USA Launches 59 Tomahawk Missiles Strikes Into Syria Following Chemical Attack.

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#101 ad1x2
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@kod said:
@ad1x2 said:

"Millions" was a number I threw out there because millions of people are currently being oppressed by Bashar al-Assad, and the current amount of refugees we are taking in every year is barely making a dent.

Part of the argument here is that we have a system that could do far better and is not even attempting to make a dent. 12,000 people over what? 5 years? Is not exactly humanitarian efforts and definitely shows that we are not attempting to put a "dent" in it. We're not even attempting temporary relocation's to other places, in an effort to save lives.

Dealing with Syria really needs to be a worldwide effort, the United States can't do it all. Also, your numbers are a little off, we took over 13,000 Syrian refugees in 2016 alone.

There have been proposals for safe zones until Syria can be safe, but the issue with safe zones within Syria is the possibility of attacks and infiltration by pro-Syrian government forces trying to kill refugees.

I don't know how large the so-called safe zones would be, but after three trips to Iraq and one to Afghanistan, the people that didn't want us there had no issue positioning mortars outside of the base and firing in hopes of taking a few of us out.

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#102 KOD
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@ad1x2 said:

Dealing with Syria really needs to be a worldwide effort, the United States can't do it all. Also, your numbers are a little off, we took over 13,000 Syrian refugees in 2016 alone.

So maybe i should have explained a bit more. Most tend to agree with this sentiment, and is the current standard we are putting forth. And when we do apply these things, the US is doing far less than its fair share.

So 2016 was when they started letting far more people in, my bad for only going up to 2015, but for the first four or five years we barely helped anyone. But we are still doing far less than we could, especially when you consider how our involvement has done nothing but ramp everything up and of course, its all in the interest of corporate oil.

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There have been proposals for safe zones until Syria can be safe, but the issue with safe zones within Syria is the possibility of attacks and infiltration by pro-Syrian government forces trying to kill refugees.

One option that is obvious, has been suggested many times before and always ignored and will never be taken, is that we could very easily create refugee zones and ship people out to an entirely different location.

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I don't know how large the so-called safe zones would be, but after three trips to Iraq and one to Afghanistan, the people that didn't want us there had no issue positioning mortars outside of the base and firing in hopes of taking a few of us out.

It fucking sucks right? Lets stop shaping policy around arms manufacturers, private military and oil companies so we dont have to continuously be in these situations. Putting their civilians at risk and worse for us, our own soldiers.

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#103 SUD123456
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it's a shame the US squandered their thirst for war on the folly that was iraq when syria was the real problem...

Syria isn't a problem.. It is only being made a concern because the economic importance being pushed in which a oil pipeline can be laid through the country.. If people seriously think that these things are being done to "save people" than they have their ass shoved far in their own asses.. We have numerous examples in the past 2 decades alone of mass deaths of people caused by regimes with the west barely raising a finger to outright ignoring it.. Notice you don't hear any hubbub from the numerous people Saudi Arabia has killed with starving and bombing the people of Yemen, with US ordinance no less.

This is disappointing but not surprising what so ever that Trump would lie about not goign to war and continue the military industrial complex establishment policies that both parties have been doing for decades now.

LMAO. Yep, it's a only a concern because of a nutjob conspiracy involving an 'oil' pipeline.

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#104  Edited By deactivated-59d151f079814
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@SUD123456 said:
@sSubZerOo said:
@comp_atkins said:

it's a shame the US squandered their thirst for war on the folly that was iraq when syria was the real problem...

Syria isn't a problem.. It is only being made a concern because the economic importance being pushed in which a oil pipeline can be laid through the country.. If people seriously think that these things are being done to "save people" than they have their ass shoved far in their own asses.. We have numerous examples in the past 2 decades alone of mass deaths of people caused by regimes with the west barely raising a finger to outright ignoring it.. Notice you don't hear any hubbub from the numerous people Saudi Arabia has killed with starving and bombing the people of Yemen, with US ordinance no less.

This is disappointing but not surprising what so ever that Trump would lie about not goign to war and continue the military industrial complex establishment policies that both parties have been doing for decades now.

LMAO. Yep, it's a only a concern because of a nutjob conspiracy involving an 'oil' pipeline.

Not sure how this is a conspiracy theory, the reason why we are in the Middle East to begin with is politics driven by economic fossil fuels.. Meanwhile genocides like Rwanda, Darfur were largely ignored.. And the shit going doing in Yemen isn't even talked about because our "allies" Saudi Arabia are the ones doing the killing. If this were happening in some place like central Africa, you would see **** all being done about it... If Syria's government were to fall Russia's foot hold would be gone in the Middle East... But no lets keep talking about how the US government is trying to "save" people while arming another blood thirsty regime (Saudi Arabia) who is currently doing their own Syrian-esque slaughter in Yemen. If this isn't for economic gain and trying to oust Russian influence within the region, what is it then? To overthrow another dictator to distablize the region even more with the people the US arming being jihadist them selves?

