Trump Blocked Again by Courts, This Time it's Sanctuary Cities

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#1 xdude85
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Trump's order to withhold federal funding to sanctuary cities if they didn't cooperate with immigration authorities has been blocked by a federal judge in San Francisco.

If this keeps up, then it makes me wonder how many more executive orders are going to be blocked in the next four years.

Full Story Here.

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#2  Edited By judaspete
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Yeah, local governments can't be forced to expend time and resources toward something that is the federal government's job.

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So much winning.

lulz

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@xdude85:

I'd love to laugh at him but at this point, it's just getting sad.

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Okay, where's that political cartoon of Lady Justice protecting Lady Liberty from Drumpf? Because that is getting more and more relevant by the day. :lol:

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#7  Edited By br0kenrabbit
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Failure in Chief, lol.

We tried to tell people Trump didn't know what he was doing other than running his mouth, but noo...

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@judaspete said:

Yeah, local governments can't be forced to expend time and resources toward something that is the federal government's job.

Bingo.

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Trump tried to withhold federal funds from sanctuary cities. The state should only be allowed to spend federal funds on what the federal government says. If these sanctuary cities have a problem with Trump then stop accepting federal aid.

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@playmynutz said:

Trump tried to withhold federal funds from sanctuary cities. The state should only be allowed to spend federal funds on what the federal government says. If these sanctuary cities have a problem with Trump then stop accepting federal aid.

The courts have spoken. Get over it.

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@playmynutz said:

Trump tried to withhold federal funds from sanctuary cities. The state should only be allowed to spend federal funds on what the federal government says. If these sanctuary cities have a problem with Trump then stop accepting federal aid.

But are you tired of winning yet?

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@drunk_pi said:

So much winning.

lulz

Yes the EPA is dead, we are bombing the crap out of folks without declaring war, all of Obama's environmental protection orders are being shredded, and trump is stacking the courts with right wing fundamentalists who will be interpreting The Constitution for the next several decades, giving the GOP a lock on all branches of government.

But we can still talk smack about him on the internet! So much victory lul.

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@kittennose said:
@drunk_pi said:

So much winning.

lulz

Yes the EPA is dead, we are bombing the crap out of folks without declaring war, all of Obama's environmental protection orders are being shredded, and trump is stacking the courts with right wing fundamentalists who will be interpreting The Constitution for the next several decades, giving the GOP a lock on all branches of government.

But we can still talk smack about him on the internet! So much victory lul.

Don't test deep waters with short stick.

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#15 Jacanuk
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@xdude85 said:

Trump's order to withhold federal funding to sanctuary cities if they didn't cooperate with immigration authorities has been blocked by a federal judge in San Francisco.

If this keeps up, then it makes me wonder how many more executive orders are going to be blocked in the next four years.

Full Story Here.

This won´t go past a supreme court.

But you can be sure that the democrats will try every single order they can. Going to be a good 4 years for lawyers.

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@kittennose said:
@drunk_pi said:

So much winning.

lulz

Yes the EPA is dead, we are bombing the crap out of folks without declaring war, all of Obama's environmental protection orders are being shredded, and trump is stacking the courts with right wing fundamentalists who will be interpreting The Constitution for the next several decades, giving the GOP a lock on all branches of government.

This posted reminded me how god awful trump is lol.

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#17  Edited By EmprahBanjo
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Trump stole the election. Putin stole a super bowl ring. We got two thieving world leaders!

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#18 JimB
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This why we have to get judges that rule with in the limit of the law. Every judge to date that ruled against Trump was for political reasons not legal reasons. that is why lady justice is blindfolded holding two scales of justice.

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@EmprahBanjo said:

Trump stole the election. Putin stole a super bowl ring. We got two thieving world leaders!

And how did he steal the election?

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Wonder what will happen to that judge's order if it makes it to the Supreme Court. Regardless of whether or not you think illegal aliens have the right to be here, the cities are ignoring federal law when they refuse to report them to ICE.

They may have an argument that they shouldn't be forced to use city funds to aid in a federal matter such as enforcing immigration law, but I wonder if they could simply demand repayment for it rather than outright ignoring the law.

