Would the US be better off splitting into two countries?

Politically, culturally, and in terms of core values, Red State America and Blue State America couldn't be more different. No matter who wins the presidential election, half the country feels like it's being ruled by a foreign dictator. Congress is in such a deadlock that it can't get anything done. This country feels like a bad, dysfunctional marriage. We really don't want the same things. Blue states want to be more like socialist Western European countries, and Red State flyover country wants to live in a fascist police state with Christian theocracy and plutocracy. Would we be better off if we just split into two countries? It seems like everyone would be a lot happier.

I have to strongly disagree , yes Red and blue states may vote for seemingly different values but don´t let that fool you because at the core it´s only one value and that is Murica.

So sure it may right now with the far-left and the PC culture feel like two different countries but it´s mostly just a small minority who is the loudest and they do not speak for all of america.

With that said one part would probably be a lot better off as their own country and that is California, that place is so different that i do not see a chance of them ever coming to terms with being part of a America that just grows further away from their ideology, so they should either go on their own or become a part of Mexico.

No, splitting up isn't necessary. Red and blue states have their differences, but not to the point where we would be better off as different countries.

I wouldn't even go as far as saying California is the exception and should split off from the rest of the country. While the majority of California's population may feel that their values do not match the values of the Trump Administration, the people in LA, San Francisco, Berkeley, etc. don't represent the same feelings as people out in other areas of the state that are more red. In fact, if Calexit actually went forward, it wouldn't surprise me if the red areas of the state tried to secede from California so that they could remain part of the US.

While other blue states haven't talked about seceding, the same thing may apply with them in regards to one or two big cities turning the state blue while the rest of the state is red. NYC and Albany are the reason New York State is reliably blue, for example.

I find it preposterous. First off, the US is not as divided as you/we would like to believe. Yeah, of course if you bring up key topics like "trump" or "religion" or "gay marriage" people are going to get all pissy, but for 99.9% of every day stuff that matters we all put our pants on one leg at a time.

With that said, my pride is forcing me to say this: Red states need the Blue states more than Blue states need the red states. That's all I'm going to say about that. California and New York alone could prop up the Democratic Republic Blue State Alliance while the People's Socialist Red State Faction has...Texas? And good luck there, from what I gather those Blue folk are overtaking Texas pretty quick. Insurrection! Coup d'etat!

Yeah pretty much this.

It's just a small group of people, "vocal minority".

Except for the California bit. Dude, have you even been to California? Not like that at all. Not that different.

Not with how politically limited and stupid people are. If our politics expanded the way they should... maybe... it probably wouldnt be a bad idea, but if that was the case there would be no reason to split.

The "foreign dictator" thing is something the loud and stupid minority tend to bring up. The majority of people don't feel this way.

Now, ive lived in..... three swing states, two blue states and three red. And i gotta say.... there's little to no difference between them. In the south they are far more racist, or i should say, its less hidden. But everything else is pretty much the same. Same police types, same people types, same malls, same stores, same colleges, same schools, same libraries, etc. The people overall are pretty much exactly the same.

Hell no.

No. That's just silly.

I say Canada gets the top half and Mexico gets the bottom.

no

@bigfootpart2: I think it would be a good idea, mainly because of rampant climate change denial on the right. Almost all GOP conservatives are hardcore science denying bible thumpers. Then you have a good 70% of GOP constituents that are sympathizers of the KKK/white nationalists/white supremacists to some degree. A good 25% of the GOP are full blown racists, while id say at least 5% are hardcore extremists. These kinds of people honestly think the sniper who killed so many cops is representative of the black lives matter movement. You can't really have functional government when one side is an ideologically equivalent of the taliban/ISIS.

Forget about all the racism and hate, but red states became intolerable ever since their antiscience, pro sucking corporate cock shtick at all costs that they have going on. These hilbillies need to be separated from the rest of the country and they can continue living their backward azz lifestyle by themselves.

I have lived in two different swing states, one more blue and one more red and this is spot on. They are pretty much the same throughout.

Baja California should extend north until the Oregon border. As much as I love the California scenic views, the people there are so far out of reality. Last time I was there many people were wearing "Republic of California" shirts. Wasn't sure what that meant but I'm getting an idea lately.

no, stop listening to the people who are shouting the loudest. they tend to have the worst ideas.

@blaznwiipspman1: You spend most of your post preaching about a stereotype stating that the vast majority of Republicans are openly racist, Bible-thumping science deniers, then you turn around and criticize the GOP for believing that the BLM movement is a bunch of people that want to see police officers murdered. Nevermind that some of them (not all) have openly said they want dead cops during marches.

Don't even let me get started about Antifa attacking people that they assumed were either Trump supporters or Neo-Nazis (who are probably one in the same to some, if not many of them).

Red states may not share your views on certain things, but they have their uses. Most of the farmers in America are in red states, for example, and the big cities still need to get their meat and vegetables from somewhere.

Blue states like California may have farmers as well, but many of them live in areas of the state that went for President Trump last year, and they would probably be fighting to remain in the US if Sacramento fought to secede to defy Trump. Even without Calexit, they have discussed trying to break away from the blue parts of the state and forming what could become the State of Jefferson.

You may want to google what California's state flag looks like.

@perfect_blue: Interesting. That might be what I saw on shirts.

Why only two?

You can devide the whole earth in whatever but there will always be problems! Humans think they are better than animals but act exactly the same exept they have greed added to it.

