Would everyone who said "Best economy ever" unironically please form a line?

They don't want any methods for legal immigration either it seems.

Fixing what is deemed a broken immigration system doesn't necessarily mean more people will in the end be allowed into the country. Granted when your opponents equals letting people who came with their family when they were little kids and know no other country than US as their home staying here with open borders, there isn't much point in having a discussion.

probably depends on what the immigrant looks like and who they worship

So... Russian and Polish immigrants from Europe... Along with Italians and Romanians I think.

"Revenues are up" must be a great thing!

This kind of manipulation is very common and if people would just start understand and questioning numbers more ( I know, I know, math is hard, right? ) we'd all be a lot better off.

Dow Jones highest record ever is 26,828.39 on Oct 3, 2018. Since then it's dropped 4100 points to 22,702.32 ... I'm keeping an eye on it. If it drops to ridiculous levels, I'll consider voting for someone other than Trump, but preferably a pro-American Republican, not an Anti-American Democrat.

1. Democrats fail on basic issues like free speech, nationalism and have this hatred for white people that I can't support.
2. Democrats need to return to how they were during Bill Clinton's time then maybe I'll consider supporting them again.
3. Democrats behavior in the private sector & big tech is extremely anti-free speech, I can't support that.
4. Democrats sympathize with a religion(Islam) that destroyed my country of origin. I can't support that.
5. Democrats have embraced open racism against whites by discriminating against them during the hiring process by giving special privileges to minorities. As a minority, I cannot accept ANY racism, none, zero, not even against white people. My belief in Martin Luther Kings vision is so strong that it even compels me to stick up for white people so they are not discriminated against. Same with Asians, they need to sop being discriminated against by Democrats.

You Democrats are in bed with the globalists. I can't support that. You need to prove you can put America first. DOn't be afraid to piss off other countries. Show that you're not afraid of other countries. Show some balls. If you kiss foreign ass, I won't support you. Learn how to be an asshole and people will respect you. Stop being so nice.

@dreman999: Florida

The private sector does NOT have free speech. Please learn what that term actually means if you're going to throw it around. Also your leader wants to curtail free speech because he doesn't like the reality the media states. You are nothing but a hypocrite.

Nationalism is NOT good. Patriotism....yes. Nationalism.........no.

Democrats do not dislike white people. Just because they recognize white people are not the only ones that exist does not equate to hatred.

The US has freedom of religion. Apparently you pick and choose which freedoms you support.

Actually making sure companies represent the demographic in the community and not deliberately hiring minorities is not a bad thing. But I guess when you're a majority you don't give a damn about anyone else.

The world is a global economy now. Ignoring that is asking to sink behind all other countries.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/dollar-stock-markets-1.4966404

Hey, that's cool

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/jobs-numbers/

So is that. 280,000 manufacturing jobs in 2018. Private sector wages up 69 cents in the same year, highest climb since 2007

If you believe Immigration is under control you must be living under a rock. Especially in border states is there a major problem with social dumping because of illegal immigration.

So yes illegal immigration is indeed what is holding wages back in some industries. And if you look at one of the fastest growing in America, Welders, there is a massive influx of illegal hiring where they not only are moving in and costing legal Americans their job but also causing a major problem with language because many of them do not speak English and are only able to communicate in Spanish.

He's not wrong. Illegal immigration was decreasing under Obama. It has increased under trump. Also most illegal immigration comes from expired visas which no wall will solve. Hell it will help keep them in.

But that is the problem.

Illegal immigration is a major problem and i am glad the GOP is not like the Democrats and goes against what is best for America just to get the votes.

More comedy gold. Do you really think increasing spending and tax cuts are best for America?

I think it´s better than open borders and allowing major social dumping.

But then again that is just me.

Punish the companies as well. Jail time for hiring illegal immigrants. Fine the hell out of those companies for hiring illegal immigrants. The fine should be as a base be what the company has saved through hiring illegal immigrants + something like 35% of that to deter companies from hiring illegal immigrants. It is more than just the immigrant breaking the law when they are working in US.

