Those pro-life republicans

Nope. Not it at all.

Not even sure how I should respond here. It's almost exactly what you just said. "I can't show you this thing that defeats your reasoning because of some cryptic force stopping me."

You cannot win the argument either since the start of life is obviously different between the two of you. So don't congratulate yourself either.

Hate post.

What if a pregnant doctor performed the abortion?...

Pretty much.

@mrbojangles25: so what if a woman was raped, and through no consent of her own became pregnant.

This woman, who had a pregnancy forced on her through violence, would face the death penalty, while her rapist would not.

Seems fair.

Is it?

Is it a hate post to wish death upon pedophiles, baby rapists, terrorists, etc.?

Because that is what hicks are.

What happens if the hate with death statement is geared towards LGBT? Be consistent with the hate speech.

I don't think I ever claimed or expected to "win" while I posted all this, but on the other hand at least I'm not using a three year old's method of copping out.

What if you know the baby is going to be unhealthy? Is a terrible life better than no life? What if you know there will be no money/time to support the baby? Should they be forced to sell the baby? What if the mother does not like children or hates the father for her pregnancy? Should the baby go through a childhood without love and care, or as her punching bag?

I think abortion is a TOUGH question, but I don't think the answer is ALWAYS going to be yes.

Here's a thought.
Considering this is likely religiously motivated, "Sanctity of life", Would the next bill proposed be a similar punishment for those families who refuse their children medical treatment/aid under the pretense that God will heal them, but then their kid ends up dying as a result of their refusal?

Or does the "sanctity of life" only apply while in the womb?

What else makes a human a human if not the brain?

DNA

So my cropped fingernails and hair are people? Got it, good to know.

Spoken like somebody who hasn't had kids.

No your fingernails and hair are parts of a human. I mean that was not a very intelligent response dude.

Or, you know, someone who understands development. No higher functions in the brain = no cognition.

And why the hell can't you lazy ass people trim your quote trees? I wish the mods still scored for that.

You have kids?

Nope. But I have had custody of a number of young family members from diapers to grade school because one side of my family are drama-seeking sociopaths and habitual liars who can't keep out of trouble.

I have nothing at all against kids. I love them. I've taken care of them. I've wiped their dirty butts, been vomited all over, lost fragile items to wandering little hands...you can't get mad at them, they're little explorers: through trial and error and lots of action and experimenting their brain is putting together how the world works. They're wonders to watch as they grow into a personality.

And that's where you and I differ, I'm afraid. You believe in some sense in a 'soul', I do not. The mind is an emergent product of the brain and that emergence is progressive, not instantaneous.

We're at the point now.... we're at the point where "owning the libs" now involves literally killing more people. Charlottesville was a sign...

@nintendoboy16: conservative are so pro life they are willing to murder women to stop abortion.

Everyone always wants a binary answer to complicated issues. It's gotta be black and white - right or wrong. Otherwise people won't be able to easily argue about it, so....

...yes?

Obviously the world isn't like this though, and treating these issues as such is just a way to ignore a whole set of factors.

Personally I'm pro-choice, why ruin an adults life in favor of a stupid baby? Why let the baby grow up in a potentially bad environment where it can't be properly cared for.

Sorry pro-lifers, the world isn't so simple. Each abortion has a different set of issues to think about before you can judge.

Thought so.

That's not a retort, that's taking your ball and going home. Come on, put up some facts or dispute mine.

The point I’d like to bring up is this:

Is having consensual sex giving consent to having a child?

Doesn't surprise me... omfg.

@br0kenrabbit: What facts? You like to murder babies because you can word the description to your liking?

Lol grow up

@n64dd: I don't know what the OP is freaking out over about. Abortion rates across the US. Let alone, across the globe are at an all time low.

@KungfuKitten: tough question indeed, but what's the point, when Teen pregnancy is now very low?

Because that SO justifies taking a right away, much to the point of killing more people to justify it... /sarcasm

@nintendoboy16: you mad?

Who wouldn't be mad over an EXTREME loss of a right?

@nintendoboy16: you! Also, as long as teen pregnancy is an all time low and young couples practicing safe sex, Abortion will fade

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Notice the post-birth aspect. I can't help that you invent your own definitions. You can't call something by a term that directly conflicts with the definition of the term.

@br0kenrabbit: Cool story. Talk to me again when you have kids and grow up. You’re a sick human being.

I'm in my mid-40's, I don't wanna grow up anymore.

Since you're bowing out, I'll leave this here:

I don't care. Nothing justifies taking away rights. NOTHING! It's sad that the idea of killing people you disagree with is becoming more accepted in this society.

@br0kenrabbit: you found definitions that supported your childish argument.

