacks and belittlement of an investigation and those conducting it that would ultimately vindicate him isn't the conduct of the innocent. If he had simply kept his mouth shut the entire time, it would've not added so much fuel to the fire and would've left the proclamations of his guilt residing within those that obviously were looking for an out, and they could've been much more easily dismissed as an extreme partisan fringe, yet Trump's behavior brought it into mainstream plausibility.

In my view, he's either guilty, or he's a complete idiot. This vindication doesn't paint a flattering picture of Trump any way you cut it, and it's laughable to see someone who is innocent act in such a way of someone who's guilty would. Because of his conduct, I don't believe for a second that he is guilt free or has nothing to hide, only that he didn't collude (or there wasn't enough evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt he did). There's something Trump obviously doesn't want scrutinized respective to Russia, his behavior over the past few years is indicative of such, and I'm not in the slightest convinced there's not some leverage that they may hold over him stemming from past business or personal dealings he desperately doesn't want exposed, whether it be to save face from him being painted as not nearly the success that he proclaims to be or otherwise. To say there's no collusion is not analogous to saying he's not to be held in the grips of Russian influence by other factors that may hold sway. Someone with such a degree of ego and narcissism could easily be manipulated by others who hold the means to that ego in their pocket.

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#57 HoolaHoopMan
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This is exactly what I expected. However, I would be interested in seeing the full report. The obstruction of justice portion was decided by the AG an Dep. AG, not Mueller himself.

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@volsung: Trump 2020!

Yeah I sort of think he is going to win simply based on how this turned out.

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#59 FireEmblem_Man
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@FireEmblem_Man: Don’t get me started on his father. Hands down the WORST PM in Canadian history. When Trudeau campaigned he would carry on in his father’s legacy that should’ve been the warning sign - but Canadian voters aren’t bright enough to have researched or remember how bad PET was. That, and our main government controlled media (CBC) was promised over a half billion in additional funding if the Liberals were elected so they went ham on the other parties.

I hope Canada becomes great again, because I'm still not gonna set foot in Toronto or Vancouver. Maybe Montreal for all the beautiful French-First Nation mix women.

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@MirkoS77: ‘His continual attacks and belittlement of an investigation and those conducting it that would ultimately vindicate him isn't the conduct of the innocent.’

Actually, that is the conduct of the innocent. A guilty party would be hush-hush about the ordeal to not bring a spotlight on it.

But everyone’s different so who knows.

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#61 Sevenizz
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@Jacanuk: Wow, they did that? Has anyone at CNN got any credibility like...at all?

The Trump Fan Network YouTube videos will be fun! Gonna go search a few now!

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#62 nintendoboy16
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@HoolaHoopMan said:

This is exactly what I expected. However, I would be interested in seeing the full report. The obstruction of justice portion was decided by the AG an Dep. AG, not Mueller himself.

Exactly. Something is off here with Barr saying it, given that Trump is looking for his 'yes men' still.

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#63  Edited By MirkoS77
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@MirkoS77: ‘His continual attacks and belittlement of an investigation and those conducting it that would ultimately vindicate him isn't the conduct of the innocent.’

Actually, that is the conduct of the innocent. A guilty party would be hush-hush about the ordeal to not bring a spotlight on it.

But everyone’s different so who knows.

No, there's a difference. Typically, when someone's innocent, they make a vehement proclamation of such in one's own defense; they object to the credibility of the accuser but generally don't make such a proactive, concerted and prolonged effort to attack and undermine their position. That's telling, and perhaps Trump did so because it's inherent to the nature of his character, but IMO anyone who takes extraordinary lengths to paint an accuser in such a dubious light should be questioned. Someone who's innocent should hold confidence that they are, and Trump held absolutely none. He acted guilty as sin, and I still believe him to be.....just not on collusion. But collusion isn't necessary for Russia to hold influence over him.

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#64 Jacanuk
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Regardless of the findings, what I find most hilarious here is that Trump made this whole ordeal so much harder on himself than it really had to be. His continual attacks and belittlement of an investigation and those conducting it that would ultimately vindicate him isn't the conduct of the innocent. If he had simply kept his mouth shut the entire time, it would've not added so much fuel to the fire and would've left the proclamations of his guilt residing within those that obviously were looking for an out, and they could've been much more easily dismissed as an extreme partisan fringe, yet Trump's behavior brought it into mainstream plausibility.

In my view, he's either guilty, or he's a complete idiot. This vindication doesn't paint a flattering picture of Trump any way you cut it, and it's laughable to see someone who is innocent act in such a way of someone who's guilty would. Because of his conduct, I don't believe for a second that he is guilt free or has nothing to hide, only that he didn't collude (or there wasn't enough evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt he did). There's something Trump obviously doesn't want scrutinized respective to Russia, his behavior over the past few years is indicative of such, and I'm not in the slightest convinced there's not some leverage that they may hold over him stemming from past business or personal dealings he desperately doesn't want exposed, whether it be to save face from him being painted as not nearly the success that he proclaims to be or otherwise. To say there's no collusion is not analogous to saying he's not to be held in the grips of Russian influence by other factors that may hold sway. Someone with such a degree of ego and narcissism could easily be manipulated by others who hold the means to that ego in their pocket.

Come on Mirko be honest now.

You know as well as anyone that if Trump could actually keep his ego in check and keep quiet that you and the media would spin it as a guilty man´s silence.

But with that said, try reading up on a narcissist and someone who´s ego is everything to him,

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#65  Edited By MirkoS77
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@Jacanuk said:

Come on Mirko be honest now.

You know as well as anyone that if Trump could actually keep his ego in check and keep quiet that you and the media would spin it as a guilty man´s silence.

But with that said, try reading up on a narcissist and someone who´s ego is everything to him,

Actually I would give more credibility of one's innocence to silence, or at least humility. Had Trump remained silent throughout this whole thing my opinion would be quite different, but it's not who he is.

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#66  Edited By Sevenizz
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@MirkoS77: You’re letting your bias affect your intelligence. Anyone who knows anything about lie detecting knows that both scenarios are possibilities. One does not outweigh the other. This is psychology 101. Obviously the side you’re on is wrong because as investigated for over two years - there is no collusion. Do you even know how all this started? That’s right, the DNC making stuff up.

