"Sonic and the Black Knight" Discussion Thread

Well seeing as how it appears that "Sonic and the Black Knight" is a confirmed title for the Wii, I figure we might as well start a thread for this game as well. So here's the cover that started it all. (someone please sticky this)

I still look at this like WTF! I mean with "Unleashed" it seemed like Sonic was getting back to what he was supposed to do, running fast through great platforming stages without annoying friends or tedious fetch quests slowing him down with a nice simple plot about Eggman using Chaos emeralds to rip the world apart. Even the questionable werewolf thing looks pretty fun now that we see it in action.

Still, though "Unleashed" is coming to all consoles, it seems that Sega knows there are a lot of Sonic fans in Nintendoland and I couldn't help but wonder if Sonic would see any more Wii exclusive games. "Secret Rings" managed to sell over 1 million units proving that gamers are buying traditional third party Wii games. Even the so-so Mario and Sonic at the Olympics has sold over 5 million units worldwide. Of course Sonic's love among Nintendians shows strongest in him being the most requested character to join Smash Bros. Even going back to the Gamecube days. The cube got the only ports of Sonic Adventure 1 and 2 and even the multiplatform titles sold best and ran the smoothest on the little purple box, so it would be foolish for Sega not to show a little extra love to those Wii owning Sonic fans (especially seeing as how we'd like something other than Animal Crossing City Folk to look forward to)

Not much is known about this right now. Most of us do know it appears to be a spiritual successor to Sonic and the Secret Rings in that Sonic may well again fall asleep reading a book, this time about ancient Camelot or something along those lines and find himself in another storybook world. Though I wonder if we'll have the same insane controls as Secret Rings or something where we can stop more easily.

I think Sonic looks a bit sillly with that one metal gauntlet and sword. It's like someone took a picture of a hand and sword from Soul Calibur and pasted over a picture of Sonic. But we'll have to learn more first. I mean it could end up being really cool like the werewolf thing.

Still, if Sonic is getting Wii exclusive adventures, let's team him up with Mario for an adventure game already.

Still, if Sonic is getting Wii exclusive adventures, let's team him up with Mario for an adventure game already.

kbaily

I have been saying that since the Olympic cross-over.

I had trouble with the brakes on Sonic and the Secret Rings too and you never know that Mario/Sonic game mite work probably sell more then the Olympics one Marios adventures Sonics speed...and yeah I'm waiting for screen shots to I thought Shadow the Hedgehog was ok to even though I'm not really into shooters so who knows!

I have followed Sonic since 1992 and seen some ups and downs and I have a feeling SEGA are just trying to make money out of the Sonic franchise now. I think this could end up like Shadow the Hedgehog I never played and am glad I didn't it was a huge mess by many from what I heard and Sonic using a sword is just putting me off completey.

http://gamekyo.com/news28343_sonic-and-the-black-knight-first-pics.html

http://gamekyo.com/news28362_sonic-and-the-black-knight-more-screens.html

just wodering if any one has seen the screen shots??

I noticed in the article that was posted that Sonic's friends would be playable however it seems like this time the game is giving us the choice if we want to play as them and not forcing us to go back and play as Knuckles, Shadow, etc. That way purists can just play as Sonic if they want. As long as Shadow doesn't touch a gun, Knuckles isn't searching for emeralds and Tails isn't flying like a drunk, I'll be happy.

Gee, I've missed quite a bit. Thanks, summertime laziness.

I always try to remain peculiar regarding Sonic's image, and unlike the Werehog, I actually like the new look. Sega needs to be careful, however, because as it stands now, to some it may look like Sega's desperate to try new things and paint Sonic in a different light each and every time a game's released. '98-'04 was fairly consistent, but then #1: '05, Shadow's emo atmosphere appeared, #2: Sonic meets hoverboard (Why does he need one?), #3: Sonic meets Arabian Nights, #4: Sonic meets tennis, and now we've got an RPG, a Werehog, and a knighted Sonic on the way, all in the course of three years. Odd.

