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@drunk_pi: This is just pure, filtrated BS.

You're simply pointing out reasons why the republican party isn't 100% conservative in every single aspect of political thought. Where do I start?

Given the statistically high risk of ending up poor if you have kids before marriage, the reliance on contraceptives is objectively less responsible than not having sex at all. The reasons (religious or otherwise) behind why you don't have sex are for the most part uninteresting. I fail to see your point.

Also, the southern states are historically less wealthy than the northern ones, this was the case even when the democrats ruled the south. Less wealth means automatically higher crime rates on average. However, it takes a special kind of retard to ruin historically wealthy population centers in areas that already have a predisposition for higher wealth.

Why did you even bring western Europe into this? It's a prime example of how to fail spectacularly. Western Europe was successful when it had a homogeneous society with high trust in public institutions and relatively sheltered markets This is changing rapidly, something which the rise of a real and proper right wing in several of these countries is very indicative of.

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Nothing I have read here tells us one bit why anyone would embrace Republican policies that have fostered and maintained poverty in red states for the past 100 years.

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@jointed said:

@drunk_pi: This is just pure, filtrated BS.

Post links or GTFO.

You're simply pointing out reasons why the republican party isn't 100% conservative in every single aspect of political thought. Where do I start?

The Republican Party throughout history =/= Conservatives throughout history. The GOP of the past would be considered liberal/progressive just as the Democratic Party would be conservative or reactionary even. However, this is a simplistic statement, considering that political parties have always had factions within themselves. For example, the Democrats of the north were liberal and supportive of civil rights just as Dixiecrats of the south were reactionary. The same could be said about the GOP when Goldwater came to the ticket and supported civil rights, sparking a flip of the electoral map.

Given the statistically high risk of ending up poor if you have kids before marriage, the reliance on contraceptives is objectively less responsible than not having sex at all. The reasons (religious or otherwise) behind why you don't have sex are for the most part uninteresting. I fail to see your point.

People are going to have sex. It's called human nature. You can teach people not to have sex but teaching them what contraceptives can do for them as well as making affordable, as well as teaching basic sex ed can lower the rate of teen pregnancies and communicable diseases. The whole point is responsible sex over misguided teachings of abstinence and fear of sex can do. It could also lower the rates of unwanted pregnancies.

Also, the southern states are historically less wealthy than the northern ones, this was the case even when the democrats ruled the south. Less wealth means automatically higher crime rates on average. However, it takes a special kind of retard to ruin historically wealthy population centers in areas that already have a predisposition for higher wealth.

The Republicans have had control over the southern states in local and state positions in the past several decades. Blaming it on previous Democrats is a pisspoor excuse, especially when states like Kansas have adopted fiscal restraint and low taxes, only to see their state in high debt, and especially in West Virginia where the Opioid crisis has taken its toll on rural areas due to the lack of healthcare clinics, access to healthcare and treatment centers. The statistics have been put out supporting that most southern states have the worst education systems and the worst standard of living. There are problems with Democratic controlled states, no doubt about it but most Democratic states have the highest standard of living, better access to healthcare and education systems. It's not my problem that you continue to reject these findings in order to satisfy your emotional ideology.

Why did you even bring western Europe into this? It's a prime example of how to fail spectacularly. Western Europe was successful when it had a homogeneous society with high trust in public institutions and relatively sheltered markets This is changing rapidly, something which the rise of a real and proper right wing in several of these countries is very indicative of.

By taking advantage of a migrant crisis, of course reactionary parties are going to increase in popularity. Yet, it doesn't take away the successes of the Nordic states or any state that invests in education and healthcare, as well as other institutions necessary for the people. So how western Europe is failing is beyond me because so far, they're succeeding in most aspects where we are failing spectacularly, relying on failing institutions that have been defunded or even privatized because we have fallen for the idea that free markets are the only solution to everything.

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Republicans take responsibility for their actions. They are the vision of what this country was supposed to be. Not socialist/communist utopia where there are 500 genders and everybody hugs a cloud instead of dealing with lifes problems.