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@saltslasher: I feel the same way, both bush and obama had shit easy compared to trump, he gets trashed by the MSM talking heads 24/7

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#68 michaelmikado
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I see people are really losing themselves in this summary of the report. My take away from the report is that it seems entirely accurate based on the restriction placed on the summary. Specifically the below line in the footnotes:

1 In assessing potential conspiracy charges, the Special Counsel also considered whether members of the Trump campaign “coordinated” with Russian election interference activities. The Special Counsel defined “coordination” as an “agreement—tacit or express—between the Trump Campaign and the Russian government on election interference.”

This statement provides a very narrow window of what Special Counsel would consider "coordination or collusion". This entails that some tangible agreement was established between the two parties specifically on election interference. The likelihood of this is that in truth, some members of Trump's campaign got various information from various sources and may have even alluded to or used this information. However without a specific agreement this could not be seen as proper coordination as per the directive of the Special Counsel.

The second portion, obstruction of justice is specifically not charged due to the follow:

Generally speaking, to obtain and sustain an obstruction conviction, the government would need to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a person, acting with corrupt intent, engaged in obstructive conduct with a sufficient nexus to a pending or contemplated proceeding. In cataloguing the President's actions, many of which took place in public view, the report identifies no actions that, in our judgment, constitute obstructive conduct, had a nexus to a pending or contemplated proceeding, and were done with corrupt intent, each of which, under the Department's principles of federal prosecution guiding charging decisions, would need to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt to establish an obstruction-of-justice offense.

This is of particular importance. Because the underlying crime of specific agreements with Russia were not present. The idea that there was obstruction to prevent the investigate of a crime that did not exist cannot be proven. In other words, Trump's opposition could be viewed as legitimate due the fact that this specific crime did not take place. In other words it cannot be proven that Trump was attempting to prevent an investigation into an actual crime, rather he could justify his actions in stating that he truly believed he did not commit a crime and was being targeted.

Now, ultimately this is important because it tells us two things.

1) It does not state that there were no crimes. However it does state that there was not a coordinated conspiracy. This is an important distinction to make.

2) Further it does not mean Obstruction of Justice was not committed. Rather, proving it beyond a reasonable doubt would be dubious given that "coordination" was not proven.

3) This does not state other possible crimes or even whether the President was aware of or approved of other actions by Russian nationals. Example, the campaign could have been aware of Russia activities but took no active part in the process, hence no conspiracy nor collusion. The full report will have this information documented, however the lesser indictments of other members of the campaign implies that these individuals were aware of Russia activities and in communication with various entities however not taking an active role in the processes of interference.

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@Sevenizz: the steel dossier was bought and paid for by Hillary clinton, anyone with half a brain cell who actually looked into how the investigation was started knew this was some BS from the beggining, liberals really need to wake up and chill on cable tv news, cable TV news is trash, I truly wish liberals would look into the steel dossier and how it started, they sound like like damn CNN parrots.

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@MirkoS77: idisagree with you 100% on how trump reacted to the investigation, id be pissed if I knew i was innocent and it was just politicians trying to tear down my reputation with phoney investigation. Id scream witch hunt anytime I was asked about it.

Liberals tried to say the same thing about kavenaugh, "an innocent person wouldnt get upset or yell"

Its total bullshit, imo its 100% natural to get mad at things you know are a lie, especially when they are personal attacks like being a rapist or a traitor to ones country.

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@Sevenizz said:

@MirkoS77: ‘His continual attacks and belittlement of an investigation and those conducting it that would ultimately vindicate him isn't the conduct of the innocent.’

Actually, that is the conduct of the innocent. A guilty party would be hush-hush about the ordeal to not bring a spotlight on it.

But everyone’s different so who knows.

An innocent person screams their innocence and that includes addressing the charges, investigation, etc.., We're talking basic Civics 101. That's freshman knowledge for god's sake.

What I find disconcerting is how some were perfectly fine when the left took carte blanche in convicting him (before anything was finalized) yet have major issues when the accused doesn't hush up and take it. Unfortunately that is hardly unexpected.

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#72  Edited By Master_Live
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Tomorrow's NYT front page:

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#73  Edited By MirkoS77
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@Solaryellow said:
@Sevenizz said:

@MirkoS77: ‘His continual attacks and belittlement of an investigation and those conducting it that would ultimately vindicate him isn't the conduct of the innocent.’

Actually, that is the conduct of the innocent. A guilty party would be hush-hush about the ordeal to not bring a spotlight on it.

But everyone’s different so who knows.

An innocent person screams their innocence and that includes addressing the charges, investigation, etc.., We're talking basic Civics 101. That's freshman knowledge for god's sake.

What I find disconcerting is how some were perfectly fine when the left took carte blanche in convicting him (before anything was finalized) yet have major issues when the accused doesn't hush up and take it. Unfortunately that is hardly unexpected.

I didn't say an innocent person wouldn't/shouldn't scream it, in fact if you read my post above, I stated precisely the opposite so we're in agreement. What I believe is an important distinction to make here is when someone goes on the attack to impugn the credibility of something so strongly to undermine it in the public view that it becomes a tad suspect. That's not Civics 101, it's Revenge 101.

Which fits in with Trump's M.O. of hitting back twice as hard so I suppose I could cut him slack in this respect, but such behavior doesn't scream innocence to me. It screams the best defense is a good offense, i.e., 'I want the attention off of me and on to the other to sow doubt into people so that if I'm found guilty, people will be much less probable to believe it'. I don't believe the accused should hush up and take it, but that's not synonymous with advocating aggression towards another, especially when you have someone with such integrity as Mueller looking into it. I mean, the guy was indifferent to the matter, he wasn't the accuser, it was simply his job yet he was attacked. You should question that.

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@MirkoS77: But doesn’t the outcome of innocence by Mueller - who you state has ‘integrity’ - convince you? Does it not make you question the reliability and injustice that the DNC are capable of? Take Trump out of the picture (I’m going to assume you think he’s a jerk), and put your best friend in his place. If a whole party’s backing went after your friend based on a lie - how would you feel about their credibility going forward?

Trump may be an arrogant and abrasive individual - but is that really worth making stuff up to try and oust him? Don’t you kinda want a Trump on your side instead of an ineffective unicorn? Why do you have to like someone?

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I guess he's a great president then. No official or legal ties to collussion with enemy countries to undermine American democracy and steal elections is officially the bar being a great president.

That was also why republicans stopped chanting "lock her up" when Comey verified and re-verified that Hillary never did anything illegal. They went right along with it.

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#77  Edited By MirkoS77
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@Sevenizz said:

@MirkoS77: But doesn’t the outcome of innocence by Mueller - who you state has ‘integrity’ - convince you? Does it not make you question the reliability and injustice that the DNC are capable of? Take Trump out of the picture (I’m going to assume you think he’s a jerk), and put your best friend in his place. If a whole party’s backing went after your friend based on a lie - how would you feel about their credibility going forward?

