What's so great about Republicanism?

Just wondering. We constantly read and hear about how Republican policies are the solutions to the nation's problems, but when we look at the facts, we see that nothing could be further from the truth. Why should we all embrace Republican policies when their states are the poorest, the unhealthiest, the least educated, the most gun violent, have the most violent crime and are the most dependent on the very same government they claim to despise?

Why should normal Americans who can clearly see that Republican policies lead to poverty and disaster take any of them seriously? A better question is why are Republican voters so happy to keep voting themselves into poverty?

If you're rich, they will generally help you keep your money. Some people think that if they vote Republican it will help them get rich, but that's not true it is the opposite actually.

That's about it though.

The Republican Party is well organized, well funded, and backed by a myriad of think tanks, NGOs and churches. They're supporters consistently turn out to vote.

Democrats are backed by a more disparate and less cohesive bunch of folks. Many of which "don't see the point" of voting.

You can make the same argument about democrat party controlled cities - Detroit, Chicago, Philadelpiha, etc.

But that would ignore San Francisco/Silicon Valley, Los Angeles, New York etc.

I'm not a Republican but of my family votes that direction. They're also well off so I fail to see how voting for them would lead them to poverty. Many poor voters vote for them because many poor voters are Christians, who seem to think voting Republican is the godly thing to do, just like many poor voters side with Democrats because they think Democrats will take care of them and rescue them from poverty.

I'm well off but I don't vote Republican because I can't side with them on any social issues.

@judaspete: Is there a jersey I could purchase to rep your team?

I will never understand the appeal. Especially social conservatives. They basically think fun should be outlawed and everyone should live a harsh restrained life. Now if you are rich and hate the poor I can see voting Republican but I don't see the appeal to being a douche bag like that either.

Here you go.

@judaspete: Oh I didn't take you for a liberal. More power to ya, bud

Yeah, but you and your family aren't statistically relevant. It's like claiming that everyone loves Trump because all you personally see is Trump supporters :)

The statistics show us quite clearly that the poor overwhelmingly vote for Republicans, and that their poverty never gets any better.

Actually, the shirt was just the closest thing I could find to a jersey that represents SF, LA, and NY.

But yeah, my political formative years were the W. Bush administration, so I am a liberal. I expect Trump to turn me full-socialist if he keeps going the way he's going :)

A myriad of reasons.

Ignoring the 2016 presidential election, people vote Republican generally because they believe in the following:

• Less government and regulation --> greater freedom and greater economic opportunity
• Protection of moral values against perceived decadence

From a Republican view, these can be valid viewpoints. Maybe most of you know the story but remember how lemonade stands were harassed by city officials and law enforcement because they lacked a license? That's the epitome of over-regulation. It's so ridiculous that it seems like it's from the Onion. To them, the government running the schools, the roads, and so on, sounds like a burden on them and it probably is. Government can be inefficient and ineffective. But then again, if you defund something and create unnecessary bureaucracy, of course it will be ineffective, hence why Republicans think government is ineffective and want to defund it and privatize certain elements.

But why ignore the 2016 election? Because Trump appealed to people of the Rust Belt and Coal states (Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin) by creating an "America First" priority in lessening regulation on industries in those states and promote American industry over foreign competitors via tariffs or whatever else. In other words, the Democrats took a free trade approach where as the populist Republican didn't. Fact is, Trump isn't a "Republican." He's a populist who knew what to say by appealing to people's despair and fear.

I know liberals and Democrats (and sometimes libertarians) like to joke that the poor are always voting Republican but it's also Middle Class Americans. Everyone is feeling the pinch. Everyone is blaming it on taxes and an over-regulatory government and they don't see how their taxes are benefiting them. It's problematic in rural areas because they don't see the effect of government firsthand where as urban areas see it immediately which is why they tend to be more liberal/Democratic.

The Democratic Party is far too concentrated in urban areas. It's becoming far too elite and abandoning populist ideas or outright ignoring them. The Republicans today are taking advantage of this with policies that sound great but are actually counter-productive (see West Virginia, coal, and the Opioid Epidemic).

That's my two cents.

@drunk_pi: Great, but why should we follow Republican policies that have demonstrated themselves to be complete failures? What I got from that was: Americans should all vote themselves into poverty like red states do because Democrats *fill in the blank*. Doesn't seem like a reason to keep voting yourself into poverty.

@tjandmia: He's not saying it's wise, he's just "trying to put you in their heads", at least according to his perceptions/beliefs, anyway.

Both parties have major flaws, to pretend one party is the best and the other guys are the criminals is naive.

Most voters stick to party lines while the smart ones vote for the one that has their best interests at heart.

People vote Republican because it satisfies their childish need to not have to share, or care, about anything or anyone.

People vote Democrat because they still think our leaders can save our system, and because they think the Democrats are not bought and sold like the Republicans.