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#55 Drunk_PI
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@n64dd said:

Republicans take responsibility for their actions. They are the vision of what this country was supposed to be. Not socialist/communist utopia where there are 500 genders and everybody hugs a cloud instead of dealing with lifes problems.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Oh wait, you're being serious...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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@drunk_pi said:
@n64dd said:

Republicans take responsibility for their actions. They are the vision of what this country was supposed to be. Not socialist/communist utopia where there are 500 genders and everybody hugs a cloud instead of dealing with lifes problems.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Oh wait, you're being serious...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Need a cloud to hug?

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#57 Drunk_PI
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@n64dd said:
@drunk_pi said:
@n64dd said:

Republicans take responsibility for their actions. They are the vision of what this country was supposed to be. Not socialist/communist utopia where there are 500 genders and everybody hugs a cloud instead of dealing with lifes problems.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Oh wait, you're being serious...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Need a cloud to hug?

Did you hear about Trump taking a vacation and letting his VP do all the work? Very presidential.

Maybe he needs the hug. ;)

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@n64dd said:

Republicans take responsibility for their actions. They are the vision of what this country was supposed to be. Not socialist/communist utopia where there are 500 genders and everybody hugs a cloud instead of dealing with lifes problems.

Then Republicans need to take responsibility for this disaster they put into office instead of just deflecting to Hillary every time Trump and his administration does something awful for the country.

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@mark1974 said:
@n64dd said:

Republicans take responsibility for their actions. They are the vision of what this country was supposed to be. Not socialist/communist utopia where there are 500 genders and everybody hugs a cloud instead of dealing with lifes problems.

Then Republicans need to take responsibility for this disaster they put into office instead of just deflecting to Hillary every time Trump and his administration does something awful for the country.

Only way for that to happen is for both parties to agree on it. Dems taking responsibility for what they do as well. I doubt either party want to be first.

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@horgen said:
@mark1974 said:
@n64dd said:

Republicans take responsibility for their actions. They are the vision of what this country was supposed to be. Not socialist/communist utopia where there are 500 genders and everybody hugs a cloud instead of dealing with lifes problems.

Then Republicans need to take responsibility for this disaster they put into office instead of just deflecting to Hillary every time Trump and his administration does something awful for the country.

Only way for that to happen is for both parties to agree on it. Dems taking responsibility for what they do as well. I doubt either party want to be first.

Democrats are blaming another country for them being wrong still. The denial is strong

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@mark1974: Here's another one for ya. Top 10 richest and poorest states, and guess what? Red states are the poorest.

Top 10 Poorest States

  1. Mississippi
  2. Arkansas
  3. West Virginia
  4. Alabama
  5. Kentucky
  6. New Mexico
  7. Louisiana
  8. South Carolina
  9. Tennessee
  10. North Carolina

Top 10 Richest States

  1. Maryland
  2. Hawaii
  3. Alaska
  4. New Jersey
  5. Connecticut
  6. Massachusetts
  7. New Hampshire
  8. Virginia
  9. California
  10. Washington

Source.

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@n64dd said:

Republicans take responsibility for their actions. They are the vision of what this country was supposed to be. Not socialist/communist utopia where there are 500 genders and everybody hugs a cloud instead of dealing with lifes problems.

They represent those most dependent on the federal government, in a country that was supposed to be dirt poor? Yay, Republicanism!!!!

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@perfect_blue said:
@Jaysonguy said:

I actually do amazingly well so I guess you're going to have to try another angle?

As for women being home with the children it's fact. All a child will know as far as how it's brain operates is completed by age 4. Women who want to juggle a career and child will get either a partially programmed child or a child programmed by another person.

This garbage is contradicted by literally all sociologists and anthropologists and society itself. A child's brain doesn't stop developing until well into adulthood as well as children are looked at differently in the eyes of the law until the age of 18 in a lot of jurisdictions, because they do not understand their actions... because the brain hasn't developed. There's also puberty which occurs after the age of 4.

This is the most basic of basic stuff, I find it hard to believe you're not trolling.

Hell, the brain even continues to develop well past the age of 18.