Trump may be an arrogant and abrasive individual - but is that really worth making stuff up to try and oust him? Don’t you kinda want a Trump on your side instead of an ineffective unicorn? Why do you have to like someone?

I trust in and accept Mueller's findings.

As for the injustice and reliability of the DNC, obviously there was animosity at Trump's win which factored into their motivation for this investigation, but it's dishonest to believe that by Trump's actions, words, posturing and some of his policy positions, that there wasn't justification to suspect Russian involvement. It might not have been the impetus for this investigation but it was the fuel which continued it. From him claiming Russia was on his mind when letting Comey go, to his attitudes towards Putin, to his taking his word over our own institutions, to his admiration of authoritarians, towards his position on NATO and withdrawal from Syria (both beneficial the Russian interests), how could that not raise a few eyebrows?

I don't think Trump's a jerk, I know he is, and I'd not concern myself so much with that if he were just anybody. But he is the president who not only represents my country which I care for, but also me. And personally, he's everything I loathe in a person. Amicability (not to mention such things as decency and intelligence) of a leader is a reflection on me and of the discretion of the collective, of which I'm currently ashamed to be a part of, so it is important. As for your question, if my best friend were in Trump's place and people were after him I'd have to be honest with myself in asking why, and that would entail not only the motives of those pursuing him, but also of my friend's conduct. Any honest Trump supporter should at least be candid enough after this vindication to come to understand that while this investigation didn't find him guilty, there was very valid cause to believe he might be, both due to his character and his behavior. That, to me, factors into the DNC's credibility, they had their agenda, but are not entirely to blame.

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@FireEmblem_Man: if you could quit randomly accusing people of being alts of posters who haven’t posted on this site in years, that would be great.

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@MirkoS77: So, to summarize - you’re ok with accusing someone of something with no proof in hopes that you’re assumption can be proven in order to oust someone you have a hunch is up to no good.

You’re still a proud Democrat after this knowing they’re capable of wasting millions of tax dollars and people’s reputations over outright lies?

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@Sevenizz said:

@MirkoS77: So, to summarize - you’re ok with accusing someone of something with no proof in hopes that you’re assumption can be proven in order to oust someone you have a hunch is up to no good.

You’re still a proud Democrat after this knowing they’re capable of wasting millions of tax dollars and people’s reputations over outright lies?

*Cough* Benghazi *Cough*

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@Sevenizz: Firstly, as much as you’d love to believe so I’m not a Democrat, I’m an Independent. Secondly, read my post again. It’s no secret I don’t like Trump, but not enough to remove him if he’s not guilty.

But tell me.....how did you know this investigation was predicated on a lie until it was proven to be?

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#82  Edited By ronvalencia
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@Jacanuk: It's a big nothing burger.

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#83  Edited By texasgoldrush
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@Jacanuk said:
@texasgoldrush said:

Once again, thats not the only thing.

Financial crimes would get him impeached.

And yes, he would get jail time for a violation like that.

Unless he a year before he announced his campaign and went on to become president and did something that will end him a min. 10 years of jail time, he will not be impeached because of some discrepancies in his business dealings 5-10-20-30 years ago.

And no he would not get any jail time, again look up US v Edwards, that verdict does not change because you don´t like Trump

You are wrong.

Impeachable offenses are vague in the US Constitution, basically the House decides what is impeachable or not. Campaign violations or financial crimes can be impeachable. Will the House impeach if crimes are found? Probably not because of the upcoming election, but he can be.

Second, people have gone to jail for less than what Trump could be accused of doing with the Stormy Daniels payoff. Willfully and knowingly violating election laws lead to stiffer sentences.

SDNY investigations are far more threatening to Trump than the Mueller case ever was.

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@texasgoldrush said:
@Jacanuk said:
@texasgoldrush said:

Once again, thats not the only thing.

Financial crimes would get him impeached.

And yes, he would get jail time for a violation like that.

Unless he a year before he announced his campaign and went on to become president and did something that will end him a min. 10 years of jail time, he will not be impeached because of some discrepancies in his business dealings 5-10-20-30 years ago.

And no he would not get any jail time, again look up US v Edwards, that verdict does not change because you don´t like Trump

You are wrong.

Impeachable offenses are vague in the US Constitution, basically the House decides what is impeachable or not. Campaign violations or financial crimes can be impeachable. Will the House impeach if crimes are found? Probably not because of the upcoming election, but he can be.

Second, people have gone to jail for less than what Trump could be accused of doing with the Stormy Daniels payoff. Willfully and knowingly violating election laws lead to stiffer sentences.

SDNY investigations are far more threatening to Trump than the Mueller case ever was.

Meltdown is complete.

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Economic Growth

  • 4.2 percent growth in the second quarter of 2018.
  • For the first time in more than a decade, growth is projected to exceed 3 percent over the calendar year.

Jobs

  • 4 million new jobs have been created since the election, and more than 3.5 million since Trump took office.
  • More Americans are employed now than ever before in our history.
  • Jobless claims at lowest level in nearly five decades.
  • The economy has achieved the longest positive job-growth streak on record.
  • Job openings are at an all-time high and outnumber job seekers for the first time on record.
  • Unemployment claims at 50 year low
  • African-American, Hispanic, and Asian-American unemployment rates have all recently reached record lows.
    • African-American unemployment hit a record low of 5.9 percent in May 2018.
    • Hispanic unemployment at 4.5 percent.
    • Asian-American unemployment at record low of 2 percent.
  • Women’s unemployment recently at lowest rate in nearly 65 years.
    • Female unemployment dropped to 3.6 percent in May 2018, the lowest since October 1953.
  • Youth unemployment recently reached its lowest level in more than 50 years.
    • July 2018’s youth unemployment rate of 9.2 percent was the lowest since July 1966.
  • Veterans’ unemployment recently hit its lowest level in nearly two decades.
    • July 2018’s veterans’ unemployment rate of 3.0 percent matched the lowest rate since May 2001.
  • Unemployment rate for Americans without a high school diploma recently reached a record low.
  • Rate for disabled Americans recently hit a record low.
  • Blue-collar jobs recently grew at the fastest rate in more than three decades.
  • Poll found that 85 percent of blue-collar workers believe their lives are headed “in the right direction.”
    • 68 percent reported receiving a pay increase in the past year.
  • Last year, job satisfaction among American workers hit its highest level since 2005.
  • Nearly two-thirds of Americans rate now as a good time to find a quality job.
    • Optimism about the availability of good jobs has grown by 25 percent.
  • Added more than 400,000 manufacturing jobs since the election.
    • Manufacturing employment is growing at its fastest pace in more than two decades.
  • 100,000 new jobs supporting the production & transport of oil & natural gas.