Because the idea of lower taxes and less regulation (i.e. control from the government) can be more appealing than more taxes and more regulation. And it is. A person keeps what they worked for and isn't constrained by the government if that person wants to start a business, build a house and so on. They're not overtaxed and keep what they're owed. Greater freedom is the endgoal here. That being said, they lose out on social services. The nation's debt goes up. National/state/local funding is heavily limited and cannot be used to improve infrastructure, schools, hospitals, and so on. There's more reliance on privatizing services which all it does is divert your hard-earned cash to corporations who have their own self-interests versus just paying taxes to a government that is suppose to serve the needs of the people first. The collective is ignored over the individual and while the individual may not care, the individual is part of the collective regardless of how "free" they are.

There are other factors in play such as fear and ideology.

However, that doesn't mean it's impossible to convince a Republican to vote Democratic and vice-versa. You just have to talk in their language and use their concerns to justify your policy. For example, talk about how welfare can help keep families together and deter crime. You've essentially took two Republican talking points - family and crime - to justify the need to increase welfare subsidies.

What's so great about Republicanism?

Well it comes in a resealable bag. Fits in your pocket and is easy to travel with. Its safe to use as long as there is adult supervision around. You can get it in high definition but more often than not youll find it in black and white. And the best part is its only $9.95 at Wal Mart.

@drunk_pi: Voting yourself into poverty is more appealing? Alright. :)

First of all, your use of the word "republicanism" is very indicative of your leftist ignorance of politics. Hint: it does not mean what you think it means. Words have meaning and you really should google the word.

Secondly, conservative parties exists in all free countries. They constitute the main opposition to socialists and are in no way unique to the US. They promote traditional values and free markets combined with responsible behavior. Why is it so hard to understand the appeal with this?

Thirdly, even as a non-American it's obvious that your largest shitholes are run by democrats: Baltimore, Washington DC, Detroit, Oakland, Memphis....actually, you know what? Just google "most dangerous cities USA" and then check if they're run by democrats. This would make it painfully obvious that there's something logically wrong with you leftist theory.

Nice troll post.

But you could ask the same question and replace republicans with democrats/liberals

Two reasons,

1. Security
2. To counter a perceived decadence, loss of traditional values and moral values.

Edit: That said. Social Conservativism is just... lol. I can actually agree with Fiscial Conservativism from time to time (Personal Responsibility/More economic freedom/Less Government regulations are all fairly good goals). But Social Conservativism more often than not comes across as a sad attempt to fight for ideas that are outdated or were even bad to begin with.

Edit 2: Well said @drunk_pi. Couldnt have said it better myself.

Ugh...no, because red states are the poorest in the nation. Blue states are the wealthiest, subsidizing red states.

I'll tell you the great things.

It's all about taking care of yourself if you're able to. Not surrendering and being taken care of for your life.

It's about men knowing that they have to go out and earn for a family and it's about women knowing that they should be home with the children because once a kid hits 4 all it's programming is done. Classic defined roles.

And shitholes don't exist in West Virginia where the opioid crisis is taking its toll on rural Americans because of the lack of treatment centers and healthcare clinics? In southern states where poverty is an epidemic? And although cities tend to have their own fair share of crime, in the top 10 states with the most crime, most happen to vote Republican. LINK Promoting traditional values and free markets =/= responsible behavior since the same states also have the highest pregnancy rates LINK. I guess sex-ed and access to contraceptives is more responsible and practical versus just telling a bunch of horny teens and young adults to not spread their legs via abstinence-only education.

Also, conservative parties do exist in all free countries. They tend to oppose change such as, you know, slavery. Women's rights. Labor rights. And so on. They have opposed social security, medicare and medicaid. They have opposed Civil Rights citing religious reasons and "moral" reasons. They have opposed equal rights for LGBT people as well as supporting religious freedom laws while railing against others of a different religious who wish to build their place of worship. As for free markets, I lol'd. If the Republican Party supported free markets, why is coal still a dominant industry in West Virginia despite being an outdated and failing market? If the free market truly had its way, industries such as solar power would make way and promote job creation, yet we're not seeing that at all.

If the leftist theory is so wrong, why is it that countries in west Europe have the best education standards and better access to healthcare, as well as still being able to be wealthy and even happier? Why is it that the states with the highest quality of life tend to be Democratic LINK but the states with the lowest quality of life tend to be Republican? Link Maybe it's because when you invest in societal needs such as infrastructure, education and healthcare, while making it affordable (and even free), you tend to have lower levels of wealth disparity and lower crime. There's no doubt that other factors play into this such as having a more competitive marketplace but the "leftist" theory isn't so wrong considering the facts.

Because voting yourself into being overtaxed and over-regulated is also more appealing. Again, stop looking from the crystal tower and look at them from their point of view.

buhahahaha

I take it you have shit luck with women if you're so openly spouting such 1950's-era nonsense.

Glad I wasn't the only one who thought this thread would be about the merits of a republic system of governance.

I actually do amazingly well so I guess you're going to have to try another angle?

As for women being home with the children it's fact. All a child will know as far as how it's brain operates is completed by age 4. Women who want to juggle a career and child will get either a partially programmed child or a child programmed by another person.