As far as I know, there are parts of the brain still developing at the age of 25. I remember my biochemistry professor giving a slight lecture on this, during break time.

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@jointed: Seeing how you are defending failed abstinence programs...

If you are being serious, your view is extremely naive. Abstinence programs have showed very little correlation with delayed sex. You wont convince anyone to give up human nature. the only ones that are "convinced" are those who already made up their mind before. They have showed very little success, compare this to the other programs.

The difference is, sane people support sex education because it has shown to be a successful method to countering teen pregnancies. We don't support things because they fit our ideology, we support them because they work. Look at California vs say... Texas. In the past 30 years, California adopted sex ed programs. And their teen pregnancy rates dropped so hard. Mississippi is another example, where during a 4 year period their teen birth rates were nearly halved, following the introduction of comprehensive sex ed. Granted, there were surely other factors into play as well. But the success of sex ed can not be denied, compared to the dismal failure of abstinence only programs.

Adding loaded language to make them sound better means nothing. Responsibility sounds nice and all, but all responsibility in the world means nothing if it yields no results.

http://www.advocatesforyouth.org/publications/publications-a-z/409-the-truth-about-abstinence-only-programs

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@zaryia said:
@Jacanuk said:

What a bunch of .....And assuming that people who get a university degree also means they are more intelligent is based on your own personal opinion , rather than based on actual facts. Particular since there are a ton of BS degrees which ends up giving you nothing but debt.

You need to sit down and actually look at the demographics of each party.

Lastly you may want to check the demo for income, which shows that republicans are a majority in most of the higher earning groups. Opposed to 54% earning less than 30k a year who actually votes Democratic.

Nothing you wrote refutes the fact that red states/counties on average are more poor and have lower education. So easy to trick these "simple" folk.

http://politicsthatwork.com/blog/blue-states-outperforming-red-states.php

That may be but the avg. republican voter are not poor, so nice misrepresented the facts there.

The Avg. democratic voter are usually in the bottom 3 income bracket.

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@plageus900 said:

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahaha

My wife works full time. She makes about as much as I do so our income is roughly doubled. We have a 1 year old together and we share equal responsibility in his upbringing. My son will know and understand that work is important and that any woman that uses 'stay at home mom' as an excuse not to work is a fat, lazy cow.

That is a hyperbolic statement at best. There are many different people, jobs, and situations. You've clearly found a situation that you feel works for you and that's great, but you shouldn't assume that "I did it this way therefore everyone should be able to do it exactly the same way and if they don't/can't then the failing is theirs." Some families have more than one child. Other families may have access or (or not access to) help with the kids from extended family. The logistics of getting the children to and from school vary wildly. Hell, the needs of the kid as they get older vary wildly. Access to daycare relative to income varies. Etc, etc, etc.

While I absolutely support the idea of both parents working if they can make it work, that doesn't necessarily mean it works for everyone. If it makes sense for either the dad or the mom to stay home when all the factors are taken into consideration, then I say go for it. You only get one chance to spend time with your children while they are growing up and there's nothing wrong with that.

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@Byshop said:
@plageus900 said:

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahaha

My wife works full time. She makes about as much as I do so our income is roughly doubled. We have a 1 year old together and we share equal responsibility in his upbringing. My son will know and understand that work is important and that any woman that uses 'stay at home mom' as an excuse not to work is a fat, lazy cow.

That is a hyperbolic statement at best. There are many different people, jobs, and situations. You've clearly found a situation that you feel works for you and that's great, but you shouldn't assume that "I did it this way therefore everyone should be able to do it exactly the same way and if they don't/can't then the failing is theirs." Some families have more than one child. Other families may have access or (or not access to) help with the kids from extended family. The logistics of getting the children to and from school vary wildly. Hell, the needs of the kid as they get older vary wildly. Access to daycare relative to income varies. Etc, etc, etc.

While I absolutely support the idea of both parents working if they can make it work, that doesn't necessarily mean it works for everyone. If it makes sense for either the dad or the mom to stay home when all the factors are taken into consideration, then I say go for it. You only get one chance to spend time with your children while they are growing up and there's nothing wrong with that.