American Income

  • Median household income rose to $61,372 in 2017, a post-recession high.
  • Wages up in August by their fastest rate since June 2009.
  • Paychecks rose by 3.3 percent between 2016 and 2017, the most in a decade.
  • Council of Economic Advisers found that real wage compensation has grown by 1.4 percent over the past year.
  • Some 3.9 million Americans off food stamps since the election.
  • Median income for Hispanic-Americans rose by 3.7 percent and surpassed $50,000 for the first time ever in history.
    • Home-ownership among Hispanics is at the highest rate in nearly a decade.
  • Poverty rates for African-Americans and Hispanic-Americans have reached their lowest levels ever recorded.

American Optimism

  • Small business optimism has hit historic highs.
    • NFIB’s small business optimism index broke a 35 year-old record in August.
    • SurveyMonkey/CNBC’s small business confidence survey for Q3 of 2018 matched its all-time high.
  • Manufacturers are more confident than ever.
    • 95 percent of U.S. manufacturers are optimistic about the future, the highest ever.
  • Consumer confidence is at an 18-year high.
  • 12 percent of Americans rate the economy as the most significant problem facing our country, the lowest level on record.
  • Confidence in the economy is near a two-decade high, with 51 percent rating the economy as good or excellent.

American Business

  • Investment is flooding back into the United States due to the tax cuts.
    • Over $450 billion dollars has already poured back into the U.S., including more than $300 billion in the first quarter of 2018.
  • Retail sales have surged. Commerce Department figures from August show that retail sales increased 0.5 percent in July 2018, an increase of 6.4 percent from July 2017.
  • ISM’s index of manufacturing scored its highest reading in 14 years.
  • Worker productivity is the highest it has been in more than three years.
  • Steel and aluminum producers are re-opening.
  • Dow Jones Industrial Average, S&P 500, and NASDAQ have all notched record highs.
    • Dow hit record highs 70 times in 2017 alone, the most ever recorded in one year.

Deregulation

  • Achieved massive deregulation at a rapid pace, completing 22 deregulatory actions to every one regulatory action during his first year in office.
  • Signed legislation to roll back costly and harmful provisions of Dodd-Frank, providing relief to credit unions, and community and regional banks.
  • Federal agencies achieved more than $8 billion in lifetime net regulatory cost savings.
  • Rolled back Obama’s burdensome Waters of the U.S. rule.
  • Used the Congressional Review Act to repeal regulations more times than in history.

Tax Cuts

  • Biggest tax cuts and reforms in American history by signing the Tax Cuts and Jobs act into law
    • Provided more than $5.5 trillion in gross tax cuts, nearly 60 percent of which will go to families.
    • Increased the exemption for the death tax to help save Family Farms & Small Business.
    • Nearly doubled the standard deduction for individuals and families.
    • Enabled vast majority of American families will be able to file their taxes on a single page by claiming the standard deduction.
    • Doubled the child tax credit to help lessen the financial burden of raising a family.
    • Lowered America’s corporate tax rate from the highest in the developed world to allow American businesses to compete and win.
    • Small businesses can now deduct 20 percent of their business income.
    • Cut dozens of special interest tax breaks and closed loopholes for the wealthy.
  • 9 in 10 American workers are expected see an increase in their paychecks thanks to the tax cuts, according to the Treasury Department.
  • More than 6 million of American workers have received wage increases, bonuses, and increased benefits thanks to tax cuts.
  • Over 100 utility companies have lowered electric, gas, or water rates thanks to the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act.
  • Ernst & Young found 89 percent of companies planned to increase worker compensation thanks to the Trump tax cuts.
  • Established opportunity zones to spur investment in left behind communities.

Worker Development

  • Established a National Council for the American Worker to develop a national strategy for training and retraining America’s workers for high-demand industries.
  • Employers have signed Trump’s “Pledge to America’s Workers,” committing to train or retrain more than 4.2 million workers and students.
  • Signed the first Perkins CTE reauthorization since 2006, authorizing more than $1 billion for states each year to fund vocational and career education programs.
  • Executive order expanding apprenticeship opportunities for students and workers.

Domestic Infrastructure

  • Proposed infrastructure plan would utilize $200 billion in Federal funds to spur at least $1.5 trillion in infrastructure investment across the country.
  • Executive order expediting environmental reviews and approvals for high priority infrastructure projects.
  • Federal agencies have signed the One Federal Decision Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) streamlining the federal permitting process for infrastructure projects.
  • Rural prosperity task force and signed an executive order to help expand broadband access in rural areas.

Health Care

  • Signed an executive order to help minimize the financial burden felt by American households Signed legislation to improve the National Suicide Hotline.
  • Signed the most comprehensive childhood cancer legislation ever into law, which will advance childhood cancer research and improve treatments.
  • Signed Right-to-Try legislation, expanding health care options for terminally ill patients.
  • Enacted changes to the Medicare 340B program, saving seniors an estimated $320 million on drugs in 2018 alone.
  • FDA set a new record for generic drug approvals in 2017, saving consumers nearly $9 billion.
  • Released a blueprint to drive down drug prices for American patients, leading multiple major drug companies to announce they will freeze or reverse price increases.
  • Expanded short-term, limited-duration health plans.
  • Let more employers to form Association Health Plans, enabling more small businesses to join together and affordably provide health insurance to their employees.
  • Cut Obamacare’s burdensome individual mandate penalty.
  • Signed legislation repealing Obamacare’s Independent Payment Advisory Board, also known as the “death panels.”
  • USDA invested more than $1 billion in rural health care in 2017, improving access to health care for 2.5 million people in rural communities across 41 states
  • Proposed Title X rule to help ensure taxpayers do not fund the abortion industry in violation of the law.
  • Reinstated and expanded the Mexico City Policy to keep foreign aid from supporting the global abortion industry.
  • HHS formed a new division over protecting the rights of conscience and religious freedom.
  • Overturned Obama administration’s midnight regulation prohibiting states from defunding certain abortion facilities.
  • Signed executive order to help ensure that religious organizations are not forced to choose between violating their religious beliefs by complying with Obamacare’s contraceptive mandate or shutting their doors.