No one wants open borders so stop with the regurgitated lying talking heads pronouncements.

But then again that is just you.

Well, that is not what the left is saying

Open borders, abolish ICE and allow all illegals permanent stay.

No no they are not saying that.

Even Obama said we need strong borders. Guess that counts for nothing.

He said it in 2005 when it was ok

During his presidency, he never said that.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/6/29/17518176/democrats-to-abolish-ice-movement-gillibrand-de-blasio-ocasio-cortez

Here is a list of Democrats who have signed on so far:

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

It’s unclear whether the calls to abolish ICE would have reached Gillibrand and De Blasio were it not for candidate Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who beat House Democratic Caucus Chair Rep. Joe Crowley in his primary this week. (As the Democratic nominee in a heavily blue district, she’s almost surely headed to the House in the fall.)

Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY)

Gillibrand became the first US senator to publicly call for abolishing ICE during a Thursday interview with CNN’s Chris Cuomo. Gillibrand was responding to a question of whether she would support Ocasio-Cortez’s call to abolish ICE.

“Well, I agree with it. I don’t think ICE today is working as intended,” Gillibrand said. “I believe that it has become a deportation force. And I think you should separate out the criminal justice from the immigration issues.”

New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio

Mayor Bill de Blasio came out with a call to abolish and significantly reform ICE on a Friday segment of WNYC’s The Brian Lehrer Show. Again, De Blasio’s call stemmed from a question Lehrer posed about Ocasio-Cortez’s position on the issue.

Rep. Mark Pocan (D-WI)

Pocan is one of the most prominent progressive Democrats in the House and chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus. He is currently drafting on a bill that would get rid of the agency, while at the same time setting up a commission to look at replacement options.

Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA)

Warren, widely considered another potential 2020 contender for Democrats, said she wants to replace ICE in a Saturday Facebook post announcing her participation in the “Families Belong Together” rallies. She said she was taking part to “speak out against the Trump Administration’s cruel and inhumane zero-tolerance immigration policies.”

@Damedius: And yet they want something in it's place....ie improved. So you're both wrong again.

And that does not mean open borders.

I guess this shows another difference between Republicans and Democrats. You will find more different opinions among Democrats than Republicans.

But also. ICE is one agency trying to protect the border, isn't it? There is also border control and the coast guard, no?

The wall is just a symbol. You have said so yourself. It's gonna be a costly one, and might not be the symbol you want it to be.

Hmm, you could call it a difference, but it´s more a populism trend, Democrats move with the tide of the public opinion.

Yes, ICE is one agency that is upholding immigration laws, they also deal with customs.

The wall is a symbol, but as you see in Israel or in Berlin, a proper wall can work quite well and if you build it in the most populated and vulnerable areas, it will act as a big deterrence and you can limit the border patrols to smaller key areas.

So what I linked is false.

If that's the case I guess I'm wrong, must be fake news.

Conservative vs liberal. What do you expect? :P

How did most people pass the Berlin wall? By air, wasn't it? Aren't most illegal immigrants in US people who flew in and overstay their visa? I would also like to see budget numbers for comparing what it actually cost to have the wall raised and guard it. Dunno if those numbers exist though. Populated places already have a fence, don't they?

They passed it by tunnels, and by hiding in cars and other shit crossing the checkpoints. But from what history said the wall held in the East-Berliners pretty well, not sure though if it also had something to do with the fact that most had a pretty decent life and had no real desire to flee to the west.

As to Israel though, their wall has pretty much closed down on the terrorist attacks and have kept the Palestinians inside their area.

One thing with the wall, people seem to think it should be built on the entire border, that will, of course, be too costly but strategically placed along the most vulnerable areas will limit the areas that need to be patroled.

That's exactly what the Great Wall of China did, and it's widely known as one of the most ineffective boondoggles of all time.

And how long did it take to build that wall?

Also a bad example.

A long time. What's the relevance?

Why?

Relevance? how good is an incomplete wall and also a wall as big as that one?

You are comparing apples and oranges here.

How good was the Berlin wall? that is widely known to have worked pretty well.

This is what I'm saying!