-Byshop

Agreed. I think it's just about making it work with what you have and maximizing that.

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@Jacanuk said:
@zaryia said:
@Jacanuk said:

What a bunch of .....And assuming that people who get a university degree also means they are more intelligent is based on your own personal opinion , rather than based on actual facts. Particular since there are a ton of BS degrees which ends up giving you nothing but debt.

You need to sit down and actually look at the demographics of each party.

Lastly you may want to check the demo for income, which shows that republicans are a majority in most of the higher earning groups. Opposed to 54% earning less than 30k a year who actually votes Democratic.

Nothing you wrote refutes the fact that red states/counties on average are more poor and have lower education. So easy to trick these "simple" folk.

http://politicsthatwork.com/blog/blue-states-outperforming-red-states.php

That may be but the avg. republican voter are not poor, so nice misrepresented the facts there.

The Avg. democratic voter are usually in the bottom 3 income bracket.

Post links please. Otherwise, I'm more inclined to side with zaryia because links were actually posted.

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@drunk_pi said:
@Jacanuk said:
@zaryia said:
@Jacanuk said:

What a bunch of .....And assuming that people who get a university degree also means they are more intelligent is based on your own personal opinion , rather than based on actual facts. Particular since there are a ton of BS degrees which ends up giving you nothing but debt.

You need to sit down and actually look at the demographics of each party.

Lastly you may want to check the demo for income, which shows that republicans are a majority in most of the higher earning groups. Opposed to 54% earning less than 30k a year who actually votes Democratic.

Nothing you wrote refutes the fact that red states/counties on average are more poor and have lower education. So easy to trick these "simple" folk.

http://politicsthatwork.com/blog/blue-states-outperforming-red-states.php

That may be but the avg. republican voter are not poor, so nice misrepresented the facts there.

The Avg. democratic voter are usually in the bottom 3 income bracket.

Post links please. Otherwise, I'm more inclined to side with zaryia because links were actually posted.

You'll just pull the "Trump is working the russians" no matter how much proof you have.

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@n64dd said:
@drunk_pi said:
@Jacanuk said:
@zaryia said:
@Jacanuk said:

What a bunch of .....And assuming that people who get a university degree also means they are more intelligent is based on your own personal opinion , rather than based on actual facts. Particular since there are a ton of BS degrees which ends up giving you nothing but debt.

You need to sit down and actually look at the demographics of each party.

Lastly you may want to check the demo for income, which shows that republicans are a majority in most of the higher earning groups. Opposed to 54% earning less than 30k a year who actually votes Democratic.

Nothing you wrote refutes the fact that red states/counties on average are more poor and have lower education. So easy to trick these "simple" folk.

http://politicsthatwork.com/blog/blue-states-outperforming-red-states.php

That may be but the avg. republican voter are not poor, so nice misrepresented the facts there.

The Avg. democratic voter are usually in the bottom 3 income bracket.

Post links please. Otherwise, I'm more inclined to side with zaryia because links were actually posted.

You'll just pull the "Trump is working the russians" no matter how much proof you have.

Nice deflection. My statement still stands. Post links to back up your statements. So far the only people who have posted anything related to evidence have been on the liberal side. I'm pretty sure conservatives can make a good argument here but unfortunately, that's not the case.

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Beware the Republican, for he is the rich man's pawn. Alone among the educated, he obstructs progress for sport or lust or greed. Yea, he will murder his brother to possess his brother's land. Let him not breed in great numbers, for he will make a 3rd world country of his home and yours. Shun him; drive him back into his poor red state, for he is the harbinger of poverty.

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Economically speaking I'd like to point out that pretty much every ideology has lead to disaster somewhere. There are European countries thriving under socialist policies and then there's Venezuela that's on the brink of collapse. It's more about the actual people in charge than what ideology they claim to be following. This is why partisan politics is so infuriating to watch. You have people from both parties throwing insults at one another not realizing that both parties are only here to serve their own interests, not the public's.