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#105 SUD123456
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You are the one claiming it is related to an 'oil' pipeline. Why don't you explain your little fantasy so I can laugh, instead of reducing complex issues to 'oil' pipelines.

And I have already answered your rhetorical question about why the US chose to intervene now and in the manner it did. It isn't about killing people. It is about chemical weapons. If you cannot deduce the difference, then I fear for your future.

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#106 nintendoboy16
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Olbermann nailed it here:

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#107 deactivated-5cf0a2e13dbde
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@nintendoboy16 said:

Olbermann nailed it here:

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He may be right, but I cant stand looking at his face. His mouth looks so odd without Hilary's dick in it.

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#108 MirkoS77
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@MirkoS77: @drunk_pi:

It isn't hard to figure out. It isn't meant to solve things in Syria. We have a long standing viewpoint in the West of deterring crazy leaders from using chemical weapons. It is part of our mindset wrt collective defense.

This action was meant to deter the continued use of these weapons, both within Syria, and as a warning to other crazy leaders who might want to use such weapons. Nothing more, nothing less.

The alternative is do nothing, which simply emboldens freaks like Assad to keep doing it. Nothing has changed materially on the ground, but that's not the point. You cross a line, you pay a price. Simple.

Lobbing one-off missile strikes into regimes we disapprove of is no coherent foreign policy of deterrence whatsoever. Assad was flying out of the same airbase the next day. Seems to me he's symbolically flipping us the bird and couldn't seem to give two shits less about what we did. For the U.S. to commit to such superficial and cavalier measures will be what emboldens our enemies and weakens our credibility on the world stage.

We can't just throw a few Tomos here and there as slaps on the wrists and expect to be taken seriously, c'mon.

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#109  Edited By deactivated-59d151f079814
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@SUD123456 said:

You are the one claiming it is related to an 'oil' pipeline. Why don't you explain your little fantasy so I can laugh, instead of reducing complex issues to 'oil' pipelines.

And I have already answered your rhetorical question about why the US chose to intervene now and in the manner it did. It isn't about killing people. It is about chemical weapons. If you cannot deduce the difference, then I fear for your future.

Chemical weapons? What about the cluster bombs that Saudi Arabia is using in Yemen which is a clear human rights violation of the UN.. You do realize that we have had other regimes that used chemical weapons (which the US gave them the materials for) in other places within the region right like Iraq, which the US did nothing about.

You make it sound like the US wasn't paying attention or involving themselves before this incident.. When they have been arming jihadist and pushing for the overthrow of the Syrian government for years now.. Clinton herself was willing to go into direct war with Russia in creating a no fly zone before chemical weapons were even MENTIONED.

Complex issues? YOu mean like this being basically a power play for Israel wanting Syria gone, the US wanting more control of the region economically with Russia being gone.. With Saudi Arabia wanting it even more for their economic gain? You boil this shit down and all it is for is economic and political interests in the region.. Not to save lives of any kind. Tell me SUD what is the purpose of the US's involvement with Syria for the past few years now? The US has been indirectly mettling with Syria for years now in arming dangerous jihadist through Saudi Arabia.. You make it sound like the US wasn't involved at all for these years and were just twiddling their thumbs.

You have yet to explain your point outside of saying "it's complicated".. Well than lay them out buddy. North Korea has nuclear capabilities now.. Guess that isn't important enough compared to the chemical weapons in Syria.

Its fucking hilarious too that you pin it up as a crazy conspiracy theory when going to war for economic and political power gain are the two oldest reasons in the book to why man goes to war with one another.. I guess we are only concerned with how people are murdered, not how many or why they die.. After all we had people in Rwanda hacked to death by mainly machetes at far greater rates than anything coming close to this.. But its the CHEMICALS man! They chose to intervene now because it was the excuse and justification to intervene and do the policy they had been wanting to do for years now, this was the excuse they needed to go through with it.

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#110 KOD
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@SUD123456 said:

You are the one claiming it is related to an 'oil' pipeline. Why don't you explain your little fantasy so I can laugh, instead of reducing complex issues to 'oil' pipelines.

And I have already answered your rhetorical question about why the US chose to intervene now and in the manner it did. It isn't about killing people. It is about chemical weapons. If you cannot deduce the difference, then I fear for your future.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-secret-stupid-saudi-us-deal-on-syria/5410130

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-24/oil-gas-war-over-syria-4-maps

http://ftmdaily.com/what-jerry-thinks/whysyria/

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Honestly, I dont know what the proper thing to do would be. The gas attack was a pretty horrible thing. But bombing them probably isnt going to resolve any issues. Maybe it sends a message, but I doubt they will pay attention. Let Russia **** up that country. I think the middle east is going to start turning on them once they realize that russia's foreign policy is just as shitty and self centered as the US policy. Fucking hypocrites.