Going by polling it's the far right culture that doesn't speak for most of America. From Trumps Approval, to approval of his handling of Charlottsville, to climate change, to the "fake news", to public opinion on the DACA, to the handling of Russian interference, to the Wall, to legalizing Cannabis, the list goes on and on. Most Americans do not take the conservative view on these issues.

That appears to be more of a vocal minority.

No. The everyday American is not as polarized as the morons you see on TV.

oooookay so this is a serious question. Shelve the intellectual and political talk for a minute regarding red/blue, liberal/conservative and think practically about this.

California, New York, and other left leaning coastal states may have all the ideas and what not but...

where are they going to get food, or defense? Say what you want about "flyover" or southern states, but that citizenry is the first to enlist and serve the country. They are also the food suppliers of the country.

I knew someone would bring up Trump

But you do know that the Republican Party has the majority and if you look at the 2016 election and not the "popularity poll" right now, which btw does not ask the most important question "Would you vote for Republicans again?"

The country is heavily red with a few blue states

So before you claim the country is against the republicans lets wait for the midterms , and remember the republicans won the special elections.

Also more democrats is up for re-election than republicans so if the trend is correct, the Democratic Party is in for a Slaughter.

Its nearly impossible to not bring him up when he represents the extremist end of the political and social spectrum and this topic of splitting the US, is solely based on extremist concepts and reasoning.

You still don't fully grasp the electoral college and population versus area, do you?

Yes, in terms of land mass there are more red areas, but in terms of population there are almost always more democrats. If we break it down to individual ideas instead of identity, it turns out about 70-75% of the nation (including a lot of people who think they are republican) actually side with what would be considered democratic ideas.

Just like not fully grasping the electoral college, you have not noticed or don't understand, the marry-go-round that is elected democrats and republicans, have you?

And what do you think happens if we address gerrymandering?

Well, that is the problem, sure Trump is a problem for a lot of the left, but the problem is the house not trump.

And the conversation about secssion is not new, California have talked about it prior to Trump winning. Sure it got new wind after Trump but considering the demographic of California , it´s not a bad idea that California went on their own.

Also what are you talking about ? Sure as in terms of population there may be more "democrats" , but we are not talking about a dictatorship, we are talking about democracy and since this is United STATES of America and not Californian leftist Bananrepublic , you need to look at the states.

Of course i have noticed that the balance switchs , but i am willing to bet that this mid-term the republicans will not be kicked out mainly because the left has gotten so out of hand.

Also Gerrymandering is not limited to republicans, the democrats are as inovled in that as any other.

@Jacanuk, nonsense.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/15370/party-affiliation.aspx

For the most part Democrats outnumber Republicans, except for a few minor periods.

But that being said the far right appears to objectively be the vocal minority in most major issues, especially Trump approval.

You are making the same mistake KOD is.

You can´t in a union of states just steamroll the states you do not agree with just because they are not as populated as the few democratic states.

No i'm just letting you know who the actual vocal minority is, as you incorrectly stated.

Again you are claiming something that is not true.

Ýou know this is United States of America right?

You really need to stop with the EC. That doesn't actually speak for what Americans want.

Nor your politicians picking their voters.

Of course it does

But it´s no surprise you would say that since your candidate lost, take a cookie and get over it.

No no it doesn't. It's a skewed system to give the minority more of a say.....it doesn't erase when you lose the popular vote. Thanks for playing. Take a consolation gift on the way out. You were wrong. Again.

Again America is not a single country , it´s a union of states with each states having rights.

So no it´s not skewed and right now no other system than the EC takes all states into consideration.

Each states has the same representation in the Senate. They have representation based on population in the House. They don't need to have it for the presidency. Everyone's voice should matter....it shouldn't be shut for some state with more wildlife than humans.

Well, that is your opinion

I wonder if you would feel the same if the 2 blue states didn't have a higher Liberal population than most other states.

Right now the EC is the best system to allow for all states to have a voice as to who is the president considering the symbolic power and real power he has

Right now the EC is the best system for keeping the US down.

You don't mention the EC at all here.

You were caught and owned. Stop squirming.

The alt-right is the minority in most issues, and republicans are the minority in general. Just look at DACA polling.

Yup sure because Trump won and you hate him.

But luckily you have to live with it for a long time ;)

Again you create your own narrative to fit your delusions.

I do not have to mention that a majority of states voted for Trump, since it´s common knowledge.

NARRATIVE? I simply quoted your FIRST post!

lol...

Is this like that CNN narrative thing again, even though they copy and pasted polling numbers!? Oh lord not again!

NOT THE NARRATIVES!

Yes, you quoted it and created a narrative that fitted into your delusions.

And yes it´s like the CNN where you couldn´t just admit your own spin like always, and if you are independent i am santa.

nah we tried, it didn't go well

Yes, clearly an evil democrat for literally copy and pasting Gallup.

Oh the horror!

Trump is absolutely horrible as a president and only a moron would think he isn't....he's one disaster after another. He doesn't know how to do the job he's clearly unqualified for........

If he makes it the most he has is three years left. Not very long.

No. Despite what the press tries to ram down our throats for ratings, we have far more in common than we don't.

Have you ever read political comments on facebook? The press is not involved.

Are you really trying to claim that the Facebook comments is a representative group of all of America?

lol first time on the internet?