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Is there even a thing called republicanism? Political parties change and shift over election cycles and evolving demographics.

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I'm just going to add more fuel to fire by showing that red states also have the worst education.

Top 10 Least Educated

  1. West Virginia
  2. Mississippi
  3. Louisiana
  4. Arkansas
  5. Kentucky
  6. Nevada
  7. Alabama
  8. Tennessee
  9. Texas
  10. Oklahoma

Top 10 Most Educated

  1. Massachusetts
  2. Maryland
  3. Colorado
  4. Connecticut
  5. Vermont
  6. New Hampshire
  7. Virginia
  8. Minnesota
  9. Washington
  10. New Jersey

Source.

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@xdude85: You'll find that they also have the most violent crime and the most gun violence. So much for "An armed society is a polite society."

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#76 xdude85
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@tjandmia: Let's break that down as well.

Top 10 States with the Highest Gun Violence

  1. Alaska
  2. Louisiana
  3. Mississippi
  4. Alabama
  5. Montana
  6. Arkansas
  7. New Mexico
  8. Wyoming
  9. South Carolina
  10. Oklahoma

Top 10 States with the Lowest Gun Violence

  1. Hawaii
  2. Rhode Island
  3. Massachusetts
  4. New York
  5. Connecticut
  6. New Jersey
  7. Minnesota
  8. California
  9. Iowa
  10. Wisconsin

Source.

Source 2.

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@Toxic-Seahorse said:

Economically speaking I'd like to point out that pretty much every ideology has lead to disaster somewhere. There are European countries thriving under socialist policies and then there's Venezuela that's on the brink of collapse. It's more about the actual people in charge than what ideology they claim to be following. This is why partisan politics is so infuriating to watch. You have people from both parties throwing insults at one another not realizing that both parties are only here to serve their own interests, not the public's.

Ahhh, the classic "both sides the are same!" nonsense. Was waiting until this would pop up and it came later than usual.

I genuinely have never read a good argument to the claim that Democrats and Republicans are equally bad in 2017.

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@perfect_blue said:
@Toxic-Seahorse said:

Economically speaking I'd like to point out that pretty much every ideology has lead to disaster somewhere. There are European countries thriving under socialist policies and then there's Venezuela that's on the brink of collapse. It's more about the actual people in charge than what ideology they claim to be following. This is why partisan politics is so infuriating to watch. You have people from both parties throwing insults at one another not realizing that both parties are only here to serve their own interests, not the public's.

Ahhh, the classic "both sides the are same!" nonsense. Was waiting until this would pop up and it came later than usual.

I genuinely have never read a good argument to the claim that Democrats and Republicans are equally bad in 2017.

That's a subjective argument and not one that I wish to have. I'm simply stating that they both suck and neither cares about the average American. They're both in it for self interest.

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@Toxic-Seahorse said:
@perfect_blue said:
@Toxic-Seahorse said:

Economically speaking I'd like to point out that pretty much every ideology has lead to disaster somewhere. There are European countries thriving under socialist policies and then there's Venezuela that's on the brink of collapse. It's more about the actual people in charge than what ideology they claim to be following. This is why partisan politics is so infuriating to watch. You have people from both parties throwing insults at one another not realizing that both parties are only here to serve their own interests, not the public's.

Ahhh, the classic "both sides the are same!" nonsense. Was waiting until this would pop up and it came later than usual.

I genuinely have never read a good argument to the claim that Democrats and Republicans are equally bad in 2017.

That's a subjective argument and not one that I wish to have. I'm simply stating that they both suck and neither cares about the average American. They're both in it for self interest.

Republicans are common folk who just want to keep values, morals, and be responsible for their actions. Democrats are usually the failures, the poor and want to drag everybody down to their level.

It's like when somebody is drowning and you try to help them and they pull you under to save themselves.

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@perfect_blue said:

Ahhh, the classic "both sides the are same!" nonsense. Was waiting until this would pop up and it came later than usual.

I genuinely have never read a good argument to the claim that Democrats and Republicans are equally bad in 2017.