This garbage is contradicted by literally all sociologists and anthropologists and society itself. A child's brain doesn't stop developing until well into adulthood as well as children are looked at differently in the eyes of the law until the age of 18 in a lot of jurisdictions, because they do not understand their actions... because the brain hasn't developed. There's also puberty which occurs after the age of 4.

This is the most basic of basic stuff, I find it hard to believe you're not trolling.

Jesus, guns, hating women and homosexuals and having lousy sex.

The republican party is more for the rich who love to hoarde wealth/money and the poor rural whites while the democratic party (generally) are for the middle class, poor minorities/whites in urban areas AND the ultra rich with socialistic beliefs. Recently the lines have been blurred with the democrat party shifting strongly to the right in their economic policies. Democrats won't outright give out tax cuts to corporations and the rich like the GOP...but they are more than happy to give out so called subsidies, which amounts to the same damn thing. Dems just sneak around like snakes/rats to do the bidding of the rich, whereas the GOP is much more direct in their approach.

There is no right and wrong party. You can have your own fukd up beliefs of how the world should work, ie pro life/choice, capital punishment/non capital, etc etc. Even the climate change issue doesn't matter that much--yes it will fuk a lot of people and drive countless species extinct, but we won't die out. Everyone has their own agenda, and so I say vote what you feel is important for you. Don't be swayed by the ads/television/media/friends. Just reflect on your own and what is important to you then make your choice. Nothing is worse than cult followers--they are just another form of brainwashed religious acolytes.

Nice alternative facts

That's a pretty good explanation, or whatever Jaysonguy was rambling about: same thing, different words.

All wrong, very wrong

The first 3 years shape every way the brain will function. That's the blueprint.

What you're saying doesn't even come close.

It lets people ignore that complimicated science crap.

No you can't,

Red states and counties are generally more poor, lower IQ/Education, lower income/GDP, etc. Low education is what makes them so easily tricked into voting for Republicans, who screw them over by keeping them dumb and poor to stay rich/powerful. It's a vicious and quite sad cycle.

@zaryia: To further add, red states are more government dependent, even though they look down upon people that rely on federal aid.

Top 10 Most Dependent

1. Kentucky
2. Mississippi
3. New Mexico
4. Alabama
5. West Virginia
6. South Carolina
7. Montana
8. Tennessee
9. Maine
10. Indiana

Top 10 Least Dependent

1. Delaware
2. Minnesota
3. New Jersey
4. Illinois
5. California
6. Kansas
7. Nevada
8. Massachusetts
9. Connecticut
10. New Hampshire

Source

Nothing will ever stop conservatives from spreading that lie. No matter how many times the truth is posted. Just like how Chicago doesn't even make the top 100 lists of highest murder rates in the country per capita. But every conservative loves to pretend they are number 1.

No you can't, at least not on average. As explained above.

I'm shit out of luck so don't mind watching Republicans destroy the nation.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahaha

My wife works full time. She makes about as much as I do so our income is roughly doubled. We have a 1 year old together and we share equal responsibility in his upbringing. My son will know and understand that work is important and that any woman that uses 'stay at home mom' as an excuse not to work is a fat, lazy cow.

What other nonsense particular since democrats have always had their core among the hard working american population.

What a bunch of .....And assuming that people who get a university degree also means they are more intelligent is based on your own personal opinion , rather than based on actual facts. Particular since there are a ton of BS degrees which ends up giving you nothing but debt.

You need to sit down and actually look at the demographics of each party.

Lastly you may want to check the demo for income, which shows that republicans are a majority in most of the higher earning groups. Opposed to 54% earning less than 30k a year who actually votes Democratic.

Nothing you wrote refutes the fact that red states/counties on average are more poor and have lower education. So easy to trick these "simple" folk.

http://politicsthatwork.com/blog/blue-states-outperforming-red-states.php

I think the misconception stems from the fact that there's a lot of "old" money that is Republican, and the "super" rich (top 1%, maybe?) and elite generally tend to be Republican.

The new rich (tech people, new business leaders, etc) and "regular" rich (top 90-99%?) might be democrat.

With that said, I do know a lot of people that break that six-figure "bubble" and suddenly they start voting Republican like they're part of that rich-person club lol.

Democrats (with limited exception) are oligarchic shills who pretend to represent the people.

Republicans are even worse.

Find your local representative.

Find out who butters his/her bread.

If it's not you and your neighbors, vote 'em the f***k out.

Get billionaire money out of politics and I promise you it won't matter which side you're on because they'll be working for 99% of you. The labels are just there to gull the masses: Republicans want to lock up the poor, Democrats want to take your freedoms away, Socialists want everyone to be equal regardless of effort, etc.

Family values, right to work, safe spaces, and freedom probably mean something to you, but they're used as props of misdirection by politicians. If any of those words pissed you off, it's time to start thinking for yourself.

As people wake up to what has been happening in this country -- not just the last election but for the past 30 years, I expect 2018 to be a political bloodbath. America always steps in it, but America always comes back stronger.