Combating Opioids

  • Chaired meeting the 73rd General Session of the United Nations discussing the worldwide drug problem with international leaders.
  • Initiative to Stop Opioid Abuse and Reduce Drug Supply and Demand, introducing new measures to keep dangerous drugs out of our communities.
  • $6 billion in new funding to fight the opioid epidemic.
  • DEA conducted a surge in April 2018 that arrested 28 medical professions and revoked 147 registrations for prescribing too many opioids.
  • Brought the “Prescribed to Death” memorial to President’s Park near the White House, helping raise awareness about the human toll of the opioid crisis.
  • Helped reduce high-dose opioid prescriptions by 16 percent in 2017.
  • Opioid Summit on the administration-wide efforts to combat the opioid crisis.
  • Launched a national public awareness campaign about the dangers of opioid addiction.
  • Created a Commission on Combating Drug Addiction and the Opioid Crisis which recommended a number of pathways to tackle the opioid crisis.
  • Led two National Prescription Drug Take Back Days in 2017 and 2018, collecting a record number of expired and unneeded prescription drugs each time.
  • $485 million targeted grants in FY 2017 to help areas hit hardest by the opioid crisis.
  • Signed INTERDICT Act, strengthening efforts to detect and intercept synthetic opioids before they reach our communities.
  • DOJ secured its first-ever indictments against Chinese fentanyl manufacturers.
  • Joint Criminal Opioid Darknet Enforcement (J-CODE) team, aimed at disrupting online illicit opioid sales.
  • Declared the opioid crisis a Nationwide Public Health Emergency in October 2017.

Law and Order

  • More U.S. Circuit Court judges confirmed in the first year in office than ever.
  • Confirmed more than two dozen U. S. Circuit Court judges.
  • Followed through on the promise to nominate judges to the Supreme Court who will adhere to the Constitution
    • Nominated and confirmed Justice Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court.
  • Signed an executive order directing the Attorney General to develop a strategy to more effectively prosecute people who commit crimes against law enforcement officers.
  • Launched an evaluation of grant programs to make sure they prioritize the protection and safety of law enforcement officers.
  • Established a task force to reduce crime and restore public safety in communities across Signed an executive order to focus more federal resources on dismantling transnational criminal organizations such as drug cartels.
  • Signed an executive order to focus more federal resources on dismantling transnational criminal organizations such as drug cartels.
  • Violent crime decreased in 2017 according to FBI statistics.
  • $137 million in grants through the COPS Hiring Program to preserve jobs, increase community policing capacities, and support crime prevention efforts.
  • Enhanced and updated the Project Safe Neighborhoods to help reduce violent crime.
  • Signed legislation making it easier to target websites that enable sex trafficking and strengthened penalties for people who promote or facilitate prostitution.
  • Created an interagency task force working around the clock to prosecute traffickers, protect victims, and prevent human trafficking.
  • Conducted Operation Cross Country XI to combat human trafficking, rescuing 84 children and arresting 120 human traffickers.
  • Encouraged federal prosecutors to use the death penalty when possible in the fight against the trafficking of deadly drugs.
  • New rule effectively banning bump stock sales in the United States.

Border Security and Immigration

  • Secured $1.6 billion for border wall construction in the March 2018 omnibus bill.
  • Construction of a 14-mile section of border wall began near San Diego.
  • Worked to protect American communities from the threat posed by the vile MS-13 gang.
    • ICE’s Homeland Security Investigations division arrested 796 MS-13 members and associates in FY 2017, an 83 percent increase from the prior year.
    • Justice worked with partners in Central America to secure criminal charges against more than 4,000 MS-13 members.
    • Border Patrol agents arrested 228 illegal aliens affiliated with MS-13 in FY 2017.
  • Fighting to stop the scourge of illegal drugs at our border.
    • ICE HSI seized more than 980,000 pounds of narcotics in FY 2017, including 2,370 pounds of fentanyl and 6,967 pounds of heroin.
    • ICE HSI dedicated nearly 630,000 investigative hours towards halting the illegal import of fentanyl.
    • ICE HSI made 11,691 narcotics-related arrests in FY 2017.
    • Stop Opioid Abuse and Reduce Drug Supply and Demand introduced new measures to keep dangerous drugs out the United States.
    • Signed the INTERDICT Act into law, enhancing efforts to detect and intercept synthetic opioids.
    • DOJ secured its first-ever indictments against Chinese fentanyl manufacturers.
    • DOJ launched their Joint Criminal Opioid Darknet Enforcement (J-CODE) team, aimed at disrupting online illicit opioid sales.
  • Released an immigration framework that includes the resources required to secure our borders and close legal loopholes, and repeatedly called on Congress to fix our broken immigration laws.
  • Authorized the deployment of the National Guard to help secure the border.
  • Enhanced vetting of individuals entering the U.S. from countries that don’t meet security standards, helping to ensure individuals who pose a threat to our country are identified before they enter.
    • These procedures were upheld in a June 2018 Supreme Court hearing.
  • ICE removed over 226,000 illegal aliens from the United States in 2017.
    • ICE rescued or identified over 500 human trafficking victims and over 900 child exploitation victims in 2017 alone.
  • In 2017, ICE Enforcement and Removal Operations (ERO) arrested more than 127,000 aliens with criminal convictions or charges, responsible for
    • Over 76,000 with dangerous drug offenses.
    • More than 48,000 with assault offenses.
    • More than 11,000 with weapons offenses.
    • More than 5,000 with sexual assault offenses.
    • More than 2,000 with kidnapping offenses.
    • Over 1,800 with homicide offenses.
  • Created the Victims of Immigration Crime Engagement (VOICE) Office in order to support the victims and families affected by illegal alien crime.
  • More than doubled the number of counties participating in the 287(g) program, which allows jails to detain criminal aliens until they are transferred to ICE custody.