He is not exactly wrong though. Execution is key. A universal healthcare system will only work if the necessary infrastructure is up to support it.

While Democrats>Republicans, lets get real here, both kinda suck. Democrats were constantly snubbing and screwing over their base, voter suppression in the primaries, outright silencing people at the DNC, and pretty much taking their would be victory for granted. They are not as bad as the contemporary republicans sure, they are on a whole another level of insanity. Ctrl-F "God" in their party platform and you get 16 hits, and one of them is Godzilla.

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@drunk_pi said:
@Jacanuk said:
@zaryia said:
@Jacanuk said:

What a bunch of .....And assuming that people who get a university degree also means they are more intelligent is based on your own personal opinion , rather than based on actual facts. Particular since there are a ton of BS degrees which ends up giving you nothing but debt.

You need to sit down and actually look at the demographics of each party.

Lastly you may want to check the demo for income, which shows that republicans are a majority in most of the higher earning groups. Opposed to 54% earning less than 30k a year who actually votes Democratic.

Nothing you wrote refutes the fact that red states/counties on average are more poor and have lower education. So easy to trick these "simple" folk.

http://politicsthatwork.com/blog/blue-states-outperforming-red-states.php

That may be but the avg. republican voter are not poor, so nice misrepresented the facts there.

The Avg. democratic voter are usually in the bottom 3 income bracket.

Post links please. Otherwise, I'm more inclined to side with zaryia because links were actually posted.

Sure, here you go a source from NY times, i think we can agree that a alt-left media would not fake their own polls to go against them

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/08/us/politics/election-exit-polls.html

Which shows 3 top earning brackets all have a majority towards Republicans and the 2 lowest income brackets is by far democratic. and then in the middle it´s more even.

And that is even with a 9 point gain for democrats in the 100k to 200k income group.

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@xdude85 said:

I'm just going to add more fuel to fire by showing that red states also have the worst education.

Top 10 Least Educated

  1. West Virginia
  2. Mississippi
  3. Louisiana
  4. Arkansas
  5. Kentucky
  6. Nevada
  7. Alabama
  8. Tennessee
  9. Texas
  10. Oklahoma

Top 10 Most Educated

  1. Massachusetts
  2. Maryland
  3. Colorado
  4. Connecticut
  5. Vermont
  6. New Hampshire
  7. Virginia
  8. Minnesota
  9. Washington
  10. New Jersey

Source.

Keep posting this which has no validity.

Maybe try and look at the actual demographic and not go with the assumption that a master in women studios is better than most people who actually work hard.

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#83  Edited By Zaryia
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@Jacanuk said:
@drunk_pi said:
@Jacanuk said:
@zaryia said:

Nothing you wrote refutes the fact that red states/counties on average are more poor and have lower education. So easy to trick these "simple" folk.

http://politicsthatwork.com/blog/blue-states-outperforming-red-states.php

That may be but the avg. republican voter are not poor, so nice misrepresented the facts there.

The Avg. democratic voter are usually in the bottom 3 income bracket.

Post links please. Otherwise, I'm more inclined to side with zaryia because links were actually posted.

Sure, here you go a source from NY times, i think we can agree that a alt-left media would not fake their own polls to go against them

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/08/us/politics/election-exit-polls.html

Which shows 3 top earning brackets all have a majority towards Republicans and the 2 lowest income brackets is by far democratic. and then in the middle it´s more even.

And that is even with a 9 point gain for democrats in the 100k to 200k income group.

1 exit poll(lol) of one election vs multiple studies and tons of data. I think I know which set of sources i'll be sticking with.

Since you're going to use NYT, https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/31/opinion/campaign-stops/the-path-to-prosperity-is-blue.html

Until I see otherwise, Red states have lower eduction, gdp, and income as all real data overwhelmingly shows.

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@Jacanuk: Yet, look at the states with higher unemployment rates, some of those states are also high on the list in terms of both poverty and poor education.