Not surprised that San Francisco was the one to do it with it being a sanctuary city. No way a court in Tennessee or Kansas would have did it.

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This posted reminded me how god awful trump is lol.

That is pretty much the point. If people keep pretending that everyone thinks trump is awful and they can be smug about their obvious victories we will have the same election result as 2016. I mean heck it isn't even just trump. The GOP won everything, including the opportunity to stack SCOTUS, so even if they lose the white house, they still have power.

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#22 ferrari2001
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By withholding federal funding to these cities, you aren't hurting the city, you are hurting the United State citizens who live in those cities and benefit from the programs those funds run.

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@kittennose said:
@drunk_pi said:

So much winning.

lulz

Yes the EPA is dead, we are bombing the crap out of folks without declaring war, all of Obama's environmental protection orders are being shredded, and trump is stacking the courts with right wing fundamentalists who will be interpreting The Constitution for the next several decades, giving the GOP a lock on all branches of government.

But we can still talk smack about him on the internet! So much victory lul.

Again, a lot of winning because obviously his policies will benefit all Americans.

/sarcasm

The are victories and losses against him and his cronies. I did my part and vote. Can't say the same for the high-horse progressives who believe that Clinton was the devil. Can't do much about that.

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@ferrari2001 said:

By withholding federal funding to these cities, you aren't hurting the city, you are hurting the United State citizens who live in those cities and benefit from the programs those funds run.


Then those citizens should complain to their local government.

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@kittennose said:
@zaryia said:

This posted reminded me how god awful trump is lol.

That is pretty much the point. If people keep pretending that everyone thinks trump is awful and they can be smug about their obvious victories we will have the same election result as 2016. I mean heck it isn't even just trump. The GOP won everything, including the opportunity to stack SCOTUS, so even if they lose the white house, they still have power.

Suppressing the vote, gerrymandering, and having a foreign power spread fake news that helps you really isn't what normal people would call a "win".

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A judge and court leaning left block a Trump order? Say it ain't so.

Failbama threatened to withhold school fundings if they didn't allow boys to piss in the ladies room. Somehow the liberal courts let him get away with the same tactics.

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@doomdizzle: @drunk_pi: fine Trump will look for another way to defund sanctuary cities.

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Trump will go down as the worst President ever and he will not be reelected. Bernie Sanders is coming to assure to that.

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@playmynutz:

You mean like how he found a way to pass his travel ban? Never happened.

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@drunk_pi said:

Again, a lot of winning because obviously his policies will benefit all Americans.

/sarcasm

The are victories and losses against him and his cronies. I did my part and vote. Can't say the same for the high-horse progressives who believe that Clinton was the devil. Can't do much about that.

If voting was all it took no one would ever lose an election. The trick is to get other people to vote your way.

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#32  Edited By Drunk_PI
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@kittennose said:
@drunk_pi said:

Again, a lot of winning because obviously his policies will benefit all Americans.

/sarcasm

The are victories and losses against him and his cronies. I did my part and vote. Can't say the same for the high-horse progressives who believe that Clinton was the devil. Can't do much about that.

If voting was all it took no one would ever lose an election. The trick is to get other people to vote your way.

Or create repressive voting restrictions to keep people from voting so you always win in your gerrymandered district. Another way is to convince gullible morons that all candidates are the same and they will never keep their promises.

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@drunk_pi said:

Or create repressive voting restrictions to keep people from voting so you always win in your gerrymandered district. Another way is to convince gullible morons that all candidates are the same and they will never keep their promises.

Sounds like you are right on track for another trump victory. Go you?

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@kittennose said:
@drunk_pi said:

Or create repressive voting restrictions to keep people from voting so you always win in your gerrymandered district. Another way is to convince gullible morons that all candidates are the same and they will never keep their promises.

Sounds like you are right on track for another trump victory. Go you?

He'll never learn.

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@kittennose:

After seeing the man in action and watching him constantly fail, I'd actually be in favor of another 4 years of Trump. He is EXACTLY what his voters deserve.

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@SinjinSmythe said:

A judge and court leaning left block a Trump order? Say it ain't so.