Trade

  • Negotiating and renegotiating better trade deals, achieving free, fair, and reciprocal trade for the United States.
    • Agreed to work with the European Union towards zero tariffs, zero non-tariff barriers, and zero subsides.
    • Deal with the European Union to increase U.S. energy exports to Europe.
    • Litigated multiple WTO disputes targeting unfair trade practices and upholding our right to enact fair trade laws.
    • Finalized a revised trade agreement with South Korea, which includes provisions to increase American automobile exports.
    • Negotiated an historic U.S.-Mexico-Canada Trade Agreement to replace NAFTA.
    • Agreement to begin trade negotiations for a U.S.-Japan trade agreement.
    • Secured $250 billion in new trade and investment deals in China and $12 billion in Vietnam.
    • Established a Trade and Investment Working Group with the United Kingdom, laying the groundwork for post-Brexit trade.
  • Enacted steel and aluminum tariffs to protect our vital steel and aluminum producers and strengthen our national security.
  • Conducted 82 anti-dumping and countervailing duty investigations in 2017 alone.
  • Confronting China’s unfair trade practices after years of Washington looking the other way.
    • 25 percent tariff on $50 billion of goods imported from China and later imposed an additional 10% tariff on $200 billion of Chinese goods.
    • Conducted an investigation into Chinese forced technology transfers, unfair licensing practices, and intellectual property theft.
    • Imposed safeguard tariffs to protect domestic washing machines and solar products manufacturers hurt by China’s trade policies
  • Withdrew from the job-killing Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP).
  • Secured access to new markets for America’s farmers.
    • Recent deal with Mexico included new improvements enabling food and agriculture to trade more fairly.
    • Recent agreement with the E.U. will reduce barriers and increase trade of American soybeans to Europe.
    • Won a WTO dispute regarding Indonesia’s unfair restriction of U.S. agricultural exports.
    • Defended American Tuna fisherman and packagers before the WTO
    • Opened up Argentina to American pork experts for the first time in a quarter-century
    • American beef exports have returned to china for the first time in more than a decade
  • OK’d up to $12 billion in aid for farmers affected by unfair trade retaliation.

Energy

  • Presidential Memorandum to clear roadblocks to construction of the Keystone XL Pipeline.
  • Presidential Memorandum declaring that the Dakota Access Pipeline serves the national interest and initiating the process to complete construction.
  • Opened up the Alaska National Wildlife Refuge to energy exploration.
  • Coal exports up over 60 percent in 2017.
  • Rolled back the “stream protection rule” to prevent it from harming America’s coal industry.
  • Cancelled Obama’s anti-coal Clean Power Plan and proposed the Affordable Clean Energy Rule as a replacement.
  • Withdrew from the job-killing Paris climate agreement, which would have cost the U.S. nearly $3 trillion and led to 6.5 million fewer industrial sector jobs by 2040.
  • U.S. oil production has achieved its highest level in American history
  • United States is now the largest crude oil producer in the world.
  • U.S. has become a net natural gas exporter for the first time in six decades.
  • Action to expedite the identification and extraction of critical minerals that are vital to the nation’s security and economic prosperity.
  • Took action to reform National Ambient Air Quality Standards, benefitting American manufacturers.
  • Rescinded Obama’s hydraulic fracturing rule, which was expected to cost the industry $32 million per year.
  • Proposed an expansion of offshore drilling as part of an all-of-the above energy strategy
    • Held a lease sale for offshore oil and gas leases in the Gulf of Mexico in August 2018.
  • Got EU to increase its imports of liquefied natural gas (LNG) from the United States.
  • Issued permits for the New Burgos Pipeline that will cross the U.S.-Mexico border.

Foreign Policy

  • Moved the U.S. Embassy in Israel to Jerusalem.
  • Withdrew from Iran deal and immediately began the process of re-imposing sanctions that had been lifted or waived.
    • Treasury has issued sanctions targeting Iranian activities and entities, including the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps-Qods Force
    • Since enacting sanctions, Iran’s crude exports have fallen off, the value of Iran’s currency has plummeted, and international companies have pulled out of the country.
    • All nuclear-related sanctions will be back in full force by early November 2018.
  • Historic summit with North Korean President Kim Jong-Un, bringing beginnings of peace and denuclearization to the Korean Peninsula.
    • The two leaders have exchanged letters and high-level officials from both sides have met resulting in tremendous progress.
    • North Korea has halted nuclear and missile tests.
    • Negotiated the return of the remains of missing-in-action soldiers from the Korean War.
  • Imposed strong sanctions on Venezuelan dictator Nicholas Maduro and his inner circle.
  • Executive order preventing those in the U.S. from carrying out certain transactions with the Venezuelan regime, including prohibiting the purchase of the regime’s debt.
  • Responded to the use of chemical weapons by the Syrian regime.
    • Rolled out sanctions targeting individuals and entities tied to Syria’s chemical weapons program.
    • Directed strikes in April 2017 against a Syrian airfield used in a chemical weapons attack on innocent civilians.
    • Joined allies in launching airstrikes in April 2018 against targets associated with Syria’s chemical weapons use.
  • New Cuba policy that enhanced compliance with U.S. law and held the Cuban regime accountable for political oppression and human rights abuses.
    • Treasury and State are working to channel economic activity away from the Cuban regime, particularly the military.
  • Changed the rules of engagement, empowering commanders to take the fight to ISIS.
    • ISIS has lost virtually all of its territory, more than half of which has been lost under Trump.
    • ISIS’ self-proclaimed capital city, Raqqah, was liberated in October 2017.
    • All Iraqi territory had been liberated from ISIS.
  • More than a dozen American hostages have been freed from captivity all of the world.
  • Action to combat Russia’s malign activities, including their efforts to undermine the sanctity of United States elections.
    • Expelled dozens of Russian intelligence officers from the United States and ordered the closure of the Russian consulate in Seattle, WA.
    • Banned the use of Kaspersky Labs software on government computers, due to the company’s ties to Russian intelligence.
    • Imposed sanctions against five Russian entities and three individuals for enabling Russia’s military and intelligence units to increase Russia’s offensive cyber capabilities.
    • Sanctions against seven Russian oligarchs, and 12 companies they own or control, who profit from Russia’s destabilizing activities.
    • Sanctioned 100 targets in response to Russia’s occupation of Crimea and aggression in Eastern Ukraine.
    • Enhanced support for Ukraine’s Armed Forces to help Ukraine better defend itself.
  • Helped win U.S. bid for the 2028 Summer Olympics in Los Angeles.
  • Helped win U.S.-Mexico-Canada’s united bid for 2026 World Cup.

Defense

  • Executive order keeping the detention facilities at U.S. Naval Station Guantanamo Bay open.
  • $700 billion in military funding for FY 2018 and $716 billion for FY 2019.
  • Largest military pay raise in nearly a decade.
  • Ordered a Nuclear Posture Review to ensure America’s nuclear forces are up to date and serve as a credible deterrent.
  • Released America’s first fully articulated cyber strategy in 15 years.
  • New strategy on national biodefense, which better prepares the nation to defend against biological threats.
  • Administration has announced that it will use whatever means necessary to protect American citizens and servicemen from unjust prosecution by the International Criminal Court.
  • Released an America first National Security Strategy.
  • Put in motion the launch of a Space Force as a new branch of the military and relaunched the National Space Council.
  • Encouraged North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) allies to increase defense spending to their agree-upon levels.
    • In 2017 alone, there was an increase of more than 4.8 percent in defense spending amongst NATO allies.
    • Every member state has increased defense spending.
    • Eight NATO allies will reach the 2 percent benchmark by the end of 2018 and 15 allies are on trade to do so by 2024.
    • NATO allies spent over $42 billion dollars more on defense since 2016.
  • Executive order to help military spouses find employment as their families deploy domestically and abroad.

