Trump Reportedly Intends to Move U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem

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#1  Edited By deactivated-5b1e62582e305
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U.S. President Donald Trump informed Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas and Jordan's King Abdullah that he plans to move the U.S. Embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem on Tuesday, according to Abbas' spokesman and reports by Jordanian media.

Abbas warned Trump that the action will have "dangerous consequences."

Jordan's King Abdullah II also warned of the consequences of the decision to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital on Friday, saying that it "raised alarm and concern" and could "hamper all efforts to get the peace process moving."

Abbas spokesman Nabil Abu Rudeineh said "The Palestinian stance is determined and steadfast - there will not be a Palestinian state without East Jerusalem as its capital according to decisions by the international community. Abu Mazen [Abbas] is now holding an emergency meeting in his bureau following the phone conversation with Trump.”

According to Jordanian reports, Abdullah warned Trump of the decision's repercussions relating to the security and stability of the Middle East.

The Jordanian king is reported to have pledged that he would thwart any American initiative to renew the peace process and would encourage the rage and resistance among Muslims and Christians alike.

An Abbas aide commented Tuesday that if the Trump Administration decides to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital, the Palestinian leadership would sever ties with the U.S. administration.

read more: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.826990

#POTUS called to brief President Mahmoud Abbas on his intention to move the US embassy to #Jerusalem: https://t.co/JvDz2QxDiH

— Palestine PLO - NAD (@nadplo) December 5, 2017Who is ready for some Middle East conflict?

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#2 deeliman
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What could he or the US possibly gain by doing this?

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#3  Edited By deactivated-5b1e62582e305
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@deeliman said:

What could he or the US possibly gain by doing this?

Absolutely nothing. No country has its Israeli embassy in Jerusalem.

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#4 Treflis
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So he wants to deliberately put embassy workers at risk?

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#5 deactivated-5b1e62582e305
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@Treflis: Quite ironic after the Benghazi incident.

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#6 mrbojangles25
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The guy is a troll, plain and simple.

There is no rational reason to do this except to antagonize people.

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#7 LJS9502_basic
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He's an ass...

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#8 deactivated-5b1e62582e305
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Looks like the order is happening Wednesday.

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@Treflis: Quite ironic after the Benghazi incident.

That did cross my mind.

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Seriously someone please help me as I'm flying blind on this one. What reason exists(rational or otherwise) to move our embassy to Jerusalem? Surely his goal isn't simply to start a shytestorm.

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@sayyy-gaa said:

Seriously someone please help me as I'm flying blind on this one. What reason exists(rational or otherwise) to move our embassy to Jerusalem? Surely his goal isn't simply to start a shytestorm.

He's giving a speech at 1pm EST today so I guess we will have our answer then.

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#12 happy492
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This is the work of Jared Kushner. Trump is seriously a cuck and must follow the order of Jared while he bangs his daughter.

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WINNING

I don't know what we're doing but WINNING.

I don't know anything about foreign policy and Israel and Palestine but WINNING

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#14 deactivated-5b1e62582e305
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The madman actually did it. Wow.

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@perfect_blue said:
@sayyy-gaa said:

Seriously someone please help me as I'm flying blind on this one. What reason exists(rational or otherwise) to move our embassy to Jerusalem? Surely his goal isn't simply to start a shytestorm.

He's giving a speech at 1pm EST today so I guess we will have our answer then.

Please post the answer here...

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@horgen: He says it will help the peace process... which is akin to thinking pour gasoline on a fire will put it out.

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#17  Edited By horgen  Moderator
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@perfect_blue said:

@horgen: He says it will help the peace process... which is akin to thinking pour gasoline on a fire will put it out.

Well... If you completely drench it in gasoline so you push all the oxygen away, the fire will go out. :P

I don't remember how much oxygen there is in gasoline...

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looks like trump either wants a war or another distraction from muller

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@resevl4rlz said:

looks like trump either wants a war or another distraction from muller

I dont think he wants war as much as he wants people to think he is tough. He is like a bully that picks on other kids while hoping they dont fight back.

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#20  Edited By N64DD
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Good for him. Glad to see us supporting Israel again.

**** terrorists.

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@n64dd said:

Good for him. Glad to see us supporting Israel again.