Failbama threatened to withhold school fundings if they didn't allow boys to piss in the ladies room. Somehow the liberal courts let him get away with the same tactics.

because withholding education funds for an education issue is not the same as what's happening here.

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@kittennose said:
@drunk_pi said:

Or create repressive voting restrictions to keep people from voting so you always win in your gerrymandered district. Another way is to convince gullible morons that all candidates are the same and they will never keep their promises.

Sounds like you are right on track for another trump victory. Go you?

Wow people actually believe Trump is getting reelected after the shit his administration is. El oh el. Naive? Alt facts?

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#38  Edited By nepu7supastar7
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@LJS9502_basic:

Sure there are factors to weigh in that could obstruct another reelection.

Died of old age.

Impeachment.

But one must never underestimate the power of voter stupidity! Especially after what happened in 2016.

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#39  Edited By LJS9502_basic
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@LJS9502_basic:

Sure there are factors to weigh in that could obstruct another reelection.

Died of old age.

Impeachment.

But one must never underestimate the power of voter stupidity! Especially after what happened in 2016.

You can't ignore the why nor the dissatisfaction. I have never seen the people go at their representatives before. This is not going to end well for them. And Trump has the lowest approval rating in a long time....perhaps ever. The experiment failed.

They won't pick up the fringe again.

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@kittennose said:
@drunk_pi said:

Or create repressive voting restrictions to keep people from voting so you always win in your gerrymandered district. Another way is to convince gullible morons that all candidates are the same and they will never keep their promises.

Sounds like you are right on track for another trump victory. Go you?

What? How did you reach that conclusion? Trump only won because Clinton managed to be even more unlikable than him to the general electorate.

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What? How did you reach that conclusion? Trump only won because Clinton managed to be even more unlikable than him to the general electorate.

Well it seemed like I got a non-serious reply, so I gave one back. That said if you think likability was the issue, what would you say democratic leaders have done to make themselves more likable since the election results came in? What would you say their supporters have done? Can you really name anything that has been done to make the brand more appealing to people who did not vote for Clinton?

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@kittennose said:
@perfect_blue said:

What? How did you reach that conclusion? Trump only won because Clinton managed to be even more unlikable than him to the general electorate.

Well it seemed like I got a non-serious reply, so I gave one back. That said if you think likability was the issue, what would you say democratic leaders have done to make themselves more likable since the election results came in? What would you say their supporters have done? Can you really name anything that has been done to make the brand more appealing to people who did not vote for Clinton?

But on the other side the republican leaders have made themselves more unlikable than the democrats. Which is more important. Their failures will hurt them. Not the other party. People want change and they vote for it if they aren't happy. Do the approval ratings make you think they are happy?

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@LJS9502_basic: The reasons why Donald Trump is president and not Hillary Clinton fall on both sides. We can talk all day long about how bad Trump's​ first 100 days were and assume that he will not be reelected in 2020.

However, all of that means little if people continue to use the same smug attitude when referring to people that voted for Trump and dismissing their concerns. You are not going to insult a Trump supporter into voting against him in 2020, you are going to have to offer him a reason to vote for the other guy.

Some of them are really dumb, but the vote of a 37-year old high school dropout holds just as much weight as the vote of a 29-year old Harvard graduate that votes in the same state.

If the Democrats want to win in 2020, they can't concentrate exclusively on the coasts and ignore and/or mock the flyover states again.

They have to appeal to all of the states, because the popular vote means nothing when we still have an electoral college that gives each state a voice.

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#44 LJS9502_basic
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@LJS9502_basic: The reasons why Donald Trump is president and not Hillary Clinton fall on both sides. We can talk all day long about how bad Trump's​ first 100 days were and assume that he will not be reelected in 2020.

However, all of that means little if people continue to use the same smug attitude when referring to people that voted for Trump and dismissing their concerns. You are not going to insult a Trump supporter into voting against him in 2020, you are going to have to offer him a reason to vote for the other guy.

Some of them are really dumb, but the vote of a 37-year old high school dropout holds just as much weight as the vote of a 29-year old Harvard graduate that votes in the same state.

If the Democrats want to win in 2020, they can't concentrate exclusively on the coasts and ignore and/or mock the flyover states again.