I'm not sure whether to be happy thta Sega caters to their fans by giving us plenty of Sonic content all the time to keep forums like this one going with info and such or whether to complain about them whoring out the franchise.sonicphc

I know, it goes back to the old adage "how can we miss you when you don't go away?" I mean we're getting two games this fall already and another one is coming out in spring? Then again, Mario is constantly on the go. Look at last year alone:

• Super Paper Mario
• Mario Party 8
• Super Mario Strikers Charged
• Mario and Sonic at the Olympics
• Mario Party DS
• Super Mario Galaxy

And that's not counting the rereleases on the virtual console. Since Sonic's always been compared to Mario, it's no surprise that he's trying to keep up. Still with Mario, most of the time he's doing more partying and athletics than actual adventures.

Still given Wii owners like myself would like something else to play this fall and spring besides "Animal Crossing City Folk" so until I see those titles such as Kid Icarus, Zelda, Mario and Pikmin that they said they were working on but haven't seen yet, I'll have to settle for a couple Sonic adventures.

But you're right, it does seem as though Sega is whoring out Sonic a bit too much. But he's still about equal with Mario.

Sonic's 07 games:

• Sonic and the Secret Rings
• Sonic Rush Adventure
• Sonic Rivals 2
• Mario and Sonic at the Olympics

Mario's 08 games:

• Super Smash Bros. Brawl
• Mario Kart Wii
• Mario and Sonic at the Olympics (DS)
• Super Mario Sluggers

Sonic's 08 games:

• Mario and Sonic at the Olympics (DS)
• Sonic Riders: Zero Gravity
• Super Smash Bros. Brawl
• Sega Superstar Tennis
• Sonic Unleashed
• Sonic Chronicles

Well, I'll say that Sonic has had a busy year compared to Mario's often insane lineup from year to year. but a lot of Sonic's games this year weren't actual adventures. SSBB wasn't even made by Sega.

But the Black Night game annoucement did surprise me. I figured Sega would wait and see how "Unleashed" panned out before shoving out another adventure game.

I should have clarified. THey come out with PROPER Mario games much less frequently than they do PROPER Sonic games, and I'm defining "PROPER" here (no idea why I'm capitalizing it) as placing the characters in some variation of their original gameplay element. Thus, I don't count racing, sport, or any other different game with a Mario or Sonic spin in that tabluation of "Sonic comes out a lot more often than Mario." However, it's a good point that Nintendo also seems to slap Mario on everything, so I guess Sonic's actually better off, since he gets more games in his element.sonicphc

Oh, I see. Then you're right. We seem to get some sort of Sonic platforming/adventure type game every year then. Two this year if you count Chronicles as an actual adventure the way the Paper Mario series counts as a proper game then. It is ashame that we don't see more proper Mario games. Really, Mario, a little less sports and partying and a little more koopa stomping. Though in an E3 video, Miyamoto said they were already working on supposedly a sequel to "Mario Galaxy" which was really surprising as it seemed Nintendo was on this kick of only releasing one Mario platformer per console.

They didn't give us any genie rings last time.DocEggmanNega

But if memory serves me right. When the god awful PS3/360 game was released, the first few to buy it at launch got a little Sonic plush. When "Secret Rings" was launched you could get a blue, Sonic wristband.

At least they aren't ripping off gamers by charging an additional $10 from some "special edition" that comes with something like an art book or a figurine or a metal box that ends up scratching the disc. I've never been a fan of "special editions."

I think Sonic shouldn't have a sword. It's kinda sayin' that SEGA's running out of ideas so they threw in a huge sword 2 times the size of Sonic to make the game look better whent he actual story line stinks, like Sonic the Hedgehog (NextGen) and Shadow the Hedgehog.

I think that the warewolf Sonic in Sonic Unleashed should be a different character. Have you seen the pics of him? That would be like the next Shadow or Mephlis. Like (Insert name of character here) the Wolf. That would be better! And the story line for this game doesn't look good just like Sonic and the Black Knight.

I think what they need to come out with is a Shadow the Hedgehog 2. But with better graphics, better story, better gameplay, stuff like that. And this one wouldn't make Shadow curse every time he falls off the side (because it said E10 so a couple of years ago I got it and my mom was I guess watching from behind me one day or I turned the volume up to high and she heard all this cursing so I had to wait a whole year or so to play it. And by then I had better Sonic games).

So that's what I think of Sonic and the Black Knight, Sonic Unleashed, and Shadow the Hedgehog 2 (that might not come out).

