Will the Democrats will lose the next 2 election cycles if they do not pass the multi-trillion reconciliation bill?

Is that a fair assumption? My understanding is that Joe Biden's entire agenda has been stuffed into this bill. If democrats fail to pass it they will be the party that ran on government being able to make a difference and then having done nothing when finally given the opportunity to do something big.

How easy would it be for you guys to keep voting for the party that let their moment slip away?

What moment? They dont have the votes to do jackshit. Id rather them then those fascist Republicans.

America is such garbage with parties, and political representation compared to other first-world countries.

Democrats are feckless, neoliberal centrists that stopped being left-leaning decades ago, and offer no real change when in power because they're a controlled opposition that's beholden to a Republican Party that continually obstructs, acts in bad faith, and demands "bipartisanship" AKA sabotaging and gutting every piece of legislation they have. They never fight back because they allow Republicans to control the narrative and have also allowed them to claim to be more "patriotic" than Democrats.

People need to understand that many of us are sick of Democrats being dead on arrival, the sad news is that there are no other options to vote for.

If we had multiple parties that stood a fair shot at winning and representation, then I could actually vote for a left-leaning party. But this is America, and of course we don't have that. The only other option is the Republicans who are nothing but crypto-Nazis at this point, and they're infinitely worse.

So, in short, Democrats can't do anything, and won't actively to try and make things better or worse. Republicans meanwhile can't do anything either, and do everything in they can to actively make things worse for everyone.

@xdude85: So just keep Democrats while voting for Progressive ones.

Honestly, even if they do pass this thing, I don't see Joe Biden winning another election. He managed to skate by in 2020 by standing back and letting Trump's COVID response do him in. That wont work when he's the guy in charge.

And Democrats are losing congress next year either way.

What does it matter if you have 2 bad parties, or 20? The US has many parties, way more than two. It only ever boils down to just to for a few reasons. First, media has a huge amount of control over our elections dictating who gets good press, who gets bad, who gets none, and hosting debates, and secondly, the "if you don't vote for X, then you're responsible for Y getting elected" mentality. More parties won't fix either.

@judaspete: Democrats losing it is yet to be seen. They werent supposed to win in 2018 or 2020.

I wouldn't be surprised if the democrats kept it and expanded their majority slightly. The republicans current coalition is not fit for off-year elections now that a large chunk of white college educated voters left that party. White college educated voters usually turn out in high numbers during midterm elections in the US while non-college voters and minorities don't. Biden is also going to get a boost from things returning to normal by sometime in 2022 hopefully.

@super600: Just hope we dont fall off a fiscal cliff in a few weeks.

Not if Americans are educated as to what's happening in Congress. And the Democrats need to get that message out.

The Democrats have been an absolute shitshow. Seeing the denial in this thread is hilarious. They will lose both houses.

Yeah? Tell me, what's happening in congress that is of the utmost importance that they need to get out? And is that message actually true or just true in your imagination?

Passing a large bill on infrastructure, coupled with this reconciliation package, would be a win for Biden. If Republicans (and Manchin) are successful in halting it, Biden will have little to show by 2022. However, our political landscape is volatile. I'm not ready to make bets given our timeline. But I will say that passing it increases Biden's chances of retaining the House.

They'll lose if they can't strengthen election integrity and they're losing that fight. He can pass the infrastructure bill it and still lose next election.

@silentchief: Like how Trump was going to win in a landslide? There is no denial in here and its Republicans that are the shitshow.

@eoten: 🤦‍♂️ You really need to stop gatekeeping for Republicans. You would just reject anything he says.

@lamprey263: 2020 wasnt stolen. 🙄

@HoolaHoopMan: Sad republicans would kill the country to get power. More reason to vote them out.

@thenation: "2020 wasnt stolen."

I wasn't saying it was, I was talking about the restrictive voting laws being passed in Republican led states since the 2020 election.

@thenation: I never said they would win in a landslide. After Covid hit I knew that wouldn't happen. But looking at Bidens approval rating he is on pace to beat Trumps low..

They will get trounced in the midterm elections.

Covid is still raging, the economy is having a slower recovery then expected, inflation is booming, the Afghanistan debacle along with the boarder crisis. The left is a shitshow.