Top 10 Highest Unemployment

  1. New Mexico
  2. Alaska
  3. Alabama
  4. Louisiana
  5. Washington D.C.
  6. Illinois
  7. Tennessee
  8. Michigan
  9. Georgia
  10. West Virginia

Top 10 Lowest Unemployment

  1. New Hampshire
  2. Hawaii
  3. South Dakota
  4. Colorado
  5. North Dakota
  6. Vermont
  7. Utah
  8. Iowa
  9. Maine
  10. Nebraska

Source.

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@zaryia said:
@Jacanuk said:
@drunk_pi said:
@Jacanuk said:
@zaryia said:

Nothing you wrote refutes the fact that red states/counties on average are more poor and have lower education. So easy to trick these "simple" folk.

http://politicsthatwork.com/blog/blue-states-outperforming-red-states.php

That may be but the avg. republican voter are not poor, so nice misrepresented the facts there.

The Avg. democratic voter are usually in the bottom 3 income bracket.

Post links please. Otherwise, I'm more inclined to side with zaryia because links were actually posted.

Sure, here you go a source from NY times, i think we can agree that a alt-left media would not fake their own polls to go against them

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/08/us/politics/election-exit-polls.html

Which shows 3 top earning brackets all have a majority towards Republicans and the 2 lowest income brackets is by far democratic. and then in the middle it´s more even.

And that is even with a 9 point gain for democrats in the 100k to 200k income group.

1 exit poll(lol) of one election vs multiple studies and tons of data. I think I know which set of sources i'll be sticking with.

Since you're going to use NYT, https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/31/opinion/campaign-stops/the-path-to-prosperity-is-blue.html

Until I see otherwise, Red states have lower eduction, gdp, and income as all real data overwhelmingly shows.

I am not sure why you are having a hard time with the facts?

Not to mention that you keep on trying to prove something with a strange circular logic.

Also just because you have a bachelor does not mean you are a asset to society. I mean after all last i checked a few safe space colleges had women studies and other more "inventive" degrees on their books.

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@xdude85 said:

@Jacanuk: Yet, look at the states with higher unemployment rates, some of those states are also high on the list in terms of both poverty and poor education.

Top 10 Highest Unemployment

  1. New Mexico
  2. Alaska
  3. Alabama
  4. Louisiana
  5. Washington D.C.
  6. Illinois
  7. Tennessee
  8. Michigan
  9. Georgia
  10. West Virginia

Top 10 Lowest Unemployment

  1. New Hampshire
  2. Hawaii
  3. South Dakota
  4. Colorado
  5. North Dakota
  6. Vermont
  7. Utah
  8. Iowa
  9. Maine
  10. Nebraska

Source.

Sure, but you want to dig into a bit why some of those states has a high unemployment rate and who those "unemployed" may vote for.

Just because a state voted for republicans does not mean everyone in the state did.

and also thanks to a certain Obama and Clinton a few of those jobs were lost.... but hey who cares right?

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@Jacanuk said:
@xdude85 said:

@Jacanuk: Yet, look at the states with higher unemployment rates, some of those states are also high on the list in terms of both poverty and poor education.

Top 10 Highest Unemployment

  1. New Mexico
  2. Alaska
  3. Alabama
  4. Louisiana
  5. Washington D.C.
  6. Illinois
  7. Tennessee
  8. Michigan
  9. Georgia
  10. West Virginia

Top 10 Lowest Unemployment

  1. New Hampshire
  2. Hawaii
  3. South Dakota
  4. Colorado
  5. North Dakota
  6. Vermont
  7. Utah
  8. Iowa
  9. Maine
  10. Nebraska

Source.

Sure, but you want to dig into a bit why some of those states has a high unemployment rate and who those "unemployed" may vote for.

Just because a state voted for republicans does not mean everyone in the state did.

and also thanks to a certain Obama and Clinton a few of those jobs were lost.... but hey who cares right?

Also, lets take a look at those inner cities.

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LOL The old "look at cities" nonsense. Red cities are also the most violent.

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@Jacanuk said:

I am not sure why you are having a hard time with the facts?

Facts are paramount, and very important to me. That is the main reason I am not a Republican!