**** terrorists.

Name one reason why this move makes any sense.

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#22  Edited By LJS9502_basic
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@Nick3306 said:
@n64dd said:

Good for him. Glad to see us supporting Israel again.

**** terrorists.

Name one reason why this move makes any sense.

Because of the R next to the name.

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@n64dd said:

Good for him. Glad to see us supporting Israel again.

**** terrorists.

Since when we have we not supporting Israel? The US was against Palestine's admission into INTERPOL cause its bad for "peace negotiations"

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#24  Edited By N64DD
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@TheShadowLord07: Obama kind of shat on relations with Israel.

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@TheShadowLord07: Obama kind of shat on relations with Israel.

I like story time. Please, tell us more.

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@Shewgenja said:
@n64dd said:

@TheShadowLord07: Obama kind of shat on relations with Israel.

I like story time. Please, tell us more.

Owned!

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@happy492 said:

This is the work of Jared Kushner. Trump is seriously a cuck and must follow the order of Jared while he bangs his daughter.

This gave me a good laugh.

Trump looks upon Jared with envious eyes.

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@sayyy-gaa said:
@Shewgenja said:
@n64dd said:

@TheShadowLord07: Obama kind of shat on relations with Israel.

I like story time. Please, tell us more.

Owned!

Not really. It's no secret that Netanyahu and Obama did not get along. Relations were somewhat frosty, but I give Obama credit for not sucking Israel's <censored> like many of our past politicians.

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@sonicare said:
@sayyy-gaa said:
@Shewgenja said:
@n64dd said:

@TheShadowLord07: Obama kind of shat on relations with Israel.

I like story time. Please, tell us more.

Owned!

Not really. It's no secret that Netanyahu and Obama did not get along. Relations were somewhat frosty, but I give Obama credit for not sucking Israel's <censored> like many of our past politicians.

Owned.

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@n64dd said:
@sonicare said:
@sayyy-gaa said:
@Shewgenja said:
@n64dd said:

@TheShadowLord07: Obama kind of shat on relations with Israel.

I like story time. Please, tell us more.

Owned!

Not really. It's no secret that Netanyahu and Obama did not get along. Relations were somewhat frosty, but I give Obama credit for not sucking Israel's <censored> like many of our past politicians.

Owned.

Still waiting on an answer to my question for you above.

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Trump just tossed gasoline on a lit fire. Lol

Absolute madman. I love it!

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#32  Edited By deactivated-5b1e62582e305
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@Gaming-Planet said:

Trump just tossed gasoline on a lit fire. Lol

Absolute madman. I love it!

What is there to love?

This isn't your Japanese animu

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#33 N64DD
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@Nick3306 said:
@n64dd said:
@sonicare said:
@sayyy-gaa said:
@Shewgenja said:

I like story time. Please, tell us more.

Owned!

Not really. It's no secret that Netanyahu and Obama did not get along. Relations were somewhat frosty, but I give Obama credit for not sucking Israel's <censored> like many of our past politicians.

Owned.

Still waiting on an answer to my question for you above.

Recognizes Israel for what it really is, and improving relations with it to defeat the evil Palestine.

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#34 deactivated-5f3ec00254b0d
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This is the most shocking thing yet from Trumpet.

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#35 N64DD
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@perfect_blue said:
@Gaming-Planet said:

Trump just tossed gasoline on a lit fire. Lol

Absolute madman. I love it!

What is there to love?

This isn't your Japanese animu

whats animu?

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If the biggest fear of the move is that the Muslim world will react violently over it, then it should be asked why Trump is the bad guy and not the extremists that refuse to accept the wishes of an sovereign nation on where they want their capital to be.

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#37  Edited By deactivated-5b1e62582e305
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@ad1x2 said:

If the biggest fear of the move is that the Muslim world will react violently over it, then it should be asked why Trump is the bad guy and not the extremists that refuse to accept the wishes of an sovereign nation on where they want their capital to be.

No, that is not the ”biggest fear”. The biggest fear is that this move will destroy any chance left of there being a peace process centred around the two-state solution, which has been US and U.N. policy for a long time. Jerusalem is essentially split up into two halves, one Israeli and the other Palestinian (Trump didn’t mention this). Trump recognizing it as the sole possession of Israel also makes Israeli settlements on Palestinian land okay in his eyes, which are in reality illegal by every international law statute on the planet. How can you defend Trump here?