They have to appeal to all of the states, because the popular vote means nothing when we still have an electoral college that gives each state a voice.

That's just ridiculous. People are allowed to have opinions. My opinion does NOT affect who gets voted in. Nor does yours. Nor anyone else. What a completely stupid thing to imply.

Concerns? Trump himself has alienated many that voted for him. Sure there is a conservative base that will vote R no matter who it is. But they aren't big enough alone to sway an election. Independents and unhappy Democrats are NOT happy with Trump. To win an election you need both the independent voter and some of the other party. He stands or falls on what he does. NOT someone's attitude/opinion.

Likewise Trump can't screw those people over....which he is doing....and win again.

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@killered3: It's like when you get a puppy a new toy then take it away within 5 minutes. so sads ;-;

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I'm drawing a blank. Is that a reference to something?

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@killered3: I don't think so I just have a lot of puppies and volunteer at a humane society.

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#48  Edited By KittenNose
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@LJS9502_basic said:

But on the other side the republican leaders have made themselves more unlikable than the democrats. Which is more important. Their failures will hurt them. Not the other party. People want change and they vote for it if they aren't happy. Do the approval ratings make you think they are happy?

You are sort of debating with the wrong person. I don't think likability cost the Dems their predicted victory. I was asking for their perspective, not endorsing it. If you honestly want my take however I would say: Never trust the GOP to screw up bad enough to ensure a Democratic victory. The GOP wins elections because the Dems drop the ball. They haven't had a good candidate since Regan. Say what you want about his policies, he knew how to win. The Democratic party on the other hand wins elections via inspiring candidates people can get behind. People they want to knock on doors for, not those who can fund raise (read kiss billionaire butt) enough to pay people to do it for them. Blue and purple voters come out to support leaders, and they do so in spades. The hold your nose and vote against the GOP figurehead rallying cry is never going to paint the country blue.

I mean look at the last two elections that didn't include Obama. Both times the Democrats were sure everyone understood just how evil, stupid, and unelectable the GOP candidate was. Both times they phoned the election in with a candidate no one was excited about. Both times they talked about how salty rednecks would be on election day. They were likely too uneducated to accept election results, and would likely riot in the streets.

And both times salty Democratic supporters rioted in the streets. In loss they had the fire their candidate didn't even bother trying to instill. Instead they just went negative, and sat back waiting for someone to hand them what they had earned by default. (too be fair Kerry didn't really do this in 2004. He really didn't do anything. His supporters however did.) It doesn't really matter who the Democrats put up in 2020. If they expect victory because only idiots will vote for trump they will lose. If they fight their heart out it will not matter if trump starts a righteous war, he is out. They will however need to fight to peel away every undecided voter, and every purple southerner. Won't matter one lick if people like them or not if they fight to rally voters. They honestly just need to try.

The fact that the heart of the Democratic Party is doubling down on the "He is too stupid and evil to win again!" strategy does trouble me. Telling someone they are an idiot for not voting like you is dangerous. It only flames an inherently defensive spark of defiance within the soul of the American People. They will vote the same way again, if only to see more liberal riots while they sit back and post the Jackson Popcorn gif.

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#49  Edited By ad1x2
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@LJS9502_basic said:
@ad1x2 said:

@LJS9502_basic: The reasons why Donald Trump is president and not Hillary Clinton fall on both sides. We can talk all day long about how bad Trump's​ first 100 days were and assume that he will not be reelected in 2020.

However, all of that means little if people continue to use the same smug attitude when referring to people that voted for Trump and dismissing their concerns. You are not going to insult a Trump supporter into voting against him in 2020, you are going to have to offer him a reason to vote for the other guy.

Some of them are really dumb, but the vote of a 37-year old high school dropout holds just as much weight as the vote of a 29-year old Harvard graduate that votes in the same state.

If the Democrats want to win in 2020, they can't concentrate exclusively on the coasts and ignore and/or mock the flyover states again.

They have to appeal to all of the states, because the popular vote means nothing when we still have an electoral college that gives each state a voice.

That's just ridiculous. People are allowed to have opinions. My opinion does NOT affect who gets voted in. Nor does yours. Nor anyone else. What a completely stupid thing to imply.