Dictionary.com disagrees with you.

If your wife or friends ever lose the

Pregnancy, i sure hope you don’t tell them its no big deal. “It’s not a baby or a life, just a clinical clump of cells.”

What is dangerous about abortion is it teaches a society to solve “issues” with murder instead of accountability. You wonder theres no subtly anymore.

@nintendoboy16: you don't care, yet you care for the rights of others? Tell me, Nintendoboy, what work have you done to stop pro-life people from taking "rights" away? Have you ever engaged with them on why it's wrong? Or you just like coming here and bitch how the world is unfair?

I don't care what mental gymnastics you apply to justify outlawing abortion much to the point of punishing mothers to DEATH for it. Not every woman is going to have a successful birth, let alone a pregnancy.

You want to know what I do? I vote! I vote for what I believe is right, but even still my state's government, which are puppets to a church who happily disavow what the people want even when it's successfully voted in, which include gerrymandering and medicinal marijuana this recent election. And when I can, I'll join a protest (one that's approved by the state), like I did recently for migrants rights last year, and I'd do it more if I had the time, but I have work so I can't do that all the time. And when I can, I'll donate to causes I find most agreeable.

@nintendoboy16: mental gymnastics? LOL. How cute of you to deflect because you're powerless to engage to the discussion.

If you do have consensual sex with a girlfriend, and didnt use protection or the girl forgot to take her birth control. Tell me, do you have a right to say if you want to keep a child and be a father? Or will you stay quiet and let your girlfriend get an abortion? Or do you believe men should not have rights on a say?

She's carrying the fetus, isn't she? Why shouldn't she have a say? And again, what if the birth leads to an early death of the mother? Why shouldn't a woman have a say with what she does with HER BODY?

I'm done here.

Texas Chainsaw Massacre

The second definition posted above is from Dictionary.com :-\

And you're missing the point about the miscarriage. It isn't the loss of a baby, it's the loss of the promise of baby. And yeah, that hurts.

And it is not murder. Again, you're making up your own definitions. That is not permissible.

It is a clump of functionally distinct cells, with no cognition and no way of experiencing its current situation. If you want to argue the facts on the science of that we can, but you'd better damn well know your medical terminology because I'm not going to educate you.

Why is it you've 'stepped out' of this conversation twice but are still here? Are you one of those creepy guys who hangs out by the door but never leaves?

@nintendoboy16: in other words, you agree you have no rights, nor want to have a say to have a child. Guess what? My mom almost died giving birth to me, yet still took the risk and was able to give birth to 4 more. Yes she raised over 7 kids (including me) at a poor environment, but hardworking from my dad paid off to move out of the South Side of Chicago to a nice suburban home with a good education.

Still want to persist through this, I see...

Not everyone can be so lucky as you. And honestly, if I even want a kid (I don't, so rest easy that I don't plan on breeding), I'd talk it out with my significant other about it and see what's best for us, but I'm not for taking away rights should something go horribly wrong, which still happens even with those alleged low abortion rates. Sorry if I don't agree with you on the fact that a woman carrying something should have a say on what goes on with her own damn body AND shouldn't be killed for it by the government or ANYONE. Hell, some women have to take birth control even if they never plan on having kids due to certain conditions of their body.

Abortion is a serious procedure and we absolutely need a safe place for women to go to have the procedure. I can't convince people in this thread that abortion is or is not killing a baby. But that's not what Roe v Wade is about. Thats not what choice is about. It's about a woman being able to make that choice with a doctor in a safe place. Good god, can we stop this debate?

You keep saying that, and yet, most people with kids are pro-choice.

It's not a debate when one side makes up their own definitions for well known terms and claim that a lump of human DNA is a person. Not to mention, that most of their "arguments" come from emotions and religious views, even when their own religious text (Bible) is not only pro abortions but does not even consider 1 month old babies as people (though it does say that a woman is worth half as much as a man, so it makes sense than they hate it when women have the freedom of choice).

I've always been very undecided on this matter as I can see both sides, I tend to lean pro choice very early on (First 3 months) and pro life after that. The thing that never sat right with me about the pro choice arguments was the matter of when a life is actually considered a life always changes from person to person so its a never ending goal post move. You have some that say its not a life and women should have the choice of an abortion up until vaginal birth (which is insane), some say until it can survive, which is 21 weeks, some recognize that a child might be viable, but say the child has to be able to survive on its own with out any help which then opens a can of worms for sick people hooked up to machines.

I think if pro choice really believe in what they're pushing they should at least be honest about it and recognize that viable babies might end up being killed, but to them the women's rights override that instead of trying to make out a fetus is no different than a crap in the toilet until it comes out a vagina