It is also the reason why I can boldly claim that Red States on average have lower income, gdp, and education. Because that is a fact.

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@zaryia said:
@Jacanuk said:

I am not sure why you are having a hard time with the facts?

Facts are paramount, and very important to me. That is the main reason I am not a Republican!

It is also the reason why I can boldly claim that Red States on average have lower income, gdp, and education. Because that is a fact.

What about inner cities?

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It's duh inner cities!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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@zaryia said:
@Jacanuk said:

I am not sure why you are having a hard time with the facts?

Facts are paramount, and very important to me. That is the main reason I am not a Republican!

It is also the reason why I can boldly claim that Red States on average have lower income, gdp, and education. Because that is a fact.

You are confusing two things here, first facts does not care what you vote, facts are facts and democrats are no better than republicans when it comes to "misusing" those. Trump is a whole chapter for himself and is no more republican than he is democrat, he is a trump support.

And again with the circle logic

You forget the many factors in voting and also the fact that poor and uneducated people most times don't vote. and out of the ones that do they by a majority voted for democrats.

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@Jacanuk: uhhhh. I get that it probably makes you feel better, but these things are tracked. Most of the poorest counties in America voted R last election. You're simply wrong and there's no way out of it.

Republicans vote themselves into poverty.

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@thomasrl101: The issue is that the current incarnation of the Republican party has become a caricature of themselves. Rather than limiting taxation and regulation to what is beneficial (and avoiding that which is not), they've made a panacea out of the concept of eliminating regulation and taxation. However, we know that certain forms of regulation and taxation are beneficial for various reasons and under certain circumstances.

Operating under the delusion they've created for themselves, they've become blind to (and often even perpetuate) things that constrain the economy or create problems within the economy.

Economics is a complex social science with numerous variables and existing in an ever changing landscape. Beware of anyone peddling simple answers like, "removing government frees up the economy."

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@thomasrl101: what's this nonsense about Republicans focusing on freedom and the individual? Lol. That sure as shit isn't Republicanism. Just ask any woman.

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@mattbbpl said:

@thomasrl101: The issue is that the current incarnation of the Republication has become a caricature of themselves. Rather than limiting taxation and regulation to what is beneficial (and avoiding that which is not), they've made a panacea out of the concept of eliminating regulation and taxation. However, we know that certain forms of regulation and taxation are beneficial for various reasons and under certain circumstances.

Operating under the delusion they've created for themselves, they've become blind to (and often even perpetuate) things that constrain the economy or create problems within the economy.

Economics is a complex social science with numerous variables and existing in an ever changing landscape. Beware of anyone peddling simple answers like, "removing government frees up the economy."

Wasn't the first thing Trump did was to eliminate a restriction on a tax which heavily impacted the middle class? Effectively raising the taxes on the middle class.

But yes, I agree with everything else you say. Conservativism is not a bad idea. It is just how it evolved in the US. Hell, the conservatives over here in europe is fine for most of the part. Very little climate change skepticism, and they seem to want to do what is best for the country rather than being the no man of the other party.

There is sadly very little nuance under partisian hacks, that goes for both left wing and right wing hacks, and libertarian hacks. All who often have a very 1 dimentional view.

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@tjandmia said:

@Jacanuk: uhhhh. I get that it probably makes you feel better, but these things are tracked. Most of the poorest counties in America voted R last election. You're simply wrong and there's no way out of it.

Republicans vote themselves into poverty.

What utter nonsense.

Particular since many of the republicans come from the top 3 wage brackets

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@Jacanuk: yet what we look at the counties that Trump actually won, we see that the poorest voted overwhelmingly for him. Go figure.

Whatever make you feel better, comrade, but you can't get around this fact. Sorry, but rural Americans, the poorest, gave is this disaster.

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Nah. Too many studies showing lower income, iq, gdp, Informedness, education, etc. Republicanism has failed red counties/states. Too much about policy that lines their pockets as opposed to providing better education and job oppertunities.

Here's yet another,

http://empirenews.net/study-finds-trump-voters-have-drastically-lower-iq-than-liberals/