Veterans affairs

  • Signed the VA Accountability Act and expanded VA telehealth services, walk-in-clinics, and same-day urgent primary and mental health care.
  • Delivered more appeals decisions – 81,000 – to veterans in a single year than ever before.
  • Strengthened protections for individuals who come forward and identify programs occurring within the VA.
  • Signed legislation that provided $86.5 billion in funding for the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA), the largest dollar amount in history for the VA.
  • VA MISSION Act, enacting sweeping reform to the VA system that:
    • Consolidated and strengthened VA community care programs.
    • Funding for the Veterans Choice program.
    • Expanded eligibility for the Family Caregivers Program.
    • Gave veterans more access to walk-in care.
    • Strengthened the VA’s ability to recruit and retain quality healthcare professionals.
    • Enabled the VA to modernize its assets and infrastructure.
  • Signed the VA Choice and Quality Employment Act in 2017, which authorized $2.1 billion in addition funds for the Veterans Choice Program.
  • Worked to shift veterans’ electronic medical records to the same system used by the Department of Defense, a decades old priority.
  • Issued an executive order requiring the Secretaries of Defense, Homeland Security, and Veterans Affairs to submit a joint plan to provide veterans access to access to mental health treatment as they transition to civilian life.
  • Increased transparency and accountability at the VA by launching an online “Access and Quality Tool,” providing veterans with access to wait time and quality of care data.
  • Signed legislation to modernize the claims and appeal process at the VA.
  • Harry W. Colmery Veterans Educational Assistance Act, providing enhanced educational benefits to veterans, service members, and their family members.
    • Lifted a 15-year limit on veterans’ access to their educational benefits.
  • Created a White House VA Hotline to help veterans and principally staffed it with veterans and direct family members of veterans.
  • VA employees are being held accountable for poor performance, with more than 4,000 VA employees removed, demoted, and suspended so far.
  • Signed the Veterans Treatment Court Improvement Act, increasing the number of VA employees that can assist justice-involved veterans.

:P

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#86  Edited By deactivated-5de67c4d9cb12
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@Serraph105 said:

I guess he's a great president then. No official or legal ties to collussion with enemy countries to undermine American democracy and steal elections is officially the bar being a great president.

What's funny is that it means Trump's attempts at undermining the US's relationships with it's allies, his cozying up with right-wing strongmen of the world, etc. are his own ideas and not Putin's. Is that more or less embarrassing for Republicans than him just being a puppet? I'm not even sure.

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Democrats and the media — but I repeat myself — are demanding a Special Counsel be appointed to investigate why Donald Trump did not stop the last Special Counsel from investigating Donald Trump.

Congressman Jerry Nadler, in a statement issued from under a rock, said, “Connect the dots, people. Robert Mueller found there was no Russian collusion and yet Trump did not obstruct his investigation. That means Trump just stood by and allowed the government to waste two years and 30-million dollars looking into something that he knew all along never happened. This is a completely irresponsible waste of taxpayer dollars and we need to get to the bottom of why Trump allowed it to happen.”

Congressman Adam “Tailgunner” Schiff waved a sealed envelope in the air and said, “I have in my hand photographic evidence proving beyond a reasonable doubt that I continually lied by saying I had seen evidence beyond a reasonable doubt of Trump’s collusion. And yet, while Trump clearly knew I was lying, he did absolutely nothing to thwart my committee from squandering the people’s hard-earned dollars on an absurd witch-hunt. How could Trump even pretend I was sincere? Look at my face. The whole idea of me telling the truth is ridiculous.”

On CNN, where facts come sooner or later no matter how hard they try to stop them, Brian Stelter spoke to an audience of six guys running to catch a plane in Tacoma, saying, “This president has repeatedly endangered our Constitutional rights by allowing the press to report fake news and wild conspiracy theories until we exposed ourselves as both liars and fools. Trump needs to be investigated immediately before we continue to make a mockery of the First Amendment by moving on to the next phony conspiracy.”

The New York Times, a former newspaper, published an editorial apologizing for its now disgraced reporting. The Times promised to reform its journalistic processes, cease publishing anti-Trump hate speech and instead tell the truth objectively. Then I woke up.

lol :P

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@n64dd said:

I’m loving this.

You now know how many felt after the several Benghazi investigations and E-mail investigations :P

I'm glad there was on collusion. But this report further cements the fact of Russian interference - which has always been the real and bigger problem.

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@saltslasher said:

It's been about Trump's pettiness and that he's a criminal who needs to be in prison,

He still has several open investigations, which seem far more credible than this collusion crap.

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@SecretPolice said:

:P

1. A lot of that economic/job growth was either done during the Obama administration or was merely a continuation of Obama's trends. In fact 2018 was worse than some Obama years.

2. His foreign policy is a disaster. No real deal with NK. Ended an actual good deal with Iran. Says the opposite of what the Intelligence Community states. Sides with Strongmen over our Allies.

3. Obama and Bush both did better on border security.

4. Trumpcare flopped and he did not repeal/replace Obamacare.

5. Tariffs flopped. Hows that Trade Deficit?

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@zaryia:

Those are all good ones man....You're a funny guy. lolololol :P

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@SecretPolice said:

@zaryia:

Those are all good ones man....You're a funny guy. lolololol :P

Are you trolling?

This isn't really contested outside of low information tribals.

Trump and GOP promised economic growth much better than Obama’s. That’s not what happened

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/28/trumps-economic-policies-failed-to-deliver-promised-3percent-growth-in-2018.html

In Blow to Trump, America’s Trade Deficit in Goods Hits Record $891

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/06/us/politics/us-trade-deficit.html

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@zaryia:

Wait, you were/are being serious? :0

Oh my. His list of accomplishments says it all but whateves... carry on with the your TDS I suppose.

It's like election day 2016 all over again. :P

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@SecretPolice said:

@zaryia:

Wait, you were/are being serious? :0

Oh my. His list of accomplishments says it all but whateves... carry on with the your TDS I suppose.