@silentchief: Sure you didnt. 🙄 Bidens approval isnt near Trumps but rather average.

@lamprey263: You said election integrity, without context its easy to misunderstand.

Oh Biden has already fucked up his presidency in just his first 8 months, I don't think anything he or Democrats can do will save 2022 for them. I think mandate this, tax that, coupled with the absolute clusterfuck that was the Afghanistan withdrawal has pretty much sealed the deal going forward.

@eoten: Like how Trump was gonna win in a landslide? We all remember you and your buddies honking that horn.

If you think the general public is going to forget what happened to the GOP, you are mistaken.

@thenation: Can you post a link,?

Bidens recent approval rating was 39%... that's not average

@silentchief: 43% per Gallup a few days ago.

@silentchief: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/biden_favorableunfavorable-6677.html

Where is the 39?

Really? You've been a member since 2021, the election was 2020. What is your other name?

What was yours?

@LJS9502_basic: Which one? He has like 6

Dero trump is responsible for Covid going of it's head and all the retard red southern states are magnifying the issue even more.

Biden's approval rating is below average. Better than Trump's which was terrible but Biden's is still below average.

However, this is to be expected. Biden's political honeymoon period is over, and he was never a really good fit (too old for one). He was chosen because people just desperately wanted to get rid of Trump. This is strategic voting and the first past the post system in all its consequences.

On both the democratic side and republican side, Biden is denigrated for his dismal handling of Afghanistan. He also meets a lot of ridicule from his gaffes. He is basically a Dubya but with a D next to his name.

Democrats are likely to lose the midterms, and it seems 50/50 if the democrats lose the white house or not.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/oct/6/bidens-approval-rating-drops-38-quinnipiac-poll/

Biden approval rating now at 38%

Lmao!

Biden's approval rating is going down, but his biggest blunder, Afghanistan is becoming a distant memory in the media and public's eye. I wonder what is causing it?

My guess would be the economy and COVID 19.

Good god, almost twice as many people disapprove as approve. He's become a meme even people in other countries understand. I even hear Canadians and Australians making jokes about him. He's definitely become a laughing stock.

Looks like you picked the lowest.

He has plenty of time to rebound. Not sure why people aren't taking the Republicans in Congress to task though.

@LJS9502_basic: Are you saying he cherry picked a poll to fit his narrative? Im shook! 🤯

Generally the party doesn't run another candidate though. Unless Biden only does one term. Which I think he should. But parties don't primary and incumbent.

@LJS9502_basic: Biden will be too old. I think the democrats only backed him because he was more likely to beat Trump. He served his purpose.

Yeah I think one term is best. I just don't make bets on politicians.:)

Like your positive attitude. Let's hope we keep moving in the right direction.

The republicans likely win the white house in 2024 with anyone other than Trump. I don't like Trump's chances. It's hard to win a general election when you lose the overall vote total by 7 million+, and I really don't see Trump doing better on that front than the last time around.

@PurpleMan5000: Still think its too early. Pay attention to virginia, if the Democrats lose that they are in trouble.

They are all ready in trouble.

At this rate COVID may help balance the numbers due to republican's refusal of the vaccine. It's arguable that Georgia was lost in the 2020 election due to republican voter deaths from COVID.

Maybe they'll all follow the advice of Trump and not vote. That would be a huge win. Keep the cult at home.

I guess to answer the topic question, it seems to me that passing signature legislation doesn't really lead to better results in the midterms. Obama passed the Affordable Care Act, and the republicans did very well immediately after. Trump passed his tax cut, and the democrats did very well. The typical American is not going to see any sort of immediate benefit from the reconciliation bill (though in the long term it absolutely will make a big difference), so it's very possible that passing a contentious bill will be seen as a waste of time and money by the democrats, while failing to be able to pass the bill will be seen as republican obstruction.

@JimB: Nobody asked you

Your Democratic nominee for Governor in Virigina walked off the stage during an interview by a reporter because he could not handle the questions. You didn't ask for this but you are going to get it anyway.

@JimB: I dont care what you think. 99% of what you say is a lie anyway.

@JimB: voting Youngkin, but chances are slim. VA been blue due to DC refugees in NOVA. McAuliffe wasn't even liked when he was the gov back in 2008