Concerns? Trump himself has alienated many that voted for him. Sure there is a conservative base that will vote R no matter who it is. But they aren't big enough alone to sway an election. Independents and unhappy Democrats are NOT happy with Trump. To win an election you need both the independent voter and some of the other party. He stands or falls on what he does. NOT someone's attitude/opinion.

Likewise Trump can't screw those people over....which he is doing....and win again.

I didn't say a thing about not being able to have an opinion. The problem is when people let their opinions make them smug and elevate to mocking Trump supporters or even resorting to threats of violence (Ann Coulter) or actual violence (Milo Yiannopoulos) in order to silence them or get revenge for putting President Trump in the White House.

Even Hollywood has joined in, with several TV shows getting political. Supergirl on CW had at least one anti-Trump snub in almost every episode that has aired this year, to include a comment from Supergirl's newspaper editor telling her about how unverified stories could put a fascist in the White House. Then, there were stars that outright insulted Trump’s wife and children after criticizing people from the right for doing the same thing with President Obama’s family during his term.

If anything, their mocking and the violence has empowered Trump supporters to stick to their choice, with a recent poll stating that 98 percent of the people that voted for him last year would do it again. The loudest critics of the president already hated him and were voting against him, so they are going to protest while his supporters quietly head to the polls like last year.

When it comes to his promises, Trump has the advantage of claiming that some of his promises were blocked by federal judges and holdouts in Congress blocking his proposed bills. Trump will make it no secret that outside sources hindered him from some of his promises, and his supporters will eat it up.

If Democrats want to retake the White House, then they need to show those people in those red states that voted for Trump why voting D in 2020 would be in their best interests, instead of snubbing the flyover states in favor of catering to the big urban cities.

They only need to convince one person over the 50% mark in each state, the fact that 90% of voters in Washington, DC voted for Hillary Clinton didn't make any difference, since she got the same three electoral votes that Trump got in Montana with 56% of the MT vote.

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@kittennose said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

But on the other side the republican leaders have made themselves more unlikable than the democrats. Which is more important. Their failures will hurt them. Not the other party. People want change and they vote for it if they aren't happy. Do the approval ratings make you think they are happy?

You are sort of debating with the wrong person. I don't think likability cost the Dems their predicted victory. I was asking for their perspective, not endorsing it. If you honestly want my take however I would say: Never trust the GOP to screw up bad enough to ensure a Democratic victory. The GOP wins elections because the Dems drop the ball. They haven't had a good candidate since Regan. Say what you want about his policies, he knew how to win. The Democratic party on the other hand wins elections via inspiring candidates people can get behind. People they want to knock on doors for, not those who can fund raise (read kiss billionaire butt) enough to pay people to do it for them. Blue and purple voters come out to support leaders, and they do so in spades. The hold your nose and vote against the GOP figurehead rallying cry is never going to paint the country blue.

I mean look at the last two elections that didn't include Obama. Both times the Democrats were sure everyone understood just how evil, stupid, and unelectable the GOP candidate was. Both times they phoned the election in with a candidate no one was excited about. Both times they talked about how salty rednecks would be on election day. They were likely too uneducated to accept election results, and would likely riot in the streets.

And both times salty Democratic supporters rioted in the streets. In loss they had the fire their candidate didn't even bother trying to instill. Instead they just went negative, and sat back waiting for someone to hand them what they had earned by default. (too be fair Kerry didn't really do this in 2004. He really didn't do anything. His supporters however did.) It doesn't really matter who the Democrats put up in 2020. If they expect victory because only idiots will vote for trump they will lose. If they fight their heart out it will not matter if trump starts a righteous war, he is out. They will however need to fight to peel away every undecided voter, and every purple southerner. Won't matter one lick if people like them or not if they fight to rally voters. They honestly just need to try.

The fact that the heart of the Democratic Party is doubling down on the "He is too stupid and evil to win again!" strategy does trouble me. Telling someone they are an idiot for not voting like you is dangerous. It only flames an inherently defensive spark of defiance within the soul of the American People. They will vote the same way again, if only to see more liberal riots while they sit back and post the Jackson Popcorn gif.

You're ignoring the machinations that went on behind the scenes.