It's like election day 2016 all over again. :P

As expected, you could not refute my links or graphs.

That culty list is clearly old as it miscalculated the 2018 economic outlook, tax cut results, and north korea talks. A lot of those are completely subjective as far as being good, wrong, or as I stated many of the economic/jobs ones were either done during the Obama administration or a continuation (or even lack of) those Trends...

Fact checking you isn't TDS. Stop with the memes.

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#95 Jacanuk
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@MirkoS77 said:
@Jacanuk said:

Come on Mirko be honest now.

You know as well as anyone that if Trump could actually keep his ego in check and keep quiet that you and the media would spin it as a guilty man´s silence.

But with that said, try reading up on a narcissist and someone who´s ego is everything to him,

Actually I would give more credibility of one's innocence to silence, or at least humility. Had Trump remained silent throughout this whole thing my opinion would be quite different, but it's not who he is.

Then you differ from 99% of the media and left-leaning people out there.

But put yourself in an accused shoe, would you stay quiet? would you just sit by and look while you got accused of being the most despicable person in America

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@Jacanuk: It's a big nothing burger.

Yup, that is what I and others on this board have said for the last 2 years.

But I am glad that we wasted millions of the tax-payers money on nothing and that Democrats now can move forward with dismantling Mueller which they have built up over the last 2 years.

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@Jacanuk said:
@ronvalencia said:

@Jacanuk: It's a big nothing burger.

Yup, that is what I and others on this board have said for the last 2 years.

But I am glad that we wasted millions of the tax-payers money on nothing and that Democrats now can move forward with dismantling Mueller which they have built up over the last 2 years.

This investigation, if it turns out from the full report that it was indeed nothing else, was a net positive for the federal government. They obtained tens of millions in surplus funds by weeding out guilty fraudsters.

Finances are not the angle you should take.

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@texasgoldrush said:
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Once again, thats not the only thing.

Financial crimes would get him impeached.

And yes, he would get jail time for a violation like that.

Unless he a year before he announced his campaign and went on to become president and did something that will end him a min. 10 years of jail time, he will not be impeached because of some discrepancies in his business dealings 5-10-20-30 years ago.

And no he would not get any jail time, again look up US v Edwards, that verdict does not change because you don´t like Trump

You are wrong.

Impeachable offenses are vague in the US Constitution, basically the House decides what is impeachable or not. Campaign violations or financial crimes can be impeachable. Will the House impeach if crimes are found? Probably not because of the upcoming election, but he can be.

Second, people have gone to jail for less than what Trump could be accused of doing with the Stormy Daniels payoff. Willfully and knowingly violating election laws lead to stiffer sentences.

SDNY investigations are far more threatening to Trump than the Mueller case ever was.

You do know right that impeachment has a very high burden of proof right? And that vague is the name of most laws, the justice system is built on precedence set by judges, which is why The supreme court has such power in the united states.

And Trump has so far done nothing criminal or anything that would not get tossed out in a court, you seem to negate the burden of proof.

So again no the campaign violation if it was an issue, would lead to a slap on the wrist and a fine like Obama and countless others before him, as to the pay-offs. But considering there is no one else to corroborated, Cohen´s word is as good as a thief's word that he won´t steal the wallet with 1000$ you just gave him to "hold".

Southern District of New York is under the federal government so in the end it will be fed up the chain, so unless they find a smoking gun that Trump stole money or like Capone Tax Evasion, he will not face anything from that until after he is done being president, no matter if that is in 2020 or 2024.

And again no one in the world cares what happens with Trump once he is done as President.

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@zaryia said:
@SecretPolice said:

:P

1. A lot of that economic/job growth was either done during the Obama administration or was merely a continuation of Obama's trends. In fact 2018 was worse than some Obama years.

2. His foreign policy is a disaster. No real deal with NK. Ended an actual good deal with Iran. Says the opposite of what the Intelligence Community states. Sides with Strongmen over our Allies.

3. Obama and Bush both did better on border security.

4. Trumpcare flopped and he did not repeal/replace Obamacare.

5. Tariffs flopped. Hows that Trade Deficit?

And now we have an inverted yield curve, a recession could be coming. Good bye Trump

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@Jacanuk said:
@texasgoldrush said:
@Jacanuk said:
@texasgoldrush said:

Once again, thats not the only thing.

Financial crimes would get him impeached.

And yes, he would get jail time for a violation like that.

Unless he a year before he announced his campaign and went on to become president and did something that will end him a min. 10 years of jail time, he will not be impeached because of some discrepancies in his business dealings 5-10-20-30 years ago.

And no he would not get any jail time, again look up US v Edwards, that verdict does not change because you don´t like Trump

You are wrong.

Impeachable offenses are vague in the US Constitution, basically the House decides what is impeachable or not. Campaign violations or financial crimes can be impeachable. Will the House impeach if crimes are found? Probably not because of the upcoming election, but he can be.

Second, people have gone to jail for less than what Trump could be accused of doing with the Stormy Daniels payoff. Willfully and knowingly violating election laws lead to stiffer sentences.

SDNY investigations are far more threatening to Trump than the Mueller case ever was.

You do know right that impeachment has a very high burden of proof right? And that vague is the name of most laws, the justice system is built on precedence set by judges, which is why The supreme court has such power in the united states.

And Trump has so far done nothing criminal or anything that would not get tossed out in a court, you seem to negate the burden of proof.

So again no the campaign violation if it was an issue, would lead to a slap on the wrist and a fine like Obama and countless others before him, as to the pay-offs. But considering there is no one else to corroborated, Cohen´s word is as good as a thief's word that he won´t steal the wallet with 1000$ you just gave him to "hold".

Southern District of New York is under the federal government so in the end it will be fed up the chain, so unless they find a smoking gun that Trump stole money or like Capone Tax Evasion, he will not face anything from that until after he is done being president, no matter if that is in 2020 or 2024.

And again no one in the world cares what happens with Trump once he is done as President.

You aren't getting it.

Impeachment has nothing to do with the justice system, and in fact impeachment itself does not have to have a high burden of proof because its all about how the House members vote. Even the Senate's removal process doesn't need burden of proof. Its not a court. In fact, they can choose not to remove someone clearly guilty with burden of proof as well.

A campaign violation becomes a crime if you willingly break the law, which in this case, Trump would have with leading someone else to break the law as well. Fines and slaps of the wrist happens with inadvertent campaign violations.

Tax evasion is also something Trump could be investigated for, as well as insurance fraud.