I don't get why people are disgusted at Sonic weilding a sword but are perfectly fine with Shadow toting guns and driving cars and using other weapons as I recall. I guess Shadow is "special" or something. I'm rather surprised Sega hasn't shoved out a Shadow 2 game seeing as how despite being tasteless in that it was simply trying to cash in on shock factor and fan service, it sold like crazy. Then again, it would be nice to see a Shadow game, but drop the guns and crap and let him run like he used to in SA2 as well as be able to use his Chaos powers and no more of the tedious fetch quest stuff.

Still Shadow's game mostly tied up loose ends in his story covering through SA2 and Heroes so they'd have to find a new purpose for him. He's pretty much a good guy now (I guess) and working for the government.

Still why not let some of Sonic's other pals get a spinoff game here and there? I mean how about another Knuckles Chaotix or another Tails's Adventure?

I don't get why people are disgusted at Sonic weilding a sword but are perfectly fine with Shadow toting guns and driving cars and using other weapons as I recall. I guess Shadow is "special" or something. I'm rather surprised Sega hasn't shoved out a Shadow 2 game seeing as how despite being tasteless in that it was simply trying to cash in on shock factor and fan service, it sold like crazy. Then again, it would be nice to see a Shadow game, but drop the guns and crap and let him run like he used to in SA2 as well as be able to use his Chaos powers and no more of the tedious fetch quest stuff.

Still Shadow's game mostly tied up loose ends in his story covering through SA2 and Heroes so they'd have to find a new purpose for him. He's pretty much a good guy now (I guess) and working for the government.

Still why not let some of Sonic's other pals get a spinoff game here and there? I mean how about another Knuckles Chaotix or another Tails's Adventure?

kbaily

Hey! I think Shadow could easily beat up any other sonic character. At the same time! He has quick reflexes, Chaos Power (and I heard they're making more Chaos thing besides Control and Blast), guns, and his super kicks ***! And I guess Sonic could have a sword, but not 2 times his size. And I really want a Shadow the Hedgehog 2. But with better graphics, better story, and better gameplay. But it should have guns and crap! That's what makes Shadow Shadow. He's half evil! Every villainin every game has more weapons and stuff. Look at every game you have and tell me i'm wrong. And a Knuckles game might be good but Tails is a wimp. Tails couldn't lift a stick. His tail is the only strong part of him. And Tails sounds like a girl, don't you think? And giving Tails a game is like giving Espio a game. There's no point.

Shadows in the middle half good half evil. I liked him in Sonic Adventure 2 but after Shadow the Hedgehog I didn't like him as much.chocolate1325

Same with me, but I liked Shadow in Sonic the Hedgehog (NextGen). He's what made the game good.

If this is about SATBK then from what I know Knuckles and Shadow are playable characters in the game

Hey! I think Shadow could easily beat up any other sonic character. At the same time! He has quick reflexes, Chaos Power (and I heard they're making more Chaos thing besides Control and Blast), guns, and his super kicks ***! And I guess Sonic could have a sword, but not 2 times his size. And I really want a Shadow the Hedgehog 2. But with better graphics, better story, and better gameplay. But it should have guns and crap! That's what makes Shadow Shadow. He's half evil! Every villainin every game has more weapons and stuff. Look at every game you have and tell me i'm wrong. And a Knuckles game might be good but Tails is a wimp. Tails couldn't lift a stick. His tail is the only strong part of him. And Tails sounds like a girl, don't you think? And giving Tails a game is like giving Espio a game. There's no point.pokemonsos

Knux is the strong one, but Espio is a ninja and there is no beating that.

Shadow used to be evil, now he is just another extra character Sega is forcing down our throats (I'll admit, he is better than most of the other ones like Marine or Big). Shadow can easily be replaced by Knux, since Knux was the original bad guy turned good.

FUN FACT: Shadow was not originally going to exist in SA2, Ashura was (the glitched Sonic from Sonic 2, he is green and has a blach patch on his forehead). I think they changed it to Shadow because Ashura would look too similar.

I am still curious what weapon they will give Shadow.

And giving Tails a game is like giving Espio a game. There's no point.pokemonsos

pokemsos Espio is cool

Tails is lame but hey...He's a sidekick

pokemsos Espio is cool

Tails is lame but hey...He's a sidekick

DarkSmokeNinja

From your post I get that you some 10 year old kid, who unlike the rest of us, doesn't remember the old days and just so you know, Tails has been around longer than any of the other Sonic characters aside from Sonic which is why he has a lot of fans here. Why don't you do yourself a favor. Go pick up either the "Sonic Mega Collection" or download some of the great old school games on the VC or XBL (whatever you have) and learn the roots of one of your favorite series. And don't give me this, "they're old ugly." One day you'll grow up and mature and learn to appriciate where Sonic roots came from. If you were a true fan, you'd appricate all the characters and not just sit around here acting like a fanboy. We have a thread regarding which Sonic friends are fun to play with and who's not. Check it out.