It is not the ”extremists” who will be most bothered by this, they will only use it as cover to continue doing what they are doing, and giving the sane Muslims reason to unify with the crazies against a common enemy (in this case Israel and Trump). The average Palestinian isn’t an extremist, they are in actuality an oppressed people who live in an open-air prison in a what is effectively an apartheid state.

It is these people who will most be hurt by this since the consequences of Trump’s actions all but destroy the chances of them ever getting a home to call their own. The status of Jerusalem was meant to be hashed out in a potential peace deal and was the biggest question on the table. Now that has been taken off the table there is even less chance of there ever being a peace deal in the first place. Israel didn’t have much reason to come to the negotiating table and after today they have even less.

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@n64dd: Animu is animu, my friend.

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@perfect_blue said:
@Gaming-Planet said:

Trump just tossed gasoline on a lit fire. Lol

Absolute madman. I love it!

What is there to love?

This isn't your Japanese animu

Σ ◕ ◡ ◕

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#40 Nick3306
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@n64dd: lol you basically just said nothing. Please give some actual facts and evidence. Just repeating the right wing talking points is not evidence or facts.

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Another attempt to further crap on the muslims in that region. This is a bad move

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@deeliman said:

What could he or the US possibly gain by doing this?

He appeases the religious extremists in his base who want Israel to claim the entirety of what they think is ancient Israel because they think it will bring about the apocalypse.

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#43 Treflis
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Well I think anyone who handles diplomacy just broke their nose from face-palming.

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@theone86 said:
@deeliman said:

What could he or the US possibly gain by doing this?

He appeases the religious extremists in his base who want Israel to claim the entirety of what they think is ancient Israel because they think it will bring about the apocalypse.

Whenever the christian right goes off on this tangent, I remember just how back asswards a lot of these religious loons in the States are. We can't crap on all these middle eastern countries when we have fundamentalists of our own, who are just too lazy to do anything; so they use the government that they hate so much.

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@Mercenary848 said:
@theone86 said:
@deeliman said:

What could he or the US possibly gain by doing this?

He appeases the religious extremists in his base who want Israel to claim the entirety of what they think is ancient Israel because they think it will bring about the apocalypse.

Whenever the christian right goes off on this tangent, I remember just how back asswards a lot of these religious loons in the States are. We can't crap on all these middle eastern countries when we have fundamentalists of our own, who are just too lazy to do anything; so they use the government that they hate so much.

Don't even get me started. My favorite is when they're all like "we have to bring Muslim countries to heel, they mistreat women! Oh, by the way, you should totally vote for Roy Moore."

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@sayyy-gaa said:

Seriously someone please help me as I'm flying blind on this one. What reason exists(rational or otherwise) to move our embassy to Jerusalem? Surely his goal isn't simply to start a shytestorm.

To acknowledge Israels claim to the city. That´s the reason

And it´s about time, clearly the same strategy that has been used for years now does not work.

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#47 LJS9502_basic
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@Jacanuk said:
@sayyy-gaa said:

Seriously someone please help me as I'm flying blind on this one. What reason exists(rational or otherwise) to move our embassy to Jerusalem? Surely his goal isn't simply to start a shytestorm.

To acknowledge Israels claim to the city. That´s the reason

And it´s about time, clearly the same strategy that has been used for years now does not work.

No he acknowledged it because his wealthy donors wanted it. He....and his party....do nothing unless it's for the very wealthy's interests.

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Jews have a historical right to Jerusalem, Arabs do not

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#49 Nick3306
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@narutosup said:

Jews have a historical right to Jerusalem, Arabs do not

Two things

1. That's not how things work in the current world.

2. Historians still argue over it to this day but I'm sure you have it all figured out.

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@Nick3306 said:
@narutosup said:

Jews have a historical right to Jerusalem, Arabs do not

Two things

1. That's not how things work in the current world.

2. Historians still argue over it to this day but I'm sure you have it all figured out.

1. Yeah, the oppressors made everything hard for the jews and other indigenous groups

2. historians also claim that modern white-europeans are closely related to ancient egyptians