But we're getting off topic so let's get back on the subject of "Sonic and the Black Knight."

I don't think the motion+ thing should be used much in regular gameplay, since you will mainly just be slashing while dashing.

In a multiplayer duel it would be amazing. Only thing is that the characters would have to be slowed down so it can be managable. A 4-player team duel or FFA sword battle would be a great touch as well. If characters had different weapon types (daggers or giant swords), then it would add a bit of startegy. Give Tails some daggers, Big a Claymore, Amy a mace or medival hammer, Espio could return with a katana, and the regular playable characters could have their weapons. If it works like that, the multiplayer could be become just as strong a part of the gameplay (or maybe a stronger part) than the single-player.
There is a lot of over-looked potential for this, and I hope SEGA utilizes every ounce of it.

If there was a motion thing used, it would hopefully be nothing more than a simple flick as was Mario's spin attack in Galaxy. I hope Sega doesn't try to overcomplicate it by having huge slashing moves like say "Soul Calibur Legends." One major issue of "Secret Rings" was Sega was trying to hard to make use of the motion technology. I'll admit it was nice to see a third party get creative with Wii controls in a way that wasn't just a bunch of minigames but at times, it felt too forced.

Also I agree with multiplayer. In "Secret Rings" the party games were a nice distraction and better excecuted than "Sonic Shuffle" but a race mode for that game might have been a better choice. Multiplayer combat could be fun (though I don't think we'll see Espio or the Chaotix team anymore as we haven't seen them since the Olympics) but for God sakes, I'm sick of Sega leaving out online multiplayer in Wii games. The squandered great online multiplayer opportunities in Sonic Riders: Zero Gravity, Sega Superstar Tennis and Mario and Sonic at the Olympics. Honestly I was thinking of getting Sonic Riders:ZG but now that my Wii is online, I don't want to bother with a multiplayer game that doesn't have it. I mean it's not like Sonic Riders is easy to pick up and play and what good is it if I can't race with my Sonicspot pals?

Off topic for a sec...

pokemsos Espio is cool

DarkSmokeNinja

Yeah, I know. He's one of my fav sonic characters

And what I don't get is, why make a ninja pink. I mean, mostly there like black or something. But pink just blows covers. But he's still cool

I am still curious what weapon they will give Shadow

demoman_chaos

They already gave him a weapon no one else has. Guns! And that's what makes Shadow Shadow.

If there was a motion thing used, it would hopefully be nothing more than a simple flick as was Mario's spin attack in Galaxy. I hope Sega doesn't try to overcomplicate it by having huge slashing moves like say "Soul Calibur Legends." One major issue of "Secret Rings" was Sega was trying to hard to make use of the motion technology. I'll admit it was nice to see a third party get creative with Wii controls in a way that wasn't just a bunch of minigames but at times, it felt too forced.

Also I agree with multiplayer. In "Secret Rings" the party games were a nice distraction and better excecuted than "Sonic Shuffle" but a race mode for that game might have been a better choice. Multiplayer combat could be fun (though I don't think we'll see Espio or the Chaotix team anymore as we haven't seen them since the Olympics) but for God sakes, I'm sick of Sega leaving out online multiplayer in Wii games. The squandered great online multiplayer opportunities in Sonic Riders: Zero Gravity, Sega Superstar Tennis and Mario and Sonic at the Olympics. Honestly I was thinking of getting Sonic Riders:ZG but now that my Wii is online, I don't want to bother with a multiplayer game that doesn't have it. I mean it's not like Sonic Riders is easy to pick up and play and what good is it if I can't race with my Sonicspot pals?

kbaily

Exactly! Whatever happened to straight up racing?

I just wonder how the gameplay of Sonic and the black knight will be

In shadow the hedgehog, having shadow use guns was awsome

In this game seeing sonic with a sword will be nice too

But that sword that sonic has looks 3 times his size I wonder if sonic will have a problem lifting that sword